VEXpro 2015 Product line launch

[RonnieS]

Since the launch is tomorrow, how does everyone feel about it and what do you expect? I am hoping for thicker 1x1" for sure. VersaPlans. for a cim and mini cim wouldn't be a bad upgrade either. I haven't seen any details on the time it will be shown or a link; if someone knows let me know please.
-Ronnie

[Michael Hill]

Since the launch is tomorrow, how does everyone feel about it and what do you expect? I am hoping for thicker 1x1" for sure. VersaPlans. for a cim and mini cim wouldn't be a bad upgrade either. I haven't seen any details on the time it will be shown or a link; if someone knows let me know please.
-Ronnie

I'm hoping for more ball shifter gear sizes, GT2 profile VersaPulleys, more durable W-tread, maybe more VersaPulley sizes. A COTS camera mount with pan and tilt would be nice. I hope they keep everything the same with the versaplanetary. I love that whole product line.

Maybe they'll let Aren go nuts and make a Vex swerve system.

[RonnieS]

I'm hoping for more ball shifter gear sizes, GT2 profile VersaPulleys, more durable W-tread, maybe more VersaPulley sizes. A COTS camera mount with pan and tilt would be nice. I hope they keep everything the same with the versaplanetary. I love that whole product line.

Maybe they'll let Aren go nuts and make a Vex swerve system.

The vex swerve....that might be something crazy awesome!

[Boe]

Im personally hoping for some more all in one hex wheels to eliminate the need to use the versahubs.

[Thad House]

I only have 1 wish, and its better WCP shifters. I don't like the ball shifters because of how deep they are in a WCD, and the current WCP shifters have some problems. Mainly, I would like to see a 3 CIM shifter using the 3 CIM SS plates. Great ratios, compact, and a generally nice and simple design. A flat 254 style shifter would be cool too for options, but I'd prefer the other one more.

[Tom Line]

I'm hoping they add an option for a steel shifting shaft for the ball shifter with an improved encoder mounting setup. An electronic shifting module (perhaps using one of the vex pro motors). A passive breakout board for the roboRIO. I'm sure they'll surprise us.

[Andrew Lawrence]

I only have 1 wish, and its better WCP shifters. I don't like the ball shifters because of how deep they are in a WCD, and the current WCP shifters have some problems. Mainly, I would like to see a 3 CIM shifter using the 3 CIM SS plates. Great ratios, compact, and a generally nice and simple design. A flat 254 style shifter would be cool too for options, but I'd prefer the other one more.

Out of curiosity, what problems do you have with the WCP shifters? Also if you tried packaging the 3 CIM DS in SS plates there would be no room for a shifting cylinder with the current setup.

[Aren_Hill]

Guys...

You were supposed to post ideas 8 months ago...:rolleyes:

-Aren

[RonnieS]

Guys...

You were supposed to post ideas 8 months ago...:rolleyes:

-Aren


I am confident you will surprise us ;) What time will it be aired?

[Michael Hill]

Guys...

You were supposed to post ideas 8 months ago...:rolleyes:

-Aren

8 months?!?! We build robots in 6 weeks! Surely professionals can revamp entire product lines in 24 hours, right? :-P

[asid61]

Please... 3/8" hex bore versahubs.
I didn't want these before, but afer dealing with some 3/8" hex in some recent designs, they would be great.
I mean, there's 3/8" hex shaft, bearings, collars, and gears. But no versahubs, which is like the backbone of Vex IMO. It just doesn't logically follow.
Anyway, I can't wait to see the new stuff. Always cool to see all the new stuff.

[Thad House]

Out of curiosity, what problems do you have with the WCP shifters? Also if you tried packaging the 3 CIM DS in SS plates there would be no room for a shifting cylinder with the current setup.

The 3 CIM is too tall, and I don't like the reversal on the 3rd cim. Also I'm not a huge fan of the ratios it works with. A 50t cluster gear would be much better then a 42t cluster gear.

And the cylinder does fit. I cadded it earlier in the summer. It's tight, and it would only work with the vex pancakes they have, but it does fit.

[Nemo]

I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what's new. I hope there's a surprise or two in there.

More gear and sprocket options would never hurt my feelings. Neither would more VersaWheel options.

If we could buy any even numbered 20 DP gear from 12T to 84T, would that be awesome or would it take some of the fun out of gearbox design?

[AdamHeard]

I want a pony.

[AdamHeard]

If we could buy any even numbered 20 DP gear from 12T to 84T, would that be awesome or would it take some of the fun out of gearbox design?

And all the odd ones while they're at it.... And non integers as well!

[Billfred]

Why has nobody mentioned corn dogs in this thread? :rolleyes:

[safiq10]

I want a pony.

They could call Versony!! :yikes:

But im super excited to see what VEX has lined up for this season!

[asid61]

Oooooh on the gear note add some 7075 internal gears to the list. Like 60t, 72t, 84t. With addendum mods to mesh with normal 14.5* 20p gears. That would be like gearbox heaven I swear.

[mrnoble]

Tell me that I can actually buy new talons and victors and I'll be pretty happy. Also game to see some advances in the WCP lineup. We are purposely waiting on some major purchases just to see what Vex does.

[Monochron]

We are purposely waiting on some major purchases just to see what Vex does.

Yep, we are putting in our order tomorrow instead of today in case we want to switch anything around. Now only if Vex's site could keep everything in my cart for longer than a day :/

[saikiranra]

Yep, we are putting in our order tomorrow instead of today in case we want to switch anything around. Now only if Vex's site could keep everything in my cart for longer than a day :/

That might be a chaching issue with your browser, not the VEX site.

[AustinSchuh]

And all the odd ones while they're at it.... And non integers as well!

I know! Every year, I always ask Aren for more sizes.

[JorgeReyes]

I actually just finished cading a 254 style gearbox and was going to discuss making it with the team but just found out about the launch tomorrow. So glad I come on Chief Delphi!

[BigJ]

Aren will unveil mecanums with 75 degree tilt rollers - built for maximum pushing, and anodized black for superior performance

[Joey Milia]

anodized black for superior performance

Ano really does make everything go faster

[Andrew Lawrence]

The Night Before VEXmas

'Twas the night before VEXmas, and all through the world,
not a metal stock was polished, nor burnished, nor knurled.
The credit cards lay on the tables with care,
in hopes that low prices soon would be there.

The students put away their computers and CAD
And dreamt of VEXPro and the fun to be had
And all the team's tools and the number 10 tap
Had all gone to their drawers for a pre-season nap.

When inside Chief Delphi arose such a clatter
I sprang to the web to see what was the matter
From Chrome to the webpage I flew like a flash
And went to the forums, my refresh button mashed

A post, at the top of the general forum
Took only one look and had sent my heart soaring
When what to my engineer's eyes should appear
But the words in the title, "VEXPro finally here!"

With a jerk of my arm I had made my mouse click
Excited to find out what products I'd pick
More rapid than Tumbleweed the page did load
As the names of each product appeared in the code:

"VEX Gearbox!", "VEX Chassis!", "VEX Motor and Piston!"
"VersaFrame!", "VersaBlock!", "New 2-speed transmission!"
"To the top of the pick list!", "Designed by Paul!"
"Does more for less! More for less? More for you all!"

As we wait for game hints, speculation is high
And there’s a sixty inch box in the kit, oh why?
And while down in Greenville, they might not have a clue,
There’s pallets of parts, and cardboard JVNs too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The sound of blue banners, and of many a poof.
As I drew in my head, and was turning around,
In a flash full of swag, EJ came with a bound.

He was covered in corn dogs, from head to the knees,
And as if not enough, he requested more please.
A suite of products he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a peddler, just opening his pack.

His eyes- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry!
And each gearbox package was drawn up with a bow,
As he shuffled ‘round the room - for style, you know?

He dished out the new Victors, each stocking a sheath,
But only after placing a Talon beneath.
He lay down new wheels, and a box full of gears
The sound of the metal was music to my ears!

He brought new electronics, placed them on the shelf,
And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself!
A wink of his eye and as he passed by my mill,
He put down a swerve, made by the Aren Hill.

He spoke not a word, but went back to his work,
And placed some last boxes, then turned with a jerk.
And waving around that famous blue flag,
Disappeared from sight in a flurry of swag!

He sprang to his sleigh, and to his team gave a call,
Then away they rolled out, and I soon missed them all.
But I heard him exclaim, through the night that was freezin’,
"Happy VEXmas to all, and have a great season!"


An original parody poem by Andrew Lawrence and Wasay Anwer.

[JVN]

I want a pony.

You can't get just one pony, it'll be lonely... you need TWO ponies!

[triumph69]

Let's start with linear motion components, lifting solutions and heavier gauge 1x1 versa tubing.

[Andrew Schreiber]

You can't get just one pony, it'll be lonely... you need TWO ponies!

Will VEX be selling hamsters compliant with the 2015 motor rules? More importantly are they organic free range hamsters raised in a cruelty free environment? Can we choose the gender of our vex pro versa hamsters?

[MysterE]

You can't get just one pony, it'll be lonely... you need TWO ponies!

If they are selling ponies then the game will definitely be water polo.

[IndySam]

Don't you people sleep?

[FrankJ]

Don't you people sleep?
No. Do you?

[RonnieS]

Don't you people sleep?

hmmm...Sleep sounds like a fun concept, I wonder how it works?:confused:

[triumph69]

Sleep? That brings another thought to the next vex product, buildblitz themed energy drinks.

[triumph69]

And has anyone heard about what time they are doing their announcement?

[Owen Busler]

The vex homepage just changed... will the new items soon follow?

[Ryan Dognaux]

Why has nobody mentioned corn dogs in this thread? :rolleyes:

Not just Vex brand Corn Dogs which of course you'll be able to purchase in bulk quantities, but the official VexPro Corn Dog Rotisserie Cooker™ will surely be announced as well.

[Arpan]

Darn! 3061 already stocked up on stuff for this season!

Should have seen it coming. Hopefully everything we ordered is still supported.

[nicholsjj]

It would still be nice to know what time the release is set for, or is it just going to be a video release this year? We are really excited to see what VEXPro has to offer.

[RonnieS]

The vex homepage just changed... will the new items soon follow?

What did it change to? It has been like this for a little while now. Unless I am seeing something totally different?
-Ronnie

[Monochron]

Does anyone know if we can edit a Quote that we have already put in before ordering? For instance I recently requested a quote and, while I can still view it on the site, I can't figure out how to remove or add anything to it.
I would rather not have to recreate the entire quote if they add something that I want . . .

[Karthik]

I want a pony.

We'll make sure its hooves have a Versa pattern allowing for simple, robust, and elegant mounting of VersaHorseshoes.

[Arpan]

We'll make sure its hooves have a Versa pattern allowing for simple, robust, and elegant mounting of VersaHorseshoes.

Now introducing : Pony drive ! Capable of conquering even the roughest obstacles, with 2-cim equivalent power!

*Not intended for robot-robot collisions or pushing matches. Costs 399.99 per appendage.

[Steven Smith]

Does anyone know if we can edit a Quote that we have already put in before ordering? For instance I recently requested a quote and, while I can still view it on the site, I can't figure out how to remove or add anything to it.
I would rather not have to recreate the entire quote if they add something that I want . . .

Not sure if this is the right solution of if you already stumbled on it, but if you log in and can view your old quotes and you click order/reorder, it will populate your shopping cart with all the items. Then you can just delete/add items to it and generate a new quote.

If generating a new quote number is a an issue for you, I'd just call the guys at Vex Sales. They have always been prompt at fixing issues like this for me.

[Michael Hill]

We'll make sure its hooves have a Versa pattern allowing for simple, robust, and elegant mounting of VersaHorseshoes.

Are the VersaHorseshoes anodized? This is important.

[MrBasse]

Will VEX be selling hamsters compliant with the 2015 motor rules? More importantly are they organic free range hamsters raised in a cruelty free environment? Can we choose the gender of our vex pro versa hamsters?

I don't know if hamsters would survive the anodizing process...

[Monochron]

Not sure if this is the right solution of if you already stumbled on it, but if you log in and can view your old quotes and you click order/reorder, it will populate your shopping cart with all the items. Then you can just delete/add items to it and generate a new quote.

Awesome, that sounds simple enough. Thanks!

[MrBasse]

I'd like to see faster shipping.
Ordered stuff on the 3rd, not scheduled to deliver until the 19th. I was told it was because of "preparing for Kick Off". Seriously?
This is the first time I've had issues with VexPRO/WCP, but this is ridiculous!
That's weird, I ordered a small order last Thursday evening and had my stuff delivered Monday.

[Arpan]

That's weird, I ordered a small order last Thursday evening and had my stuff delivered Monday.

I recall last build season being pretty bad with delivery times - specifically on the WCP gearboxes.

[IronBenderII]

I've been wearing out my keyboard by hitting F5 on their site all morning...

[mman1506]

Are they having a live stream this year?

[Grant Cox]

I haven't seen any details on the time it will be shown or a link; if someone knows let me know please.

Are they having a live stream this year?

There will be no live event this year. We will be updating our website this evening with the new information, including a few new videos. Keep your eyes peeled on www.vexpro.com for the updates. Trust me - it will be hard to miss :)

Not sure if this is the right solution of if you already stumbled on it, but if you log in and can view your old quotes and you click order/reorder, it will populate your shopping cart with all the items. Then you can just delete/add items to it and generate a new quote.

If generating a new quote number is a an issue for you, I'd just call the guys at Vex Sales. They have always been prompt at fixing issues like this for me.

Monochron and Steven, this is the best way to adjust a quote if you'd like to handle it through our website. Of course, our sales team is also happy to help - you can contact sales [at] vex [dot] com or 903-453-0874 with the quote # and the desired changes.

I'd like to see faster shipping.
Ordered stuff on the 3rd, not scheduled to deliver until the 19th. I was told it was because of "preparing for Kick Off". Seriously?
This is the first time I've had issues with VexPRO/WCP, but this is ridiculous!

Was this ordered through VEX or West Coast Products? We did a search in our system for orders placed around 12/3 shipping to Elk Grove, and there is only one order that looks like it was actually placed through WCP. It shipped on 12/10 - if this is yours and you're still curious, I can PM you a UPS tracking number.

[aldaeron]

There will be no live event this year. We will be updating our website this evening with the new information, including a few new videos. Keep your eyes peeled on www.vexpro.com for the updates. Trust me - it will be hard to miss :)


Thanks for clarifying.

I will now join the masses hitting F5. Kidding, but it would be nice to have a rough ETA (1-2 hour window) when site update goes live (and mass chaos ensues).

[Bob Steele]

I will put a good word in for VexPro shipping.
All of the items that we have ordered this past fall have fully met the shipping expectations from the site. We ordered last week and got the materials Monday.

Looking forward to seeing what they have cooked up for this year....

[R.C.]

I'd like to see faster shipping.
Ordered stuff on the 3rd, not scheduled to deliver until the 19th. I was told it was because of "preparing for Kick Off". Seriously?
This is the first time I've had issues with VexPRO/WCP, but this is ridiculous!

Bill I Pm'd you stuff. Get back to me when you can.

[IronBenderII]

while www.vexpro.com <> updated
do
www.vexpro.com.refresh
sleep 4
done

BTW, just received my 3rd order this month from VexPro. Thanks!!!

[Lil' Lavery]

I thought my work schedule today would keep me away from the VexPro offerings. Apparently I was wrong.


GIMME MY VERSAPONY

[Ben Wolsieffer]

It changed! "Check back later tonight for details!"

[jagoldman]

It has started.

[Thad House]

It changed! "Check back later tonight for details!"

WCProducts is down too.

http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif

[dellagd]

Took a few minutes to write a python program that looks for changes in the site and beep when it happens.

Is a 10 second delay enough to have them not think I'm trying to DDoS the site? :D

[Monochron]

Hhm, they took the whole site down for the new product line? I'm guessing either it is a site remodel or just way more additions than we thought.

[nathannfm]

Hhm, they took the whole site down for the new product line? I'm guessing either it is a site remodel or just way more additions than we thought.

Or they are taking a cue from Apple :P

[TravusCubington]

There is a ONE hour period of the year I am able to buy parts (for tax reasons, obviously) and now the site is down.

Thanks Obama.

[Michael Hill]

Or they are taking a cue from Apple :P

Too bad it's not a live webcast so there can be "one more thing".

[AustinSchuh]

Took a few minutes to write a python program that looks for changes in the site and beep when it happens.

Is a 10 second delay enough to have them not think I'm trying to DDoS the site? :D

while true; do if wget http://www.vexpro.com/ -O /dev/null 2>&1 | grep offline-vexpro; then sleep 10; else echo "New website is up" | mail prosupport@vex.com -s 'vexpro website up'; break; fi; done

[IndySam]

Another good reason to volunteer for the Vex World Championship: a chance to smack Grant and Karthik upside the head for making me wait!

[dellagd]

Its getting a little late in the day for a product line launch, I'm rooting for ya Vex!

[Thad House]

Its getting a little late in the day for a product line launch, I'm rooting for ya Vex!

It's not even 5 PM yet.

[billbo911]

There is a ONE hour period of the year I am able to buy parts (for tax reasons, obviously) and now the site is down.

Thanks Obama.

QFT

[Arpan]

It's not even 5 PM yet.

For you californians. It's 7 here!

[Thad House]

For you californians. It's 7 here!

That hurts. I'm Oregonian...

[Ben Wolsieffer]

For you californians. It's 7 here!

It's 8 here. Good thing I have enough homework to give myself an excuse to stay up waiting for it. :)

[dellagd]

It's not even 5 PM yet.

Aren't they on central time? I though Vex was in Texas (http://www.vexrobotics.com/contact/).

[Monochron]

Aren't they on central time? I though Vex was in Texas (http://www.vexrobotics.com/contact/).

Yeah, I'm not sure what they were going for with the timing of this. Maybe it was unavoidable?

[mklinker]

The product launch must be 12/16/2015.

[Andrew Lawrence]

The product launch must be 12/16/2015.

They're obviously just waiting for 11:14pm.

[RonnieS]

I have just been waiting lol.

[Thad House]

ITS UP

http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/new-for-2015

[Michael Hill]

omgcolsons!

[Thad House]

Somebody had too much time on their hands...

http://i.imgur.com/vRotUqe.jpg


Thats just nuts...

[Justin Montois]

Partnership with Colson is awesome. Also the CIM/MiniCim to planetary is a really cool piece. Like the videos say, it will be cool to see how teams use these going forward.

[dellagd]

Partnership with Colson is awesome. Also the CIM/MiniCim to planetary is a really cool piece. Like the videos say, it will be cool to see how teams use these going forward.

+1 For the Colsons! Well done Vex. You can expect an order soon from us :D

[Hallry]

Somebody had too much time on their hands...
(snip)
Thats just nuts...

So that's what took them so long...

[billbo911]

Are you KIDDING ME???

Excited!!!!

My hat is off again to VEXpro, well done!

[Thad House]

I love the colson wheels, and the VP CIM Mounts. But disappointing in that there is no new drivetrain gearboxes, or any updates to the old ones. I know alot of teams suggested little things that would have been easy to implement.

[cadandcookies]

I'm in love with those Colson wheels. Also the Barrage-in-Versachassis is pretty great.

Yet another year of excellent improvements to the VexPro product line.

[Starke]

Although subtle on the website, Build Blitz 2015 updates have also been posted.

http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/examples-guides/build-blitz-2015/

Way to go VEX Pro!

[Joey1939]

We joked about drilling a hole through the center of a hex shaft to mount the Robot Signal Light on a wheel. Now VexPro has done it (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/hardware/thunderhexstock.html/) for us.

[Ideal_Nerd]

best part is now we can order the talon srx!!!

[dellagd]

Although subtle on the website, Build Blitz 2015 updates have also been posted.

http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/examples-guides/build-blitz-2015/

Way to go VEX Pro!

Wow, I don't think you could've have come up with a better middle-ground of the pros/cons. Once again very awesome!

[Jared]

This is seriously awesome. We get all the great parts from last year, plus more parts!

Thunderhex is also an epic name.

[kaliken]

good stuff...

though i am trying to figure out where this item is.. Looks like a versahub but with male interfaces to the versa pattern!

http://content.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/images/217-4009-Low.jpg

http://content.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/images/217-4009-Low.jpg

[AllenGregoryIV]

good stuff...

though i am trying to figure out where this item is.. Looks like a versahub but with male interfaces to the versa pattern!

http://content.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/images/217-4009-Low.jpg

http://content.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/images/217-4009-Low.jpg

looks to be a plastic hex hub, not bad at only $2.99

http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/motion/wheels-and-hubs/versahubs.html

[Grant Cox]

good stuff...

though i am trying to figure our where this item is.. Looks like a versahub but with male interfaces to the versa pattern!

http://content.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/images/217-4009-Low.jpg

http://content.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/images/217-4009-Low.jpg

That is our new plastic VersaHub, and can be found on the VersaHubs page here: http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/motion/wheels-and-hubs/versahubs.html 217-4009, VersaHub (1/2" Hex, Plastic)

You may have missed it because the image didn't display at launch, but it should be fixed now. Thanks for pointing that out!

[Andrew Lawrence]

Amazing products from VEXPro and WCP aside, I really like what both companies have done with their websites.

[AllenGregoryIV]

That is our new plastic VersaHub, and can be found on the VersaHubs page here: http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/motion/wheels-and-hubs/versahubs.html 217-4009, VersaHub (1/2" Hex, Plastic)

You may have missed it because the image didn't display at launch, but it should be fixed now. Thanks for pointing that out!

Are the holes in that hub the same as on the Colson wheels? Are they designed for mounting or something else?

[Monochron]

Is that ThunderHex a Vex invention, or is that design more common than I realize. I was planning on buying a bunch of Hex stock and bearings from them . . . but now I need to consider this stuff as well.

[Aren_Hill]

Are the holes in that hub the same as on the Colson wheels? Are they designed for mounting or something else?

Those holes are just to make them moldable, feel free to use them for other things. :rolleyes:

[ttldomination]

Is that ThunderHex a Vex invention, or is that design more common than I realize. I was planning on buying a bunch of Hex stock and bearings from them . . . but now I need to consider this stuff as well.

It's a common practice that a few teams use to avoid the headaches of tight hex bearings. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-69412.html)

But good on VEX to pass on that relief to the rest of the community.

- Sunny G.

[ttldomination]

Those holes are just to make them moldable, feel free to use them for other things. :rolleyes:

I can't seem to find the drawings for the new plastic hub, but is there a way to use colsons with dead axles?

- Sunny G.

[Michael Hill]

I can't seem to find the drawings for the new plastic hub, but is there a way to use colsons with dead axles?

- Sunny G.

These have been available since at least last year: http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/motion/wheels-and-hubs/colsonhubs-g.html

[Thad House]

In most of the pages, alot of the links to the individual parts give 404 errors. Specifically I'm looking at the ones in the WCP gearboxes, but I see a few others as well.

[kaliken]

That is our new plastic VersaHub, and can be found on the VersaHubs page here: http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/motion/wheels-and-hubs/versahubs.html 217-4009, VersaHub (1/2" Hex, Plastic)

You may have missed it because the image didn't display at launch, but it should be fixed now. Thanks for pointing that out!

thanks found it... bummer no STEP file.. awww... hopefully soon!

[Peyton Yeung]

I wonder how well the new mecanum wheels will hold up under competition use.

[AllenGregoryIV]

1/2" Hex coupler (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/all/new-for-2015/217-4009.html) is also new, I missed this the first time through.

Does it use 8-32 or 4-40s? The product page seems to list both.

This would have been nice this year, we have two couplers where the hex shaft has spun in them and pretty much are never coming apart now.

Also they are selling wire (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/all/new-for-2015/siliconewire.html) now.

[orangemoore]

I wonder how well the new mecanum wheels will hold up under competition use.

Edit: Nevermind, I figured out what was different.

[donkehote]

What happened to the Robot Direction arrow Paul Copioli talked about at waterloo? It was so teams don't forget which end goes forward in auto. Link of the idea here.

http://youtu.be/94UGXIq6jUA?t=4m11s

[Mike Marandola]

1/2" Hex coupler (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/all/new-for-2015/217-4009.html) is also new, I missed this the first time through.

Does it use 8-32 or 4-40s? The product page seems to list both.

This would have been nice this year, we have two couplers where the hex shaft has spun in them and pretty much are never coming apart now.

Also they are selling wire (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/all/new-for-2015/siliconewire.html) now.

I think the 4-40s are a typo. The drawing lists 8-32s.

[asid61]

1.625" Colsons with a 1/2" hex bore. And 2.5" colsons too.
It's like a dream come true. Time to update some CAD files.

[Nemo]

I'm liking this new stuff. Well done.

[Grant Cox]

I can't seem to find the drawings for the new plastic hub, but is there a way to use colsons with dead axles?

- Sunny G.

Any products that didn't include CAD files or drawings (where applicable) will be updated in the next day or two. But since you brought it up... the plastic VersaHub drawing and CAD file have been added :)

In most of the pages, alot of the links to the individual parts give 404 errors. Specifically I'm looking at the ones in the WCP gearboxes, but I see a few others as well.

Many of these links did not get updated in time for launch to coincide with our improved product organization. Rest assured - they will be cleaned up soon.

1/2" Hex coupler (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/all/new-for-2015/217-4009.html) is also new, I missed this the first time through.

Does it use 8-32 or 4-40s? The product page seems to list both.

I think the 4-40s are a typo. The drawing lists 8-32s.

Those are actually #4-40 x 0.375 socket head bolts. Drawing will be updated shortly - sorry for the confusion.

[Monochron]

Anyone know if we need to do separate orders for the new motor controllers in order to have any other parts delivered on time?

I ask because Andy Mark's site recommends that you put SPs/SRX's in a different order than you would other materials.

[Andrew Lawrence]

Just realized WCP has some cool new things as well specifically on their website:

-GT2 timing pullies for RS/BAG motors
-32 DP gears for both RS/BAG motors and 3/8" hex bore
-Pneumatic solenoid and manifold setups


Definitely Looking Forward to using the 32 DP gears on intakes and other smaller gearboxes.

[nathannfm]

Wow, some great products here, any official word on the steel shifter shafts for the ball shifters, this has been hinted at a couple of times but I see no mention of it today...

Also, any chance we can get some official weights (and ETAs) on the new colsons, thats what should make them more appealing.

[mman1506]

-GT2 timing pullies for RS/BAG motors
-32 DP gears for both RS/BAG motors and 3/8" hex bore






Please tell me these will be available on Vex Pro Canada. WCP shipping to canada is insanely pricey

[Thad House]

I notice the 7:1 and 9:1 VP reductions are back in stock. Have the issues with them been fixed?

[R.C.]

Please tell me these will be available on Vex Pro Canada. WCP shipping to canada is insanely pricey

These won't be but if you email us we can ship usps so it's much cheaper.

[sanddrag]

If only we could get Colsons with a 3/8" round bore, to remachine for 7/16" hex. Well, there's always next year to hope for....

[Aren_Hill]

I notice the 7:1 and 9:1 VP reductions are back in stock. Have the issues with them been fixed?

Yes, these have actually been back in stock for awhile now.

-Aren

[mrnoble]

I'm not able to access the WCP gearboxes, either on VexPro or the WCP website (which is down). Anyone know when we might be able to place orders on gearboxes?

Just put in my order for the new Talons. We will be evaluating the other stuff over the next few days, but we just couldn't wait on the motor controllers and risk having them sell out.

THOSE COLSONS! Oh man, when those become available you better believe we will snatch those up.

Thanks to everyone at Vex for the fab new products. Well done, again.
:D :D :D

[mman1506]

These won't be but if you email us we can ship usps so it's much cheaper.

Great, Thanks

[R.C.]

I'm not able to access the WCP gearboxes, either on VexPro or the WCP website (which is down). Anyone know when we might be able to place orders on gearboxes?

Just put in my order for the new Talons. We will be evaluating the other stuff over the next few days, but we just couldn't wait on the motor controllers and risk having them sell out.

THOSE COLSONS! Oh man, when those become available you better believe we will snatch those up.

Thanks to everyone at Vex for the fab new products. Well done, again.
:D :D :D

Site should be up:

http://www.isup.me/wcproducts.net

Might have to clear your cache.

[R.C.]

If only we could get Colsons with a 3/8" round bore, to remachine for 7/16" hex. Well, there's always next year to hope for....

David,

At this point in time why don't you just switch to ThunderHex? As it functionally does the same as 7/16 the way you have it setup.

[Kevin Kolodziej]

New products are looking good, but I have a few questions:

1. Will the new products also be available through therobotspace.com? No sign of any updates on their website yet.

2. The concept of the Thunderhex shaft is great, but is the entire shaft hollow? Have you done any bending tests on it? I suspect there will be many bent axles as teams push these axles further out in cantilevered designs with wider wheel options.

3. The lower cost, and presumably lighter, plastic Versablock is a great new addition, but there is a lack of information about it currently. Does it also feature the 1/16" offset to allow for easy creation of a dropped center drive? Is it still intended to be used with the WCP Cam? The notches on the edges are gone. Does the 1+2 bolt configuration provide sufficient clamping to prevent twisting when under tension from a belt or chain?

Thanks for the feedback and continual dedication to improving the competition.

[mrnoble]

Site should be up:

http://www.isup.me/wcproducts.net

Might have to clear your cache.

yup. that did it. :o

[Jacob Bendicksen]

Is this a game hint that I see at the bottom of the New for 2015 (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/new-for-2015) page? :p

Whether you’ve found a new VersaPlanetary add-on concept, need 12” mecanum wheels to complete your design, or want to show us how you used 0.040” VersaFrame to hang from a truss, we can’t wait to hear from you!

(emphasis added)

[AdamHeard]

2. The concept of the Thunderhex shaft is great, but is the entire shaft hollow? Have you done any bending tests on it? I suspect there will be many bent axles as teams push these axles further out in cantilevered designs with wider wheel options.

Modeling a round tube conservatively at .5x.201 I get 97.4% the bending stength.

[Whippet]

Is this a game hint that I see at the bottom of the New for 2015 (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/new-for-2015) page? :p



(emphasis added)

SECRET ENDGAME CONFIRMED

[sanddrag]

David,

At this point in time why don't you just switch to ThunderHex? As it functionally does the same as 7/16 the way you have it setup.I'll take my axles without a hole through them, and my R8-2RS bearings are 1/3 the cost of a "Thunderhex" bearing, and are an industry-standard size. ;-)

[JesseK]

Couple of notes after watching a couple of videos:
Holy crap, they just took the least expensive COTS wheel setup in FRC and found a way to make it less expensive I like that there are way more examples of VersaFrame usage in the marketing material than last year The new CIM mounts (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/all/new-for-2015/217-4156.html) are my #1 pick for new innovative "thing" so far this year - the precision gear alignment while maintaining flexibility and modularity is pretty insane

Now onward to cost/benefit and "bleeding edge tech" risk analyses :D

Thanks for the new products VEX!

[Breakaway3937]

All I have to say is who needs a machine shop! Way to go VEX. So many teams are going to benefit from these configurable parts. Outstanding imagination and innovation!

[Jared Russell]

The VersaFrame/Planetary/Chassis products have really expanded into a well-designed and flexible parts ecosystem, all at a fraction of the cost (not to mention weight) of industrial COTS framing systems. Teams would be wise to take advantage of it.

[FrankJ]

New products are looking good, but I have a few questions:
...

3. The lower cost, and presumably lighter, plastic Versablock is a great new addition, but there is a lack of information about it currently. Does it also feature the 1/16" offset to allow for easy creation of a dropped center drive? Is it still intended to be used with the WCP Cam? The notches on the edges are gone. Does the 1+2 bolt configuration provide sufficient clamping to prevent twisting when under tension from a belt or chain?
...
competition.

From the cad model, it looks like about .079" from centerline. That gives you .15" total drop

Material at the center of a shaft gives very strength in bending or torque. That is why things like drive shafts & airplane wings are often hollow.

[Monochron]

To any Vex employees:

If we are ordering new Talons or Victors, should we put in a separate order for additional parts if we want to have the additional parts delivered quickly? I know the Victors/Talons aren't shipping immediately I don't want the rest of my order waiting for them :yikes:

I ask because Andy Mark's site recommends that you put SPs/SRX's in a different order than you would other materials.

[AdamHeard]

I'll take my axles without a hole through them, and my R8-2RS bearings are 1/3 the cost of a "Thunderhex" bearing, and are an industry-standard size. ;-)

The hole barely weakens the shaft...

[Mr V]

I like the new Thunderhex except for the hole in the middle. We usually use a #10 bolt in the end of shafts to retain wheels ect.

[nathannfm]

I like the new Thunderhex except for the hole in the middle. We usually use a #10 bolt in the end of shafts to retain wheels ect.

While a bit annoying you could tap it for 1/4-20 instead

[AllenGregoryIV]

I like the new Thunderhex except for the hole in the middle. We usually use a #10 bolt in the end of shafts to retain wheels ect.

I imagine the #10 clearance hole can be tapped to 1/4-20 and now you could run a #10 bolt all the way through the shaft as well if you wanted.

I am huge fan of the hole in the middle. Thunderhex can replace the AM Churro tubes in a lot of standoff and spacer applications.

[Clinton Bolinger]

New products are looking good, but I have a few questions:

1. Will the new products also be available through therobotspace.com? No sign of any updates on their website yet.


The Robot Space will be updating our web site over the next week. We have already placed our 2015 Stocking order and should have everything in prior to Kickoff.

Please follow us on Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/TheRobotSpace) and FB (http://www.facebook.com/TheRobotSpace) for updates.

Thanks,
Clinton

[BrendanB]

Anyone from Vex able to comment on the weight savings of the new Colsons compared to the previous live axle hub assembly teams used last year more specifically on the 4 x 1 1/2 wheels?

[Lil' Lavery]

Any word on the timing of the availability of Thunderhex? We have been toying with the idea of hex for a while, and this solves some of our concerns. However, it's certainly not worth it for this season if we're not going to receive the shaft and/or bearings after week 2.

[Mr V]

While a bit annoying you could tap it for 1/4-20 instead

I imagine the #10 clearance hole can be tapped to 1/4-20 and now you could run a #10 bolt all the way through the shaft as well if you wanted.

I am huge fan of the hole in the middle. Thunderhex can replace the AM Churro tubes in a lot of standoff and spacer applications.

Yup we will just have to switch to 1/4-20, if our coach decides to buy some. The bolt all the way through isn't practical for a lot of our applications, we would need to stock a number of different fairly long lengths. The other issue is that I like having the "other" end of the shaft retained which would not happen with a through bolt.

For stand offs where we do run a through bolt it will be convient but in many of those applications we still did the tap both ends for #10 so that one side, again so that one side will be retained when doing repairs.

I'm not against the hole in the middle, in fact I think it is great as it will help teams that don't have a lathe. I'd just prefer that it was sized to tap for #10 or for a #10 thread forming bolt, since that is what we use everywhere and we haven't used 1/4-20 in a while.

[s_forbes]

The VersaFrame/Planetary/Chassis products have really expanded into a well-designed and flexible parts ecosystem, all at a fraction of the cost (not to mention weight) of industrial COTS framing systems. Teams would be wise to take advantage of it.

No kidding! I almost don't want to design/machine any custom parts this season, this looks way more efficient. The new gearboxes and brackets that integrate into the VersaFrame really round out the system. Very clever stuff.

Is there a planned abundance of the VersaFrame stock tubing this year? I recall the shortage last year, and expect these things to start flying off the shelves after more teams realize how useful they are.

[AdamHeard]

Yup we will just have to switch to 1/4-20, if our coach decides to buy some. The bolt all the way through isn't practical for a lot of our applications, we would need to stock a number of different fairly long lengths. The other issue is that I like having the "other" end of the shaft retained which would not happen with a through bolt.

For stand offs where we do run a through bolt it will be convient but in many of those applications we still did the tap both ends for #10 so that one side, again so that one side will be retained when doing repairs.

I'm not against the hole in the middle, in fact I think it is great as it will help teams that don't have a lathe. I'd just prefer that it was sized to tap for #10 or for a #10 thread forming bolt, since that is what we use everywhere and we haven't used 1/4-20 in a while.

I'm Mr #10. It's my favorite fastener, and we've used it forever.

That being said, the more COTS teams are in 1/4-20 land. This makes sense.

Being Mr #10, I'm STOKED about the hole as we'd never use a bolt to retain the items on a shaft... but these will make great heavy duty standoffs with the hole already drilled.

ThunderHex is my favorite new product, and I think they did it perfectly. Now time for 3/8" thunderhex next year ;)

[AustinSchuh]

-GT2 timing pullies for RS/BAG motors


shh You are letting the cat out of the bag. Now I really need to get an order out for those before they sell out...

[Nemo]

I'm Mr #10. It's my favorite fastener, and we've used it forever.

That being said, the more COTS teams are in 1/4-20 land. This makes sense.

Being Mr #10, I'm STOKED about the hole as we'd never use a bolt to retain the items on a shaft... but these will make great heavy duty standoffs with the hole already drilled.

ThunderHex is my favorite new product, and I think they did it perfectly. Now time for 3/8" thunderhex next year ;)

I'm glad other people also have nerdy feelings for their fasteners.

Those heavy duty standoffs could also be dead axles used with ThunderHex bearings. That could be pretty sweet in some situations.

[Mr V]

I'm Mr #10. It's my favorite fastener, and we've used it forever.

That being said, the more COTS teams are in 1/4-20 land. This makes sense.

Being Mr #10, I'm STOKED about the hole as we'd never use a bolt to retain the items on a shaft... but these will make great heavy duty standoffs with the hole already drilled.

ThunderHex is my favorite new product, and I think they did it perfectly. Now time for 3/8" thunderhex next year ;)

I'm curious as to why you'd never use a bolt to retain items on the end of a shaft? A big reason is that it is easier to get students competent in using a bolt and Allen wrench that using snap rings and e-clips. It is also easier to get students competent in tapping the end of a shaft than cutting a groove for an e-clip or snap ring on the lathe. I don't like shaft collars because they are more expensive to purchase and add length/width that you don't need with a bolt in the end.

I'm also not a big fan of the though hole for stand offs and prefer a bolt in each end. If you have to remove what ever the stand off is holding you often just need to remove one side. So if one side is still bolted then you just place the removed piece back on and bolt it on. With a through bolt the stand offs are then loose and you have to put align them all when putting it back in place and you need two tools to reassemble. Yes during initial assembly you'll need two tools but in repairs during the heat of competition putting a bolt back in one side is quicker.

[AllenGregoryIV]

I'm also not a big fan of the though hole for stand offs and prefer a bolt in each end. If you have to remove what ever the stand off is holding you often just need to remove one side. So if one side is still bolted then you just place the removed piece back on and bolt it on. With a through bolt the stand offs are then loose and you have to put align them all when putting it back in place and you need two tools to reassemble. Yes during initial assembly you'll need two tools but in repairs during the heat of competition putting a bolt back in one side is quicker.

When you bolt all the way through a spacer you're able to make a much stiffer assembly since you can preload the bolt.

Here is a good description the concept (http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-your-Everything-Really-Really-Fast/step10/Joining-Parallel-Plates-Preloaded-Spacers/).

You're right that a bolt on each end is often more convenient and it really just depends on what your goals are.

[AdamHeard]

I'm curious as to why you'd never use a bolt to retain items on the end of a shaft? A big reason is that it is easier to get students competent in using a bolt and Allen wrench that using snap rings and e-clips. It is also easier to get students competent in tapping the end of a shaft than cutting a groove for an e-clip or snap ring on the lathe. I don't like shaft collars because they are more expensive to purchase and add length/width that you don't need with a bolt in the end.

We have no issues teaching kids to do either of these... It's standard practice on our team and kids do both all the time.

I'm also not a big fan of the though hole for stand offs and prefer a bolt in each end. If you have to remove what ever the stand off is holding you often just need to remove one side. So if one side is still bolted then you just place the removed piece back on and bolt it on. With a through bolt the stand offs are then loose and you have to put align them all when putting it back in place and you need two tools to reassemble. Yes during initial assembly you'll need two tools but in repairs during the heat of competition putting a bolt back in one side is quicker.

We like through hole for high load standoffs, and using a nut. The chance of stripping aluminum threads out, or wearing them out through reuse, bugs us. I know that's not the greatest reasoning. Also, it's usually easier for really buried things to get a wrench in from the side on the nut, rather than a tool in on a bolt head.

You also get better clamping force, and to be honest I like reducing the number of tapped holes as, "Aint nobody got time for that" when you build in the qty we do.

Vex clearly is supporting 1/4-20 as they had to pick a size... I totally agree with that decision for the kind of teams that need this stuff most.

[Taylor]

Sorry, uninformed NEM question here:
What does the ThunderHex do that Churro doesn't? I see that the aluminum is 7075 rather than 6005, which I presume makes it stiffer. But why is it 2x the price? Is that just the nature of the alloy?

[s_forbes]

(meandering a bit off topic)

Modeling a round tube conservatively at .5x.201 I get 97.4% the bending stength.

For those curious why the hole makes little difference to the bending strength, check out the list of second moment area of inertias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_area_moments_of_inertia) for different shapes. For two axles of the same diameter, the second moment area of inertia is proportional to the amount of bending load it can withstand. The r^4 term is what makes the small hole have little effect on the bending strength of the axle.

My napkin calculations put the ThunderHex axle (with the hole) at about 46% stronger (in bending) than a solid 7/16" hex shaft of the same material.

[Mr V]

We have no issues teaching kids to do either of these... It's standard practice on our team and kids do both all the time.


I guess it must be the students on our team but we don't haven't had that many that are interested in using the lathe let alone becoming competent in using it. We do however typically have one student that quickly decides it is his or her favorite machine and does become quite competent. Of course when you need something right now that student seems to be absent that day.

[FrankJ]

Sorry, uninformed NEM question here:
What does the ThunderHex do that Churro doesn't? I see that the aluminum is 7075 rather than 6005, which I presume makes it stiffer. But why is it 2x the price? Is that just the nature of the alloy?

As far as stiffness goes, All aluminum has pretty much the same stiffness. Stiffness is based on Young's modulus, shape & doesn't change much with alloying & heat treatment. Strength is a completely different story.

The concern I would have would be the difference in torque transfer of a rounded off hex & would the shape spin in a round bearing, making it a bushing. I have not looked very closely at this so it is just a concern, not an known issue.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Sorry, uninformed NEM question here:
What does the ThunderHex do that Churro doesn't? I see that the aluminum is 7075 rather than 6005, which I presume makes it stiffer. But why is it 2x the price? Is that just the nature of the alloy?

Churro tubes aren't designed to be used as axles. I've seen a few teams do it but they often bend them. Thunderhex has the strength of the VEXpro hex shaft but also have the through-hole and rounded corners to be used in a specific round bearing (13mm).

We used VEXpro tube axles last year for through-bolted spacers and Churro tubes for tapped standoffs. A few times we had to drill and tap hex shaft when the churro tubes weren't strong enough for our application. The thunderhex should fix this. We can also use #10 through bolts with the Thunderhex and since we are also a #!0 team that will make some things easier.

[Taylor]

Churro tubes aren't designed to be used as axles. I've seen a few teams do it but they often bend them. Thunderhex has the strength of the VEXpro hex shaft but also have the through-hole and rounded corners to be used in a specific round bearing (13mm).

Cool. What about it gives it the added strength? Is it the cross-section geometry? The alloy? The black anodizing?

[AllenGregoryIV]

Cool. What about it gives it the added strength? Is it the cross-section geometry? The alloy? The black anodizing?

The alloy, 7705 is a zinc alloy and in general 7xxx series aluminum (zinc alloys) will be stronger than the 6xxx series which are magnesium - silicon alloys.

[Monochron]

To any Vex employees:

If we are ordering new Talons or Victors, should we put in a separate order for additional parts if we want to have the additional parts delivered quickly? I know the Victors/Talons aren't shipping immediately I don't want the rest of my order waiting for them. :yikes:

I ask because Andy Mark's site recommends that you put SPs/SRX's in a different order than you would other materials.

[RonnieS]

What are people getting more of, talons or victors? I'm going to assume mostly victors because of the price but I could be wrong. Also, what helped you decide what to get.
-Ronnie

[Joey Milia]

Cool. What about it gives it the added strength? Is it the cross-section geometry? The alloy? The black anodizing?

It's definitely the black ano!

No jk. It's mostly the alloy. 7075 has over twice the tensile strength of 6005. (Based off of strengths I found here http://alcobrametals.com/guides/aluminum) I think the cross-section of the thunderhex is also stronger but that probably has a smaller impact than the alloy.

(And Allen beat me to it...)

[AllenGregoryIV]

To any Vex employees:

If we are ordering new Talons or Victors, should we put in a separate order for additional parts if we want to have the additional parts delivered quickly? I know the Victors/Talons aren't shipping immediately I don't want the rest of my order waiting for them. :yikes:

I ask because Andy Mark's site recommends that you put SPs/SRX's in a different order than you would other materials.

You probably should just call VEX sales, instead of reposting the same thing. They will help you out.

[Andrew Lawrence]

What are people getting more of, talons or victors? I'm going to assume mostly victors because of the price but I could be wrong. Also, what helped you decide what to get.
-Ronnie

The Talon SRX and the Victor SP are mostly the same product - they were designed in tandem by CTR and VEX. The only difference is that the Talon SRX is CAN capable, whereas the Victor SP only uses PWM. As a result the Talon SRX is negligibly larger, and costs about $20 more. For those who do not use CAN in their electronics, the Victor SP is probably their best bet, saving them $20 per controller, and for those who do use CAN, the Talon SRX is a godsend compared to the Jaguar, and well worth the money.

EDIT: Michael Hill covers some aspects of the Talon SRX that I had missed earlier in his post right after mine.

[Michael Hill]

The Talon SRX and the Victor SP are mostly the same product - they were designed in tandem by CTR and VEX. The only difference is that the Talon SRX is CAN capable, whereas the Victor SP only uses PWM. As a result the Talon SRX is negligibly larger, and costs about $20 more. For those who do not use CAN in their electronics, the Victor SP is probably their best bet, saving them $20 per controller, and for those who do use CAN, the Talon SRX is a godsend compared to the Jaguar, and well worth the money.

The SRX also has SPI, USART, and on-board closed-loop PID control

[Andrew Lawrence]

The SRX also has SPI, USART, and on-board closed-loop PID control

I was unaware. You learn something new every day. Thank you for the additional info, Michael.

[Monochron]

I was unaware. You learn something new every day. Thank you for the additional info, Michael.

As well as a master-slave mode that the Victor doesn't.

[craigboez]

Regarding the new 1/2" hex VersaHub, is the new one just smaller and lighter and less expensive or is there something more meaningfully different?

PN 217-4009 - new product
PN 217-2592 - older product
http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/motion/wheels-and-hubs/versahubs.html

If I recall, on the old ones the hex was not consistently clocked relative to the bolt pattern, so it wasn't possible to use two of them on one wheel. Instead you'd need to use one plus a hex bearing held in place with screws. I'm hoping this is what is different and the new ones, so that two can be used on a wheel and the hex flats all line up.

[thatprogrammer]

Hmm... do I spy a barrage? :rolleyes:

[AllenGregoryIV]

Regarding the new 1/2" hex VersaHub, is the new one just smaller and lighter and less expensive or is there something more meaningfully different?

PN 217-4009 - new product
PN 217-2592 - older product
http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/motion/wheels-and-hubs/versahubs.html

If I recall, on the old ones the hex was not consistently clocked relative to the bolt pattern, so it wasn't possible to use two of them on one wheel. Instead you'd need to use one plus a hex bearing held in place with screws. I'm hoping this is what is different and the new ones, so that two can be used on a wheel and the hex flats all line up.

The new one is plastic so it's designed for lighter duty applications. At one point VEX started making all their Hex hubs aligned to the versakeys and I'm betting they still are, the plastic ones will definitely be aligned since they are molded. At one point they had to rotary broach some of their plain bore hubs to meet demand and those weren't aligned.

[craigboez]

The new one is plastic so it's designed for lighter duty applications.

I guess I didn't look close enough. Never having purchased one I assumed all of these were plastic.

There does not appear to be a "light duty" designation for the plastic hub. Do you have any information on it's limitations? I'm wondering if using a pair of these on a 4" Traction Wheel would be an acceptable setup for a drivetrain.

[Andrew Lawrence]

I guess I didn't look close enough. Never having purchased one I assumed all of these were plastic.

There does not appear to be a "light duty" designation for the plastic hub. Do you have any information on it's limitations? I'm wondering if using a pair of these on a 4" Traction Wheel would be an acceptable setup for a drivetrain.

I would say that the original aluminum would be better for drivetrain and other high load applications. These new plastic ones would work well in things like intakes where there isn't a lot of torque trying to break the hub apart.

[tim-tim]

You can always tap for a #10-32 heli-coil, threaded insert. I'm a #10 and #8 guy. If I had to use 1/4", it would be 1/4-28.

I'm Mr #10. It's my favorite fastener, and we've used it forever.

That being said, the more COTS teams are in 1/4-20 land. This makes sense.

Being Mr #10, I'm STOKED about the hole as we'd never use a bolt to retain the items on a shaft... but these will make great heavy duty standoffs with the hole already drilled.

ThunderHex is my favorite new product, and I think they did it perfectly. Now time for 3/8" thunderhex next year ;)

[AllenGregoryIV]

You can always tap for a #10-32 heli-coil, threaded insert. I'm a #10 and #8 guy. If I had to use 1/4", it would be 1/4-28.

Why the fine threads?

[Lil' Lavery]

I would say that the original aluminum would be better for drivetrain and other high load applications. These new plastic ones would work well in things like intakes where there isn't a lot of torque trying to break the hub apart.

Personally, I'd be less worried about breaking the hub apart and more worried about gradual wear along the corners of the hubs leading to backlash.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Personally, I'd be less worried about breaking the hub apart and more worried about gradual wear along the corners of the hubs leading to backlash.

I agree, that is likely to be the first sign of a problem with these hubs. We used some .09 5052 versa hex hub stand ins on our practice bot and for part of an event on our competition bot and we rounded some of the corners and started getting a lot of backlash.

[Mike Marandola]

I agree, that is likely to be the first sign of a problem with these hubs. We used some .09 5052 versa hex hub stand ins on our practice bot and for part of an event on our competition bot and we rounded some of the corners and started getting a lot of backlash.

If that is the case, I would assume that it could be a problem on the colsons with the molded hex hubs as well.

[AllenGregoryIV]

If that is the case, I would assume that it could be a problem on the colsons with the molded hex hubs as well.

I'm confident that VEX did their testing. I was just saying that I would think that would be the initial failure mode over completely breaking the hub. I could also be very wrong.

[tim-tim]

Why the fine threads?

Just a habit of working on aircraft. The robots are vibration machines, so any little advantage to screws backing-out I will take. We have quite a few fastener stores in the area, so access to fine thread fasteners is not an issue.

That being said, we haven't used a 1/4" fastener on the robot in quite sometime - maybe a COTS component that required. We have used #10 rivet nuts in 1/4" holes in the past in the KOP frames.

[asid61]

Just a habit of working on aircraft. The robots are vibration machines, so any little advantage to screws backing-out I will take. We have quite a few fastener stores in the area, so access to fine thread fasteners is not an issue.

That being said, we haven't used a 1/4" fastener on the robot in quite sometime - maybe a COTS component that required. We have used #10 rivet nuts in 1/4" holes in the past in the KOP frames.

An advantage to 1/4"-20 is that more teams that I know of stock it over 1/4"-28. Something to consider as well.
I don't think we have 1/4"-28 screws, just tons of 1/4-20", 10-32, 8-32, 6-32, and some metric.

[AdamHeard]

An advantage to 1/4"-20 is that more teams that I know of stock it over 1/4"-28. Something to consider as well.
I don't think we have 1/4"-28 screws, just tons of 1/4-20", 10-32, 8-32, 6-32, and some metric.

Every single FRC team in the last 10+ years has had at least two 1/4-28 nuts on their robot.

Arguably the most standard FRC fasteners next to a philips head #6-32.

[billbo911]

Every single FRC team in the last 10+ years has had at least two 1/4-28 nuts on their robot.


True, unless one student removes them and another replaces them with 1/4-20 nuts. Now that team has intermittent electrical problems as well.:mad:

[magnets]

Every single FRC team in the last 10+ years has had at least two 1/4-28 nuts on their robot.

Arguably the most standard FRC fasteners next to a philips head #6-32.

1/4-28's? Where do we use these commonly in FRC? Bimba cylinders are available with this thread, but that's all I can think of for common parts...

[Thad House]

1/4-28's? Where do we use these commonly in FRC? Bimba cylinders are available with this thread, but that's all I can think of for common parts...

It's the nuts on the breaker.

[Mike Marandola]

1/4-28's? Where do we use these commonly in FRC? Bimba cylinders are available with this thread, but that's all I can think of for common parts...

Main breaker

[Chris is me]

I'll take my axles without a hole through them, and my R8-2RS bearings are 1/3 the cost of a "Thunderhex" bearing, and are an industry-standard size. ;-)

The thing about ThunderHex is that while you can buy ThunderHex stock to use with it, you can make any hex shaft a ThunderHex compatible shaft just by turning it down a little on a lathe. You're not locked in to using Vex's shaft.

I'm excited about being able to do stepped shafts in one operation, using round bearings of varying sizes everywhere. Instead of making 1/2 hex, 1/2 round, 7/16 hex combo shafts, you could do 1/2" hex on one side and ThunderHex through the middle to the other side.

The bearings do cost more, yeah, but I'd pay $16 more per robot to avoid having to make stepped shafts, custom 7/16" hex broached sprockets, etc.

[Mr V]

Just a habit of working on aircraft. The robots are vibration machines, so any little advantage to screws backing-out I will take. We have quite a few fastener stores in the area, so access to fine thread fasteners is not an issue.

That being said, we haven't used a 1/4" fastener on the robot in quite sometime - maybe a COTS component that required. We have used #10 rivet nuts in 1/4" holes in the past in the KOP frames.

I have found that Nylock nuts and bolts do not vibrate loose in FRC applications and if there is a situation where a Nylock is not suitable then we use medium strength thread locker. Once I introduced thread locker to the team there have not been any instances were a fastener came loose.

Where to you find rivet nuts that go in a 1/4" hole all the ones I've ever found use the annoying 19/64" bit. Because it is a less than common size we keep it in the kit with the rivet nuts so it is there when we need it.

[asid61]

Every single FRC team in the last 10+ years has had at least two 1/4-28 nuts on their robot.

Arguably the most standard FRC fasteners next to a philips head #6-32.

Whoops. I didn't know that electrical used those.
I stand corrected.

[Lil' Lavery]

Cool. What about it gives it the added strength? Is it the cross-section geometry? The alloy? The black anodizing?

People have touted the alloy, but the cross-section geometry plays a huge role here as well. The shape of the churro is particularly poor at transmitting torsional loads.

[tim-tim]

Where to you find rivet nuts that go in a 1/4" hole all the ones I've ever found use the annoying 19/64" bit. Because it is a less than common size we keep it in the kit with the rivet nuts so it is there when we need it.

Yes, we have to drill the holes up to 19/64 as well. What I was trying to say is that even though the KOP chassis encourages 1/4" hardware, we still don't use it.

On a side note, it is always nice to keep a drill index on hand for things like this; but we to keep a drill bit or two in the bag with the riv-nut tool.

[dellagd]

The Talon SRX and the Victor SP are mostly the same product - they were designed in tandem by CTR and VEX. The only difference is that the Talon SRX is CAN capable, whereas the Victor SP only uses PWM. As a result the Talon SRX is negligibly larger, and costs about $20 more. For those who do not use CAN in their electronics, the Victor SP is probably their best bet, saving them $20 per controller, and for those who do use CAN, the Talon SRX is a godsend compared to the Jaguar, and well worth the money.

EDIT: Michael Hill covers some aspects of the Talon SRX that I had missed earlier in his post right after mine.

Amen. The team's really excited to finally be able to get all we wanted out of CAN* with all those extra features on the Talon now.

*In an actually reliable way :D

[MrRoboSteve]

I have found that Nylock nuts and bolts do not vibrate loose in FRC applications and if there is a situation where a Nylock is not suitable then we use medium strength thread locker. Once I introduced thread locker to the team there have not been any instances were a fastener came loose.

There's always the situation where a new team member uses the #10 nylock nut on the #8 machine screw. Kind of seems to work, if you don't pay attention to tightening it completely.

[Grant Cox]

Anyone know if we need to do separate orders for the new motor controllers in order to have any other parts delivered on time?

I ask because Andy Mark's site recommends that you put SPs/SRX's in a different order than you would other materials.

Yes, this would be helpful for our sales team as they're processing orders. Thank you for asking.

[ChuckDickerson]

There's always the situation where a new team member uses the #10 nylock nut on the #8 machine screw. Kind of seems to work, if you don't pay attention to tightening it completely.

One of our students did that back in 2006 with a bunch of the old IFI sheet metal wheels. That didn't work out so well until we figured it out. The sprockets all started falling off.

[Grant Cox]

Anyone from Vex able to comment on the weight savings of the new Colsons compared to the previous live axle hub assembly teams used last year more specifically on the 4 x 1 1/2 wheels?

Official weights for all of the new VEXpro Colson wheels have been updated on their product page (http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/motion/wheels-and-hubs/colsonperforma.html). Thank you for your patience, and sorry for not having those up at the initial launch :)

[sanddrag]

Yes, this would be helpful for our sales team as they're processing orders. Thank you for asking.I put in a mixed order. Hopefully it will be OK ???

[Monochron]

Yes, this would be helpful for our sales team as they're processing orders. Thank you for asking.

Ah, sorry. I called earlier today and the representative recommended that I put everything in one order. I am perfectly willing to split them, but I think the order is already fully in.

[Jared]

The output shafts and shifting dogs for the WCP DS gearbox seem to be dead links right now. Do you still plan to sell the output shafts and shifting dogs separately?

Also, can the shorter steel shaft that fits inside the gearbox output shaft be purchased separately too?

[maddoctor90]

What wire gauge and twist count is used for the CAN wires on the Talon SRX?

[Richard Wallace]

What wire gauge and twist count is used for the CAN wires on the Talon SRX?Used, or recommended by the developer?

While beta testing, our team used 20 AWG green and yellow purchased on separate spools (e.g., McMaster 8054T14) and twisted pairs ourselves with a vise and drill, to about 20 twists per foot. So far no issues. We twisted to get good handling/routing, not to solve an EMI problem.

[Aren_Hill]

What wire gauge and twist count is used for the CAN wires on the Talon SRX?

The wire spec is 20AWG per the drawing on the site, the twist spec we use is 1 revolution per 14-21mm.

-Aren

[maddoctor90]

Used, or recommended by the developer?

While beta testing, our team used 20 AWG green and yellow purchased on separate spools (e.g., McMaster 8054T14) and twisted pairs ourselves with a vise and drill, to about 20 twists per foot. So far no issues. We twisted to get good handling/routing, not to solve an EMI problem.

Thanks for the information!

If the recommended wire and wire that is used are different, I would like to know both. I am assuming that that VEX Pro / CTRE would use the wire what they recommend; but, I can understand why they may be different.

[maddoctor90]

The wire spec is 20AWG per the drawing on the site, the twist spec we use is 1 revolution per 14-21mm.

-Aren

That answers my question. Thanks

[Aren_Hill]

The output shafts and shifting dogs for the WCP DS gearbox seem to be dead links right now. Do you still plan to sell the output shafts and shifting dogs separately?

Also, can the shorter steel shaft that fits inside the gearbox output shaft be purchased separately too?

The Shifter rod has been added to the 217-3628 Shifter dog Kit.
http://www.vexrobotics.com/217-3628.html

And yes the shifter output shaft will still be available by itself.
http://www.vexrobotics.com/217-3635.html

-Aren

[sanddrag]

The Shifter rod has been added to the 217-3628 Shifter dog Kit.
http://www.vexrobotics.com/217-3628.html

And yes the shifter output shaft will still be available by itself.
http://www.vexrobotics.com/217-3635.html

-ArenGreat news! Photos on the product page would be welcome too.

[Jared]

The Shifter rod has been added to the 217-3628 Shifter dog Kit.
http://www.vexrobotics.com/217-3628.html

And yes the shifter output shaft will still be available by itself.
http://www.vexrobotics.com/217-3635.html

-Aren

Thanks very much! This is great news.

[RoboChair]

I have found that Nylock nuts and bolts do not vibrate loose in FRC applications and if there is a situation where a Nylock is not suitable then we use medium strength thread locker. Once I introduced thread locker to the team there have not been any instances were a fastener came loose.

Where to you find rivet nuts that go in a 1/4" hole all the ones I've ever found use the annoying 19/64" bit. Because it is a less than common size we keep it in the kit with the rivet nuts so it is there when we need it.

Our 2007 Aim high robot vibrated 1/4-20 nylon lock nuts off... multiple times...

[Mr V]

Our 2007 Aim high robot vibrated 1/4-20 nylon lock nuts off... multiple times...

Were you reusing the Nylocks? They are a one time use item, though you can often get by with using them a couple of times.

[Grant Cox]

We've still got one more thing for 2015 - the Ball Shifter Shaft v2 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1419247) is now available.

[ToddF]

Now, if you would just get 2 CIM ball shifters in stock...

[Aren_Hill]

Now, if you would just get 2 CIM ball shifters in stock...

The 3 stage 2 CIM ballshifters are back in stock (217-2615) the 2 stage ones will be back in early next week, several factors out of my control have been delaying shifters in general, wrapping them up.

-Aren

[ToddF]

Excellent. Thanks!

[Progene]

The drawing on the Vexpro.com site shows the CAN wire as 22AWG as opposed to 20AWG. Is the spec different on different drawings by chance?

The 22AWG drawing is located here - http://content.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/pdf/217-8080-Drawing-20150120.PDF

We just want to be sure of the correct wire gauge.

[ozrien]

The SRX uses 22 AWG.

[Progene]

Awesome, thanks!

[notmattlythgoe]

I hate to resurrect this thread, but is there going to be a new product launch this year?

[orangemoore]

I hate to resurrect this thread, but is there going to be a new product launch this year?

I have been wondering the same thing.

[AllenGregoryIV]

I hate to resurrect this thread, but is there going to be a new product launch this year?

Dec 10th
https://twitter.com/VEXRobotics/status/664926952206155776

[Owen Busler]

Any idea as to what they will be releasing or upgrading?

[cadandcookies]

Any idea as to what they will be releasing or upgrading?

I would presume that's what we'll find out on the 10th.

[Tungrus]

Swerve drive - 6 wheels!

[Aren Siekmeier]

Also anybody know about the VEX speed controller voucher described in this blog post?
http://archive.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-2016-motor-controllers

Might the info be released with the line launch? We are holding off on our big preseason parts order until then, would like to cover some of the speed controllers in that order.

[Sperkowsky]

Also anybody know about the VEX speed controller voucher described in this blog post?
http://archive.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-2016-motor-controllers

Might the info be released with the line launch? We are holding off on our big preseason parts order until then, would like to cover some of the speed controllers in that order.
To me it seems like the voucher will come in the KOP.

[Aren Siekmeier]

Also anybody know about the VEX speed controller voucher described in this blog post?
http://archive.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-2016-motor-controllers

Might the info be released with the line launch? We are holding off on our big preseason parts order until then, would like to cover some of the speed controllers in that order.

Yay! http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=140161

[Shahil_FRC]

Yay! http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=140161

Aren,

14-838288 and 14-868380 are part numbers listed on Cross the Road electronics website to the Victor SP and Talon SRX.
http://www.ctr-electronics.com/control-system/motor-control/talon-srx.html
http://www.ctr-electronics.com/control-system/motor-control/victor-sp.html

Just noticed a new product from Cross the Road though!
HERO Development Board $59 :
http://www.ctr-electronics.com/control-system/hro.html