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An alliance's two human players are in the human player stations. Can they move from the human player station once they enter it? Does the third human player shuttle totes and litter to the other two human players? Can a human player move more than one tote or litter at the same time (i.e. could I grab all 10 litter at the same time and carry to the human player station)?
An alliance's two human players are in the human player stations. Can they move from the human player station once they enter it? Does the third human player shuttle totes and litter to the other two human players? Can a human player move more than one tote or litter at the same time (i.e. could I grab all 10 litter at the same time and carry to the human player station)?
i do belive you can leave your station because the rules allow for the human player to become driver half way through a match, you can jus switch drivers at any time
You can seriously just switch drivers?
Which rule...? LOL
wajirock
03-01-2015, 23:51
You can seriously just switch drivers?
Which rule...? LOL
The closest one I could find talking about this is G32.
G32 During a MATCH, the ROBOT shall be operated solely by the DRIVERS and/or HUMAN PLAYERS of that Team.
The and part may mean that the Human Player could take control of the robot. I don't see any use for it though.
Dhill098
03-01-2015, 23:55
The closest one I could find talking about this is G32.
G32 During a MATCH, the ROBOT shall be operated solely by the DRIVERS and/or HUMAN PLAYERS of that Team.
The and part may mean that the Human Player could take control of the robot. I don't see any use for it though.
Maybe for Kinect control? I am just guessing.. But I think FIRST wants to leave opportunities open and see where teams take them.
Kevin Selavko
04-01-2015, 00:04
We can use more controllers this year, so that might have something to do with it.
Maybe for Kinect control? I am just guessing.. But I think FIRST wants to leave opportunities open and see where teams take them.
Actually in the rules it says no more kinect or webcam control. It's rule G21
Maxwellfire
04-01-2015, 00:50
I believe the no kinect/webcam was just for auto to prevent the innovative ways people have gotten around the auto rules in the past.
Yeah I just wasn't sure if we were talking whole match or auto.
Jacob Bendicksen
04-01-2015, 00:55
I believe the no kinect/webcam was just for auto to prevent the innovative ways people have gotten around the auto rules in the past.
True. G21 states:
During AUTO, DRIVE TEAMS must not directly or indirectly interact with ROBOTS or OPERATOR CONSOLES.
The note below it:
FIRST salutes the creative and innovative ways in which Teams have interacted with their ROBOTS during AUTO in previous seasons, making the AUTO period more of a hybrid period due to indirect interaction with the OPERATOR CONSOLE. The RECYCLE RUSH AUTO Period, however, is meant to be truly autonomous and ROBOT or OPERATOR CONSOLE interaction (such as through webcam or KinectTM) are prohibited.
However, R46 prohibits human players using IR remotes to control robots, similar to 2008.
One(1) D-Link Wireless Bridge (P/N: DAP-1522), hardware revision B, that has been configured with the appropriate encryption key for your team number at each event, is the only permitted device for communicating to and from the ROBOT during the MATCH.
Does the third human player shuttle totes and litter to the other two human players?
Just remember, as per G5, "only one Alliance member may be in each Human Player Zone at a time."
Dunngeon
04-01-2015, 00:58
True. G21 states:
However, R46 prohibits human players using IR remotes to control robots, similar to 2008.
Why did you bring up IR remotes?
Why did you bring up IR remotes?
Because that was a legal way for human players to communicate with robots during the Hybrid Period of the 2008 game, FIRST Overdrive. It is not, however, legal this year.
Jacob Bendicksen
04-01-2015, 01:00
Why did you bring up IR remotes?
It was the first thing that came to mind for an example, since they were legal in '08. I could have said R/C car remote, as well - same idea.
GaryVoshol
04-01-2015, 13:41
Actually in the rules it says no more kinect or webcam control. It's rule G21
That's an Auton rule
Kuhnahtt
04-01-2015, 19:29
Interestingly enough, there's a very specific rule on how you put totes in the chute. You cannot apply any sort of force to the tote, it has to slide, and also when putting it into the chute both hands must be on the chute. You cannot have one hand on the door area and one on the chute, you'll get a foul.
GaryVoshol
04-01-2015, 19:41
Interestingly enough, there's a very specific rule on how you put totes in the chute. You cannot apply any sort of force to the tote, it has to slide, and also when putting it into the chute both hands must be on the chute. You cannot have one hand on the door area and one on the chute, you'll get a foul.
Can you cite the rule for that?
RallyJeff
04-01-2015, 19:45
Interestingly enough, there's a very specific rule on how you put totes in the chute. You cannot apply any sort of force to the tote, it has to slide, and also when putting it into the chute both hands must be on the chute. You cannot have one hand on the door area and one on the chute, you'll get a foul.
I don't see most of that in the rules... only this:
G6 A single ALLIANCE member may not be in contact with both a TOTE and the CHUTE DOOR simultaneously.
VIOLATION: FOUL.
Also, G5 prohibits more than one alliance member in each human player area, so that deals with the possibility of one person opening the chute door while another pushes the tote out the chute.
Can you cite the rule for that?
I can.
G6 A single ALLIANCE member may not be in contact with both a TOTE and the CHUTE DOOR simultaneously..
VIOLATION: FOUL.
GaryVoshol
04-01-2015, 19:49
OK, I think I see what happened. The poster mixed up the words "chute" and "tote" in a couple places.
For example, you don't have to have 2 hands on the chute. (Nor 2 hands on the tote for that matter.) And you can touch both the chute and the door at the same time.
AdamStockton
04-01-2015, 19:55
OK, I think I see what happened. The poster mixed up the words "chute" and "tote" in a couple places.
For example, you don't have to have 2 hands on the chute. (Nor 2 hands on the tote for that matter.) And you can touch both the chute and the door at the same time.
Here is the blue box that goes along with G6:
For details on the operation of the CHUTE DOOR, please watch the Field Tour videos on the FRC YouTube channel.
Here is the link to the field tour video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sryrCE4mAo. This should give you a visual illustration of how the totes are suppose to be entered into the playing field
RallyJeff
04-01-2015, 20:04
OK, I think I see what happened. The poster mixed up the words "chute" and "tote" in a couple places.
For example, you don't have to have 2 hands on the chute. (Nor 2 hands on the tote for that matter.) And you can touch both the chute and the door at the same time.
You can also apply force to the tote provided you do it without contacting the tote and chute door simultaneously (e.g. by using a noodle as a ramrod). I wonder if we'll see an update or Q & A about that.
BryceKarlins
06-01-2015, 23:46
You can also apply force to the tote provided you do it without contacting the tote and chute door simultaneously (e.g. by using a noodle as a ramrod). I wonder if we'll see an update or Q & A about that.
Does that not count as "contact" as per rule G6? But, I guess that's what the Q&A is for.
It is good that I am re-reading this and having this in mind to tell my team.
Now I can be sure we don't have any fouls on our team, because I know there is going to be a lot of fouls given for that rule. Not every single person read that rule.
That Tote is huge...Robots are huge...Robots can move fast....Hands are very special....You like your hands....FIRST and the rest of us want to see that you keep your hands....Therefore, do as was designed. Insert the Tote into the Tote chute....Tap it (the rear of the Tote), against the Tote chute door once. Then move your hands fully away from the Tote and use one hand to lift the handle for the Tote Chute Door and allow the TOTE only by gravity feed to slide into the Field area. (Please DO NOT attempt to use Litter please for a non-intended purpose as, IF you contact both the Tote in the chute, and the Chute Door Handle at the same time, you will incur a G6 Penalty, and your Alliance Partners will not be very happy with you).
G6 A single ALLIANCE member may not be in contact with both a TOTE and the CHUTE DOOR simultaneously.
VIOLATION: FOUL.
Contact with, both at the same time...key words. What you described=G6.
That is how you will keep your hands safe....Now, PLEASE GO WATCH THE VIDEO!:yikes:
Here is the link to the field tour video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sryrCE4mAo. This should give you a visual illustration of how the totes are suppose to be entered into the playing field.
martin417
07-01-2015, 07:55
An alliance's two human players are in the human player stations. Can they move from the human player station once they enter it? Does the third human player shuttle totes and litter to the other two human players? Can a human player move more than one tote or litter at the same time (i.e. could I grab all 10 litter at the same time and carry to the human player station)?
(emphasis mine)
Why do you only count two human players? There is one per team, therefore three per alliance. One in each feeder station, and one that can roam. I would assume he (or she) would feed noodles and totes to the two in the feeder stations.
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