A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?

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Posted by bill whitley at 03/14/2001 9:49 PM EST


Student on team #70, Auto City Bandits, from Powers Catholic High School and Kettering University.



What do you think about teams who have one person just for strategy & another to drive. Shouldnt the driver be the one to decide on the strategy so (s)he knows it inside and out? The driver knows the robot better than anyone else, shouldnt (s)he come up with the strategy? What do you think?

Bill
Team #70

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Posted by Jeffrey at 03/14/2001 10:04 PM EST


Student on team #173, RAGE robotics, from Rockville High School and UTRC.


In Reply to: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by bill whitley on 03/14/2001 9:49 PM EST:



I agree with you, however, the drivers are usually setting the robot up and hooking up the controls. I know it dosen't take that long, but two minutes to discuss strategy isn't enough time for the drivers to put the robot out on the field and then talk strategy.

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Posted by bill whitley at 03/14/2001 10:31 PM EST


Student on team #70, Auto City Bandits, from Powers Catholic High School and Kettering University.


In Reply to: Re: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by Jeffrey on 03/14/2001 10:04 PM EST:



: I agree with you, however, the drivers are usually setting the robot up and hooking up the controls. I know it dosen't take that long, but two minutes to discuss strategy isn't enough time for the drivers to put the robot out on the field and then talk strategy.

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Posted by Travis Covington at 03/14/2001 11:12 PM EST


Student on team #115, MVRT, from Monta Vista High School and 3com - NASA-Xilinx-Hitachi Data Systems.


In Reply to: Let the coaches put the robot on the field. (eom)
Posted by bill whitley on 03/14/2001 10:31 PM EST:



yah...

coaches ...NO

other students ...YES

I am the driver for team 115 and i do agree that the drivers should be planning the strategy. They know the bots capabilities the best and can more easily communicate to the other teams what they can accomplish. I say keep the students doing as much as possible. Coaches keep em from killing themselves, thats it!

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Posted by Travis Covington at 03/14/2001 11:35 PM EST


Student on team #115, MVRT, from Monta Vista High School and 3com - NASA-Xilinx-Hitachi Data Systems.


In Reply to: Let the coaches(OR STUDENTS) put the robot on the field.
Posted by Travis Covington on 03/14/2001 11:12 PM EST:



sorry bout that last one..

i mean try to make the students do the thinking

if the coaches or engineers are workin the plays out and they mouth feed the info to the drivers i feel that they arent learing as well as if they planned a strategy themselves and screwed it up...at least they learn what they did right and wrong without having to look back to the coach and ask what happened...they discover themselves and learn quicker

i love coaches and engineers as much as the rest of you
but i feel strongly about student involvement.... coming from a team that truely has no real adult leadership... we are still able to learn and come out as a strong team every year.

this is my opinion alone, so please take it as nothing but my personal thoughts

-TC

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Posted by Veronica at 03/15/2001 8:36 PM EST


Student on team #27, Team Rush, from Osmtech and Textron.


In Reply to: Let the coaches put the robot on the field. (eom)
Posted by bill whitley on 03/14/2001 10:31 PM EST:



no bill you lose!!!

everyone must be thinkin what is she talking bout but bill knows

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Posted by soap108 at 03/15/2001 12:14 AM EST


Engineer on team #108, SigmaC@T, from Dillard & Taravella HS and Motorola.


In Reply to: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by bill whitley on 03/14/2001 9:49 PM EST:




Reflecting on the good ol days of 1996 and 1997:
As the student driver, I shoo-ed away the engineers as coaches and pleaded to let us -the students- strategize and drive the robot accordingly....We did great seeding 10th at EPCOT in 96 and making the QF (6th place) at the first Motorola MidWest in 97.

I appreciated the engineers knowledge of the mechanical limits of the robot and did occasionally ask them to 'coach', but ususally ignored their _strategy_ feedback.

Actually, I listened, but thought their suggestions weren't toooo 'at-the-moment' or 'that-was-two-seconds-ago' and not 'what-to-do-5or10-seconds-from-now. Thus I felt their inputs were not as valueable as what I was already planning to do.....

Of course those years our robot was, well, geared toward only doing a set strategy. It wasn't hard to figure out what to do...just the order in which to do it.... I actually worried more about what the other 2 teams were going to do. (for those that don't know FRC's were 1 on 1 on 1 until 1999)

These past couple of years (1999-2001) are different...they're "Diaboloical" in the addition of alliances...now negotiating has to take place....that requires, in my view, 'higher bandwidth' thinkers, namely engineers/adults who deal with like issues day-to-day...(I know, some students are exceptionally bright too, but I not referring to them...)

------------Bottom Line-------------
Engineers as coaches/strategists should stay.....but DO get the STUDENTS involved as much as possible....this whole FIRST thing is about them is it not???


more food 4 thought,
KA



: What do you think about teams who have one person just for strategy & another to drive. Shouldnt the driver be the one to decide on the strategy so (s)he knows it inside and out? The driver knows the robot better than anyone else, shouldnt (s)he come up with the strategy? What do you think?

: Bill
: Team #70

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Posted by Travis Covington at 03/15/2001 1:39 PM EST


Student on team #115, MVRT, from Monta Vista High School and 3com - NASA-Xilinx-Hitachi Data Systems.


In Reply to: Re: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by soap108 on 03/15/2001 12:14 AM EST:



I totally agree

about my earlier comment

the reason i came out with MY opinion on coaches and engineers strategizing is honestly we really have none...and im sure my opinion would be different if we did..

i just know of alot of our local teams who have a similar situation (student lead) and i feel it works just as good

sorry for saying one thing is better than the other...

its just the way i live day to day without engineers hehe

j/k

thanks for listening to my ranting again

-TC

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Posted by soap108 at 03/16/2001 1:43 AM EST


Engineer on team #108, SigmaC@T, from Dillard & Taravella HS and Motorola.


In Reply to: Re: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by Travis Covington on 03/15/2001 1:39 PM EST:



All-

I'm really not trying to yell or argue either...(sorry if it appeared that way)....I'm just relaying what my experience has been. Text is really a bad way to communicate at times...

If I were to run a team, so to speak, I'd have 1 Engineer as coach- one who really works with students well, but who is also very qualified (mentally) for the job, and 1 Student- either a lead mechanical or software or something....someone who has good background of robot and who can act in a GP way when dealing w/ other teams and their drive team......

I've always thought the best set of drivers/coaches you can have are ones that know what changing strategy 'on-the-fly' means and can do it. At least that's what was needed at times in years like 1996-2000. Those were some tough years.

Now that every bot is on the same team, it's not as super-critical to make changes on the fly ... you have a plan up front and execute as fast as you can.... yeah, glitches occur, but having no 'defense' to worry about really shifts the strategy paradigm....at least thats my current take on 2001.

Diabolical Dynamics...how fitting....

;~)
KA



: I totally agree

: about my earlier comment

: the reason i came out with MY opinion on coaches and engineers strategizing is honestly we really have none...and im sure my opinion would be different if we did..

: i just know of alot of our local teams who have a similar situation (student lead) and i feel it works just as good

: sorry for saying one thing is better than the other...

: its just the way i live day to day without engineers hehe

: j/k

: thanks for listening to my ranting again

: -TC



: I totally agree

: about my earlier comment

: the reason i came out with MY opinion on coaches and engineers strategizing is honestly we really have none...and im sure my opinion would be different if we did..

: i just know of alot of our local teams who have a similar situation (student lead) and i feel it works just as good

: sorry for saying one thing is better than the other...

: its just the way i live day to day without engineers hehe

: j/k

: thanks for listening to my ranting again

: -TC

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Posted by Ice 98 at 03/15/2001 5:29 PM EST


Other on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Oakland University and Pontiac Central/Delphi I.


In Reply to: Re: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by soap108 on 03/15/2001 12:14 AM EST:



I too like to look at the good old days. Never having the chance to compete with alliances... it is quite different now. In those days,...It was one on one on one with only one WINNER at the end. My last match of my career as CD3's operator, I really wished we had an alliance. This match was a great example of a driver team full of "students" going bad. I wondered (to this very day) where were the engineers? I think it would have been a different story if they were to at least tried to play the game.Their strategy: to take us out and not care to score or win? That was not gracious professionalism at all. What happened in this scenerio? Is it a case of one bad apple in a few hundred? Can it happen again? Why would it happen?
(THANK YOU TO THE TEAM THAT WARNED US A HEAD OF TIME.)

Now there are less chances of this happening again which is great. I feel that alliances gives teams a better chance at the competition regardless of the lucky draws. I think it would have been fun to have another team on your side you can work with on the field.

Note: This is not to offend anyone and I do apologize if it does.

Ice

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Posted by soap108 at 03/16/2001 1:24 AM EST


Engineer on team #108, SigmaC@T, from Dillard & Taravella HS and Motorola.


In Reply to: Re: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by Ice 98 on 03/15/2001 5:29 PM EST:



Ice,

I know your team got picked on....one robot sacrifices itself so that CD doesn't win, because it always won..... At least that's what I heard. The third robot wins the match....CD places 2nd or third.

Regardless CD still has a great robot each year and is successful each year.

97 Midwest arm wrestling match between our robots on Friday was to prevent you from scoring on top of the apex, not an attempt to wipe you out or anything......
That was actually one of my favorite matches...You eventually outlasted and won. Our arm's gear broke.....I remeber shaking hands with all of your drivers...or at least the coaches' He had a smile...it was a good match.....Maybe I'll find the video and put it on the web someday this summer.....
There were at lot of good matches at that regional...

adios,
KA

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Posted by colleen - T190 at 03/15/2001 8:46 AM EST


Engineer on team #190, Gompei, from Massachusetts Academy of Math and Science and WPI.


In Reply to: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by bill whitley on 03/14/2001 9:49 PM EST:



First off--

The driver doesn't necessarily know the robot better than anyone else.. in certain situations they do.. but that isn't true for every team...

Secondly, the drivers should be more concerned with "how to do it" and "what if something goes wrong" than the "what basic task will our team do this match"..

From my experience at UTC and LongIsland as coach.. i found that is the EXPERIENCE of the person, and not who the person (student, engineer, parent) is that makes a difference.. experience knows how to walk and talk the ropes a little better most often... and they know how to excude a confidence in their ideas..

Point of note as to why the situation of "drivers doing strategy" doesn't work: at our first regional this year.. we came up to an alliance where someone was going to use the stretcher, this other team with their driver negotiating was going to pull the stretcher.. however, the ramp would need to be retoggled first.. they were the only ones who could do it BUT, as STATED DIRECTLY FROM THE DRIVER, they "can't reset the ramp with something in tow".. my suggestion "go reset the ramp THEN grab the stretcher and go over".. their response "what do you mean by 'reset the ramp'?"

That match cost us a lot of points because I was still trying to get this concept across as woodie was announcing.. we had to end up trying to reset the ramp from an orientation we never did, with an arm that really should have been doing it..

In the days of one-on-one-on-one.. drivers deciding strategy (if you didn't have a good strategy/scouting team) would be ok.. cause (like soap108 said) your robot is built to do a task, it's simply a matter of execution... now.. you're robot is built to do one or many things that you can't just go out and "do" as a driver would.. you have to discuss, decide, plan, execute in

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Posted by soap108 at 03/16/2001 1:57 AM EST


Engineer on team #108, SigmaC@T, from Dillard & Taravella HS and Motorola.


In Reply to: in a game of "all for one" yes, in this "one of all"... no..
Posted by colleen - T190 on 03/15/2001 8:46 AM EST:




Experience is key!! You're correct.

Unfortunatly many times we have to ship the robot before any real driving practice takes place. The default ends up being 2 engin as coach since they've had more time with the bot.

There's pros and cons here too:
Since we now attend 2 regional + EPCOT, we have different set of drivers/hp for each event. This gets more students involved (a real big +), but the driver learning curves start near the beginning each event.

Meanwhile, the coaches typically remain the same over the events and over the years...

For now I like this approach, reaching more students and learning should be #1, winning #2. .....


more food 4 thought,
KA



: From my experience at UTC and LongIsland as coach.. i found that is the EXPERIENCE of the person, and not who the person (student, engineer, parent) is that makes a difference.. experience knows how to walk and talk the ropes a little better most often... and they know how to excude a confidence in their ideas..

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Posted by mike oleary at 03/16/2001 11:02 AM EST


Student on team #419, rambots, from bc high and sponsors are overrated..go pocket-change robots!!!.


In Reply to: Re: in a game of "all for one" yes, Experience
Posted by soap108 on 03/16/2001 1:57 AM EST:



what we do to decide the drivers and stuff is we choose to driver teams...the one whos supposed to drive and a backup team...and to choose them we have several tests about the robot and kit of parts and stuff...how much time a person put into the bot is also factored in, for example, our driver this year is mike corliss who put in more hours then anyone else on the team...mostly people left at around 6 or so but at least one night per week he would stay till 11 or later even though he had school the next day
i like this system because drivers are chosen primarily though actual numbers. also people who put a lot of time and energy into the bot get rewarded

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: Experience is key!! You're correct.

: Unfortunatly many times we have to ship the robot before any real driving practice takes place. The default ends up being 2 engin as coach since they've had more time with the bot.

: There's pros and cons here too:
: Since we now attend 2 regional + EPCOT, we have different set of drivers/hp for each event. This gets more students involved (a real big +), but the driver learning curves start near the beginning each event.

: Meanwhile, the coaches typically remain the same over the events and over the years...

: For now I like this approach, reaching more students and learning should be #1, winning #2. .....

:
: more food 4 thought,
: KA


: : From my experience at UTC and LongIsland as coach.. i found that is the EXPERIENCE of the person, and not who the person (student, engineer, parent) is that makes a difference.. experience knows how to walk and talk the ropes a little better most often... and they know how to excude a confidence in their ideas..

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Posted by Matt Ryan at 03/16/2001 7:25 PM EST


Student on team #69, HYPER, from Quincy Public Schools and Gillette.


In Reply to: in a game of "all for one" yes, in this "one of all"... no..
Posted by colleen - T190 on 03/15/2001 8:46 AM EST:



If they don't know what "reset the ramp" means, they really shouldn't be drivers...

The drivers won't know how everything on the robot works. They WILL have an overall feel for the robot and its capabilities--something vital to strategizing.

Seeing that the drivers are the ones to carry out the strategies, they should be the ones to make them.

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Posted by Anton Abaya at 03/15/2001 3:51 PM EST


Coach on team #419, Rambots, from UMass Boston / BC High and If only we had free donuts....


In Reply to: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by bill whitley on 03/14/2001 9:49 PM EST:



I wish drivers could do this....

BUT REALITY CHECK!

they cant. they're spending time driving the robot and learning what needs to be done.

there are times split second decisions are necessary for them to make, but there are times when whatever the coaches say are whatever goes. it's a team effort to work together ---and in the end, a lot more is done.

a driver cannot see everything occurring on the playing field. Coaches look at the big picture. The 2nd coach is ideally an engineer who can be sure the robot is not getting abused. And the drivers concentrate on driving the machine.

Coaches are there because they are good in strategy and can see the bigger picture that drivers sometimes NEVER see. IF the coach was a ninny (and i've seen a lot). But sometimes, even the drivers do not know how to play the game either.

If it were all up to drivers, I'd be happier cuz I can watch from a distance my sexy wobot doing its thing. But unfortunately, I have to be right there on the stage making it happen. Teamwork and communication, it is the key.

-anton

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Posted by bill whitley at 03/15/2001 4:16 PM EST


Student on team #70, Auto City Bandits, from Powers Catholic High School and Kettering University.


In Reply to: yes yes yes!
Posted by Anton Abaya on 03/15/2001 3:51 PM EST:



: I wish drivers could do this....

: BUT REALITY CHECK!

: they cant. they're spending time driving the robot and learning what needs to be done.

because drivers spend time driving the robot, they more than anyone need to know the scoring and rules. the things most necessary for the strategy.

: there are times split second decisions are necessary for them to make, but there are times when whatever the coaches say are whatever goes. it's a team effort to work together ---and in the end, a lot more is done.

this is a high school student competition. when it comes to the actual competing part of this competition, why should students have the finals say? that would be a team efford just as much as an engineer saying what to do.

: a driver cannot see everything occurring on the playing field. Coaches look at the big picture. The 2nd coach is ideally an engineer who can be sure the robot is not getting abused. And the drivers concentrate on driving the machine.

I agree that during the match the coaches should be looking at the big picture and what strategies should be carried out because at that time, the driver is busy driving. But before the match, the driver should be more than capable.

: Coaches are there because they are good in strategy and can see the bigger picture that drivers sometimes NEVER see. IF the coach was a ninny (and i've seen a lot). But sometimes, even the drivers do not know how to play the game either.

If the driver doesnt see the big picture, they should be driving in the first place. A student is just as capable of seeing the bigger picture as any coach.

: If it were all up to drivers, I'd be happier cuz I can watch from a distance my sexy wobot doing its thing. But unfortunately, I have to be right there on the stage making it happen. Teamwork and communication, it is the key.

: -anton


I feel very strongly that this is a high school student competition, and that we should do the work. Coaches & engineers are there to facilitate us, not to do the work for us.

Bill
Team #70

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Posted by Tom at 03/15/2001 9:21 PM EST


Student on team #25, Raider Robotix, from North Brunswick Township High School and Bristol Myers-Squib.


In Reply to: i disagree. heres why...
Posted by bill whitley on 03/15/2001 4:16 PM EST:



Not true.

The engineers know a lot more about the physical limits of the materials and parts used on the robot than we do. For in stance:

If you try to drag a robot that got disabled in the middle of a match side ways, up the bridge, and it's obvious that your robot cannot do it, all the driver is concentrating on is getting the highest score possible by getting the robot in the endzone. Then it is the engineers job to step in and tell the driver to stop before you burn a drill motor, or break one f it's hooks off (trust me i saw this tried today in NJ, luckily it was a practice round)

As for coaches, they should know more about the strategy than the drivers. Drivers should concentrate on driving, that's what the are there for. It's hard to concentrate on manuvering a robot and thinking about strategy and scores ahead of time. The drivers should be trained to do what ever a coach tells them, and that in this game there is no time for argument.

As for your last statement. Yes this is a high school competition and engineers should keep some distance. But this is not a competition where the robots are all engineered and built by students, hence the name of FIRST, For INSPIRATION and RECOGNITION of Science and Technology. Your here to learn from the engineers.

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Posted by Travis Covington at 03/16/2001 1:45 AM EST


Student on team #115, MVRT, from Monta Vista High School and 3com - NASA-Xilinx-Hitachi Data Systems.


In Reply to: Re: i disagree. heres why...
Posted by Tom on 03/15/2001 9:21 PM EST:



: Not true.

: The engineers know a lot more about the physical limits of the materials and parts used on the robot than we do. For in stance:

: If you try to drag a robot that got disabled in the middle of a match side ways, up the bridge, and it's obvious that your robot cannot do it, all the driver is concentrating on is getting the highest score possible by getting the robot in the endzone. Then it is the engineers job to step in and tell the driver to stop before you burn a drill motor, or break one f it's hooks off (trust me i saw this tried today in NJ, luckily it was a practice round)

Uhmm...why dont the students know this info...sounds valuable

: As for coaches, they should know more about the strategy than the drivers. Drivers should concentrate on driving, that's what the are there for. It's hard to concentrate on manuvering a robot and thinking about strategy and scores ahead of time. The drivers should be trained to do what ever a coach tells them, and that in this game there is no time for argument.

uhmm..why dont you have other students strategizing...your team has got to have more than 5 students

: As for your last statement. Yes this is a high school competition and engineers should keep some distance. But this is not a competition where the robots are all engineered and built by students, hence the name of FIRST, For INSPIRATION and RECOGNITION of Science and Technology. Your here to learn from the engineers.

YES..learn from the engineers...not have them do things for you

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Posted by Matt Ryan at 03/16/2001 7:22 PM EST


Student on team #69, HYPER, from Quincy Public Schools and Gillette.


In Reply to: Re: i disagree. heres why...
Posted by Travis Covington on 03/16/2001 1:45 AM EST:



The students who are driving should be familiarized with the robot. If they aren't, they shouldn't be driving in the first place. If they can't see the big picture, they shouldn't be driving (actually...they shouldn't look at the big picture, they should take a quick glance and react). The drivers would know more about the game and the robot than most other people. If they don't do that strategy, who will?

Just because an engineer knows the physical limits of a robot is doesn't mean he/she knows how to play the game.

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Posted by Tom at 03/16/2001 9:23 PM EST


Student on team #25, Raider Robotix, from North Brunswick Township High School and Bristol Myers-Squib.


In Reply to: Re: i disagree. heres why...
Posted by Matt Ryan on 03/16/2001 7:22 PM EST:



My point is that the drivers already have too much on there mind to worry about strategy. Someone needs to think about it for them.

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Posted by mike oleary at 03/16/2001 10:13 PM EST


Student on team #419, rambots, from bc high and sponsors are overrated..go pocket-change robots!!!.


In Reply to: Re: i disagree. heres why...
Posted by Tom on 03/16/2001 9:23 PM EST:



: Someone needs to think about it for them.

i suppose..thats one way of looking at it and i can see youre point...it just raises the question: why do us rambots have anton in that role then?

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Posted by Matt Ryan at 03/17/2001 9:44 AM EST


Student on team #69, HYPER, from Quincy Public Schools and Gillette.


In Reply to: Re: i disagree. heres why...
Posted by Tom on 03/16/2001 9:23 PM EST:



: My point is that the drivers already have too much on there mind to worry about strategy. Someone needs to think about it for them.

No they don't have too much. They should be responsible for their own strategies. The drivers know the performance of the robot more than anyone else. Guess who is driving the robot? The drivers. Guess who needs to know what to do? The drivers. If they don't know the strategy, the drivers are useless. And if they don't strategize, thats just pretty strange, since they will have no idea what to expect in any match.

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Posted by Anton Abaya at 03/19/2001 3:19 PM EST


Coach on team #419, Rambots, from UMass Boston / BC High and If only we had free donuts....


In Reply to: Re: i disagree. heres why...
Posted by Matt Ryan on 03/17/2001 9:44 AM EST:



drivers and coaches are supposed to work together, not against each other, or over one another.

the final goal is to win and they must work to communicate. both parties need to know their tasks and both need to do their jobs accordingly.

if a coach was too uptight, then he is wrong. if a driver is too uptight, then he is wrong. both need to listen to each other and make good decisions.

ultimately, the decision has to end somewhere and someone has to make it. coaches have the experience and knowledge of the field, robot, constraints, etc. Drivers should as well, but leave it to the coaches to handle it.

In the long run, a team with great drivers who can drive the robot perfectly, and coaches who can strategize effectively, and a cooperative effort to communicate in the time you barely have...... it is a winning team.

-anton abaya

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Posted by Ice 98 at 03/15/2001 4:56 PM EST


Other on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Oakland University and Pontiac Central/Delphi I.


In Reply to: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by bill whitley on 03/14/2001 9:49 PM EST:



From experience (Chief Delphi 97-98 robot operator), the driver team is what it is... A TEAM. Split the jobs. It is hectic in the limited time given. If the jobs are divided within the strategy it makes it easier to focus on the task. Each individual should be given a job and should also have a plan B according to what happens in the match. As every drive team member knows, there are plenty of surprises.
2 drivers need direct communication. They both need to be aware of their surroundings while completing their task. That is where the other members come in. They need to know how much time is left what they need to do in that time. Time keeper...last minute adjustments and suggestions. They all are critical. Each member should know the robot's capabilities in and out. It doesn't matter if it is an engineer or student...whoever can get the job done most effectively. BUT one engineer is very helpful.

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Posted by Matt Ryan at 03/15/2001 9:12 PM EST


Student on team #69, HYPER, from Quincy Public Schools and Gillette.


In Reply to: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by bill whitley on 03/14/2001 9:49 PM EST:



On Team HYPER (69), the whole drive crew and the coaches work out strategy together.

Its better this way since the drivers can create their own strategies, making it easier for them to remember them [the strategies].

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Posted by Sean S. at 03/17/2001 4:16 PM EST


Student on team #11, M.O.R.T. (Mount Olive Robotics Team), from Mount Olive H. S. and BASF.


In Reply to: A good driver makes his own strategy. What do you think?
Posted by bill whitley on 03/14/2001 9:49 PM EST:



Dear Bill,
My name is Sean and I'm the driver from team #11. I believe that the coach should know what all the robots are capable of doing, and that only the coaches from all four teams should work together on making the best strategy. The coach should know what you are capable of handling if your driving the robot. The driver also has a very large responsability on his hands because of his job, so it is easy for the coach to make the best strategy, and then tell the driver what to do.