Match Crew

[nathanv]

I was looking in the rules, and I couldn't find anywhere that clarified how many people can be down in the field per team during a match. Could somebody clarify this?
Thanks!

[jdh042397]

G28 DRIVE TEAMS must wear their designated buttons in a clearly visible location at all times while in the ARENA. During a Playoff
MATCH, the ALLIANCE CAPTAIN must clearly display the designated ALLIANCE CAPTAIN identifier (e.g. hat or armband).
VIOLATION: MATCH will not start until the situation is corrected. Those not displaying identification will be asked to leave the
ARENA.

G29 Only the DRIVE TEAMS for the current MATCH are allowed in their respective ALLIANCE STATIONS.
VIOLATION: MATCH will not start until the situation is corrected. Those not displaying identification will be asked to leave the
ARENA.


So as before, only your drive team can be down on the field at the time of your match. However....

5.4.5 Pit Crews
During the Playoff MATCHES, extra Team members may be needed to maintain the ROBOT between MATCHES because of the distance
between the FIELD and the pit area. For this reason, each Team is permitted to have three (3) additional “pit crew” members who can also
help with needed ROBOT repairs/maintenance. Pit Crew members cannot be in the ALLIANCE STATION during a MATCH.

[Jay O'Donnell]

One coach (student or mentor) two drivers (students) and one human player (student). During the playoff matches only, teams can have up to three pit crew members in the field area (students or mentors).

[CalTran]

Teams also get 1-2 media members "field side", so if you can train them in maintenance, its an extra helper while in queue.

[DonRotolo]

Teams also get 1-2 media members "field side", so if you can train them in maintenance, its an extra helper while in queue.I have seen teams stripped of their media badge for allowing their media person work on the robot. The media pass is for people taking photos or video, not an extra hand in queue.

[Christopher149]

One coach (student or mentor) two drivers (students) and one human player (student). During the playoff matches only, teams can have up to three pit crew members in the field area (students or mentors).

And nothing mandates two drivers and a coach, the only minimums really being one driver and one human player. However, most teams like having as many people as allowed.

[Siri]

If your team might be limiting its drive team size, also realize that there are logistical challenges. You'll need two people for most robots, plus one for your driver station, and one for your cart. Fewer people than that has tended to slow down the match turnarounds for teams. (This has the potential to earn a delay of game penalty, though it usually just results in warnings and offers to help.)

Also note that last year the Q&A indicated that you can't have more different people just for transporting the robot, e.g. if you don't have drive team members physically capable of doing so. (You can redo the Q&A; the rule hasn't changed. It seemed like it might be accidentally problematic for teams with disabilities.)

[CalTran]

I have seen teams stripped of their media badge for allowing their media person work on the robot. The media pass is for people taking photos or video, not an extra hand in queue.

Huh. Regionals I've been to don't seem to have taken issue with doing this.l I guess it's more a "ymmv" thing. At any rate OP, I'd probably defer to Mr. Rotolo's advice rather than mine.

[Koko Ed]

Teams also get 1-2 media members "field side", so if you can train them in maintenance, its an extra helper while in queue.
It's one media person and they're not supposed to be working on the robot.

[Koko Ed]

If your team might be limiting its drive team size, also realize that there are logistical challenges. You'll need two people for most robots, plus one for your driver station, and one for your cart. Fewer people than that has tended to slow down the match turnarounds for teams. (This has the potential to earn a delay of game penalty, though it usually just results in warnings and offers to help.)

Also note that last year the Q&A indicated that you can't have more different people just for transporting the robot, e.g. if you don't have drive team members physically capable of doing so. (You can redo the Q&A; the rule hasn't changed. It seemed like it might be accidentally problematic for teams with disabilities.)
In Montreal in 2012 I had two teams push the limits on bringing people down to the field. One team was a veteran team who should have known better. I told them only people with drivers button are allowed down by the field. They had previously participated at GTR East earlier in the season and still had their drivers buttons so next match eight of them showed up. I siced the head ref on them.
The other one was a rookie team who bought an extra three people to the field to put the robot on the field for them. After telling them for the fifth time to not do that I had enough and told them if I had to tell them one more time to not do that I was going to report them to the head judge and have them stripped of their eligibility for awards. They didn't do it anymore.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

In Montreal in 2012 I had two teams push the limits on bringing people down to the field. One team was a veteran team who should have known better. I told them only people with drivers button are allowed down by the field. They had previously participated at GTR East earlier in the season and still had their drivers buttons so next match eight of them showed up. I siced the head ref on them.
The other one was a rookie team who bought an extra three people to the field to put the robot on the field for them. After telling them for the fifth time to not do that I had enough and told them if I had to tell them one more time to not do that I was going to report them to the head judge and have them stripped of their eligibility for awards. They didn't do it anymore.

Meanie :p

Seriously though, the rules are very clear on this subject and should be enforced.

[XaulZan11]

The media pass is for people taking photos or video, not an extra hand in queue.

Volunteer badges should also be for volunteers not those who volunteered earlier in the week but down on the field to help out their drive team during elminations.

[Carol]

The media/photo passes depends on the venue. Some, ones that are tight on space, may not allow any but may have a special area reserved for them. Other, roomier venues, may allow more.

Media badges have been striped not just for working on the robot but for coaching from the sidelines, or for consistently getting in the way of the field personnel.

[Koko Ed]

The media/photo passes depends on the venue. Some, ones that are tight on space, may not allow any but may have a special area reserved for them. Other, roomier venues, may allow more.

Media badges have been striped not just for working on the robot but for coaching from the sidelines, or for consistently getting in the way of the field personnel.

Last year at championships the media person on an opposing alliance took up residence in the loading station to take pictures and the human player collided with him when he was going to load the ball.. I was furious and yelled at the guy to get out of there immediately. Now looking back on it I wish I would have pointed him out to the head ref. That action deserved a red card for directly interfering with the opposing alliance ability to operate during a match.
You can see the collision at the 53 second of the video and you can see me moving in to move him out of there. (http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2014cur_qm26)

[MooreteP]

Last year at championships the media person on an opposing alliance took up residence in the loading station to take pictures and the human player collided with him when he was going to load the ball.. I was furious and yelled at the guy to get out of there immediately. Now looking back on it I wish I would have pointed him out to the head ref. That action deserved a red card for directly interfering with the opposing alliance ability to operate during a match.
You can see the collision at the 53 second of the video and you can see me moving in to move him out of there. (http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2014cur_qm26)

KokoBouncerCat!

A new volunteer role.

[EricH]

Last year at championships the media person on an opposing alliance took up residence in the loading station to take pictures and the human player collided with him when he was going to load the ball..

I had a similar event--forget which event I was reffing at--on a practice day. Except the HP ran around him outside the box and the media person was from his team.

First I called a foul (it's practice, so it gives everybody a clue that this ain't good but doesn't hurt anybody). Then, after the match, I told the media dude in no uncertain terms to stay out of the box, and told the HP that if someone was where they shouldn't be, myself included, run 'em over. Had no further issues.

[devg29]

Ok so just for clarification, does the rule of allowing only 2 team members on the field at a time before a match still stand? I question it due to the need for re-assembly of most of our robots this year due to the transport configuration.

[Christopher149]

Ok so just for clarification, does the rule of allowing only 2 team members on the field at a time before a match still stand? I question it due to the need for re-assembly of most of our robots this year due to the transport configuration.

This has been a thing? I don't recall this ever being a rule (and can't find such a rule in the 2015 manual). Usually we only have two at one time on the field, but we have gone to three or four if match start is somehow delayed and we needed to refill pneumatics (our system was kind of leaky last year).

[Koko Ed]

Ok so just for clarification, does the rule of allowing only 2 team members on the field at a time before a match still stand? I question it due to the need for re-assembly of most of our robots this year due to the transport configuration.

Well it's recommended you use two people to carry the robot onto the field so I don't see why not.

[Gregor]

Ok so just for clarification, does the rule of allowing only 2 team members on the field at a time before a match still stand? I question it due to the need for re-assembly of most of our robots this year due to the transport configuration.

It's not a rule. If someone tells you it is kindly ask them to point to a rule.

That being said, make sure your driver station is set up and your cart is where it should be before the other drive team members help with robot assembly on the field.

[Lij2015]

Ok so just for clarification, does the rule of allowing only 2 team members on the field at a time before a match still stand? I question it due to the need for re-assembly of most of our robots this year due to the transport configuration.

We've had our whole drive team on the field before, and i typically do some alignment myself for auto.

So i would go ahead and say have as many people as you want out there, just don't take a super long time(delay of game)

[MikeE]

So i would go ahead and say have as many people as you want out there, just don't take a super long time(delay of game)

...nor create an obstruction hazard on the field.
There will be a fairly large field reset crew on the field, plus 3 robots of potentially unusual size and some floor unevenness around the scoring platforms.
Please be considerate of everyone around you on the field.

[EricH]

So i would go ahead and say have as many people as you want out there,

If they aren't wearing drive team badges, they usually won't get past queuing. Just sayin'.

[devg29]

Thanks for clarifying-- the only reason I asked is because I got yelled at by one of my teammates because "you could get a foul for having 3 people on the field," but like some of you said, I've never seen a rule for that, so I guess she was just being bossy (I was a freshman at the time, and she was a senior)