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Hello there
We want to control our system using switches, problem is, the the provided MicroSwitches can only be pressed from one direction. (e.g: only when our system goes up, but not down)
What switch can be pressed both ways without braking?
Sorry if I am unclear, english is not my primary language, and I lack much of the lyngo
Yoni Savransky
Team 4712
TracBots
Can you explain what you are trying to do? There may be a simple solution using the parts you already have.
Sure thing
To lift the totes up and down we have a system that goes up and down.
To regulate it's hight, we want to create "levels". a level for the height of 0 totes, a level for the height 1 tote and so on.
To know what level we are on we want to use a boolean sensor, that is pressed by the moving system. (we tried a sonar but it wasn't robust enough)
What I am searching for is that boolean sensor
Bob Steele
26-01-2015, 18:39
Could you not put limit switches at the various heights to achieve this control?
If switch one is closed ------- you are at level 1
If switch two is closed -------- you are at level 2 etc
I am not sure what you mean by a Boolean sensor....
In my mind a boolean sensor = a switch
Unless I am a complete idiot (which I may very well be) no, since they will break when the system comes down (or up, depends how you position them)
If you do have a solution in mind, please give me a picture or something, I want to be sure I understand what you are talking about
Thank you very much for the help
To lift the totes up and down we have a system that goes up and down.
To regulate it's hight, we want to create "levels". a level for the height of 0 totes, a level for the height 1 tote and so on
You could buy a string potentiometer and connect it to one of the roboRIO's analog inputs. That would tell you the exact height of your lift at any point.
Or if your lift is powered by a motor, you could attach a KoP encoder to a shaft to measure angle. A simple calculation converts the angle to lift height.
You could even use the measured height, along with the proper software, to make the lift go to a commanded position (so the driver doesn't have to manually guide it).
Bob Steele
26-01-2015, 18:49
Take a look at this switch
Its a roller plunger limit switch... it would work going both ways with some sort of pin on the moving piece.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#7076k26/=vn1q8t
Hope this helps..
This seems pretty much like what I need. Thank you
One more question, we have a few of these:
http://www.clasohlson.com/medias/sys_master/8873445556254.jpg
Can they be used for the same purpose?
I found these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roller-Plunger-Momentary-Switch-TM-1309/dp/B007Q81BTS online, just to make sure, will it work for us?
You could also use a beam-break sensor. It's a small light and a small receiver. In ordinary operation, a beam of light goes from the light source to the receiver. If the beam is interrupted by something (say, a tote), then there is something there.
This sort of thing used to be quite common in FRC for various applications.
You could also use a beam-break sensor.
If you are trying to do this with something much smaller than a tote (like a tab of angle aluminum), you can get an integrated system. Sparkfun also sells the breakout board. For about $4 you can have a sensor that's ready for a PWM-style cable that can plug directly into a DIO port. I just ordered ten of these yesterday, so I had the URL handy:
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9299
We used one of these (or something very similar) and a plastic disk with holes as an encoder on our first robot for Rebound Rumble.
Ben Wolsieffer
26-01-2015, 22:19
A roller rocker switch would probably also work (such as this (http://www.newark.com/omron-industrial-automation/wlca12-2-ts/limit-sw-adjustable-roller-lever/dp/94C0409?mckv=s6HoAo0Qq|pcrid|57087227661|plid|&CMP=KNC-GUSA-GEN-SHOPPING-OMRON_INDUSTRIAL_AUTOMATION)). I think there was one in the kit a couple of years ago, because we have a couple laying around.
Bob Steele
26-01-2015, 23:24
This seems pretty much like what I need. Thank you
One more question, we have a few of these:
http://www.clasohlson.com/medias/sys_master/8873445556254.jpg
Can they be used for the same purpose?
I found these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roller-Plunger-Momentary-Switch-TM-1309/dp/B007Q81BTS online, just to make sure, will it work for us?
You could try the limit switches that you have... I think they could work but you have to be careful about movement in both directions yielding the same push...
The UK switch would work fine... but don't forget those are from the UK and it might take awhile to get them... plus shipping... 3 weeks left....
There are a number of solutions to this... i agree that photo sensors would work well too... these would be more expensive (the ones we used on our robot were probably $50-$60 a piece ) but you could make them yourself... lots of DIY type photo sensors could work.
Another route you could take is to encode the motor that is driving your elevator and choose positions... more programming .... but an elegant solution.
Another idea is a string potentiometer like this one from AndyMark
http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-2618.htm
Definitely you want a pin or a tab on the elevator that activates any kind of limit switch. pins work nice.. could be something as simple as a bolt that sticks out of the frame.
good luck
Another route you could take is to encode the motor that is driving your elevator and choose positions... more programming .... but an elegant solution.
Another idea is a string potentiometer like this one from AndyMark
http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-2618.htm
I hear an echo (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1434334&postcount=6) :-)
Of course, with any of the roller or rocker switches, the switch should be beside the load so that as it moves past, it and shoves the roller or rocker aside. Alternately, it could be tucked safely behind the stop so that just the button sticks out. Somehow, you should ensure that your sensor doesn't get smashed when the load hits the stop a little faster than you intended.
We are probably going to end doing something like this: (sorry for my awful painting skills)
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2rcsi1e.jpg
Aside from the placement, which will have to be precise, what other problems may arise?
Brandon_L
27-01-2015, 16:17
I hear an echo (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1434334&postcount=6) :-)
A triple echo?
A potentiometer or an encoder, depending on how your powering your system up and down, is what you would want to use here. You can count the rotations of the motor that powers your system with an encoder and do some math to convert that into distance traveled, and just tell the system to go to X height with a PID loop or something. Something similar can be done with a potentiometer.
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