Filling pneumatic system in queue?

[jojoguy10]

Hi all!

We're trying to find a rule that says anything about starting up the robot and running the compressor to fill up our pneumatic air tanks. We are using an on-board compressor.

Thanks!

[JohnM]

That is completely okay. My team did all last year too, and I think we plan on doing it this year too.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

That is completely okay. My team did all last year.

This years rules =/= last years rules.

That said, it is legal to pre-charge your tanks before going on to the field.

[rich2202]

Most teams use an extra battery in the que to pre-charge.

[mackenzieg]

My team did this last year. I'd suggest bringing a battery with you in queue to fill the tanks, then switch to a new battery right before the match starts.

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[IndySam]

When we get back to the pits we do whatever repairs and updates we need to do with the last match battery still in the bot. Before we go out to queue we charge the pneumatics with that battery and then install a new one.

If your system is leaking enough to require a recharge while in line after precharging in the pits you need to work on the pneumatic systems to eliminate leaks.

As a caveat, we have been know when running late to perform the fill and battery change in the queuing line instead of in the pits.

[cgmv123]

Most teams use an extra battery in the que to pre-charge.

I'd suggest bringing a battery with you in queue to fill the tanks, then switch to a new battery right before the match starts.

Note that you still have to use the control system to fill the tanks; you can't just connect a separate battery directly to the compressor.

[Ether]

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[rich2202]

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[Ether]

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[GeeTwo]

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[Christopher149]

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[Sohaib]

This is legal provided you don't break any other rules in the process. I imagine this year during the time you assemble your robot, you could charge your tanks. (Provided it is safe to do so.)

[EricH]

This is legal provided you don't break any other rules in the process. I imagine this year during the time you assemble your robot, you could charge your tanks. (Provided it is safe to do so.)
Nuh-uh. You're on the field, putting your robot together, it's either off or disabled. The compressor only runs when the robot is enabled. And tethering up is illegal.

Now if you're changing from one Transport Configuration to another within the same volume, sure, knock yourself out, because you're in queue for that. (Just don't leave Transport Configuration to do that.)

[orangemoore]

This is legal provided you don't break any other rules in the process. I imagine this year during the time you assemble your robot, you could charge your tanks. (Provided it is safe to do so.)

But it won't be.

As pointed out by FIRST through some rule changes about re-enabling after a match noted that to do so could be dangerous for the volunteers getting the field ready for the next match. Even if you are just charging your pneumatics things could happen where your robot moves or does something unexpected that a volunteer isn't looking out for.

[jojoguy10]

Alright, I got my answer. Thanks everyone!

[rich2202]

Nuh-uh. You're on the field, putting your robot together, it's either off or disabled. The compressor only runs when the robot is enabled. And tethering up is illegal.


Tethering is only illegal on the field (violation of G9). There is no prohibition on tethering in the que. One rule to be careful of: Don't move the robot out of transport configuration while in the que (Q299).

[bEdhEd]

We've got an onboard compressor, and we made use of our older larger compressors by mounting three on one board so we can attach our robot to these offboard compressors, which are powered by their own battery, thus eliminating the need to tether. With three bigger compressorsrs charging the robot while it is off, we save onboard battery power, and fill up our tanks to the right pressure in less than a mere 10-20 seconds, to my estimation. I'll have to time this process so I have a concrete number.

[dradel]

We've got an onboard compressor, and we made use of our older larger compressors by mounting three on one board so we can attach our robot to these offboard compressors, which is powered by their own battery. With three compressors charging the robot while it is off, we save onboard battery power, and fill up our tanks to the right pressure in less than a mere 10-20 seconds, to my estimation. I'll have to time this process so I have a concrete number.


This is NOT LEGAL!!!!!

[orangemoore]

We've got an onboard compressor, and we made use of our older larger compressors by mounting three on one board so we can attach our robot to these offboard compressors, which is powered by their own battery. With three compressors charging the robot while it is off, we save onboard battery power, and fill up our tanks to the right pressure in less than a mere 10-20 seconds, to my estimation. I'll have to time this process so I have a concrete number.

This is not legal. Or safe.

[ATannahill]

We've got an onboard compressor, and we made use of our older larger compressors by mounting three on one board so we can attach our robot to these offboard compressors, which are powered by their own battery, thus eliminating the need to tether. With three bigger compressorsrs charging the robot while it is off, we save onboard battery power, and fill up our tanks to the right pressure in less than a mere 10-20 seconds, to my estimation. I'll have to time this process so I have a concrete number.

Frank,

All air on the robot must come from ONE compressor with a max flow rate of 1.05 controlled by the roboRIO. Your team agrees to this when signing the inspection sheet.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

We've got an onboard compressor, and we made use of our older larger compressors by mounting three on one board so we can attach our robot to these offboard compressors, which are powered by their own battery, thus eliminating the need to tether. With three bigger compressorsrs charging the robot while it is off, we save onboard battery power, and fill up our tanks to the right pressure in less than a mere 10-20 seconds, to my estimation. I'll have to time this process so I have a concrete number.

Just to be specific, here is the rule:

R68 Compressed air on the ROBOT must be provided by one and only one compressor. Compressor specifications may not
exceed nominal 12VDC, 1.05 cfm flow rate.