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SciBorg Dave
08-03-2015, 13:33
Where can we find matches from the Greater Toronto Central Regional?
I would like to see 1114 in action the score seem very high.
Bluman56
08-03-2015, 13:37
Greater Toronto Central Regional (http://new.livestream.com/WatchFIRSTNow/events/3839990) is archived on livestream.com, so I would suggest finding the matches they were in and scrolling through to find them (that's what I did at least).
SciBorg Dave
08-03-2015, 13:42
Greater Toronto Central Regional (http://new.livestream.com/WatchFIRSTNow/events/3839990) is archived on livestream.com, so I would suggest finding the matches they were in and scrolling through to find them (that's what I did at least).
That did not work for me any other places ?
David8696
09-03-2015, 13:07
Request seconded; the LiveStream video, for whatever reason, is no longer available. Did anyone happen to capture it and upload it to Youtube or other?
We've got all matches at GTRC recorded and they will be up eventually. Don't have a timeline sorry.
David8696
09-03-2015, 13:59
No problem, just hoping to watch at some point :)
Twins Inc.
09-03-2015, 14:02
Here it is! It's amazing, 6 those in about 15 seconds. (http://youtu.be/S2cJvtWxuAg)
David8696
09-03-2015, 14:06
Here it is! It's amazing, 6 those in about 15 seconds. (http://youtu.be/S2cJvtWxuAg)
Also a container. Absolutely insane.
Christopher149
09-03-2015, 14:20
Here it is! It's amazing, 6 those in about 15 seconds. (http://youtu.be/S2cJvtWxuAg)
I seem to notice them exceeding the 78" height limit with their narrow, black RC grabber? around 1:50, looking like it unintentionally bent up at some point in the match (it's down at 0:50). What are the penalties (if any) for that?
I will have all the matches from GTRC up later tonight.
Sorry to keep you all waiting.
FRCTop10
09-03-2015, 14:21
Hey guys here is a video of a practice match for FRC1114
http://youtu.be/emDUF6HXG6U
I seem to notice them exceeding the 78" height limit with their narrow, black RC grabber? around 1:50, looking like it unintentionally bent up at some point in the match (it's down at 0:50). What are the penalties (if any) for that?
G22: Violation: FOUL. If strategic, offending ROBOT will be DISABLED
Batterink
09-03-2015, 14:43
To me their ability to stack fast isn't their best quality (though really good and impressive). It's their ability to drive like a maniac with a full stack and it stay. I don't think I've seen any other robots do that without having to use mechanisms to enclose the entire stack.
akoscielski3
09-03-2015, 14:53
I seem to notice them exceeding the 78" height limit with their narrow, black RC grabber? around 1:50, looking like it unintentionally bent up at some point in the match (it's down at 0:50). What are the penalties (if any) for that?
Early on in the regional we were having issues with the string that is attached to those poles getting cut by our sheet metal. We have now fixed this issue and it should not happen again. The referee knew this was not strategic and we were only called for a single FOUL.
Connor Mulkey
09-03-2015, 18:26
To me their ability to stack fast isn't their best quality (though really good and impressive). It's their ability to drive like a maniac with a full stack and it stay. I don't think I've seen any other robots do that without having to use mechanisms to enclose the entire stack.
I think I have to agree. Their stacking is so incredibly fast, but their ability to move that entire stack as quickly as they do to the scoring platform is what is most impressive. It's that ability that truly sets them apart from others at the highest level of play.
I have to completely agree with the movement speed being the most differentiating factor. They still intake and stack fast, but it's the freedom of movement that's so advantageous. When we get a full stack, we naturally slow down to get it scored on the platform. They don't. They can still drive like a banshee and not have to worry about the stack stability. That's incredibly impressive. Again, job well done 1114. This may be your most inspiring robot to date. And that's saying something.
Twins Inc.
09-03-2015, 19:39
I think I have to agree. Their stacking is so incredibly fast, but their ability to move that entire stack as quickly as they do to the scoring platform is what is most impressive. It's that ability that truly sets them apart from others at the highest level of play.
I Can't help but point out that the entire stack is tilted back a bit when they are on flat ground because their back wheel is lower then the other two. This i would imagine does wonders to move the whole stack in a stable fashion. Anyways, when they go onto the ramp, the two front wheels are off to the side, the back wheel is higher because its on the ramp, and suddenly the whole stack is flat.
Well done!! :D
Here it is! It's amazing, 6 those in about 15 seconds. (http://youtu.be/S2cJvtWxuAg)
Just checking to see if this is the right link. It seems to show only a little of 1114.
Pravin N
09-03-2015, 20:50
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emDUF6HXG6U&feature=youtu.be
i agree with all the above its amazing to see how fast they can go without losing the stack and in fact watching it sway back and forth
ThunderousPrime
09-03-2015, 22:41
Quarters 4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzeSsgWorFI
186pts, 4 6 stacks with RCs.
And stacked tote set in auto. How did I forget about the stacked tote set.
Tyler2517
09-03-2015, 22:56
Quarters 4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzeSsgWorFI
186pts, 4 6 stacks with RCs.
That is amazing... I can't even....
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emDUF6HXG6U&feature=youtu.be
I apologize ahead of time, but this seems like a perfectly justifiable response...
Holy. $@#$@#$@#$@#. :eek:
*slow clap*
Christopher149
09-03-2015, 23:21
Quarters 4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzeSsgWorFI
186pts, 4 6 stacks with RCs.
And stacked tote set in auto. How did I forget about the stacked tote set.
Is that ramp part of Simbotics? And is the third robot just sitting on the field (behind the monitor blocking the view)? What's the story there?
Wow just wow. The level of thought and engineering that went into the claw that grabs the RC and rights them to the bin grab and stack (placeholder) to the level of movement is just amazing. Haven't seen a 1114 up to this caliber until this year. It takes the cake.
I have to completely agree with the movement speed being the most differentiating factor. They still intake and stack fast, but it's the freedom of movement that's so advantageous. When we get a full stack, we naturally slow down to get it scored on the platform. They don't. They can still drive like a banshee and not have to worry about the stack stability. That's incredibly impressive. Again, job well done 1114. This may be your most inspiring robot to date. And that's saying something.
Everything is fast and fluid. After they score a stack, the claw that hold the RC drops back down in about a second. I have to wonder if there is a lot of automation going on with the mechanisms that builds the stacks. It would be virtually impossible for a driver to know when to "press the button" since they are usually facing away from the drivers. The only robot that comes close in stacking speed (single robot) is Red Crusade (4613, a rookie!) and they use a lot of automation to get their stacking speed.
VPpanther
10-03-2015, 00:33
yea the ramp was attached to the third robot, and I believe it didn't move.
dtengineering
10-03-2015, 00:38
When 148 posted their reveal video there were several people ready to just hand them the championship.
Not to take away from 148's obvious awesomeness, nor to suggest that 148 and 1114 wouldn't be perfectly happy as allies...
but did I just hear those folks saying "Game ON!"
I expect 1114 to be good, but... wow. That's insane.
Jason
Twins Inc.
10-03-2015, 00:46
Everything is fast and fluid. After they score a stack, the claw that hold the RC drops back down in about a second. I have to wonder if there is a lot of automation going on with the mechanisms that builds the stacks. It would be virtually impossible for a driver to know when to "press the button" since they are usually facing away from the drivers. The only robot that comes close in stacking speed (single robot) is Red Crusade (4613, a rookie!) and they use a lot of automation to get their stacking speed.
I would imagine that once the Driver gets the totes into the wheels/pinchers (it looks like a crab :P ) and thus into the robot body the rest is automated. You are right, it is too fluid, consistent, and accurate to be the driver alone.
Everything is fast and fluid. After they score a stack, the claw that hold the RC drops back down in about a second. I have to wonder if there is a lot of automation going on with the mechanisms that builds the stacks. It would be virtually impossible for a driver to know when to "press the button" since they are usually facing away from the drivers. The only robot that comes close in stacking speed (single robot) is Red Crusade (4613, a rookie!) and they use a lot of automation to get their stacking speed.Actually, I'd suspect the RC claw height is passive. But yes, there seems to be a lot that's automatic, either in software or in physics.
AFAIK, the RC claw lift is unpowered. Gravity is all that makes that claw fall down.
Alex2614
10-03-2015, 04:21
Actually, I'd suspect the RC claw height is passive. But yes, there seems to be a lot that's automatic, either in software or in physics.
Yeah definitely looks like gravity is the only thing feeding the RC claw. Which is very clever
Batterink
10-03-2015, 09:27
I wonder if they use (or could use) a constant force spring on the can holder to push down slightly, helping stabilize the stack.
Kevin Sevcik
10-03-2015, 10:21
I think a lot of their stack stability comes from that claw. If you look close in slow-mo (cause they're moving too fast otherwise) you can see a shiny bit below the red claw at the back. When they've lifted 2 totes, the claw briefly releases and drops to the top of the totes, then closes again with that shiny bit at/below the top edge of the top tote. It's important enough that they actually pause all that insanity until the claw re-engages. So that claw isn't just an RC grabber, it's also for capturing the top tote. Holding that tote with a little downward pressure would definitely make a much more stable stack.
FIMAlumni
10-03-2015, 10:28
Ton's of tiny details make this robot so impressive. I enjoyed watching the HP poke the ramp down with a noodle once it was needed. Before that it was up against the wall and out of the way.
FRCTop10
10-03-2015, 11:56
I will have all the matches from GTRC up later tonight.
Sorry to keep you all waiting.
Did you happen to get the videos uploaded last night? If so, link?
Maybe you can even email a few to review as I will be finishing the FRCTop10 video for top plays for week 2 today. Thanks.
frctop10@gmail
DampRobot
10-03-2015, 17:10
I wonder if they use (or could use) a constant force spring on the can holder to push down slightly, helping stabilize the stack.
I would agree. 1114 is too smart to trust something as important as their claw return to gravity alone.
Ichlieberoboter
10-03-2015, 17:33
WOW. UNBELIEVABLE.
Kevin Sevcik
10-03-2015, 18:19
I would agree. 1114 is too smart to trust something as important as their claw return to gravity alone.Gravity is actually well known for its reliability. It just doesn't have a good power to weight ratio. And, of course, it depends on keeping the wheels the right way down.
Looks like the claw takes 16ish frames to fall, which is slightly faster than gravity alone for 78 inches. So yeah, the have something on there to help it along.
Sorry everyone, I got sick from all the traveling. The GTRC video's are uploading as we speak.
- Adam
mman1506
10-03-2015, 18:43
Looks like the claw takes 16ish frames to fall, which is slightly faster than gravity alone for 78 inches. So yeah, the have something on there to help it along.
As someone who was lucky enough to see this bot in person there's definitely nothing but gravity pulling it down.
As someone who was lucky enough to see this bot in person there's definitely nothing but gravity pulling it down.
I would love to see it in person or at least some close-up photos. Our lift carriage was sticking pretty badly at first due to all sorts of misalignments.
Sorry everyone, I got sick from all the traveling. The GTRC video's are uploading as we speak.
- Adam
Most Quals are up. http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives
z_beeblebrox
10-03-2015, 19:43
Should have been disabled and DQ'd per the rules. It does not state intentional or unintentional. The rule is very clear. Sorry I am a rule follower. All of this plays into design and mechanical build to work correctly during a match.
It is a great robot although!
Why do you think it is illegal?
Looking forward to seeing video of the finals...
Kevin Sevcik
10-03-2015, 20:36
As someone who was lucky enough to see this bot in person there's definitely nothing but gravity pulling it down.Well 18 frames is about how long a gravity drop from 78" should take, so I guess I must've missed some of the slower acceleration at the beginning. And/or it's not dropping a full 78".
Well 18 frames is about how long a gravity drop from 78" should take, so I guess I must've missed some of the slower acceleration at the beginning. And/or it's not dropping a full 78".
It definitely doesn't drop the full 78". The claw's resting point is well above the height of a single tote -- the RC gets pushed upwards in the claw by the totes below it.
Aidan H.
10-03-2015, 21:12
After some digging, I was able to actually get a pretty good understanding of their passive (-ish) lift. It seems like there is no vertical actuation of the tall lift at all that is only for the bin holder (it can go up by itself). It looks like there is actually some surgical tubing passively pulling the bin holder down (easily seen at ~30 sec in video), so that it can't "bounce" off the top of the stack while one is being made or when the stack is jiggling around. Also, when 1114 grabs a can, they have to first lift it to the height of 1 tote, which is actually done with the use of their normal "tote lifters" pushing their can grabber up while it is holding a can (at ~25 sec, little spinner is rotating to confirm the "tote lift" being run). It is not clear, at least from the video I can find, how the can grabber is kept at the 1 tote height after being lifted there, but there is a chance that there is a passive 1-way latch mechanism that locks it to (/above) that 1 tote height when the bin grabber is closed (dual use mechanism, can clamp on bins, and engage lift latch). The can grabber can drop all the way to the bottom and miss the latch because the can grabber is always open when it drops to the bottom, and (I presume) was designed to miss the locking level when the grabber was in the open state.
This is all just speculation as to what might be at work behind that beautiful red powdercoat, and it will probably be thoroughly explained when they post their robot poster for SideSwipe.
I am absolutely astounded by the complexity and simplicity that went into this robot, and the level of foresight that was paid to how this game would play out. Intaking fast and being able to sturdily handle a full stack seemed to have been top priorities for 1114, and they were definitely able to achieve them.
Here's the video that I referenced up there (Quarters 8): 2015 - Greater Toronto Central Regional - Quarter Final - 8 (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives/121843795)
(watch in HD for a better view)
mman1506
10-03-2015, 21:20
It looks like there is actually some surgical tubing passively pulling the bin holder down (easily seen at ~30 sec in video), so that it can't "bounce" off the top of the stack while one is being made or when the stack is jiggling around
That is just spiral pneumatic tubing that connects to the pneumatic actuator on the bin grabber.
Aidan H.
10-03-2015, 21:34
That is just spiral pneumatic tubing that connects to the pneumatic actuator on the bin grabber.
It actually seems like it might have been some surgical tubing that was tied on at a later time in the competition, as it seems to be absent at ~37 sec in this (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives/121836928) video (Qual 30), but was there in at least their 2nd quarter final (QF8 (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives/121843795) at ~30 sec).
If it isn't spiral pneumatic tubing, I don't know where their pneumatics would be run through as I can't spot them (yet).
Mike Marandola
10-03-2015, 21:50
It actually seems like it might have been some surgical tubing that was tied on at a later time in the competition, as it seems to be absent at ~37 sec in this (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives/121836928) video (Qual 30), but was there in at least their 2nd quarter final (QF8 (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives/121843795) at ~30 sec).
If it isn't spiral pneumatic tubing, I don't know where their pneumatics would be run through as I can't spot them (yet).
http://i.imgur.com/gtIBn2U.jpg
I am pretty sure what you believe to be surgical tubing is actually the spiral air tubing. If there was surgical tubing stretched that distance, it would drop much faster. I think the cylinder is visible in the picture as well.
FIRST_Parent
10-03-2015, 21:58
Most Quals are up. http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives
Thanks Bochek for these video's. Much appreciated. :) :)
Aidan H.
10-03-2015, 22:02
I am pretty sure what you believe to be surgical tubing is actually the spiral tubing. If there was surgical tubing stretched that distance, it would drop much faster. I think the cylinder is visible in the picture as well.
Yeah, you're right. Sorry about that. I guess the video just is pretty hard to see clearly enough.
On that note, does anyone have some close-up photos of any mechanisms?
Though in the future, I wouldn't be surprised to see something like a constant force spring pulling the lift down, as it definitely seems advantageous to have downward pressure on the stack (but gravity is probably enough). It also might just not matter; it's working perfectly as it is.
After some digging, I was able to actually get a pretty good understanding of their passive (-ish) lift. It seems like there is no vertical actuation of the tall lift at all that is only for the bin holder (it can go up by itself). It looks like there is actually some surgical tubing passively pulling the bin holder down (easily seen at ~30 sec in video), so that it can't "bounce" off the top of the stack while one is being made or when the stack is jiggling around. Also, when 1114 grabs a can, they have to first lift it to the height of 1 tote, which is actually done with the use of their normal "tote lifters" pushing their can grabber up while it is holding a can (at ~25 sec, little spinner is rotating to confirm the "tote lift" being run). It is not clear, at least from the video I can find, how the can grabber is kept at the 1 tote height after being lifted there, but there is a chance that there is a passive 1-way latch mechanism that locks it to (/above) that 1 tote height when the bin grabber is closed (dual use mechanism, can clamp on bins, and engage lift latch). The can grabber can drop all the way to the bottom and miss the latch because the can grabber is always open when it drops to the bottom, and (I presume) was designed to miss the locking level when the grabber was in the open state.
This is all just speculation as to what might be at work behind that beautiful red powdercoat, and it will probably be thoroughly explained when they post their robot poster for SideSwipe.
I am absolutely astounded by the complexity and simplicity that went into this robot, and the level of foresight that was paid to how this game would play out. Intaking fast and being able to sturdily handle a full stack seemed to have been top priorities for 1114, and they were definitely able to achieve them.
Here's the video that I referenced up there (Quarters 8): 2015 - Greater Toronto Central Regional - Quarter Final - 8 (http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives/121843795)
(watch in HD for a better view)
For the RC flip, it looks like they have a low arm (2"-4" high from the ground) that comes out and pushes on (or holds) the lower rim of the RC bottom, while the intake wheels pull the RC in. This creates a torque for the RC to rotate up. Look at ~63 sec of the game clock. The low push arm that comes out is not colored.
Tyler2517
10-03-2015, 22:13
For the RC flip, it looks like they have a low arm (2"-4" high from the ground) that comes out and pushes on (or holds) the lower rim of the RC bottom, while the intake wheels pull the RC in. This creates a torque for the RC to rotate up. Look at ~63 sec of the game clock. The low push arm that comes out is not colored.
Wow so much attention to detail every part of the stacking process is automated down to the second.... That is such a small detail but is super effective
For the RC flip, it looks like they have a low arm (2"-4" high from the ground) that comes out and pushes on (or holds) the lower rim of the RC bottom, while the intake wheels pull the RC in. This creates a torque for the RC to rotate up. Look at ~63 sec of the game clock. The low push arm that comes out is not colored.
Here is a picture of the push/hold arm, posted in the GTRC thread by EddtG or #1285. You can see it clearly here.
https://www.facebook.com/FIRSTRoboticsCanada/photos/a.917636841634703.1073741872.125661567498905/917715938293460/?type=3&theater
Here is a closer look at 1114 from the side, including AUTONOMOUS !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7-NigYFrWo
If you watch the video a long black like antennae comes well above the legal height limit. The rule states at no time can a robot exceed 78" during the match and if it does its gets disabled and DQ'd.
It does not allow for a mechanical breakdown or malfunction. It is one of the simplest rules they have with no grey area.
This is in the first video posted on this thread.
Aren Siekmeier
11-03-2015, 07:38
If you watch the video a long black like antennae comes well above the legal height limit. The rule states at no time can a robot exceed 78" during the match and if it does its gets disabled and DQ'd.
It does not allow for a mechanical breakdown or malfunction. It is one of the simplest rules they have with no grey area.
This is in the first video posted on this thread.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1455584&postcount=14
From this thread I have learned that the Simbots will never ally with the Poofs.
Otherwise they'll have to make a movie about what happens when Transformers and Decepticons get along, and that would be quite boring.
Batterink
11-03-2015, 09:39
From this thread I have learned that the Simbots will never ally with the Poofs.
Otherwise they'll have to make a movie about what happens when Transformers and Decepticons get along, and that would be quite boring.
Political thriller
If you watch the video a long black like antennae comes well above the legal height limit. The rule states at no time can a robot exceed 78" during the match and if it does its gets disabled and DQ'd.
It does not allow for a mechanical breakdown or malfunction. It is one of the simplest rules they have with no grey area.
This is in the first video posted on this thread.
You should read the entire rule before calling them out.
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