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MrForbes
10-03-2015, 01:22
It looks like 330 figured out what's important in this game!
brandon.cottrell
10-03-2015, 01:39
Ah geez. Welp, we may as well give up now.
Looks awesome, can't wait to see this in action later this week.
I'm particularly curious how difficult it is to pick up three RCs that may or may not be in various states of disarray.
steelerborn
10-03-2015, 02:45
An auto code that picks up all three would be best. Orientation is guaranteed and also placement. Plus it is time they would not have to spend during telop.
MooreteP
10-03-2015, 06:37
Requires a Canburglar.
My new favorite descriptor.
Kevin Sevcik
10-03-2015, 08:53
I'm also curious about the time savings for picking up 3 RCs vs. 1 at a time.
Plus, you start with only 3. Depending on robot capabilities, you might be waiting around an awful lot of the match with those 3 RCs. Or driving around stacking with them. I suppose you could spend some of the time in front of the HP station getting noodled, though.
IronicDeadBird
10-03-2015, 10:36
I like it a lot except I thought only two of those cans would count in that orientation. Is it just like that so your totes wall off the other side for secrecy?
g_sawchuk
10-03-2015, 10:40
Oh, I'll take that can now. Maybe that one too. And that one.
Awesome mechanism.
If you don't get it in autonomous though, you will be in big trouble. Otherwise you risk getting the bins tipped over, and it doesn't seem like this mechanism would worked for tipped cans. Does this extend to the step? And "can the cans" get noodled while in the organism?
Good luck at competition.
tindleroot
10-03-2015, 11:14
I like it a lot except I thought only two of those cans would count in that orientation. Is it just like that so your totes wall off the other side for secrecy?
All of those bins count as long as they are not supporting each other's weight.
IronicDeadBird
10-03-2015, 11:21
All of those bins count as long as they are not supporting each other's weight.
Thought it was one bin per stack though. BRB rule digging
All of those bins count as long as they are not supporting each other's weight.
Thought it was one bin per stack though. BRB rule digging
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A RECYCLING CONTAINER is scored if it is fully supported by only scored Gray TOTES. Points for a scored RECYCLING
CONTAINER are awarded based on the lowest LEVEL in which any portion of the RECYCLING CONTAINER resides.
MrForbes
10-03-2015, 11:39
I noticed Poofs putting two containers on a stack in practice in CVR, and didn't see it again...not sure what's up with the scoring of more than one container per stack. The rule above seems to indicate it's scored by level, so as long as it's supported by gray totes, all the containers count, no matter how many stacks. And I didn't read the other thread that probably discussed this, because I was "busy".
Explanations and rule or Q&A citations welcome...
AdamHeard
10-03-2015, 11:55
Rules are clear, it counts.
Also, I love how people nit pick when top teams post designs to make themselves feel better.
"1114 can't pick up upside down totes.... ha! gotcha! they have a flaw!"
"330 will have trouble picking up 3 containers, that's not easy! Those idiots overlooked it"
You're talking about teams that are not only capable all around, but think of things at the system level more than others. They factor in drive practice, skill, mechanisms, automation, etc. etc. to figure out the optimal solution (for their constraints and resources) for the game. What is difficult for you, is possibly far easier for them. They also don't make assumptions (hmmm, let's not try that, it's hard!) and test items to prove they are too difficult/hard before writing them off.
Kevin Sheridan
10-03-2015, 13:35
I noticed Poofs putting two containers on a stack in practice in CVR, and didn't see it again...not sure what's up with the scoring of more than one container per stack. The rule above seems to indicate it's scored by level, so as long as it's supported by gray totes, all the containers count, no matter how many stacks. And I didn't read the other thread that probably discussed this, because I was "busy".
Explanations and rule or Q&A citations welcome...
Q. Can more than one recycle bin be scored on the same stack if they are both fully supported by the tote stack?
2015-01-08 by FRC0237
A. Yes, per Section 3.1.2.3, a RECYCLING CONTAINER is scored if it is fully supported by only scored Gray TOTES.
2015-01-09
Published by GDC
https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/55/can-more-than-one-recycle-bin-be-scored-on-the-same-stack-if-they-are-both-fully-supported-by-the-tote-stack
Abhishek R
10-03-2015, 13:57
Rules are clear, it counts.
Also, I love how people nit pick when top teams post designs to make themselves feel better.
"1114 can't pick up upside down totes.... ha! gotcha! they have a flaw!"
"330 will have trouble picking up 3 containers, that's not easy! Those idiots overlooked it"
You're talking about teams that are not only capable all around, but think of things at the system level more than others. They factor in drive practice, skill, mechanisms, automation, etc. etc. to figure out the optimal solution (for their constraints and resources) for the game. What is difficult for you, is possibly far easier for them. They also don't make assumptions (hmmm, let's not try that, it's hard!) and test items to prove they are too difficult/hard before writing them off.
Part of the "Armchair Analyst" syndrome
mdiradoorian
10-03-2015, 14:09
If the driver has enough practice I am sure they would be able to do this nearly every match. From my experience 330 always has a great driver for their robots. Can't wait to see it happen this weekend.
i am going to be completely honest and say i am extremely disappointed that i didn't pick up on this when i went through the rules that would have been such a nice thing to know at our first event.
now would this count you have a 5 tote stack with all totes facing length way you place two totes on top of that facing width was such that both totes are next to each other on the top so both count as a sixth level then placing two recycle bin on top of each tote turning 1-six stack into 2 six stacks
"330 will have trouble picking up 3 containers, that's not easy! Those idiots overlooked it"
I don't recall anyone calling them idiots.
Not everyone is nitpicking, most are just observations.
i am going to be completely honest and say i am extremely disappointed that i didn't pick up on this when i went through the rules that would have been such a nice thing to know at our first event.
now would this count you have a 5 tote stack with all totes facing length way you place two totes on top of that facing width was such that both totes are next to each other on the top so both count as a sixth level then placing two recycle bin on top of each tote turning 1-six stack into 2 six stacksCans score by level. Totes score as totes, not as stacks. Assuming this was done correctly, you'd get points for (2) Level 6 Cans and points for 7 Totes.
Pauline Tasci
10-03-2015, 16:04
Really pumped for the reveal.
I'm really interested to see how fast they can grab those RC's. I'm sure as we progress through the season and on to championship the grabbers won't take that long to obtain the RCs.
Center RC's are the Minibots this year.
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