Team 359 VS Team 610 Can Wars in Hawaii Finals

[waialua359]

Here is the closeup link provided by team 368.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNPW2zrg9Xs&feature=youtu.be

For the record, we had a great time with 610 attending the event and talked story about it afterwards. We knew it would get interesting and everyone else that competed wanted to see it.
610's second stage of their arm on the left side (not shown) broke off, while our claw parts flew off. FTA thinks we lost com, then our wheels kept spinning, burning tread on 6 wheels. We had to disable the robot.
The most hilarious part was spending so much time with the volunteers looking for our claw piece after the match, never finding it.
After the event, Rob from 610 came to our pit. It was in their robot after the match and they returned it to us.:p
They also donated their broken carbon fiber arm to us to put in our trophy case.

[cglrcng]

It was bound to happen. Thank you for sharing the video.

This will be an interesting Championships. Many things can & will happen often.

[skatsu]

I think there are a few more videos our team has of the epic can war that started from sf6! Should be posted up soon. Btw congratulations again!

[Edxu]

this was our first experience having to fight tooth and nail for the bins, so we were also very excited to see how it would turn out.

my favourite part of the match was the period right after auton, because it was a race to the driver station, and everyone held their breath.

thanks for a great regional!
we learned a ton about your Aloha culture, and we'll try to bring it to Toronto regionals next season.

[Jonathan Norris]

Glenn,

Thanks for sharing, we had a ton of fun with the can-grabbing wars. Here is our video from Semi's 6 where we were going for 4 bins, we stopped 368 from fully getting one bin even when they got there first, and some how you guys broke the other side of our arm with your impact. Something I am still trying to figure out is how we got 24 points in penalties even though we were clearly within the step (on top of the back side of the bins) when we made contact with both 368 and 359. That's something I'm sure we would all like to be clarified before champs.

HUGE shout-out to our programing team for dialing in the distance within inches so we didn't go over the back of the bins.

We still won this semi's match at least :D

https://www.dropbox.com/s/an9biyyt8va7p4i/semi's%206.mov?dl=0

[skatsu]

thanks 610 never disappointing to watch you guys in action! Last year we had the pleasure of partnering with you folks and had a good time at worlds when we put up some killer points on the Newton division field in quals! We were definitely excited when we found out you were coming to Hawaii. This year it was the epic can wars we all expected to happen. I'm glad you folks made it to Hawaii and I hope guys come back again next year! And also big shout out to your captain 3132 thunder down under and 3721 as well!

[Gdeaver]

The can wars have started. Soon it will be a worlds war.

[Rob Stehlik]

Team 610 had a great time in Hawaii. First off I would like to say a big mahalo to Glenn and all of team 359 for your help with the logistics of getting our team and robot to Hawaii. Also, lending us 6 of your batteries was a huge help as well.
We really enjoyed the level of competition, especially the fact that playing with so many great stacking robots allowed us to focus on what our robot was designed for: stealing and capping bins.
We had such a great time working with our Aussie brothers 3132, and their stacking machine really carried the alliance. Also, 3721 was an absolute steal for a second pick. The fact that they could stack and cap on their own helped so much, and it was nice to have three robots working together in the finals.
The only negative experience we had was not being allowed to use our time out. When the arms first broke, we raced back to the pits to try and repair them, and asked the officials for a time out. We also repeatedly had our drive team try and submit the coupon. Every time we were told that we couldn't call a time out when the field was in a time out. Which led me to ask what the purpose of a time out was if we weren't allowed to use it. I never got a straight answer.
Anyway, that frustration aside, we had a great time, learned a lot, and couldn't think of a more worthy opponent to trade broken robot parts with.

[Toa Circuit]

How did fouls work out on this? Or were there any? (Should there be any?)

[Jean Tenca]

Wow this was both painful and super exciting to watch. Thanks for posting it!

[Matt_Boehm_329]

How did fouls work out on this? Or were there any? (Should there be any?)

I was wondering the same thing. I know a ruling was made for incidental contact over the step (somewhere, I don't have a link) but I don't know if that included anything on the other side of the step (anything reaching past the bins to grab them)

[scca229]

The only negative experience we had was not being allowed to use our time out. When the arms first broke, we raced back to the pits to try and repair them, and asked the officials for a time out. We also repeatedly had our drive team try and submit the coupon. Every time we were told that we couldn't call a time out when the field was in a time out. Which led me to ask what the purpose of a time out was if we weren't allowed to use it. I never got a straight answer.

Without knowing the particulars of when the match occurred, I can at least explain how the timeouts work in the playoffs. If there is a "field timeout", ie. a forced cool down period in effect due to a back-to-back match situation, it is 6 minutes long (360 seconds on the countdown clock) from the green lights turning on. You have 2 minutes (until 240 showing on the countdown clock) to submit your timeout. At that time the clock will be put back to 360 seconds and continue down. Basically if the field is in a timeout already, you would only gain a maximum of 2 minutes past the field timeout already in progress and only if you submit it at 2 minutes in.

[waialua359]

Based on the rules as we read it, a red card is issued for intentional or egregious (flagrant) foul. The head ref explained that a foul would be issued if contact occured on our side of the field the 1st time, and then maybe a red card should the situation repeat and robot(s) get damaged.

After semifinals match #6 in which the 1st of 3 Can battles occurred, 610's 2 stage carbon fiber arms did come over the cans and lock with our claws from our arms. When teleop started, as we tried to drive forward, the left side of the 2nd stage of 610's arm snapped off along with various claw pieces from our arm.
There were 24 points in penalties. We were told that 610's alliance received 4 because, when their arm flexes into our side of the field, it still constitutes a penalty for each game piece and robot(s) touched on our side. If the pole flexes, a penalty is assessed each time it bounces back to hit our robot. Personally, I am not sure what the exact fouls were, other than when 368 moved forward in auto and 610s arm with it contacting their can grabber.
After that match, the head ref told our driver (captain) that if our robot was damaged again in a similar situation where 610s robot was on our side of the field, they would assess a red card. The head ref also said she had spoken to them also, but we do not know exactly what she told them. All we cared about in the heat of the moment was getting those center cans. :)
In the match shown in the link above, which was Finals Match #1 (2nd encounter of the can battles), we chose to just drive back and not lift our claws up until teleop. However, as the video shows, arms from both robots still somehow deadlocked.
In summary, having this opportunity to go head to head with 610 was exciting. We both wanted to do it, to see how things would pan out.
With the ability to change speeds of the robot from the driver station, and whether or not we wanted the claws raised during auto made it quite interesting as we tried to adjust on the fly as did 610 with their many modes of auto in acquiring the cans.

As for the timeout situation with 610, I'm sorry to have heard that after the competition was over. All I know is that during our elimination matches, the FTA was using his stopwatch to make sure 368 was setting up on time, causing some stress on our alliance to make sure we did it as fast as we could.

-Glenn

[billylo]

The Can Wars were crazy at the end and very exciting. Here is a video on F1. (JNo's was Semi-6 when our carbon fiber arm broke on contact.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8rHPPPfQKg

Our boys are thinking hard to improve the design for champs. Stay tuned for SkyHawk v3. :-) We are looking forward to more of these head-to-head races.

[3132MentorMike]

It was a fantastic set of matches that we got to play. I think all the participants showed amazing GP under some very stressful circumstances. The poise and calm that our alliance partners, 610, showed when their robot was damaged taking one for the alliance is a lesson in FRC class. And Pearl City Robotics, 3721, was a great contributor in terms of working together as a single unit.

And I am in awe of the generosity shown by the opposing alliance, 359, 368, and 3880.

In every sense, this was a truly great match-up to be a part of.