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SciBorg Dave
04-04-2015, 00:05
51 teams over 100 QP
8th place 140 QP
Great matches and can wars heating up
OH! what FUN
Ichlieberoboter
04-04-2015, 00:23
Sounds fun!
A: Who's advancing?
B: Any video links?
I'm most impressed by how the tight the competition is all the way through.
For reference: As I'm writing this 1114 and 2056 are ranked 2 and 3 at windsor essex. If you simply took their current Qual avg. and added it into the mix at PNW, they would be ranked 2 and 25.
michael.nord
04-04-2015, 00:34
Sounds fun!
A: Who's advancing?
B: Any video links?
https://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTWAVideo/videos
http://frc-districtrankings.usfirst.org/PNW
Mike Marandola
04-04-2015, 01:13
I'm most impressed by how the tight the competition is all the way through.
For reference: As I'm writing this 1114 and 2056 are ranked 2 and 3 at windsor essex. If you simply took their current Qual avg. and added it into the mix at PNW, they would be ranked 2 and 25.
While it is interesting to compare, Qualification Average is not the best metric for comparing teams between events. I'm sure if 1114 and 2056 were at PNW their averages would be much higher.
I completely agree. The thing that interests me is how there is so many teams that are comparatively very close in ranking. The largest difference between any two teams ranked next to each other (eg: rank 33 to 34, or 7 to 8) is 6.8. If you exclude the first ranked and last ranked teams the largest gap is just 3.
Compared to a 35 point difference between 1114 and 2056 right now.
Every match is shuffling the rankings as a result. Great from an alumni spectator aspect.
dtengineering
04-04-2015, 02:36
Although I'm not surprised by the fact that the top teams have high averages, it is impressive how many teams have high averages.
It is clear that a lot of teams picked up their game between districts competitions and district championships and that the number of very good teams in PNW has expanded drastically since moving to the district model.
I can't believe that there is a volunteer corps dedicated enough to make seven weeks of robotics competitions run like clockwork... but in just two seasons it has clearly had a positive impact on PNW team awesomeness.
If you think this level of performance is impressive, congratulate a team, but thank a volunteer!
Jason
jojoguy10
04-04-2015, 09:36
I agree either everything! The fact that so many teams have 100+ averages is amazing! And the fact that the top 8 teams are actually pretty close to each other. They are going to change places a couple of times I'm thinking :-)
jojoguy10
04-04-2015, 10:07
#PNWisBetter!
I do wonder though, how much of this phenomenon is PNW being good, versus the District model giving teams more playtime to iron out the kinks, and the DCMP being an invite-only of the best teams in the region
IN's DCMP is similarly strong this week, and MSC has been routinely one of the strongest events outside of CMP and IRI for the last 6 years.
I do wonder though, how much of this phenomenon is PNW being good, versus the District model giving teams more playtime to iron out the kinks, and the DCMP being an invite-only of the best teams in the region
IN's DCMP is similarly strong this week, and MSC has been routinely one of the strongest events outside of CMP and IRI for the last 6 years.
Well, when you bring together teams that would most likely be Regional Winner/Finalist/Semi-Finalist, that event is inherently going to be good. You do that almost anywhere and you'd get the numbers PNW is getting.
Well, when you bring together teams that would most likely be Regional Winner/Finalist/Semi-Finalist, that event is inherently going to be good. You do that almost anywhere and you'd get the numbers PNW is getting.
Right. There is a reason DCMPs are strong events.
But some of it *is* an improvement in the prowess of the teams there, both, I think, as the season progresses (and they get more playtime) but ALSO I think that increase in playtime has a positive effect on future years too, where teams have learned more things that don't work and become better at designing FRC robots.
I think the district model has really improved all of our teams, even those of us who didn't make it to regionals. Giving them a scrimmage (THANK you, FIRST FORCE!) and 2 districts to iron out bugs and make improvements with their 6-hour unbagging times is really a positive change. It really is a better teaching tool, as teams can review performance, think of ways to make the robots and drivers more effective, work on clearer strategies, and much more.
On the other hand...I am still tired from last week! I don't know how some of you manage to keep your energy going, you are nothing short of amazing to me.
Thank you to all the volunteers who helped make the PNW competitions this year the best yet!
for anyone wondering just how close it is, we got about 140 points last match and raised up our point average 3 points, and went from 30th to 22nd. Talk about close matches!!
Citrus Dad
04-04-2015, 19:54
Unfortunately the webcast stream has been choppy. I've had problems in two locations (Davis and LA) and my sister has had problems in Seattle. I've been streaming other ones with few problems. Seems to be the data content is too high.
But a wow competition. Nice to see that the gaps can close in this game. Interesting to see what happens at Champs with the higher floor on teams.
pandamonium
05-04-2015, 00:01
what happened with the substitution in finals?
what happened with the substitution in finals?
we were substituted in for 1510 (i dont know why, maybe them or shockwave can answer?) and lost by 4 points, 188 to 192.
A big shoutout to 4488, 1510, and 2471 for somehow making all of that work, and congrats to all of you for making it to the finals!
On another note, I cant find the match on youtube, just 3 minutes of dancing. Anybody got a vid that they want to share?
Dunngeon
05-04-2015, 00:52
we were substituted in for 1510 (i dont know why, maybe them or shockwave can answer?) and lost by 4 points, 188 to 192.
A big shoutout to 4488, 1510, and 2471 for somehow making all of that work, and congrats to all of you for making it to the finals!
On another note, I cant find the match on youtube, just 3 minutes of dancing. Anybody got a vid that they want to share?
From what I understood, 1510 was broken (controls system failure?) and Circut was the team that replaced them.
From the otherside of the glass, it was extremely unfortunate that 1510 had to go out. We really enjoyed playing against all of you, see everyone at worlds!
Thad House
05-04-2015, 01:07
1510's drive control did not work in Finals 1. After spending the field timeout and our alliance time out trying to fix it. By the time the deadline came for calling the backup bot, they still were not working, which is why the backup was called in.
However, they were still some absolutely amazing finals, I want to congratulate 1983, 955 and 2930 on the win. The can battles were intense, and I can't wait to see how worlds pans out.
zinthorne
05-04-2015, 01:14
Congratulations 1983, 955, and 2930 on the win! That was a great competition! The matches were intense all the way through with 1983 knocking out alliance out by .67 of a point to make it to finals. Great competition! I'm excited to see all of you guys at worlds!
Ian Curtis
05-04-2015, 03:50
I do wonder though, how much of this phenomenon is PNW being good, versus the District model giving teams more playtime to iron out the kinks, and the DCMP being an invite-only of the best teams in the region
IN's DCMP is similarly strong this week, and MSC has been routinely one of the strongest events outside of CMP and IRI for the last 6 years.
The district model creates a step change in robot goodness. The district model makes teams better. A lot better. You have enough matches to really iron out all the bugs, and the events are small enough that you can achieve any reasonable goal you set. This is awesome year one, but much like compounding interest it really starts to pay off as the years roll by and you can re-invest the skills, energy, and experience you harvest from the year prior.
I have had the pleasure of seeing this play out in real time on 1778. In 2013 (last year of regionals), we didn't get picked at Seattle, but we were just on the outside with a 10 pt hang and an inconsistent at best 2 pt shooter. In 2014, the goal was to make the DCMP -- and we fell short. But, we did make elims as a 2nd pick at both of our events, and at the 2nd event we made it to the SF, and the kids were ecstatic to have that win. The kids put in a lot of work in the offseason, and this year made it to the DCMP as a first round pick at both of our district events. And they are even more excited about the off-season this year than last year!
By starting the district model, Michigan invested their money in Warren Buffet first. We are all just trying to catch up, but in chasing excellence we've gotten a heck of a lot better.
SciBorg Dave
05-04-2015, 14:07
PNW Champs was a lot of fun and the matches were excellent. With no defense it is easy to compare the different robots at all the regionals and district. I have grown to really like this game and I love the district model. We sure get to play a lot of games each year. This builds great teams and robots.
PNW Champs was a lot of fun and the matches were excellent. With no defense it is easy to compare the different robots at all the regionals and district. I have grown to really like this game and I love the district model. We sure get to play a lot of games each year. This builds great teams and robots.
AMEN! I know the kids miss the "big city" regional, but our team has improved so much, mostly due to the fact that we get to play so much more and over an extended time. The only drawback I can see is the added expense of $$, time, and energy. But, like everything, you get out of it what you put into it!
That said, it was sure nice to sleep in this weekend!
Boy, what an experience. We raised our qualification average a full 40 points between Mount Vernon and District Champs, and it still landed us in the middle of the pack. The level of competition was incredible. Hats off to all of the teams for a wonderful experience, and we will see you all next year.
we were substituted in for 1510 (i dont know why, maybe them or shockwave can answer?) and lost by 4 points, 188 to 192.
A big shoutout to 4488, 1510, and 2471 for somehow making all of that work, and congrats to all of you for making it to the finals!
On another note, I cant find the match on youtube, just 3 minutes of dancing. Anybody got a vid that they want to share?
Finals Match #2 from PNW District Champs is now up at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcmST_cm2a4
Friday's Opening Ceremonies are uploaded as well. Thanks for being patient!
Finals Match #2 from PNW District Champs is now up at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcmST_cm2a4
Friday's Opening Ceremonies are uploaded as well. Thanks for being patient!
Yes! now i just need better internet...
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