2015 Curie Divison

[sergioCorral842]

Teams / Stats can be found here:
http://championship-notifier.evanforbes.net:3000/division/curie

Team List:

Team Name
56 R.O.B.B.E.
57 Leopards
70 More Martians
88 TJ(Squared)
107 Team R.O.B.O.T.I.C.S.
120 Cleveland's Team
123 Team - Cosmos
148 Robowranglers
176 Aces High
228 GUS Robotics
230 Gaelhawks
271 Mechanical Marauders
303 T.E.S.T. Team
339 Kilroy Robotics
341 Miss Daisy
369 High Voltage
379 RoboCats
610 The Coyotes
649 M-SET Fish
701 RoboVikes
702 Bagel Bytes
708 Hatters Robotics
842 Falcon Robotics
900 Zebracorns
948 NRG (Newport Robotics Group)
1086 Blue Cheese
1114 Simbotics
1156 Under Control
1305 Ice Cubed
1318 Issaquah Robotics Society
1319 Flash
1506 Metal Muscle
1574 MisCar
1622 Team Spyder
1816 "The Green Machine"
1923 The MidKnight Inventors
2046 Bear Metal
2457 The Law
2557 SOTAbots
2594 Naskcorpions
2994 ASTECHZ
2996 Cougars Gone Wired
3008 Falcons
3193 Falco Tech
3309 Friarbots
3452 GreengineerZ
3495 MindCraft
3663 CPR - Cedar Park Robotics
3937 Breakaway
3959 Morgan County Mech Tech
3974 E=mCD
4048 Redshift
4061 SciBorgs
4073 Robo Kats
4080 Team Reboot
4143 MARS/ WARS
4146 Sabercats
4355 CP-BOTS
4450 Olympia Robotics Federation
4468 Fernbank LINKS
4498 Team X
4593 Rapid Acceleration
4595 Infinity
4613 Barker College - The Red Crusade
4653 Ironmen Robotics
4909 Bionics
5046 Jacked Up Jackets
5407 Wolfpack Robotics
5472 Stallions
5572 ROSBOTS
5585 Blood, Sweat & Gears
5586 Bond Brigade
5603 Rise of the Warrior Bots
5654 Phoenix
5735 Control Freaks
5737 Mars Style

[Ginger Power]

1114+148 in the same division= dream come true. It'll be tough to stop that combination.

[MrJohnston]

1114+148 in the same division= dream come true. It'll be tough to stop that combination.

Yup... We have our work cut out for us...

[George A.]

1114+148 in the same division= dream come true. It'll be tough to stop that combination.

Tough but not impossible. There are 73 other teams vying to give Curie back to back Champs

[sergioCorral842]

1114+148 in the same division= dream come true. It'll be tough to stop that combination.

Maybe you can't beat them in stacking, but maybe you can beat them in canning.

[Ginger Power]

Maybe you can't beat them in stacking, but maybe you can beat them in canning.

Exactly my thinking. We'll see how many elite canburglars there are and how good the cheesecake is in Curie.

[marshall]

Well this is going to be a fun event...

[Kevin Sevcik]

I'm assuming 148 is packing some serious cheesecake, since that's their main weakness. I'm guessing there's a fair number of teams cinching their belts at this point.

[Jim Schaddelee]

Who are the canbugulars in curie ?

[IceStorm]

1114+148 in the same division= dream come true. It'll be tough to stop that combination.


Worried about the team up of these two powerhouses as my team 5046 is in this division but at least we won't need to go far to see 2 great bots in action.

[AmoryG]

If 1114 and 148 team up, is the division deep enough for them to pick up a decent canburglar? Or is 148 planning on building one (not sure how much weight the have to spare since they no longer need Alfred).

[jdunston94]

what happened that they no longer need alfred?

[glennword]

I never understood which of 148's robots are called what. Anyone care to explain?

[Ty Tremblay]

If 1114 and 148 team up, is the division deep enough for them to pick up a decent canburglar? Or is 148 planning on building one (not sure how much weight the have to spare since they no longer need Alfred).
148 can't use a can burglar and robin in the same match. The tether would be in the auto zone.

[MaGiC_PiKaChU]

I never understood which of 148's robots are called what. Anyone care to explain?

HP stacker - Robin
Moving robot - Batman
Autonomous can grabber - Alfred (May he rest in peace)

[AmoryG]

I never understood which of 148's robots are called what. Anyone care to explain?

The one that moves and picks up bins is called Batman. The one that sits at the feeder station and builds stacks is called Robin. They used to have a 3rd robot called Alfred which I believe was only used for their autonomous mode.

[Ginger Power]

I never understood which of 148's robots are called what. Anyone care to explain?

Batman is their primary robot which moves stacks from the tote chute to the scoring platform. Batman also grabs RC'S. Robin is their tethered robot at the tote chute that just stacks. Alfred was their autonomous tool to move the RC's out of the way for their stacked tote set. Alfred was ruled illegal early on in the competiton season for having their low visibility tether suspended at a level that could cause problems. I'm also curious why they no longer need Alfred?

^^^Beat me to it

[glennword]

Are there any videos or pictures of Alfred in action? I've of course seen Batman and Robin in their reveal video and on live streams, but I never got to see Alfred. (May he rest in peace)

[Alicia V]

We are in!

[Ginger Power]

Are there any videos or pictures of Alfred in action? I've of course seen Batman and Robin in their reveal video and on live streams, but I never got to see Alfred. (May he rest in peace)

148 Reveal video (https://vimeo.com/119664649) shows Alfred in action. I haven't seen them use it in a real match.

[TCMJ1816]

Who are the canbugulars in curie ?

1816 can, we have spent the last week and a half making it much faster, at 10 Thousand Lakes we hit 100% of the time with the container captured in about 3 seconds.

[glennword]

Just re-watched it a few times. Is Alfred the thing that falls over at the end on the far right of the screen?

[Ginger Power]

Just re-watched it a few times. Is Alfred the thing that falls over at the end on the far right of the screen?

Yes. It was brilliant.

[Abhishek R]

Just re-watched it a few times. Is Alfred the thing that falls over at the end on the far right of the screen?

Yes. According to their Facebook post a while back, they felt they could do better without Alfred (maybe a few issues with consistency or something, possibly weight, not sure) so they went on to Las Vegas without Alfred. They made a 3 tote auto still, maybe 2 cans as well, don't remember.

[cjl2625]

148 doesn't have Alfred anymore, but somehow still manages to grab all 3 RCs during their 3 tote.
They grab one with their claw, hold another on the back, and have some kind of pole that drags the 3rd one. I don't think the 3rd one always makes it into the auto zone, though.

[SciBorg Dave]

TEAM 4061 SciBorgs are excited to be playing on Curie ( after the curse ended last year) with all the great Curie teams.

[JohnFogarty]

I'm interested to see how 4613 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58SO-kO7Jr8) stacks up against this field.

[MooreteP]

1114+148 in the same division= dream come true. It'll be tough to stop that combination.

You are assuming that they will rank 1st and 2nd. If so, than it will be a tough combination. Remember though, that their 3rd pick will be crucial, as it will for every playoff alliance.

If they are not ranked 1, and 2, then any team ranked above one of them can poison the field by choosing and being declined as I think happened on Curie a couple of years ago.

[George A.]

You are assuming that they will rank 1st and 2nd. If so, than it will be a tough combination. Remember though, that their 3rd pick will be crucial, as it will for every playoff alliance.

If they are not ranked 1, and 2, then any team ranked above one of them can poison the field by choosing and being declined as I think happened on Curie a couple of years ago.

Technically only one has to finish 1st. If 1114 finishes 1st and 148 finishes 75th then 1114 can still pick 148. However if anyone else finishes 1st they can break up the alliance.

Or you know....we can form our own alliances to the best of our ability!

[JamesBrown]

If they are not ranked 1, and 2, then any team ranked above one of them can poison the field by choosing and being declined as I think happened on Curie a couple of years ago.

To be fair they don't need to be #1 and #2, they just need one of them to be #1 to guarantee they play together if they both want to. It will be interesting to see what happens with Co-op points in their matches.

[zinthorne]

3663 is on Curie and excited to compete! What's to assume 1114 will pick 148 or vice versa? From a strategy standpoint yes they are likely the two best stackers on the field(who knows robots may get faster), but we also must consider strategy and how well they would work together. We all know 1114 has a trick or two up their sleeve still and will probably come out with a very fast 2 can grabber. But that is still only 2 cans and 3 will be needed to win. Also take into account that 1114 will clear the landfill very quickly which means they will use a ramp and if 148 is placing stacks on the near scoring platform, that is going to be a lot of traffic in that area. I think it will be very interesting to watch and see what happens.

[Dan Petrovic]

If they are not ranked 1, and 2, then any team ranked above one of them can poison the field by choosing and being declined as I think happened on Curie a couple of years ago.

1732 ranked #1 above 330 in 2007, splitting up the potential alliance of 330 and 1114. That alliance would have absolutely dominated Einstein.

[Shrub]

3130's an autonomous can burglar too. I didn't see them use it much at North Star but it was amazing at Northern Lights.

[Irwin772]

There is no way that 1114 goes into champs without some sort of trick up their sleeve, especially since can burgling is their main weakness and will decide a match on einstein. They do not design to win regionals they design to win worlds. I do know they were working on a very quick 2 can burglar at Winsor Essex

[MooreteP]

Technically only one has to finish 1st. If 1114 finishes 1st and 148 finishes 75th then 1114 can still pick 148. However if anyone else finishes 1st they can break up the alliance.

Or you know....we can form our own alliances to the best of our ability!

It will be interesting to see if some teams in divisions tank matches near the end to facilitate rankings that are favorable to their playoff alliance desires.

It has happened.

I love Game Theory.

[MrJohnston]

It will be interesting to see if some teams in divisions tank matches near the end to facilitate rankings that are favorable to their playoff alliance desires.

It has happened.

I love Game Theory.


I hope not. 948 will not tank any matches. If 1114 and 148 become alliance partners, so be it. We'll either have to find a way to beat them or salute them as they advance to Einstein.

With that said, I think it's time to design the world's fastest canburgler. We can beat 1114-148 juggernaut if they are limited to3 RC's....

[tprize]

Team 5586 is excited to compete in Curie! We are looking forward to seeing all of the teams compete, should be pretty interesting to see and learn from all of the veteran teams competing. We will make sure to take in all of the advice we possibly can so we can hopefully have a great 2nd season next year!

[Aidan H.]

I think one thing we will see at Champs in general is a LOT of co-op. At MSC there was at least an attempt at co-op in almost every match. All of the teams there realized that co-op was worth a lot to a team's average score, and getting it can really keep that team ranking high.
With all this talk of 1114 and 148 being the dominating robots in Curie, I think it is important to mention that neither have demonstrated an ability to place a co-op stack on the step. They can both build one in auto, which makes it really easy for an alliance partner to just pick up and score, but if 1114 and 148 have to trust other teams with their oh so important average score with a 40 pt co-op stack, I can see many situations where their ranking can slip out of their control.
I would say 1114 and 148, if they were to join forces, would most likely make it to Einstein finals, but that all depends on their ability to seed in the right place in quals.

[Link07]

I think one thing we will see at Champs in general is a LOT of co-op. At MSC there was at least an attempt at co-op in almost every match. All of the teams there realized that co-op was worth a lot to a team's average score, and getting it can really keep that team ranking high.
With all this talk of 1114 and 148 being the dominating robots in Curie, I think it is important to mention that neither have demonstrated an ability to place a co-op stack on the step. They can both build one in auto, which makes it really easy for an alliance partner to just pick up and score, but if 1114 and 148 have to trust other teams with their oh so important average score with a 40 pt co-op stack, I can see many situations where their ranking can slip out of their control.
I would say 1114 and 148, if they were to join forces, would most likely make it to Einstein finals, but that all depends on their ability to seed in the right place in quals.

Or opposing teams could just decide not to coop with them. Might not be enough to stop one from still seeding first though.

[George A.]

Or opposing teams could just decide not to coop with them. Might not be enough to stop one from still seeding first though.

I'm NOT condoning purposefully sandbagging a team (or teams) but those 40 points are a big deal.

Techfire 225 in MAR was consistently 20 points or so above the rest of the pack when it came to alliance selection. Where did those 20 points come from? They were the only team that could consistently make an auto stack.

If teams decided to no co-op with the "powerhouses" it would deny them at least 20 points/match (40 if they are stacked).

So teams have to decide....will the 40 points help them more than it will hurt the leaders? Do they take the points for themselves or try and "help the greater good"?

[RoboChair]

You are assuming that they will rank 1st and 2nd. If so, than it will be a tough combination. Remember though, that their 3rd pick will be crucial, as it will for every playoff alliance.

If they are not ranked 1, and 2, then any team ranked above one of them can poison the field by choosing and being declined as I think happened on Curie a couple of years ago.

Ya, sorry that was us. We seeded #1 undefeated in Curie. We were turned down by the first 4 teams on our list. By the time our Team Captain was on the 3rd choice she was having a hard time not laughing. Good times man!

[Kevin Sevcik]

I'm NOT condoning purposefully sandbagging a team (or teams) but those 40 points are a big deal.

Techfire 225 in MAR was consistently 20 points or so above the rest of the pack when it came to alliance selection. Where did those 20 points come from? They were the only team that could consistently make an auto stack.

If teams decided to no co-op with the "powerhouses" it would deny them at least 20 points/match (40 if they are stacked).

So teams have to decide....will the 40 points help them more than it will hurt the leaders? Do they take the points for themselves or try and "help the greater good"?The fun/interesting thing is 1114 is half resigned to some level of sandbagging because they can't co-op for themselves at all. They've already conceded some of those co-op points in exchange for pretty ludicrous stacking ability. Judging by their OPR and rankings, I think that's paying off for them and they won't have to worry overmuch about their ranking slipping without any co-op.

[Wayne Doenges]

Not to be rude, but could we move this thread to the Championship folder?
That way they are all in one place.

We return you to your regularly scheduled thread :D

[sergioCorral842]

Not to be rude, but could we move this thread to the Championship folder?
That way they are all in one place.

We return you to your regularly scheduled thread :D

I apologize. Can someone move this please.

[JeremyF]

From NE Champs, I know Team 88, TJ^2, has a burglar running. We put one together at the competition and had some success. I believe they are working on a more permanent model for St. Louis. I also remember Team 230, Gaelhawks, consistently grabbing cans as well.

[jman4747]

I hope not. 948 will not tank any matches. If 1114 and 148 become alliance partners, so be it. We'll either have to find a way to beat them or salute them as they advance to Einstein.

With that said, I think it's time to design the world's fastest canburgler. We can beat 1114-148 juggernaut if they are limited to3 RC's....

+ infinity

[Irwin772]

1114 and 148 may not do anything with the coop stack but in the time that they would work on doing it they both have the ability to put up 42 points with another capped 6 stack with litter. This negates the potential losses from not doing the coop stack or set. The only issue they could run into for those points is if they lose all of the cans in a match, which is something I don't believe would happen in qualifications.

[Link07]

1114 and 148 may not do anything with the coop stack but in the time that they would work on doing it they both have the ability to put up 42 points with another capped 6 stack with litter. This negates the potential losses from not doing the coop stack or set. The only issue they could run into for those points is if they lose all of the cans in a match, which is something I don't believe would happen in qualifications.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make.

[Joe Ross]

1732 ranked #1 above 330 in 2007, splitting up the potential alliance of 330 and 1114. That alliance would have absolutely dominated Einstein.

Dominating Einstein is anything but a given. The alliance of 1732, 1114, and 330 only scored 34 points in Curie match 75.

[mark johnson]

Dominating Einstein is anything but a given. The alliance of 1732, 1114, and 330 only scored 34 points in Curie match 75.

Joe that year wasn't to bad we won Curie with you guys but got beat on Einstein by 71 233 179 when we got disqualified when 1270 pushed 71 over battling for the same rung which was no fault of 1270 just a bad call in my opinion but you know what they say about opinions ! We had a great alliance with 330 910 1270 when we defeated 1732 67 48 for the Curie banner !! The Foley Freeze always loves playing with the Beach Bots !!!!!

[Ninja_Fish]

I pick 70 and 4613 to head alliance 1

[Tim_Andrews]

I say 1114, 379 and 3193. 1114 gets from the landfill, 379 makes 6 stacks from the human player station, and 3193 can grad the cans out of the middle for them. That is just my prediction.

[Gweiss96]

I say 1114, 379 and 3193. 1114 gets from the landfill, 379 makes 6 stacks from the human player station, and 3193 can grad the cans out of the middle for them. That is just my prediction.

Just so you know, 148 can do almost twice as much as 379 from HP and 1114 can grab the center cans.

[MrJohnston]

Prediction #1:
The lack of strong canburglers is apparent from the beginning and half of Curie begin designing bin-snatching devices on day 1. However, most of these are not mounted effectively until the last half of qualifications... 1114 is dominating the field - having access to all four center RC's in most matches and happily teamed up with the large number of strong feeder-station stackers. By the end of the first five or six rounds 1114 is averaging 30 points more than the second place team and is all but got the #1 seed locked up.

Meanwhile 148 is frustrated. Constantly teamed with strong feeder station stackers, their abilities seem wasted as one member of their alliance is virtually useless every match: They just don't have enough recycling containers available. Other good (but definitely weaker) stackers seem to be able to hang close to them in the standings - often using coopertition points to boost their scores. Still, when those bin-snatchers start working in the second half, 148's scores sore and they do take the #2 captaincy.

Knowing that there are many strong feeder station bot on the field, 1114 toys with the idea of choosing a the best available canburgler with its first pick. However, in the end, realizes it just doesn't want to find itself facing 148. Besides, 148 shows 1114's captain some really serious cheesecake that's ready to be mounted on their third and fourth robots.

As it becomes time to pick their last two robots, 1114 and 148 realize that they have no need for a third robot with scoring ability: They just need something to which they can attach 148's cheesecake. In a stunning move and an effort to make this feel like a true "World Championship" with a very international feel, 1114 snatches up 5654 and 5737 to complete the alliance. 148 proceeds to cheesecake both bots with strong enough cheese that they win most of their bin-battles and propel the alliance to Einstein.

[MrJohnston]

Prediction #2
(Yes, the serious long shot prediction)

The lack of strong bin-grabbers is downright painful. However, the few that are out there seem to always find themselves up against 1114 and never allied with 148. 1114 learns the hard way that they aren't quite fast enough on the grab is is constantly limited to 1 RC during a match. Moreover, its style of play nearly always prevents a partner from being able to complete coopertition stacks.

Meanwhile, 148 struggles with the complete lack of RC's and finds itself at odds with great alliance partner such as 3663 as they having no bins to stack at all. They spend their first few rounds in the top five unable to separate themselves from the pack.

Many teams spend most of the first day developing "wicked-fast" can-snatching mechanisms, but they are not ready until the end of qualifications - too late to help 148 to bolster its score.... Those other strong feeder-station bots hang close - those that have coopertition abilities or autonomous tote-stacking routines hang right with 148....

As qualifications begin to wind down, 148 and 1114 look up and the rankings and are completely shocked to see that 148 is sitting in third place with 1114 in second. Little-known 948 has managed to take advantage of a little luck in its pairings and its 3-tote-stack autonomous routine followed by an immediate coopertition score in every match to just slip into the #1 spot.

Alliance selections are intense... 948 chooses 148 - fully anticipating to be declined. And, they are. 948 then selects 1114. Bewildered 1114 isn't sure what to do. 148 is no longer a possibility. Is there a better stacker than 948 left? What if they declines and 948 takes that stacker (and gets declined again?!)? Resigned to their fate - and cursing coopertition points, 1114 graciously accepts the alliance offer. Due to an insane run in can burglers, a very strong 4061 manages not be drafted... until 948 snatches them up with their second pick. They seem to have improved their single can-snatcher in the two weeks since the PNW Championships and find that they are able to out-grab nearly all 2-bin grabbers... As is the newly mounted bin-snatcher on 948.

948-1114-4061 manage to run the table (though really have to battle in the finals against a tough 148-1318-610 alliance) and make Einstein.

[Abhishek R]

Oh man... Felt like I was reading some sort of 1114-148 fan fiction.

Interesting analysis though.

[RyanShoff]

Using maxopr as a team contribution predictor and the preliminary match schedule, here are the projected rankings.

Good thing its more fun to actually play the matches.

rank team QA

1114 206
148 185
3309 176
303 171
701 170
948 162
379 162
3959 158
4143 157
1574 154
107 153
1506 151
1156 150
56 148
3663 146
1305 146
230 145
1816 145
70 142
57 142
4450 142
610 141
5046 139
5603 139

[Mackenzie W]

Using maxopr as a team contribution predictor and the preliminary match schedule, here are the projected rankings.

Good thing its more fun to actually play the matches.

rank team QA


1305 146



Well now I'm excited, I hope we can live up to that average!

[zinthorne]

I think OPR can be very deceiving this year. There are several good teams that do not always have a very high OPR. I can not wait to play matches and see how the rankings turn out!

[The other Gabe]

Yup... We have our work cut out for us...

hey, there's plenty of good PNW robots to make our own little alliance ;)

[bkahl]

1114 graciously accepts the alliance offer.

I usually like to think teams "gratefully" accept.

Then again, 1114 has their awesome speech listing all of their sponsors.

[JohnFogarty]

I predict 1114 - 4613 - 610 will be the first seed alliance. The 3rd pick probably won't be possible, but I can imagine. I can't figure the 4th.

[AMathew15]

Just so you know, 148 can do almost twice as much as 379 from HP and 1114 can grab the center cans.

At our first regional event we were only putting up just a little bit more then one six stack, at our second regional we were putting up little more then 2 six stacks a match and almost had a 3 tote auto, you can bet that we will significantly improve from what we have done at our past regional's now that we know what the competition is going to be so don't doubt us just yet.

[SciBorg Dave]

Prediction #2
(Yes, the serious long shot prediction)

The lack of strong bin-grabbers is downright painful. However, the few that are out there seem to always find themselves up against 1114 and never allied with 148. 1114 learns the hard way that they aren't quite fast enough on the grab is is constantly limited to 1 RC during a match. Moreover, its style of play nearly always prevents a partner from being able to complete coopertition stacks.

Meanwhile, 148 struggles with the complete lack of RC's and finds itself at odds with great alliance partner such as 3663 as they having no bins to stack at all. They spend their first few rounds in the top five unable to separate themselves from the pack.

Many teams spend most of the first day developing "wicked-fast" can-snatching mechanisms, but they are not ready until the end of qualifications - too late to help 148 to bolster its score.... Those other strong feeder-station bots hang close - those that have coopertition abilities or autonomous tote-stacking routines hang right with 148....

As qualifications begin to wind down, 148 and 1114 look up and the rankings and are completely shocked to see that 148 is sitting in third place with 1114 in second. Little-known 948 has managed to take advantage of a little luck in its pairings and its 3-tote-stack autonomous routine followed by an immediate coopertition score in every match to just slip into the #1 spot.

Alliance selections are intense... 948 chooses 148 - fully anticipating to be declined. And, they are. 948 then selects 1114. Bewildered 1114 isn't sure what to do. 148 is no longer a possibility. Is there a better stacker than 948 left? What if they declines and 948 takes that stacker (and gets declined again?!)? Resigned to their fate - and cursing coopertition points, 1114 graciously accepts the alliance offer. Due to an insane run in can burglers, a very strong 4061 manages not be drafted... until 948 snatches them up with their second pick. They seem to have improved their single can-snatcher in the two weeks since the PNW Championships and find that they are able to out-grab nearly all 2-bin grabbers... As is the newly mounted bin-snatcher on 948.

948-1114-4061 manage to run the table (though really have to battle in the finals against a tough 148-1318-610 alliance) and make Einstein.

We will play together in Quals- But we two have some unfinished business to take care of in the Elims. Lets make it happen.

[RoboTUB]

I was a spectator at both the Pittsburgh regional and the Buckeye regional and witnessed the wonderful consistency of 379. They not only improved tremendously from their first regional to their second, but I have no doubt in my mind that they will improve even more for worlds. They are very strong in making consistent 6 stacks and I would love to see them and 1114 team up for the "playoffs"!

[MrJohnston]

We will play together in Quals- But we two have some unfinished business to take care of in the Elims. Lets make it happen.

Yes. We do have business to settle... It would have been good to see how our alliance could perform sans strange software issues... We had a shot in PNW...

[MonteCristo578]

3309 can do 3 Five stacks and has a three tote auto, so let's not count them out. They also have the 3rd highest OPR in Curie, closing the gap between 148 & 1114's monster OPRs.

I would bet money that 148 and 1114 are already working together. They are both sponsored by IFI and they both are masters of strategy. They probably have a trick up their sleeves. Let's be real here.

610 being the third robot in 1114's 1st seed alliance is probably impossible. They're too good to be the 2nd pick of 1114.

[glennword]

#TeamIFInstein anyone? :]

[MrJohnston]

3309 can do 3 Five stacks and has a three tote auto, so let's not count them out. They also have the 3rd highest OPR in Curie, closing the gap between 148 & 1114's monster OPRs.

I would bet money that 148 and 1114 are already working together. They are both sponsored by IFI and they both are masters of strategy. They probably have a trick up their sleeves. Let's be real here.

610 being the third robot in 1114's 1st seed alliance is probably impossible. They're too good to be the 2nd pick of 1114.

Nobody is counting out the Friarbots: They are a very good landfill stacker. However, they do not match well with 1114... They are a better fit for 148 or other feeder station bots. My big question about the: They should have learned in Las Vegas that they need to be able to get to the center RC's during autonomous if they are going to hold their weight in eliminations in St. Louis as a landfill bot. Did they? It does not look like they had anything the following weekend in Arizona.

Unless a lot more bin snatchers appear in Curie before qualification rounds, the Friarbots will do very well in qualifications. However, without some manner of grabbing bins in autonomous, they are not likely to be an early pick... Rather, they will hope to be a captain (not unlikely) and will have to choose between picking up a bot that can snatch bins and one that complements them well at the feeder station.

Frankly, I am guessing that they will add the bin-grabber before qualifications begin... If so, they could be the second best landfill bot (next to 1114) and a very possible partner to 948 (my team).

As for 610... It is a very good robot, but there are a lot of good robots in Curie. As I have started to familiarize myself with all the stronger robots in Curie, I figure there are two *really* good ones (148 and 1114) and about 20-25 other strong ones - one of which is 610. 610's OPR ranks them at 22 in Curie, which, from the video I have seen, may be about right for their performance so far this year... We'll see how they (and everybody else!) plays in St. Louis, but Curie is strong enough that seeing 610 as a late second pick is reasonable. (Right now, I'd project them as an earlier 2nd pick - but I still have a lot of robots to watch.)

Are 148 and 1114 already working together? Texas and Canada? Maybe by phone? I don't think so... Still, it really doesn't matter: They are the two strongest bots in Curie - but a solid margin - as things stand right now and, as they compliment each other very well, are very likely to choose each other for eliminations. It is up to the rest of us to find a way to take the #1 from them in qualifications an break up that nasty alliance.

[Sunnykx]

I think Team 3663 has some cool things to offer as well. We're an incredibly reliable double-can-with-noodle 6 stacker and change and we've developed a fast, strong can snatcher. Our OPR is not the highest because we've had an unusually low amount of partners who do Coop.

Our scouting is fantastic and we regularly beat the odds by advancing over higher-seeded alliances. Our SF avg at District Champs was 201.33. We've pre-scouted most of you as individual teams - not alliances- and we know who puts up the numbers and how they do it. Be assured, we know who you are even if you haven't had a big presence online. Yes, 379, you're one of the teams I'm talking about. You guys are awesome. So, be on the look-out for this PNW team that may not have crossed your radar.

[MrJohnston]

I think Team 3663 has some cool things to offer as well. We're an incredibly reliable double-can-with-noodle 6 stacker and change and we've developed a fast, strong can snatcher. Our OPR is not the highest because we've had an unusually low amount of partners who do Coop.

Our scouting is fantastic and we regularly beat the odds by advancing over higher-seeded alliances. Our SF avg at District Champs was 201.33. We've pre-scouted most of you as individual teams - not alliances- and we know who puts up the numbers and how they do it. Be assured, we know who you are even if you haven't had a big presence online. Yes, 379, you're one of the teams I'm talking about. You guys are awesome. So, be on the look-out for this PNW team that may not have crossed your radar.


Yup, 3663 is a very strong feeder station bot... I look forward to seeing their can-snatcher... It was under development at the PNW champs, so it will be great to see what they've got now...

[MrJohnston]

I'm looking for video on 1319 and 4613. Both have some good performances at regional events, so I'd like to see what they bring to the table, butt he video available for their events (Australia, Georgia Southern and Peachtree) seems to be rather lacking....

[JohnFogarty]

I'm looking for video on 1319 and 4613. Both have some good performances at regional events, so I'd like to see what they bring to the table, butt he video available for their events (Australia, Georgia Southern and Peachtree) seems to be rather lacking....

The entire Australian regional videos are here. All of 4613's matches are there.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkd6lAK9UsXlNda69U0g3VA

Finals they consistently made 3 stacks. 2 x 6 & 1 x 5. All capped. Except the 3rd stack FM 3.

Also reveal video here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58SO-kO7Jr8

As for 1319. You'll find all match video for their regionals here in Georgia FRC's channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQTtnwIi6F93LrYzIIvNe-g

If my memory serves me right they usually made 2 x 6 stacks capped.

[The other Gabe]

Yup... We have our work cut out for us...

I'm thinking they wont ally: not enough can grabbers; 1114 will go for 610, or someone like that

[MrJohnston]

Teams to watch on Curie (other than 148 and 1114) - listed in numerical order:

Who did I miss?

70: Can put up a couple of tall stacks, primarily from the landfill, has a solid 3-tote autonomous routine... Finished 4th in Michigan Champs qualifiers, but has something to prove after being eliminated in the 4th round.

107: Another Michigan team. ONly finished 15th in Michigan Champs qualifiers, but was an early pick (#3). Sports a solid 20 pt. autonomous and can put up two full stacks from the feeder station. Made it to semis in Michigan.

303: Another very solid feeder-station bot - had a very strong season in MAR. Can solidly put up two full stacks -and perhaps a little more. 6th in the Mid-Atlantic Champs, lost in the finals.

379: Out of Cleveland, this is another strong, consistent feeder station bot capable of putting up two full stacks plus a few more totes. Claim to fame: Competed in two regionals, #1 captain in both, won Buckeye.

701: This is perhaps the only team in the world this year to compete in three regionals - and lose in the finals in all three - against very strong competition. Another solid feeder station bot able to put up two full stacks - though has sown some play in the landfill.

948: Another very solid feeder station bot - able to put up two full stacks, plus a little more. Adds a very strong 20pt auto +fast coopertition combo that could affect qualifiers. Has been inconsistent all year. Put up the highest score in PNW this year.

1318: A PNW landfill bot with a pretty quick two-bin grab that consistently puts up two-five stacks from the landfill. Will compliment all the strong feeder bots well. 3 district events, 3 district wins.

1574: Won in Israel; can quickly grab two center bins... Some inconsistency in scoring...

3309: Three regionals this year, improvement at each one, culminating in a win in Arizona. This bot will put up 3 full stacks from teh landfill if allowed to do so - and has a very strong 20 pt autonomous. If it develops a way to snatch center bins during autonomous, this bot could be dangerous.

3663: Another strong feeder station bot - consistently putting up two six-stacks. Rumor has it that this PNW bot now also has an autonomous bin grabber...

3937: Yet another strong feeder station bot - able to put up two full stacks - plus a few more bins. Won at Bayou.

4061: Another strong feeder station bot from the PNW. It's ability to use tipped over bins sets it apart, though. Able to put up two full stacks from the feeder and recently added a pretty darn quick bin-grabber. Definitely has something to prove after a "software error" helped it to an early exit in PNW champs.

4143: A feeder/landfill hybrid able to put up two full stacks during teleop... Can snag center bins with long arm during teleop... May be able to do so during autonomous.

Good bots that almost made this list:
610, 1156, 2046, 3959, 4450, 5046

[The other Gabe]

if anyone's interested, I compiled together OPR data (from 955's website http://team955.org/opr/?search=global ) with my own analysis of video from TBA (when available) to make this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n5b_8sM3KmJ9WsCgghVmFzbMkhyB7xjxIhQ692gDM0I/edit?usp=sharing

this has info on who's landfill, feeder, who can do both can burglars, 3 tote autos, etc. It ain't perfect, but it's a start, and means you don't have to watch a ton of video to come up with some game theory

(I really wanted an excuse to put off my Calculus homework)

[JohnFogarty]

Teams to watch on Curie (other than 148 and 1114) - listed in numerical order:

Who did I miss?

70: Can put up a couple of tall stacks, primarily from the landfill, has a solid 3-tote autonomous routine... Finished 4th in Michigan Champs qualifiers, but has something to prove after being eliminated in the 4th round.

107: Another Michigan team. ONly finished 15th in Michigan Champs qualifiers, but was an early pick (#3). Sports a solid 20 pt. autonomous and can put up two full stacks from the feeder station. Made it to semis in Michigan.

303: Another very solid feeder-station bot - had a very strong season in MAR. Can solidly put up two full stacks -and perhaps a little more. 6th in the Mid-Atlantic Champs, lost in the finals.

379: Out of Cleveland, this is another strong, consistent feeder station bot capable of putting up two full stacks plus a few more totes. Claim to fame: Competed in two regionals, #1 captain in both, won Buckeye.

701: This is perhaps the only team in the world this year to compete in three regionals - and lose in the finals in all three - against very strong competition. Another solid feeder station bot able to put up two full stacks - though has sown some play in the landfill.

948: Another very solid feeder station bot - able to put up two full stacks, plus a little more. Adds a very strong 20pt auto +fast coopertition combo that could affect qualifiers. Has been inconsistent all year. Put up the highest score in PNW this year.

1318: A PNW landfill bot with a pretty quick two-bin grab that consistently puts up two-five stacks from the landfill. Will compliment all the strong feeder bots well. 3 district events, 3 district wins.

1574: Won in Israel; can quickly grab two center bins... Some inconsistency in scoring...

3309: Three regionals this year, improvement at each one, culminating in a win in Arizona. This bot will put up 3 full stacks from teh landfill if allowed to do so - and has a very strong 20 pt autonomous. If it develops a way to snatch center bins during autonomous, this bot could be dangerous.

3663: Another strong feeder station bot - consistently putting up two six-stacks. Rumor has it that this PNW bot now also has an autonomous bin grabber...

3937: Yet another strong feeder station bot - able to put up two full stacks - plus a few more bins. Won at Bayou.

4061: Another strong feeder station bot from the PNW. It's ability to use tipped over bins sets it apart, though. Able to put up two full stacks from the feeder and recently added a pretty darn quick bin-grabber. Definitely has something to prove after a "software error" helped it to an early exit in PNW champs.

4143: A feeder/landfill hybrid able to put up two full stacks during teleop... Can snag center bins with long arm during teleop... May be able to do so during autonomous.

Good bots that almost made this list:
610, 1156, 2046, 3959, 4450, 5046

You're still overlooking 4613. They seeded 1st in Australia over the 359 Hawaiian kids. 3 tote + 3 can auto and 3 stacks of 6 from HP station.

[MrJohnston]

You're still overlooking 4613. They seeded 1st in Australia over the 359 Hawaiian kids. 3 tote + 3 can auto and 3 stacks of 6 from HP station.

I typed that up before I saw your note about 4613.

They look good - but not as good as you are suggesting. Yes, they have the ability to do three stacks. In their best match, they did stacks of 5, 6, 6 - all with bins, but no noodles. They scored a total of ZERO autonomous points in Australia. Instead, they attempt to pick up all three recycling containers and start stacking.

I have not watched all their video- just a few matches at this point. The reason I missed them initially is simple: Their alliance scores are underwhelming. Watching the video shows that, most of the time, they were almost the only ones scoring on their alliance.

Here are their alliance scores through Australia:
Qualifications: 50, 66, 126, 28, 75, 46, 92, 100, 29, 69, 145, 14
Average = 70
Clearly they didn't frequently put up three 6-sacks (118 w/o noodles), even if their alliance partners scored zero points.

Quarters: 121, 114
Semis: 107, 169, 144
Finals: 114, 134, 104
Average = 125.9

Now, they've only played in the one event and show the potential to be a very strong feeder station bot. However, they have also shown the potential to completely tank matches. The question I would have about them: What have they done to improve themselves since March 14?

Yes, I put them on the "robots to watch" list. I don't, however, see them as a favorite in Curie until they show that they can replicate their efforts. An area they could struggle: Pairings. Their autonomous routine seems necessary for their stacking game. Thus, they eliminate the ability for other robots to score their auto-stacks at the same time. Also, if they pick up all three bins, but have an "off" match, they not only fail to score themselves, but prevent alliance partners who like those recycling bins from scoring as well.

[The other Gabe]

Thus, they eliminate the ability for other robots to score their auto-stacks at the same time. Also, if they pick up all three bins, but have an "off" match, they not only fail to score themselves, but prevent alliance partners who like those recycling bins from scoring as well.

Well, first of all, they do an auto stack, but you make a valid point here: this makes canburglaring important

[MrJohnston]

Well, first of all, they do an auto stack, but you make a valid point here: this makes canburglaring important

What makes you think they do an auto-stack?
They have played in one competition and scored a total of zero autonomous points.

[Ginger Power]

What makes you think they do an auto-stack?
They have played in one competition and scored a total of zero autonomous points.

In case this (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=136784) was overlooked.

4613 is very impressive and I'd expect them to be an alliance captain or high pick.

[MrJohnston]

In case this (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=136784) was overlooked.

4613 is very impressive and I'd expect them to be an alliance captain or high pick.

Now that's more interesting... I did not see this earlier....
I do question the rope that pulls the last yellow tote in... In the second run through, it very much looks like it starts on top of (i.e. supported by) the tote- which would be a G7 violation... However, the dialogue about it states that it is free standing, which would be fine.

Yes, definitely a team to watch. I still don't rank them with 1114 or 148 (or even 3309) until they do it in competition. If they do what they claim, they will, in all likelihood, rank very high.

[Qcom]

So very excited to be back in Curie! Now that we've broken the curse, anything is possible. Although, I kinda want Tesla to become a powerhouse, because Tesla.

[The other Gabe]

What makes you think they do an auto-stack?
They have played in one competition and scored a total of zero autonomous points.

their reveal video, and updated 3 tote auto video: it's possible that their auto never worked in actual competition; in fact it really does look like it based on what little video I can find... I guess it was too sketchy. my bad there, but they should have one at Worlds: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=136784

Edit: people kinda beat me to this, but gonna leave it up anyways

[JohnFogarty]

their reveal video, and updated 3 tote auto video: it's possible that their auto never worked in actual competition; in fact it really does look like it based on what little video I can find... I guess it was too sketchy. my bad there, but they should have one at Worlds: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=136784

Edit: people kinda beat me to this, but gonna leave it up anyways

The way the do their auto now seems to be a lot more of a consistent method than the one they were using before at the AUS regional.

[RyanShoff]

4143: A feeder/landfill hybrid able to put up two full stacks during teleop... Can snag center bins with long arm during teleop... May be able to do so during autonomous.


Thanks for the mention, but we are strictly landfill. We're able to get center bins in auto.

[MrJohnston]

Thanks for the mention, but we are strictly landfill. We're able to get center bins in auto.

The videos I watched suggested that you tended towards picking up the recycling bins near the feeder station (thus the label "hybrid"). If you are now grabbing the center RC's during autonomous, you become even more interesting.... Is there video of that somewhere?

[Gweiss96]

At our first regional event we were only putting up just a little bit more then one six stack, at our second regional we were putting up little more then 2 six stacks a match and almost had a 3 tote auto, you can bet that we will significantly improve from what we have done at our past regional's now that we know what the competition is going to be so don't doubt us just yet.

Wasn't doubting you. Just saying how good 148 is. Sorry for confusion.

[Irwin772]

I would bet money that 148 and 1114 are already working together. They are both sponsored by IFI and they both are masters of strategy. They probably have a trick up their sleeves. Let's be real here.
.

considering that after winning worlds together in 2008 there was a picture of 1114's robot in 148's reveal video in 2009, I would almost guarantee they are working together to some degree.

[RyanShoff]

The videos I watched suggested that you tended towards picking up the recycling bins near the feeder station (thus the label "hybrid"). If you are now grabbing the center RC's during autonomous, you become even more interesting.... Is there video of that somewhere?
Why yes there is video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1eQ5U4UOq0). The recordings are a week old. We have been iterating.

[marshall]

Why yes there is video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1eQ5U4UOq0). The recordings are a week old. We have been iterating.

But can your robot body slam a bin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqHk50xX1_A

;)

[who716]

curie and carson in einstein finals im calling it know.

[WillRobinson]

curie and carson in einstein finals im calling it know.
Winner?

[Kevin Sevcik]

But can your robot body slam a bin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqHk50xX1_A

;)That's so awesome but so sad that come elims, those bins will be gone by the time it gets to them.

[marshall]

That's so awesome but so sad that come elims, those bins will be gone by the time it gets to them.

QFT.

[themccannman]

But can your robot body slam a bin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqHk50xX1_A

;)

Never before have I seen a recycling bin get RKOed.

[Sunnykx]

To Mr. Johnston and his list of good robots (from Scouting Mentor at 3663): Our lists are amazingly similar. Good to know we're seeing the same things. I know you think 1114 and 148 are great - maybe you mentioned them in an earlier list. I know you had 4450 as an "almost" really good bot. I would put them up there with some of the others you mentioned on the first list. They were completely reliable in eliminations, doing two 5 stacks with container and noodle each match. Many of the really good bots don't do noodles - which are the equivalent of another tote on a capped 5 stack - making it like a capped 6 stack.

We'll be watching the can-burgling carefully. Speed and amount of cans will be very important.

Looking forward to seeing you and your team soon! - Kristi

[s_forbes]

We'll be watching the can-burgling carefully. Speed and amount of cans will be very important.

Hopefully our new grabbers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNyMEM3njrM) will be up to the task!

If anyone wants a complete tote harvesting mechanism, we'll have one available in our pits. Mounts to a kit chassis. We only see cans now.

[glennword]

Hopefully our new grabbers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNyMEM3njrM) will be up to the task!

If anyone wants a complete tote harvesting mechanism, we'll have one available in our pits. Mounts to a kit chassis. We only see cans now.

The return of the tape measure!

[Sunnykx]

842 - How good are you at picking up cans on their sides? That seems like that is going to be a big deal, too. Most of the robots that pull cans leave them on their sides. That's fine, but only if the puller or its partners can pick up the can and use it. Well, of course, there is the whole can deprivation aspect that is useful against one's opponents, too.

[s_forbes]

842 - How good are you at picking up cans on their sides? That seems like that is going to be a big deal, too. Most of the robots that pull cans leave them on their sides. That's fine, but only if the puller or its partners can pick up the can and use it. Well, of course, there is the whole can deprivation aspect that is useful against one's opponents, too.

I suppose we'll show what we can do during matches, but that's basically all we've been practicing for the past 4 weeks. Ignoring the totes puts a new perspective on things.

[falconmaster]

Here are three vids of our shooter, less than .26 sechttps://youtu.be/la3SDVpzmXU

https://youtu.be/KC61yim3rcY

https://youtu.be/bDcrWvQdBMM

[Austin2046]

does anyone have video of today's matches? could they post them here?

[Ichlieberoboter]

curie and carson in einstein finals im calling it know.

Entirely possible, but Newton's really killin' it right now! Super impressive scores! They could really give curie and carson a run for their money.

[BHS_STopping]

Anticipate wacky canburglar battles tomorrow.

[Doug G]

Well.. 1114 brought out the harpoon cheesecake this afternoon. Should be interesting tomorrow!

[MikLast]

#CurieUnderdogDreamTeam

Alliance 8 is just crazy in the QF's, getting a 235 avg, beating out 148/1114 alliance!

[Robby Unruh]

Anybody know why 148/1114 are only running two bots?

[microbuns]

Where was 1114 and 148s partner these last 2 games?

[kylestach1678]

Maybe in the Cheesecake Factory?

[JohnFogarty]

Dat 4613 captained number 8 alliance. Gee wiz.

[Kpchem]

Dat 4613 captained number 8 alliance. Gee wiz.

Every other alliance passed on 4061, who can consistently put up 2 stacks. Combine that with 1318's can-burglar and landfill stacking abilities and of course 4613's own abilities, and you get a very potent alliance.

[JohnFogarty]

Every other alliance passed on 4061, who can consistently put up 2 stacks. Combine that with 1318's can-burglar and landfill stacking abilities and of course 4613's own abilities, and you get a very potent alliance.

I knew they could create an awesome alliance as the 8th captain. Glad to see they did.

[MikLast]

RIP 1114/148

They are losing their cool, making mistakes, unless they can bring it up in two matches theyre gone.

[BHS_STopping]

I have no idea who will win this division.

[JohnFogarty]

What was the score of Semi match 2? It's not on TBA. Based on the averages I'm seeing both the 1 seed and the 8 seed alliances didn't do too well against each other.

[plnyyanks]

What was the score of Semi match 2? It's not on TBA. Based on the averages I'm seeing both the 1 seed and the 8 seed alliances didn't do too well against each other.

Yeah, sorry. I missed the score for sf2. If anybody's got it, I'll enter it

[BHS_STopping]

I'm fairly certain Alliance 1 scored 113 in sf2. 148s stacked got misaligned when 1923 backed up too far in auto. 1114 also dropped a stack.

[angusg]

I will have photos of the score after SF2, just let me recover from the lack of sleep and I will find it and confirm. What a wild ride! Thanks to everyone who believed in us!

[Karthik]

RIP 1114/148


Umm, no.

With so many well formed alliances, Curie was a battle; one that we were proud to survive and win. Congratulations to all the great teams we played with and against, especially 107 for an amazing two days of qualification matches, and the #3, #7, and #8 alliances, for a powerful show in the Playoffs.

[tprize]

Well that was a rookie season for the books. Curie/Carver Rookie All-Stars and Division Finalists. Special thanks to team 3663 for selecting us as their fourth pick for the 3rd Alliance you guys were the best alliance captains ever! As well as thank you to Bear Metal and MisCar as well as congratulations for your amazing showing in the Curie playoffs! Hopefully we can see all four teams return to St Louis next year.

[SciBorg Dave]

Every other alliance passed on 4061, who can consistently put up 2 stacks. Combine that with 1318's can-burglar and landfill stacking abilities and of course 4613's own abilities, and you get a very potent alliance.
The Australian team 4613 Red Crusade. Knew who they wanted to play with saying no to a higher alliance and then forming alliance #8.

They picked 1318 IRS, 4061 SciBorgs and 4143 MARS/WARS.
Had a great run just missing out to be in the Finals.
You were fun to play with. I hope our paths will cross again.

[Sunnykx]

To picking 5586 to be on our alliance: You got it! We were delighted to be able to pick you. We were confident you could step in and do a great job if needed. We hope you continue to go on and do great things! You're a great Rookie team!

[angusg]

Umm, no.

With so many well formed alliances, Curie was a battle; one that we were proud to survive and win. Congratulations to all the great teams we played with and against, especially 107 for an amazing two days of qualification matches, and the #3, #7, and #8 alliances, for a powerful show in the Playoffs.

Hear, hear. Congrats for winning Curie - we were cheering for you at Einstein.

1114s robot just makes everything look so easy, and we know things were definitely not easy! One of our kids' parents couldn't stop talking about how graceful the "rock lobster" was on the field. Can't wait for next year!!

[angusg]

I'm fairly certain Alliance 1 scored 113 in sf2. 148s stacked got misaligned when 1923 backed up too far in auto. 1114 also dropped a stack.

Yep, it was 113 to 158

[ThunderChief]

You can find a summary of Championship video links posted so far at:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1480890&postcount=3

You can find some Curie matches on The Blue Alliance. For example, Playoffs - Final 2 is at:
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015cur_f1m2 :)