Booing 2 Championships during the top 10

[Thad House]

Thank you to everyone that booed :cool:



Note that this is my opinion and not the teams.

[Chris_Ely]

Since when is booing anything acceptable behavior?

[tickspe15]

I'd like to know what the person who wrote the "FRC top 10" was expecting the crowds reaction to be.

[AGPapa]

Since when is booing anything acceptable behavior?

Booing high school students is certainly not acceptable, but are you seriously suggesting that people should never show disapproval of anything?

FIRST HQ is destroying the very event that all of these students are currently at, why shouldn't they show their disapproval of FIRST making a joke about the issue?

[grstex]

Thank you to everyone that booed :cool:

Classy.

[dodar]

Did anyone video tape the top 10 from the crowd's perspective?

[Chris_Ely]

Booing high school students is certainly not acceptable, but are you seriously suggesting that people should never show disapproval of anything?

No, but there are other ways of showing disapproval of something; like at the Town Hall Meeting, contacting FIRST, the other threads on CD, etc.

[DampRobot]

What did everyone actually boo at?

[Whippet]

I'm going to second the request for video. What was the booing about?

[SoulianPride]

Not everyone is against two championships...

[donnie99]

The booing was about how there are going to be 2 championships starting in 2017.

[MARS_James]

They booed Number 1 which was something like:

For the 2017 Championship will there be 1 Top 10 or 2 Top 5's?

[g_sawchuk]

Two is better than one!
Right?
Right.

Right...

Not too GP to boo.

[bam-bam]

What did everyone actually boo at?

I'm going to second the request for video. What was the booing about?

The last item was whether there will be a singular top ten list or two top five lists due to the splitting of the championship.

I'm neutral right now, but I agree on that being mentioned when the topic is being hotly debated right now.

[Skyehawk]

I'll have to listen back through the livestream I recorded.

While booing isn't "nice" it can be acceptable in my opinion if a large group voices their opinion, it is after all just a reaction to the news.

[coalhot]

https://www.facebook.com/E3RoboticsCenter/videos/659867410810623/

[wesbass23]

Maybe they weren't booing, maybe they were just saying "twooooo"

[ASmith1675]

Maybe they weren't booing, maybe they were just saying "twooooo"

http://s.likes-media.com/img/f26e6808654ddbb914a438fa5a48bc11

[Alan Anderson]

My reaction was an "oooh!" of surprise at the reference to the Championshplit. I can imagine someone misunderstanding it, especially if they were primed for an expression of dislike.

[tickspe15]

I booed

[George Nishimura]

There are times when booing is inappropriate, but this was not one of those times. It was a short, harmless and spontaneous form of protest.

[grstex]

There are times when booing is inappropriate, but this was not one of those times. It was a short, harmless and spontaneous form of protest.

Its a question of class. I remember gracious professionalism being defined as behaving in a way that would make your grandmother proud. I'm all for protest, but booing is what Cubs fans do. :yikes:

[Michael Hill]

Its a question of class. I remember gracious professionalism being defined as behaving in a way that would make your grandmother proud. I'm all for protest, but booing is what Cubs fans do. :yikes:

What if my grandma's a Cubs fan?

[orangemoore]

Its a question of class. I remember gracious professionalism being defined as behaving in a way that would make your grandmother proud. I'm all for protest, but booing is what Cubs fans do. :yikes:

I think it is an interesting way for people to make a point very publicly. No one in the community is very happy that FIRST kept the 2 championships idea under wraps until 2 weeks before the World championship. FIRST, to my knowledge, has taken any input from the community on this idea at all. And the town hall meeting was scheduled and set up where many people or teams had to choose between lunch or the meeting.

Booing or not cheering is the biggest way the community has to show their thoughts on the idea. It also puts it into a more public light that the community is not happy.

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Also not cool. I'm a Cubs fan and you are taking an unwarranted jab at me. :mad:

[ratdude747]

Its a question of class. I remember gracious professionalism being defined as behaving in a way that would make your grandmother proud. I'm all for protest, but booing is what Cubs fans do. :yikes:

Or Eagles fans (they booed Santa Claus!) :D :D

(if you're an Eagles fan, no disrespect intended).

[Leav]

Heck, we were watching over live stream and I spontaneously boo'd (mildly).

FIRST has been very clear that nothing is going to change about the decision, but they had plenty of time to recognize that the very wide majority of the community is against the whole idea and a lot of people are rather offended by the way things were decided. It was just more salt over the wound.

[Sunshine]

........ And if, just if they put that up to get a pulse of how people felt, booing was ok...... Just ok.mit wasn't a disruptive booing. It was Mike in nature. There is a dif.

[grstex]

I think it is an interesting way for people to make a point very publicly. No one in the community is very happy that FIRST kept the 2 championships idea under wraps until 2 weeks before the World championship. FIRST, to my knowledge, has taken any input from the community on this idea at all. And the town hall meeting was scheduled and set up where many people or teams had to choose between lunch or the meeting.

Booing or not cheering is the biggest way the community has to show their thoughts on the idea. It also puts it into a more public light that the community is not happy.

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Also not cool. I'm a Cubs fan and you are taking an unwarranted jab at me. :mad:


Fair enough, I apologize for the Cubs remark.

Ask yourself, though, why were you offended? Why would booing be frowned upon in one situation and not the other? Booing is a sign of disrespect. That is self evident. And yet, this thread you started to praise those who booed FIRST. In 18 years I've NEVER even heard of booing in FIRST. And while I can sympathize with the feelings of those who booed, I cannot respect those who would praise the action. AGAIN, how would you feel if about these actions if your grandmother was watching?

(And before anyone says that FIRST disrespected the community, remember that they're at least trying to address some of the concerns. The proposals they brought up at the town hall will at least somewhat address they concerns I've seen brought up. They are at least trying to listen.)

[grstex]

Or Eagles fans (they booed Santa Claus!) :D :D

(if you're an Eagles fan, no disrespect intended).

HA! For the record, I AM an Eagles fan! And no disrespect taken at all! :D :D :D

[Pretzel]

My grandmother was there and I still mildly booed (not mean or nasty booing, just letting an opinion be heard). Since when was showing displeasure at a major decision made without input from those it affects a rude thing to do, especially when they then poke fun at it later.

[smart1]

In my opinion they should not have made that joke, I think that was disrespectful so it got a justifiably disrespectful response. The town hall meeting is all show they don't want peoples input they want you to think that they do, why do you think they announced it when they did?

[Caleb Sykes]

In 18 years I've NEVER even heard of booing in FIRST.

Maybe that means something is unique about this situation.

[Siri]

Ask yourself, though, why were you offended? Why would booing be frowned upon in one situation and not the other? Booing is a sign of disrespect. That is self evident. And yet, this thread you started to praise those who booed FIRST. In 18 years I've NEVER even heard of booing in FIRST. And while I can sympathize with the feelings of those who booed, I cannot respect those who would praise the action. AGAIN, how would you feel if about these actions if your grandmother was watching?(emphasis mine.) Why do you feel it's self-evident? If everyone who booed in the stadium had instead shouted "We are very displeased with this decision!", would that be disrespectful? Is there a different way to convey this emotion that you don't feel is disrespectful but is still logistically comprehensible?

You can think that booing is always disrespectful, that doesn't mean it universally interpreted as such. Booing in a shorthand form of displeasure. When you boo a stand-up comic or a theatrical monologue, you're not saying "We're displeased with this decision!" you're speaking directly to a performer/player by saying "You personally suck!" Unless FIRSTers were personally trying to torment the guy reading the list, there's nothing personal about the delivery as such. It's like grousing the newscast of a legal ruling you don't like. You're angry, not mean.

(And before anyone says that FIRST disrespected the community, remember that they're at least trying to address some of the concerns. The proposals they brought up at the town hall will at least somewhat address they concerns I've seen brought up. They are at least trying to listen.)Okay, I'll say it after I read this: I think FIRST disrespected the community. I don't think this has anything to do with the topic at hand, and you're free to disagree with that interpretation, but understand that nothing they have or could do now changes what they already did then.

[T^2]

In 18 years I've NEVER even heard of booing in FIRST.

You weren't there in 2012, when FIRST tried to ignore the blatant comms failures on Einstein?

[gblake]

I recommend not going overboard in any direction when reacting to, or discussing, what happened.

If you are around long enough, you learn that something like a "boo" can, and does, mean a great many different things (see the posts here).

No one here should think their interpretation is the only correct one. There is no single correct perspective.

Blake

[Andrew Schreiber]

Okay, I'll say it after I read this: I think FIRST disrespected the community. I don't think this has anything to do with the topic at hand, and you're free to disagree with that interpretation, but understand that nothing they have or could do now changes what they already did then.

I'll second this. FIRST has disrespected the community more and more over the years. The first time I really noticed it was 2012 when Bill Miller stood up at a regional and told teams that all comms failures were the fault of the teams and the FMS was perfect. Then Einstein happened.

Over the years it's become more and more apparent that, not only is HQ out of touch with the reality of a community that has grown up around their program, but that they frankly don't care. They pay lip service to the volunteers that keep their program running but then don't listen to them when they raise concerns about things like overworked refs last year or the importance of feedback on the Chairman's presentation.

I skipped the Town Hall meeting because I thought I knew what it would be; More lip service about more open communication. From what I heard, it was worse than that, it was outright disrespect to the people and teams that should be the best representatives that FIRST has.

Frankly, if FIRST continues down this path and all we do is boo at a bad joke during an Einstein that was nearly 2 hours behind schedule, I'll be shocked.

[GeeTwo]

Thank you to everyone that booed :cool:

Up where I was (section 448, in the corner at the "Mass" end, in the "wheelchair row") it drew laughter. Uncomfortable laughter (me). Cynical laughter (side). Hysterical laughter (behind). I did not notice any booing. I had to read follow-up posts to know what you were posting about.

[cricket66]

Wrong

[Woolly]

Is voicing displeasure with a situation in a reasonable manner really disrespectful when born of the desire to see FIRST, the Championship, and STEM awareness improved and not degraded?

[Andrew Y.]

I booed. No shame. I did it.

[ehochstein]

And the town hall meeting was scheduled and set up where many people or teams had to choose between lunch or the meeting.


Would you rather choose between a match your team plays in and the town hall?

[dodar]

Would you rather choose between a match your team plays in and the town hall?

Id rather choose from going to the town hall meeting or getting back to the hotel at an earlier time. No reason why they couldnt have done it after matches on Thursday.

[LittleDries]

It felt more like an oooo than a boo, i dont think people were expecting it

[Ichlieberoboter]

I was watching the live stream on TBA at full volume and I didn't hear anything, so I have no idea what it actually was.

[Koko Ed]

It got awkward. #2soon

[MechEng83]

It felt more like an oooo than a boo, i dont think people were expecting it
That's exactly what it sounded like in the upper deck where my team was.

It got awkward. #2soon

After about 5 seconds, I actually shouted "TOO SOON!" and got a big laugh from a lot of people around me.

It's still a raw emotion kind of thing, and I really don't think the reference was made in good taste.

[AndrewPospeshil]

Generally against booing for most occasions, but I feel like this time it was okay. It was short and not disruptive in any way. It didn't go on for an unecessarily long period of time, and it was fairly mild. I think it's a bit too "worshipping" of FIRST to say that you aren't allowed to boo a decision they make - it doesn't mean you despise everything the organization does, it means you just disagreed with one (major) choice. If there was a riot or something that'd be a different story, but I think some public disapproval isn't too out of line here.

[Jardanium]

I personally didn't hear the booing, but I do know the reaction of teams around me wasn't excitement or laughter.

I feel it was more of a "too soon" kind of a joke.

[Big Ideas]

Back to the jokes. Mostly I listen to top 10s to judge how many hits vs. misses. Even professionals (Letterman writers) are doing well to hit 8 out of 10. What can you expect from amateurs trying to be funny. In this case, they would have been safer talking about the possibility of a Water Game.;)

[Matt_Boehm_329]

Water game is always a safe joke. I think the #1 fell more into the too soon category