[FF]: 2016 Season Long Fantasy FIRST

[Navid Shafa]

Has high score been eliminated as a point getter at regionals, cause it is listed under championship but not regionals.

We've been counting it in the automated scoring system, a confirmation would be nice.

[EricH]

We've been counting it in the automated scoring system, a confirmation would be nice.
High score is still counted, 5 points for all teams in that alliance. As I recall it's quals high score only.

[Navid Shafa]

High score is still counted, 5 points for all teams in that alliance. As I recall it's quals high score only.

As of right now I believe Sunny has it checking overall event high score, want to verify that ruling? We can get that changed if so.

Also, I have removed the rosters from the drafting schedule sheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-UItQm4bouwKWyS88iKqCNegZ6sxVKEtMZdErWSJin8/edit#gid=0), and will now be only updating the Live Scoring Raw Picks sheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nfyPL6sgqG7YleQRs2UkBUhv6ZlB2kWZcnQY17fONrw/edit#gid=603376425).

As of right now these rosters are up to date, excluding the pending waiver at Bayou on 5872. Note: Many of the CD threads have not been caught up to reflect all the waivers and trades.

[EricH]

As of right now these rosters are up to date, excluding the pending waiver at Bayou on 5872. Note: Many of the CD threads have not been caught up to reflect all the waivers and trades.
*checks waiver post*
*checks time*

It's after midnight Eastern, and nobody else has asked for the Bayou team. Looks like TBC is getting a fresh team.


Current Waiver Priority
FIRST Pick
Rotten Fruit Alliance
OrangeJuice
Swamp Life
The ULCAN
Broconnor
Falcon
The Breakfast Company


Oh, right, the high score. It's not clearly called out in the rules. High EVENT score it is, then. I'll have to remember to make a note about that.

[ttldomination]

Folks,

Just as a reminder, the automated scoring sheet is available here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nfyPL6sgqG7YleQRs2UkBUhv6ZlB2kWZcnQY17fONrw/edit#gid=1313224899), and the scores are up-to-date as of 7:39 PM on 3/5.

With that being said, I would like to encourage folks to double check the sheet, and please let me know if you find any errors (points missing, missing data, etc.).

Thanks,
- Sunny G.

[tindleroot]

Folks,

Just as a reminder, the automated scoring sheet is available here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nfyPL6sgqG7YleQRs2UkBUhv6ZlB2kWZcnQY17fONrw/edit#gid=1313224899), and the scores are up-to-date as of 7:39 PM on 3/5.

With that being said, I would like to encourage folks to double check the sheet, and please let me know if you find any errors (points missing, missing data, etc.).

Thanks,
- Sunny G.

I checked FIRST Pick's scores (my team) and came up with the following results:

GTRC: (Automatic) 170, (Us) 165. Update: 4001 only scored 15 award points, not 20 (Creativity).
Lake Superior: Good
Northern Lights: Good
San Diego: (Automatic) 87, (Us) 138. This is probably because of the automated system being outdated.

Also, We only have 35 listed for FIM even though 1025 scored 77 points (again probably the outdated-ness), And I have us for 84 in PNW, not 85. I'm not referencing the other districts since they are incomplete.

I might have made some mistakes since I'm scoring for the first time.

[ttldomination]

I checked FIRST Pick's scores (my team) and came up with the following results:

GTRC: (Automatic) 170, (Us) 165. Update: 4001 only scored 15 award points, not 20 (Creativity).
Lake Superior: Good
Northern Lights: Good
San Diego: (Automatic) 87, (Us) 138. This is probably because of the automated system being outdated.

Also, We only have 35 listed for FIM even though 1025 scored 77 points (again probably the outdated-ness), And I have us for 84 in PNW, not 85. I'm not referencing the other districts since they are incomplete.

I might have made some mistakes since I'm scoring for the first time.


Looking at the issues:

With 4001, the automated system is giving them 5 extra points for the highest score. That would make it a total of 20 for Creativity Award and the Highest Score.

San Diego, I believe the issue was older data. Automated scoring is showing 138 in San Diego for you guys.

FIM, Refreshed data is showing 77 points for you guys.

PNW, Refreshed data is showing 85 points for you guys.

That should address all the issues. In addition, there was an issue with data formatting impacting the MAR district; thanks to Navid for bringing that to my attention.

If there's anything else, please let us know,
- Sunny G.

[tindleroot]

Looking at the issues:

With 4001, the automated system is giving them 5 extra points for the highest score. That would make it a total of 20 for Creativity Award and the Highest Score.

San Diego, I believe the issue was older data. Automated scoring is showing 138 in San Diego for you guys.

FIM, Refreshed data is showing 77 points for you guys.

PNW, Refreshed data is showing 85 points for you guys.

That should address all the issues. In addition, there was an issue with data formatting impacting the MAR district; thanks to Navid for bringing that to my attention.

If there's anything else, please let us know,
- Sunny G.

As of last night, thanks to a missed tie in quals, all of my data matches yours. Thanks for making the automated scoring!

[BrennanB]

ULCAN needs a random at GTRC, 4777 didn't compete and has a 0 score.

Also at San diego with 2504

Fun visuals:

https://i.gyazo.com/1603d2f60dc0163ccded1bf872cb458d.png

https://i.gyazo.com/fafe300ac0c73b476e0100afe0a55078.png

[Navid Shafa]

ULCAN needs a random at GTRC, 4777 didn't compete and has a 0 score.

Also at San diego with 2504

Fun visuals:


I fixed those missing teams for The ULCAN, thanks for keeping an eye out. Love the charts, can you keep it up throughout the season? Maybe with a breakdown of Regionals/Districts, and overall weekly changing totals?

[tindleroot]

IIRC, inter-district play counts towards the home district as well. In that case, Falcon, The ULCAN, and OrangeJuice should get points respectively for Indiana's 234, 1501, and 5188 who all played in NC last weekend. Similar for other inter-district teams, if there were any others. This should be reflected in the Automated Scoring sheet as well.

[Navid Shafa]

IIRC, inter-district play counts towards the home district as well. In that case, Falcon, The ULCAN, and OrangeJuice should get points respectively for Indiana's 234, 1501, and 5188 who all played in NC last weekend. Similar for other inter-district teams, if there were any others. This should be reflected in the Automated Scoring sheet as well.

Good catch. Yes, I believe it's the average of scores a team receives at every district they compete in (including inter-district play).

[BrennanB]

I fixed those missing teams for The ULCAN, thanks for keeping an eye out. Love the charts, can you keep it up throughout the season? Maybe with a breakdown of Regionals/Districts, and overall weekly changing totals?

Good idea and will do :)

[ttldomination]

IIRC, inter-district play counts towards the home district as well. In that case, Falcon, The ULCAN, and OrangeJuice should get points respectively for Indiana's 234, 1501, and 5188 who all played in NC last weekend. Similar for other inter-district teams, if there were any others. This should be reflected in the Automated Scoring sheet as well.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention; we've implemented a fix and the automated scoring should work as expected.

There was also an issue where some week 6 regionals were not showing up. We've made the fix and now all week 6 regionals should be available.

Let us know if there's anything else,
- Sunny G.

[BrennanB]

Again there are still some randoms that need to be added

[Navid Shafa]

Again there are still some randoms that need to be added

Point them out and I'll make the swaps. I am caught up on roster changes (Other than RFA's last three free trades).

Edit: Added randoms that needed to be filled for no-shows as suggested:


FF Team Event Out In
Swamp Life San Diego 5896 4486
The Breakfast Company Arkansas Rock City 4849 2461
Rotten Fruit Alliance Arkansas Rock City 4215 2359
The ULCAN Greater Kansas City 938 3172
The ULCAN Greater Toronto East 1310 2198
The ULCAN Orlando Regional 5967 5145

[EricH]

I'd like to remind folks that if a team competed in an event this last weekend, they're on waiver until tomorrow night if somebody picks them up.

[BrennanB]

I'd like to remind folks that if a team competed in an event this last weekend, they're on waiver until tomorrow night if somebody picks them up.

Where is this rule found?

[EricH]

Where is this rule found?
It was put in earlier this season, but didn't make it into the rulebook yet. Gimme a minute to dig up the links.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1550597&postcount=248
Discussion started at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1515462&postcount=207. I heard no objections at that time, or when I brought it up last week.

[BrennanB]

It was put in earlier this season, but didn't make it into the rulebook yet. Gimme a minute to dig up the links (there's more than one, because it was discussed back in drafting time).

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1550597&postcount=248

Perfect thanks. :)

[ghostmachine360]

RFA -

NC District:
5511 (OUT), 4290 (IN)

IN District:
4485 (OUT), 4982 (IN)

MAR District:
2729 (OUT), 834 (IN)

MI District:
107 (OUT), 4377 (IN)

CHS District:
1895 (OUT), 2199 (IN)

NE District:
246 (OUT), 4761 (IN)

[Anthony Galea]

RFA -

NC District:
5511 (OUT), 4290 (IN)

IN District:
4485 (OUT), 4982 (IN)

MAR District:
2729 (OUT), 834 (IN)

MI District:
107 (OUT), 4377 (IN)

CHS District:
1895 (OUT), 2199 (IN)

NE District:
246 (OUT), 4761 (IN)

Are we allowed to switch out teams when they have already competed in one district? It would seem like you could compare it to switching out in the middle of an event.

[EricH]

Are we allowed to switch out teams when they have already competed in one district? It would seem like you could compare it to switching out in the middle of an event.
I checked the rules on that, couldn't find anything.

I'd say ONE event is the limit for district teams. I seem to remember that being the ruling either this year or last year.

[ghostmachine360]

I checked the rules on that, couldn't find anything.

I'd say ONE event is the limit for district teams. I seem to remember that being the ruling either this year or last year.

I'm looking to find it again, but that's the ruling I was going off from for these changes.

[Anthony Galea]

I checked the rules on that, couldn't find anything.

I'd say ONE event is the limit for district teams. I seem to remember that being the ruling either this year or last year.

If this is the ruling, I would like to swap 2959 with 3548 and 4362 for 2851 (I know they haven't competed yet, would that only count their second event?) in FiM.

[EricH]

If this is the ruling, I would like to swap 2959 with 3548 and 4362 for 2851 (I know they haven't competed yet, would that only count their second event?) in FiM.You'll end up with the average scores based on the alliance you have at the end of the district season.

[Navid Shafa]

All swaps have been processed, the Live Scoring sheet is up to date.

[BrennanB]

More fun visualizations. If you have any suggestions of things you want to see let me know.

Firstly the overall picture:

https://i.gyazo.com/0a8f7f507c58c88d9db9f0a9dba90355.png
https://i.gyazo.com/c264523c565e53f3e2f5c3ac0b4dd0d0.png

Week 2 stats ONLY:

https://i.gyazo.com/d8deb6930039444b29856d9bb078dbca.png
https://i.gyazo.com/2569a6d88466903a2add16aae687d03d.png

Districts ONLY:

https://i.gyazo.com/ee8cbb9257eba9b35cefcac9ba3a9521.png

[BrennanB]

Also we shouldn't have recieved points from 68 since they played in a regional not a district. :ahh:

[tindleroot]

Also we shouldn't have recieved points from 68 since they played in a regional not a district. :ahh:

Tippecanoe was a district event that 68 played at.

[BrennanB]

Tippecanoe was a district event that 68 played at.

Ah right you are. Remind me to not check regional info at 3 am. xD

[jlmcmchl]

Tippecanoe was a district event that 68 played at.

68 is from Brandon / Holly, Michigan. They were competing in Indiana.

This is the same situation as 27 or 217 competing at Buckeye this weekend. They're competing outside of their district. Appropriately so, 27, 68 and 217 do not get points for FiM based on their performances outside FiM.

In addition, 68 could not compete for Chairman's or Engineering Inspiration, as that would require them attending the Indiana District Championship. So they literally could not achieve the same number of points as any other team there, excluding 1701, which is also in the same boat (being from Michigan).

68 should not get FF points for Indiana. We don't allow them to be drafted in Indiana, so they shouldn't get FF points for competing in Indiana.

[Navid Shafa]

68 is from Brandon / Holly, Michigan. They were competing in Indiana.

This is the same situation as 27 or 217 competing at Buckeye this weekend. They're competing outside of their district. Appropriately so, 27, 68 and 217 do not get points for FiM based on their performances outside FiM.

In addition, 68 could not compete for Chairman's or Engineering Inspiration, as that would require them attending the Indiana District Championship. So they literally could not achieve the same number of points as any other team there, excluding 1701, which is also in the same boat (being from Michigan).

68 should not get FF points for Indiana. We don't allow them to be drafted in Indiana, so they shouldn't get FF points for competing in Indiana.

Your logic seems sound. I'd be one in favor of modifying the rules now or in the future to perhaps only include the first two events in district that a team competes at. There are other factors like bowing out of playoffs out of state, or at third plays in their own region that may mess with a team's average. It adds an inconsistency across teams that are drafted. Certainly something worth discussing in my opinion.

[tindleroot]

Your logic seems sound. I'd be one in favor of modifying the rules now or in the future to perhaps only include the first two events in district that a team competes at. There are other factors like bowing out of playoffs out of state, or at third plays in their own region that may mess with a team's average. It adds an inconsistency across teams that are drafted. Certainly something worth discussing in my opinion.

I would agree that this issue is worth discussing for the future, however, I believe the current ruling should stand through the season as I adjusted my picks accordingly to said rules (and I would suggest anyone do the same - play to the rules laid out even if they don't necessarily make sense).

[EricH]

I would agree that this issue is worth discussing for the future, however, I believe the current ruling should stand through the season as I adjusted my picks accordingly to said rules (and I would suggest anyone do the same - play to the rules laid out even if they don't necessarily make sense).
Same here.

For this season, as noted, district teams playing in district events get their points averaged for all district events (regardless of district location), while district teams playing in regionals get the regional points they earn. Easiest way to sum it up.

For next season... we'll figure that out after the season ends.

[tindleroot]

If two alliances are tied for high score, how is that scored? Do all 6 teams receive 5 points?

[BrennanB]

If two alliances are tied for high score, how is that scored? Do all 6 teams receive 5 points?

Yep.

[Navid Shafa]

I've got a long list of swaps to process, I checked to make sure they are legal. None of these teams competed this weekend and as such shouldn't be waivers. I'll post when these are implemented.


FF Team OUT IN Event
TBC 1723 3928 Iowa
TBC 5906 2883 Iowa
TBC 3988 5910 Montreal
TBC 4239 5914 North Star
TBC 3137 2053 SBPLI
TBC 1388 5802 Ventura
TBC 5802 3309 Ventura
TBC 2695 4587 Oklahoma
TBC 5411 3478 Dallas
FP 5762 3661 NC
TBC 4939 5631 Waterloo
TBC 5807 865 North Bay
TBC 4285 5624 MAR
TBC 2635 4131 PNW
TBC 3494 3559 IN
FP 5484 3147 IN


*TBC = TheBreakfastCompany *FP = First Pick

[ghostmachine360]

Rocket City: 4188 (IN), 1706 (OUT)
Free agent, has been two days since competing.
PCH: 1683 (OUT), 4910 (IN)
Free agent, has been two days since competing.

[Navid Shafa]

I've gotten behind... Here's more to add to my processing list:


FF Team OUT IN Event
FP 3543 5807 North Bay
FP 687 4984 Las Vegas
RFA 1706 4188 Rocket City
RFA 1683 4910 PCH
TBC 1559 3044 Finger Lakes



*Edit, the earlier Oklahoma drop for TBC is 2395 not 2695 as I mistyped...


I'm working on getting caught up as we speak.

Update: All swaps *excluding the Waterloo issue with TBC* have been processed. The scoring sheet has been updated as of 3/21/16, 9:13pm ET

[Navid Shafa]

Submitting some swaps and going to process the 2 new Waterloo requests as well:


FF Team OUT IN Event
Ulcan 5719 4940 Waterloo
Ulcan 5158 1285 Waterloo
RFA 1389 5546 CHS
RFA 5112 172 NE
RFA 6012 2197 IN
RFA 3974 5404 MAR
RFA 4749 5632 PCH

[Navid Shafa]

TBC is busy, mroe swaps to process:


FF Team OUT IN Event
TBC 4630 281 Smoky Mountains
TBC 5416 3991 Lone Star
TBC 5872 4240 South Florida
TBC 2028 1389 CHS
TBC 1712 3974 MAR



Edit: All above are processed.
_____________________________

Submitting some more to process:


FF Team OUT IN Event
RFA 3350 3735 Dallas Regional
RFA 5672 4069 North Bay Regional
RFA 1209 4403 Oklahoma Regional
RFA 2073 2102 Sacramento Regional
RFA 3145 4009 Idaho Regional
FP 314 5926 MI
RFA 3200 2486 Las Vegas

[ghostmachine360]

MI: 3688 (IN), 74 (OUT)

[thatprogrammer]

NE
out:2170 In 1099
out: 3146 IN 839

[BrennanB]

2486 at LVR is a waiver claim. 836 is already picked. Can we put claims in threads instead of here? It's a bit of a pain to have to check here.

Also rule wise. It's kinda crap that the pick stealing strategy has devolved into "wait till they are free agents then pick them"

[thatprogrammer]

2486 at LVR is a waiver claim. 836 is already picked. Can we put claims in threads instead of here? It's a bit of a pain to have to check here.
Yeah, I'd prefer that too. It makes it easier to follow, though having everything in 1 thread makes it easier to update rosters. Can we set it up so it is posted in both?

[BrennanB]

4009 is a waiver claim as well

[Navid Shafa]

836 is already picked.

First Pick is trading in 839, which is free?

Here are the list of swaps I just processed:


FF Team OUT IN Event
RFA 3350 3735 Dallas Regional
RFA 5672 4069 North Bay Regional
RFA 1209 4403 Oklahoma Regional
RFA 2073 2102 Sacramento Regional
FP 314 5926 MI
TBC 2551 2073 Sacramento Regional
RFA 74 3688 MI
FP 2170 1099 NE
FP 3146 839 NE



Yes, you're correct, the other two (2486, 4009) are Waivers, we'll leave those two on the board as submitted waiver claims.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

2486 at LVR is a waiver claim. 836 is already picked. Can we put claims in threads instead of here? It's a bit of a pain to have to check here.

Also rule wise. It's kinda crap that the pick stealing strategy has devolved into "wait till they are free agents then pick them"

I'm not a big fan of being able to trade in teams that have already played. At least them being free trades part. I think they should be waiver teams indefinitely so it's not an arms race to trade in teams once they are free. At least that's what I believed to be the point of FF. To make educated predictions of who will do well and form your team, not they were decent in their last event so lets get them. Idk I'm okay either way but next season it is a change I would like to see.

[BrennanB]

First Pick is trading in 839, which is free?

Here are the list of swaps I just processed:


Whoops 839 =/= 836.

My bad.

I'm not a big fan of being able to trade in teams that have already played. At least them being free trades part. I think they should be waiver teams indefinitely so it's not an arms race to trade in teams once they are free. At least that's what I believed to be the point of FF. To make educated predictions of who will do well and form your team, not they were decent in their last event so lets get them. Idk I'm okay either way but next season it is a change I would like to see.

I think the reasoning beforehand was that waivers are time consuming for Eric to deal with, which is why it's run like this. But this is the most competitive I have seen FF thusfar, and it might be worth changing

[ttldomination]

I'm not a big fan of being able to trade in teams that have already played. At least them being free trades part. I think they should be waiver teams indefinitely so it's not an arms race to trade in teams once they are free. At least that's what I believed to be the point of FF. To make educated predictions of who will do well and form your team, not they were decent in their last event so lets get them. Idk I'm okay either way but next season it is a change I would like to see.

I think the reasoning beforehand was that waivers are time consuming for Eric to deal with, which is why it's run like this. But this is the most competitive I have seen FF thusfar, and it might be worth changing

If we end up implementing this, then, I feel like waivers ought to be handled privately.

- Sunny G.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

Whoops 839 =/= 836.

My bad.



I think the reasoning beforehand was that waivers are time consuming for Eric to deal with, which is why it's run like this. But this is the most competitive I have seen FF thusfar, and it might be worth changing

If somebody(I guess I volunteer) made an online tool that automatically handled waiver claims, would people be open to this? It seems like it would be simple to submit waiver claims and handle them without a person's input. Things that it would publicly display would be waiver priority, teams currently up for claim, and a log of awarded claims. Even if we don't do this for the current year, it would be helpful for waiver claims in general I would think.

[tindleroot]

If somebody(I guess I volunteer) made an online tool that automatically handled waiver claims, would people be open to this? It seems like it would be simple to submit waiver claims and handle them without a person's input. Things that it would publicly display would be waiver priority, teams currently up for claim, and a log of awarded claims. Even if we don't do this for the current year, it would be helpful for waiver claims in general I would think.

I think that this is a good idea.

One other thing I want to propose is to offer waiver priority to teams at a regional who have one (or more) pick drop out of the regional. In these cases, I think it makes sense that their new pick should be allowed regardless of waiver priority and time before the event, but once an event starts, then their team is replaced with a random.

[BrennanB]

One other thing I want to propose is to offer waiver priority to teams at a regional who have one (or more) pick drop out of the regional. In these cases, I think it makes sense that their new pick should be allowed regardless of waiver priority and time before the event, but once an event starts, then their team is replaced with a random.

This already exists.

[tindleroot]

This already exists.

Oh. Didn't know that.

[tindleroot]

Since FIRST Pick is first in the waiver priority, we are going to use that spot on 4009 at Idaho, trading them out with 3513.

[tindleroot]

I think I found a problem with automated scoring right now - if you haven't noticed yet, it appears that the high score points are being awarded to the #1 seed alliance at every event, regardless of who got the actual high scores. This makes the scores at many events incorrect. I've also come across a few cases of missed qualification win scores, particularly at the Arkansas Rock City Regional.

[Navid Shafa]

Since FIRST Pick is first in the waiver priority, we are going to use that spot on 4009 at Idaho, trading them out with 3513.

If that's the case, we move up to first on the waiver priority list and get 2486. I can process these when Eric approves.

[ttldomination]

I think I found a problem with automated scoring right now - if you haven't noticed yet, it appears that the high score points are being awarded to the #1 seed alliance at every event, regardless of who got the actual high scores. This makes the scores at many events incorrect. I've also come across a few cases of missed qualification win scores, particularly at the Arkansas Rock City Regional.

So, I've looked into this, and here's what I found:

Looking specifically at Rock City, the 1st seed did actually get the highest score in Q1, Match 1 with a score of 172.

However, I looked into a couple of events and noticed some discrepancies. I couldn't even tell you what the actual error was, but I've implemented a fix and updated all events up to date.

To help track the highest score a little better, I've added a description column in the RawAwardsData sheet that'll indicate the match and the highest score for which the "award" was granted.

Let me know if this makes sense, and please let us know if you guys find any more issues,
- Sunny G.

[BrennanB]

If that's the case, we move up to first on the waiver priority list and get 2486. I can process these when Eric approves.

I can't even find the rule right now, but I swear that's a thing.

[ghostmachine360]

MI: 910 (OUT), 858 (IN)

[Navid Shafa]

Swapping no-shows for randoms, as Brennan pointed them out:


FF OUT IN Event
OJ 5602 6204 Australia
BRO 3683 120 Buckeye
Swamp 744 2465 Utah
BRO 4158 2484 Utah
FP 4083 3241 Utah
Falcon 972 3289 Utah
Ulcan 5869 4348 Utah
BRO 2403 1891 Utah
TBC 2594 4310 Utah



In Utah's case, I worked down the random list by replacing teams in drafted order. (See reason for the changes in bold below)

[Navid Shafa]

I can't even find the rule right now, but I swear that's a thing.

Just the natural waiver order, which I believe is as follows:


Waiver Priority:
FIRST Pick
Rotten Fruit Alliance
OrangeJuice
Falcon
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
The ULCAN
Broconnor

RFA brought to attention the claims on 4009 (Idaho) and 2486 (Las Vegas). Since FIRST Pick was at the top of the list and RFA second, FIRST Pick had priority and should be rewarded 4009 (swapping out 3513, per their request). They would then move to the bottom of the list, giving RFA 2486 (choosing to drop 3200). I'll wait for Eric to chime in here before processing.

I believe the new waiver priority should be:


Waiver Priority:
OrangeJuice
Falcon
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
The ULCAN
Broconnor
FIRST Pick
Rotten Fruit Alliance



The waiver claim for 48 at Queen City (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1561991#post1561991) is still on the table, posted today by The ULCAN.

[tindleroot]

Swapping no-shows for randoms, as Brennan pointed them out:


FF OUT IN Event
OJ 5602 6204 Australia
BRO 3683 120 Buckeye
Swamp 744 6210 Utah
BRO 4158 2465 Utah
FP 4083 2484 Utah
Falcon 972 3241 Utah
Ulcan 5869 3289 Utah
BRO 2403 4348 Utah
TBC 2594 1891 Utah


In Utah's case, I worked down the random list by replacing teams in drafted order.

Was 6210 also a no-show for Utah? If that's the case randoms need to be moved up.

[Navid Shafa]

Was 6210 also a no-show for Utah? If that's the case randoms need to be moved up.

Good catch, fixed above and in the live-scoring sheet.

[BrennanB]

Visuals for week 3:

We definitely have distict packs forming, RFA solidly in first place, the chase for the remaining spots btwn TBC, FP, Broconnor, and OJ is alive.

https://i.gyazo.com/125d6ada7c3b3ac877c0a16f61a420f7.png

Really what set this breakaway is RFA's killer score at Australia.

https://i.gyazo.com/10ded5068cdd7f0f5a54213523162202.png

And of course their current lead in overall district points

https://i.gyazo.com/1d274305868ff2e79963b347f6f6e787.png

District Points over time:

https://i.gyazo.com/9e077a947615e904207e520a89e2d0ef.png

[BrennanB]

Week 3 specifics:

https://i.gyazo.com/0b549025454a803244726f5f823429e6.png

And we see Australia again with the week 3 progression only:

https://i.gyazo.com/1eedb137e883d67f70411bff5f096fac.png

[EricH]

If somebody(I guess I volunteer) made an online tool that automatically handled waiver claims, would people be open to this? It seems like it would be simple to submit waiver claims and handle them without a person's input. Things that it would publicly display would be waiver priority, teams currently up for claim, and a log of awarded claims. Even if we don't do this for the current year, it would be helpful for waiver claims in general I would think.

I've been working off and on (and haven't gotten very far on) an Excel sheet. Trust me on waivers now being better(ish) than a couple years back.

I think that this is a good idea.

One other thing I want to propose is to offer waiver priority to teams at a regional who have one (or more) pick drop out of the regional. In these cases, I think it makes sense that their new pick should be allowed regardless of waiver priority and time before the event, but once an event starts, then their team is replaced with a random.In the rules--if you're missing a team, you have top waiver priority at that event, regardless of order.

Just the natural waiver order, which I believe is as follows:



RFA brought to attention the claims on 4009 (Idaho) and 2486 (Las Vegas). Since FIRST Pick was at the top of the list and RFA second, FIRST Pick had priority and should be rewarded 4009 (swapping out 3513, per their request). They would then move to the bottom of the list, giving RFA 2486 (choosing to drop 3200). I'll wait for Eric to chime in here before processing.

I believe the new waiver priority should be:


Waiver Priority:
OrangeJuice
Falcon
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
The ULCAN
Broconnor
FIRST Pick
Rotten Fruit Alliance

The waiver claim for 48 at Queen City (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1561991#post1561991) is still on the table, posted today by The ULCAN.
That would be correct. (Falcon is putting a claim on 48, though.)

[ghostmachine360]

RFA:

Queen City: 4028 (IN), 144 (OUT)
South Florida: 2905 (IN), 3556 (IN), 4471 (OUT), 4500 (OUT)
Western Canada: 3211 (IN), 5078 (OUT)

[BrennanB]

2522 in 1378 out hawaii
3802 in 4570 out Hub City
4301 in 4799 out Hub city
5818 in 5461 out Idaho
4125 in 5430 out Idaho
5847 in 2709 out Midwest
2393 in 4740 out Smoky Mountain

[tindleroot]

2522 in 1378 out hawaii
3802 in 4570 out Hub City
4301 in 4799 out Hub city
5818 in 5461 out Idaho
4125 in 5430 out Idaho
5847 in 2709 out Midwest
2393 in 4740 out Smoky Mountain

Are 3802 and 5818 waiver claims since they played this weekend?

[BrennanB]

Yes sir.

While we are on waivers, we are also claiming

4639 Lonestar
4904 SVR
167 North Star
2352 Lonestar

Priority will be sent to Eric privately later.

[Anthony Galea]

Just for the sake of clarity, I have sent in a claim for 5050 in FiM.

[tindleroot]

Automated scoring is still having quite a bit of trouble with district calculations, it seems. Many, many picks for every team are missing points at one or multiple events for ranking and awards. Qualifications win/loss is almost always correct and eliminations performance is always right. In the case of First Pick, my calculations are bringing us more than 300 points higher than the score listed on the Automated Scoring, and I'm sure every other team has similar situations.

If you go into the "Raw Picks" tab and look at districts, you can see the gaps of missing data.

[ttldomination]

Automated scoring is still having quite a bit of trouble with district calculations, it seems. Many, many picks for every team are missing points at one or multiple events for ranking and awards. Qualifications win/loss is almost always correct and eliminations performance is always right. In the case of First Pick, my calculations are bringing us more than 300 points higher than the score listed on the Automated Scoring, and I'm sure every other team has similar situations.

If you go into the "Raw Picks" tab and look at districts, you can see the gaps of missing data.

Just a couple of questions so that I can better understand the issues here:

1) When you say "gaps of missing data", what exactly are you referring to?

2) Can you provide an example of picks that are missing awards and eliminations information at events? This'll help me chase down the issues much quicker.

Thanks,
- Sunny G.

[BrennanB]

Draft order from the 2016 season.

Teams that were kicked/withdrawn from the league were factored out

eg. if the draft was

1. Team that got kicked out/withdrew
2. Team that is still in

The team bumps up to #1 pick position.

Districts aren't included cause it got swapped around.

https://i.gyazo.com/e50cecee5a2b06bb608f9accbc6485bb.png
https://i.gyazo.com/0dd9f12a903a402a447cc99b8b7ce280.png

Weighted rankings

1st pick = 8 pnts
2nd pick = 7 pnts
3rd pick = 6 pnts
.....
....
8th pick = 1pnts

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[Navid Shafa]

2522 in 1378 out hawaii
3802 in 4570 out Hub City
4301 in 4799 out Hub city
5818 in 5461 out Idaho
4125 in 5430 out Idaho
5847 in 2709 out Midwest
2393 in 4740 out Smoky Mountain

2522, 4125 and 2393 have all been picked and are already on rosters. 167 is also an illegal waiver claim, as they are already on a roster.

I have these as the following floating waivers:

FF Team OUT IN Event
Falcon? ? 48* Queen City
TBC ? 3802 Hub City
TBC ? 5818 Idaho
ULCAN ? 5050 MI
TBC ? 4639 Lonestar
TBC ? 4904 SVR
TBC ? 2352 Lonestar


I processed these legal swaps:

FF Team OUT IN Event
RFA 144 4028 Queen City
RFA 4500 2905 South Florida
RFA 4471 3556 South Florida
RFA 5078 3211 Western Canada
TBC 4799 4301 Hub city

[BrennanB]

2522, 4125 and 2393 have all been picked and are already on rosters. 167 is also an illegal waiver claim, as they are already on a roster.


Whoopsies my bad. ::rtm::

[EricH]

The 48 claim is good to process (dropping 6084).

The rest should be handled by Tuesday night--there is at least one other claim for 5818 in Idaho that I'm aware of, will advise. And Falcon will put a claim in for 5818 as well (dropping 1566 if successful).

[tindleroot]

Just a couple of questions so that I can better understand the issues here:

1) When you say "gaps of missing data", what exactly are you referring to?

2) Can you provide an example of picks that are missing awards and eliminations information at events? This'll help me chase down the issues much quicker.

Thanks,
- Sunny G.

The gaps of missing data that I'm referring to are missing points for mostly district teams (regionals are almost perfect except for a few instances of missed qualification win points). In the "Raw Picks" tab, Column J (District Points) are shown as 0 for all CHS teams except 1262 and 1610. This problem maintains over all of the districts. Some teams also have ranking points missing from one of their two events, such that they are awarded approximately half points for ranking.

Without much more knowledge than educated guesses about how, when, and where you pull data and parse through it, I can't really help trace back the problem, but to me it looks like random teams are missing random points, and these missing points are traced to the ranking points in almost every case.

Looking further, it appears that many district teams are also missing points for robot awards and high scores. 1024 won two robot awards this year and also had the high score at all three of their district points, so if I'm reading the chart correctly their column K on the raw picks sheet should have 45 points but instead has 0.

That's the best help I can give at identifying the problem. I am really happy that you guys made the system to simplify scoring throughout the season, and I will keep checking it against First Pick's scores (calculated manually by me) to make sure all points are being awarded properly.

[ttldomination]

Those explanations were perfect, and I was able to identify the issues and make the fixes in the automated scoring.

The gaps of missing data that I'm referring to are missing points for mostly district teams (regionals are almost perfect except for a few instances of missed qualification win points). In the "Raw Picks" tab, Column J (District Points) are shown as 0 for all CHS teams except 1262 and 1610. This problem maintains over all of the districts. Some teams also have ranking points missing from one of their two events, such that they are awarded approximately half points for ranking.

For this one, I found an issue in how the district points calculation was being done. Long story short, the calculation was being done at the district level and not the event level, which lead to issues throughout the sheet.

I have made the appropriate fixes to make sure that the district points are being calculated at the event level and then are being rolled up to the district level.


Looking further, it appears that many district teams are also missing points for robot awards and high scores. 1024 won two robot awards this year and also had the high score at all three of their district points, so if I'm reading the chart correctly their column K on the raw picks sheet should have 45 points but instead has 0.

The issue is that the district system started handing out awards for teams that had qualified for states, but we were not recognizing that award. This ultimately threw and error and caused the teams' scores to go to 0.

Unfortunately, when new awards flow into the system, they're going to cause some havoc until we go in and assign points for them.

In this case, I have given this "award" 0 points, and the issue should now be fixed.

That's the best help I can give at identifying the problem. I am really happy that you guys made the system to simplify scoring throughout the season, and I will keep checking it against First Pick's scores (calculated manually by me) to make sure all points are being awarded properly.

I appreciate you keeping track of your score to help keep the automated system honest, and I appreciate everyone's help in ironing out issues in the system.

Let me know if there are any other concerns,
- Sunny G.

[EricH]

I'd like to remind everybody that the District Championship drafts are coming up right after Week 5 action (and, in some cases, during that action!). Checking the spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-UItQm4bouwKWyS88iKqCNegZ6sxVKEtMZdErWSJin8/edit#gid=0, we have...

PNW DCMP on Sunday, 7 PM Eastern
Chesapeake DCMP and Indiana DCMP on Monday, 7 PM Eastern
North Carolina DCMP on Tuesday, 7 PM Eastern

Chesapeake and North Carolina still need draft runners.

Now, here's the catch. I could just randomize the order of each draft, same as usual. But, as has been noted, that tends to not give an even spread. I could base off of the current points--but that's even more annoying. So what I'm going to do instead is:

The first draft (PNW) will be randomized. After that, each subsequent draft will move the list "down" one space. That is, first pick in the first draft is now second pick, second is now third, last pick is now first, etc. The only day we're doing two drafts is on Monday--first draft posted takes the first rotation and second draft posted takes the second. What this does (for this size of league) is that everybody will have one pick in every spot on the list.


As a reminder, CMP drafting will happen once the CMP divisions are released. We'll be starting probably the Friday before the event and draft two drafts/day until we're done. Can't do much without the divisions... Draft order for CMP is in order of regular-season fantasy finish.

[ghostmachine360]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Why are we literally changing the entire structure of the DCMP drafts now? I'm not going to say that we wouldn't agree to the rule changes, if these had been enacted in the beginning of the season. But, we are a week out from the drafts.

The district drafts were more balanced; as shown here in these threads.
MAR: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140825
NE: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140894
CHS: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140909
PNW: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140889
PCH: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140944
FiM: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140723

We should keep the original setup for 2016, and go by the district rankings. As previously stated in the thread, there's a lot of changes to look forward to in terms of execution and the rules for Fantasy FIRST for 2017, as we continue in the future as a more stable/fun part of the Chief Delphi community.

Sincerely,

Rotten Fruit Alliance

[EricH]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Why are we literally changing the entire structure of the DCMP drafts now? I'm not going to say that we wouldn't agree to the rule changes, if these had been enacted in the beginning of the season. But, we are a week out from the drafts.

The district drafts were more balanced; as shown here in these threads.
[...][/URL]

We should keep the original setup for 2016, and go by the district rankings. As previously stated in the thread, there's a lot of changes to look forward to in terms of execution and the rules for Fantasy FIRST for 2017, as we continue in the future as a more stable/fun part of the Chief Delphi community.

Sincerely,

Rotten Fruit Alliance

Just so RFA is aware, RFA was complaining earlier in the season that the drafts were unbalanced due to randomness, and the DCMP and District drafts being unbalanced hurt players. So I was making a change to address that. Or so I thought.

That being said, we will go by district ranking, as shown in the [URL="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nfyPL6sgqG7YleQRs2UkBUhv6ZlB2kWZcnQY17fONrw/edit#gid=589161531"]scoring sheet (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140723) (BTW, I find that links to external documents need to be reposted every few pages just to keep them handy). Ignore my prior post on that topic.

[Navid Shafa]

Just so RFA is aware, RFA was complaining earlier in the season that the drafts were unbalanced due to randomness, and the DCMP and District drafts being unbalanced hurt players. So I was making a change to address that. Or so I thought.

I'll take responsibility for the post in question: (#86) (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1509024#post1509024).

I wouldn't say I was complaining, but I was definitely suggesting a different approach to district draft seeding, before said drafts took place. Myself and the others in agreement did not provide a final algorithm or solution at the time. I would be happy to help develop a new approach, based on league feedback in the off-season.

In case anyone is curious, I have similar data to Brennan's on seed order. Ours is not segregated though and includes seed position based on the starting count of FF teams (10), and does not have district drafts separated out (but I could provide that if anyone is interested):

FF Teams AVG Draft Seed
Rotten Fruit Alliance 4.5
Falcon 4.68
OrangeJuice 4.82
Swamp Life 4.89
The ULCAN 4.95
Broconnor 5.17
FIRST Pick 5.26
The Breakfast Company 5.73


Just looking at district drafts alone, we have variations in the team pool size which make weighting the pick order in certain regions difficult. A 1st seed in Michigan, where we draft 48 teams (from a pool of 400) is definitely not the same as a 1st seed in Indiana where we draft 24 teams (from a pool of 54). I did like the concept of adding onto the serpentine for day two of drafts, but I don't think it solves the underlying issue(s).

In case anyone is interested, here's data which shows averages of just district pick positions for each FF team (across the regions). *Note: A 1st seed in a 24 team draft gets pick positions 1, 16, and 17, for an average pick position of ~11.33, the rest of the numbers were derived similarly (as can be seen on the attached sheet).

(FF Team)(Sum of District Pick Positions)(Average Seeded District Pick Position)
Broconnor 158.17 19.77
Falcon 158.83 19.85
Swamp Life 159.17 19.90
Rotten Fruit Alliance 159.83 19.98
FIRST Pick 160.50 20.06
OrangeJuice 160.50 20.06
The ULCAN 160.50 20.06
The Breakfast Company 162.50 20.31


I'm hoping the individual tracking of drafts (by TBC, OJ, and RFA), as well as the automated scoring system from this season will help us develop new methods next year.

[ghostmachine360]

RFA:

2771 (OUT), 3767 (IN)

[EricH]

Quick-ish note on waivers:

I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims).

[BrennanB]

Quick-ish note on waivers:

I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims).

Whoopsies.

Priority has been sent in PM to Eric

[Navid Shafa]

Quick-ish note on waivers:

I never got that note from TBC on their priority order (unless most of their picks were already out)--but I think we're good to run some. Navid, have you been handling most of those? There's actually some competition this time around (5818 has 3 claims).

I am up to date on all free trades, except the most recent from Kyle:
RFA:

2771 (OUT), 3767 (IN)

I need to catch up on are all the waivers that expired last night. Here's the list of original claimants. Just let me know who actually got what, and what they are swapping out:


FF Team OUT IN Event
TBC ? 3802 Hub City
TBC ? 5818 Idaho
ULCAN ? 5050 MI
TBC ? 4639 Lonestar
TBC ? 4904 SVR
TBC ? 2352 Lonestar


This was the last stated waiver priority:
I believe the new waiver priority should be:


Waiver Priority:
OrangeJuice
Falcon
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
The ULCAN
Broconnor
FIRST Pick
Rotten Fruit Alliance



I processed 48 @ Queen City for Falcon, so Falcon should move to the bottom before handling last night's batch. Other than that, I still need to fill in randoms for all of the Week 4 No-Shows when I get a chance (Thanks Brennan!)...

Randoms to Resolve (Week 4):
FF Out Regional
Falcon 698 Colorado Regional
Swamp 2815 Dallas Regional
Falcon 6233 Dallas Regional
OJ 2789 Dallas Regional
Falcon 5873 Dallas Regional
OJ 5947 Finger Lakes Regional
OJ 2502 Iowa Regional
ULCAN 4762 Iowa Regional
FP 5076 North Bay Regional

[EricH]

Here's the list:
TBC: 5818 for 5461 (Idaho), 4904 for ???? (SVR), 3802 for 4570 (Hub City), 4639 for ???? (Lone Star), 2352 for ???? (Lone Star)
ULCAN: 5050 for 2851 (Michigan)

Leaves the priority as:
OrangeJuice
SwampLife
Broconnor
First Pick
RFA
Falcon
ULCAN
TBC

[Navid Shafa]

Here's the list:
TBC: 5818 for 5461 (Idaho), 4904 for ???? (SVR), 3802 for 4570 (Hub City), 4639 for ???? (Lone Star), 2352 for ???? (Lone Star)
ULCAN: 5050 for 2851 (Michigan)

Leaves the priority as:
OrangeJuice
SwampLife
Broconnor
First Pick
RFA
Falcon
ULCAN
TBC

I am up to date now on all swaps, excluding the TBC waivers above that need attention, and the Week 4 randoms. I'll try and get to those tomorrow, non-robot life has been busy.

[BrennanB]

4639 in, 5416 out (Lone Star)
2352 in, 5427 out (Lone Star)
649 out , 4904 in

[EricH]

I really hate to do this to you guys, but PNW DCMP currently only has 7 teams signed up. So, I'm going to bump that one back a day in favor of...

Chesapeake (58 teams) will be run tomorrow, switching positions with PNW. Draft will be up shortly (as in, once I get it set up).

[Navid Shafa]

I really hate to do this to you guys, but PNW DCMP currently only has 7 teams signed up. So, I'm going to bump that one back a day in favor of...

Chesapeake (58 teams) will be run tomorrow, switching positions with PNW. Draft will be up shortly (as in, once I get it set up).

I was literally just typing a post like this one suggesting we swap CHS for PNW, since Auburn is still going on tomorrow...

[EricH]

I was literally just typing a post like this one suggesting we swap CHS for PNW, since Auburn is still going on tomorrow...
That would explain it...

In that case, may as well bump PNW to Tuesday for NC, and put NC on Monday. Gives PNW a little more time to fill in enough for a draft.

[Navid Shafa]

That would explain it...

In that case, may as well bump PNW to Tuesday for NC, and put NC on Monday. Gives PNW a little more time to fill in enough for a draft.

NC leaderboard data looks final, but there are only 3 teams registered for the DCMP. Hopefully that gets updated soon.

[EricH]

I'm going to have trouble getting one of tomorrow's drafts going on time (if at all), and whether I can run one on Tuesday is dependent on stuff I can't control.

I'm thinking that I'll check on IN's status, and if that looks OK I'll put it up with a note that lists are going to be vastly appreciated over live picks.

[ghostmachine360]

MI: 3767 (OUT) for 2771 (IN)

[Navid Shafa]

I'm going to have trouble getting one of tomorrow's drafts going on time (if at all), and whether I can run one on Tuesday is dependent on stuff I can't control.

I'm thinking that I'll check on IN's status, and if that looks OK I'll put it up with a note that lists are going to be vastly appreciated over live picks.

I would offer to try and run one, but both NC and PNW* team lists still aren't updated. The Internet connection where I'm currently at is a little testy, so I'd probably run slightly longer pick times, to be safe.

*That being said, the PNW qualified list will probably be very close to accurate. Teams out here don't have to pay an additional registration fee for DCMP (It was covered in initial registration).*

I will keep an eye on team lists during the day, and can take a draft if wanted and need be.

[Navid Shafa]

I would offer to try and run one, but both NC and PNW* team lists still aren't updated. The Internet connection where I'm currently at is a little testy, so I'd probably run slightly longer pick times, to be safe.

*That being said, the PNW qualified list will probably be very close to accurate. Teams out here don't have to pay an additional registration fee for DCMP (It was covered in initial registration).*

I will keep an eye on team lists during the day, and can take a draft if wanted and need be.

Guess I missed it, the individual events on FIRST Inspires are updated, but not on the main FIRST Inspires page:
http://frc-events.firstinspires.org/

Individual Pages Updated:
NC (http://www.firstinspires.org/team-event-search/event?id=19911)
PNW (http://www.firstinspires.org/team-event-search/event?id=17485)

I'll throw NC up now, and we can do it tomorrow with PNW then. Feel free to start making picks.

[EricH]

I'll put up PNW tomorrow. It'll be a bit late (work schedule changed), probably around a 7:45-8:00 EST start time. That's partly to allow setup time, and partly to allow IN to have a chance to wrap up if it's still going.

[BrennanB]

MI: 3767 (OUT) for 2771 (IN)

2771 has already played twice. This is an illegal swap

[ghostmachine360]

2771 has already played twice. This is an illegal swap

Nope; they've only played once in MI. And since we're looking at 2771 for MI, my trade is legal.

[BrennanB]

Nope; they've only played once in MI. And since we're looking at 2771 for MI, my trade is legal.

Out of district play still counts for MI picks, therefore the swap isn't legal :X

Literally makes no sense to have out of district points count AND be able to swap.

[vikesrock777]

Same here.

For this season, as noted, district teams playing in district events get their points averaged for all district events (regardless of district location), while district teams playing in regionals get the regional points they earn. Easiest way to sum it up.

For next season... we'll figure that out after the season ends.

Relevant

[tindleroot]

So I've been thinking more about proposed changes for next year - should I start a thread to keep it separate from the 2016 season thread?

[EricH]

So I've been thinking more about proposed changes for next year - should I start a thread to keep it separate from the 2016 season thread?
That would be a good idea. So far, I've seen discussions on working with the draft order so everybody gets an even shot at the top spot, scoring adjustments, waiver adjustments, and I think there's one or two other things I'm missing.


PNW will be up shortly, thanks for the (im)patience :p. I'm aiming for a 7:45 Eastern start time.

[Navid Shafa]

That would be a good idea. So far, I've seen discussions on working with the draft order so everybody gets an even shot at the top spot, scoring adjustments, waiver adjustments, and I think there's one or two other things I'm missing.


PNW will be up shortly, thanks for the (im)patience :p. I'm aiming for a 7:45 Eastern start time.

I'm aiming for the same for NC, on my way home now.

[EricH]

Well, that Team Update (https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2016manuals/TeamUpdates/19.pdf) put a minor wrench in things...looks like we may need to make some MI DCMP scoring changes given the Octofinals.

Good news: We have some time.

[Navid Shafa]

Well, that Team Update (https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2016manuals/TeamUpdates/19.pdf) put a minor wrench in things...looks like we may need to make some MI DCMP scoring changes given the Octofinals.

Good news: We have some time.

I forgot what we did last year for Octo-finals.

[EricH]

I forgot what we did last year for Octo-finals.
I had to look it up, too.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1468863&postcount=332

We'll just do the same thing, QFs at MSC are 6 points and OFs are 3 points. Only at MSC, mind you.

[ttldomination]

I had to look it up, too.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1468863&postcount=332

We'll just do the same thing, QFs at MSC are 6 points and OFs are 3 points. Only at MSC, mind you.

Just as a heads up; I'll have to add this as a special case to the live scoring, but the actual change may have to wait until I see some sample match data start flowing through the API.

Last year, the "Octofinals" flowed through as regular qualification matches, which may severely complicate things. Let's hope that Octofinals flow through as their own set of playoff matches.

- Sunny G.

[BrennanB]

Visuals! (I know i'm slow)

The distinct clumps are definitely forming within the ranks, the battle for world champs draft positioning is on! :ahh:

https://i.gyazo.com/f51e783118cda1a9857828ccec0f283f.png

https://i.gyazo.com/dec6e12d675b6e3fe4863032557247f0.png

New visual for you for highest event score:

Leauge high is RFA at Australia with 246.

https://i.gyazo.com/67420911dfe90041f32c18194eff0c8c.png

And here is how districts only are shaking out. Interesting how much larger the %gap is btwn this and overall scores.

https://i.gyazo.com/872103bf9d29df9c6efdbf80115cfa65.png

Also can we get a final ruling on that 2771 swap Eric?

[EricH]

Also can we get a final ruling on that 2771 swap Eric?
If they've played twice in districts, that's a no. The call was after one play, not two.

[EricH]

So now we have ourselves a bit of a schedule for the remaining DCMP drafts. Subject to change, of course...

Nobody drafts tomorrow night--giving a little time for the lists to be put together.

MI and New England will draft on Monday night (they're done first). I'll take MI, but someone needs to cover New England.

MAR drafts on Tuesday.
Wednesday sees Peachtree close out the regular-season drafts.


Championship drafting: We'll start that on 4/21, running two fields/night. I can cover most of those, but will need some help. If some folks step up, that could be opened up on 4/20 instead.

[Navid Shafa]

So now we have ourselves a bit of a schedule for the remaining DCMP drafts. Subject to change, of course...

Nobody drafts tomorrow night--giving a little time for the lists to be put together.

MI and New England will draft on Monday night (they're done first). I'll take MI, but someone needs to cover New England.

MAR drafts on Tuesday.
Wednesday sees Peachtree close out the regular-season drafts.


Championship drafting: We'll start that on 4/21, running two fields/night. I can cover most of those, but will need some help. If some folks step up, that could be opened up on 4/20 instead.

Tomorrow off will be greatly appreciated, I can fill as needed.

[BrennanB]

4639 in, 5416 out (Lone Star)
2352 in, 5427 out (Lone Star)
649 out , 4904 in

These swaps still haven't processed

Also MAR draft can't happen til Falcon gets its random for 6216.

[Navid Shafa]

These swaps still haven't processed

Yes, I'm behind. I haven't forgotten. After I get home from PNW DCMP, I'll catch up on waivers and randoms.

[Navid Shafa]

Waivers are now caught up. Swapping out Week 4/5 No-Shows for randoms is almost done as well (Week 6 and 7 didn't have any). I've swapped out the following:

FF Out In Event
Falcon 698 3648 Colorado Regional
Swamp 2815 2613 Dallas Regional
Falcon 6233 3355 Dallas Regional
OJ 2789 4641 Dallas Regional
Falcon 5873 5417 Dallas Regional
OJ 3284 3366 Hub City Regional
ULCAN 5047 4799 Hub City Regional
RFA 4401 5613 Hub City Regional
Falcon 6209 5212 Hub City Regional
Falcon 6234 5461 Idaho Regional
Falcon 5805 5432 Orange County Regional
Swamp 4753 4521 Queen City Regional


TO RESOLVE:
We have these last 5 that are not taken care of yet. I couldn't find random lists for the following events, so I'm not sure what to do. The MAR swap is definitely the most critical:

FF OUT IN Event
Falcon 6216 N/A MAR
OJ 5947 N/A Finger Lakes Regional
OJ 2502 N/A Iowa Regional
ULCAN 4762 N/A Iowa Regional
FP 5076 N/A North Bay Regional


I'll cover NE tomorrow night.

[EricH]

Waivers are now caught up. Swapping out Week 4/5 No-Shows for randoms is almost done as well (Week 6 and 7 didn't have any). I've swapped out the following:

FF Out In Event
Falcon 698 3648 Colorado Regional
Swamp 2815 2613 Dallas Regional
Falcon 6233 3355 Dallas Regional
OJ 2789 4641 Dallas Regional
Falcon 5873 5417 Dallas Regional
OJ 3284 3366 Hub City Regional
ULCAN 5047 4799 Hub City Regional
RFA 4401 5613 Hub City Regional
Falcon 6209 5212 Hub City Regional
Falcon 6234 5461 Idaho Regional
Falcon 5805 5432 Orange County Regional
Swamp 4753 4521 Queen City Regional
TO RESOLVE:
We have these last 5 that are not taken care of yet. I couldn't find random lists for the following events, so I'm not sure what to do. The MAR swap is definitely the most critical:

FF OUT IN Event
Falcon 6216 N/A MAR
OJ 5947 N/A Finger Lakes Regional
OJ 2502 N/A Iowa Regional
ULCAN 4762 N/A Iowa Regional
FP 5076 N/A North Bay Regional

I'll see if I just forgot to post 'em, and copy any that fits below.
1257
4750
87
4653
5310
4460
136
1989
5438
5113
1712
6015
5457
204
5992
1672
2577
3340
2234
3929
4281
1143
1168
5401
6216
5666
752
4373
6203
869
2600
293
6226
4361
102
3314
1228
1791
1811
486
1391
3974
709
613
224
2191
896
4954
5684
2095
3151
5404
3142
2554
2559
1626
219
1807
2539
484
2458
5938
4637
3515
223
321
41
4285
708
4454
5732
272
2180
4342
103
1370
834
2495
1495
4035
304
433
714
423
5407
4475
555
2070
5490
4575
5181
4573
6016
5624
3637
5420
1279
3167
2220
4762
171
4646
5041
4230
648
2531
5306
4818
2502
5906
5308
5837
3067
3284
2883
3298
3633
2164
2175
5172
5935
5576
1816
1825
1156
6164
3928
3184
2512
2526
1730
4330
2457
3630
1810
1775
967
2705
3130
5275
3081
2538
3026
2470
3018
5823
937
1208
167
1764
3883
525
2410
5442
4536
1723

2706
5076
188
5024
5157
4968
229
3550
5600
3543
5807
772
5672
4617
4814
4152
4907
4917
2013
2185
5324
5870
5604
1325
4936
1241
4807
1305
1310
3986
4526
2935
1285


I don't think I have Finger Lakes. JosephC might.

[JosephC]

Pulled this off excel, if it isn't it I don't have it.

3044
73
5433
191
2809
4023
174
1518
1591
2791
578
1405
378
5254
3951
340
4093
5590
2228
3799
1511
2383
1551
3157
4930
1585
3838
250
1126
2340
5349
5030
1450
20
3173
1765
3181
2638
639
5947
1507
3003
2010
1559
3015

[Navid Shafa]

Thanks guys, here are the last of them:

FF OUT IN Event
Falcon 6216 4750 MAR
OJ 5947 4023 Finger Lakes Regional
OJ 2502 4646 Iowa Regional
ULCAN 4762 5041 Iowa Regional
FP 5076 2706 North Bay Regional


We are completely up to date!

[EricH]

Here's the scoop on MI:

I will post the draft order and start time tonight. HOWEVER, only 18 teams are registered. So, I will update the team list tomorrow and post the draft. We should be ready to go by 7, BUT I'll hold the draft until 7:30, and do a final check for teams before then.

If, during the draft, you find a team that is registered but not on the draft list list, post with a link to the team's page showing that they're registered--it'll count. If, AFTER the draft, you find a similar team, waivers kick in, closing Wednesday at midnight Eastern.

If we don't have enough teams to field a full draft, we'll push back a day or so. I think I can handle two drafts at once if I need to... (famous last words).

[Navid Shafa]

Here's the scoop on MI:

I will post the draft order and start time tonight. HOWEVER, only 18 teams are registered. So, I will update the team list tomorrow and post the draft. We should be ready to go by 7, BUT I'll hold the draft until 7:30, and do a final check for teams before then.

If, during the draft, you find a team that is registered but not on the draft list list, post with a link to the team's page showing that they're registered--it'll count. If, AFTER the draft, you find a similar team, waivers kick in, closing Wednesday at midnight Eastern.

If we don't have enough teams to field a full draft, we'll push back a day or so. I think I can handle two drafts at once if I need to... (famous last words).

I'll get NE posted now as well. I have pulled the full qualified team lists for both MI and NE DCMP's, after they were finalized today. I will post the lists in their respective draft threads.

[EricH]

Peachtree is now up, pending draft tomorrow. With the DCMPs loading in tomorrow night, drafts will lock for trades at midnight Pacific tomorrow night. Enjoy the Week 7 action.

After Week 7's dust settles, we wait... For the division announcements. Each division gets its own draft, and I'll put the championship scores up after DCMPs are done. We'll probably need to do two of them per night, and won't have a lot of margin as far as timing (I figure it'll take about a week to get everybody in and registered and all that).

[Navid Shafa]

Just as a heads up; I'll have to add this as a special case to the live scoring, but the actual change may have to wait until I see some sample match data start flowing through the API.

Last year, the "Octofinals" flowed through as regular qualification matches, which may severely complicate things. Let's hope that Octofinals flow through as their own set of playoff matches.

- Sunny G.

Octofinal scoring hasn't been implemented yet.

I have updated the live scoring sheet and will do so again after matches finish today. Regular season scoring won't be truly final until Sunny gets to it, just a heads up.

[ghostmachine360]

There were some problems with the API with the octofinals; Frank Merrick was dealing with it at PCH with Danny, but it should be fixed now, in theory.

[EricH]

Not a problem, fellas. I don't expect we'll need the finishing order until at least Wednesday (when we'll need it to set up the Championship drafts).

[ttldomination]

I've implemented the Octofinalist logic for MSC.

It should be good/correct, but I threw it together quickly at the airport. As such, I'd appreciate if someone could double check the work and make sure the numbers make sense.

Thanks,
- Sunny G.

[Navid Shafa]

I've implemented the Octofinalist logic for MSC.

It should be good/correct, but I threw it together quickly at the airport. As such, I'd appreciate if someone could double check the work and make sure the numbers make sense.

Thanks,
- Sunny G.

I verified MSC scores. Looks like you implemented Octos fine, but perhaps forgot to change the QF values from 4 to 6? Are all QF values differing from the usual at MSC?

We'll just do the same thing, QFs at MSC are 6 points and OFs are 3 points. Only at MSC, mind you.

*Elims portion of my MSC manual scoring attached*

[ttldomination]

I verified MSC scores. Looks like you implemented Octos fine, but perhaps forgot to change the QF values from 4 to 6? Are all QF values differing from the usual at MSC?



*Elims portion of my MSC manual scoring attached*

Ah, okay. Found an issue where MSC teams were still being awarded QF along with the Octo-Quarterfinalist.

Should be fixed,
- Sunny G.

[Navid Shafa]

Before scores are final, Brennan noted today that there are two No-Shows on rosters for the PCH DCMP that need to be swapped for randoms. No random list is posted, do you have it Eric?

Swamp Life: 3635
The ULCAN: 5594

[EricH]

Before scores are final, Brennan noted today that there are two No-Shows on rosters for the PCH DCMP that need to be swapped for randoms. No random list is posted, do you have it Eric?

Swamp Life: 3635
The ULCAN: 5594
3635
5594
1002
5632
5482
1261
4193
5812
5608
4188
5900
4749
4941
4468
5074
5132
3581
3600
5651
6023
5840
3329
1746
6177
5332
1648
4189
2415
5536
4026
3091
2974
1311
5848
4910
4240
4701
4080
4516
5582
5004
1771
832
5828

[Navid Shafa]

Done.

Out: 3635 and 5594
In: 5608 and 4749

Scores should be final.

[EricH]

Well, there goes THAT plan.

http://www.firstinspires.org/robotics/frc/blog/something-new-frc-championship-lineup-show

Given that we won't know divisions until Friday...

I think we're going to need some planning. CMP starts Wednesday, but NOBODY wants to draft then. Travel, opening the pits, you get the idea.

That leaves Friday right after divisions finish announcing (yeah, right--8:30 Eastern at a guess, with no time for a picklist), Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday (when folks are packing/traveling, so it's lousy).
Guess what that means?

THREE-A-DAYs.Well... Maybe not.

I should going to be able to run a draft every night except maybe Saturday. But, if y'all don't object, I can probably sneak a Saturday afternoon/evening draft in (as in, probably about 5 PM Eastern or a bit before). And, the draft schedule ain't changin'. So other than the times for a Saturday afternoon-ish draft, I can post all the subdivisions I'll be running at once (less team list) and when they'll be active. If someone else can take a draft each day, we should be A-OK.

Add to that that I'm fairly confident I can run two drafts at once if need be...

So, short version:

I'll post 4 draft orders for 4 of the subdivisions later this week. Pick all at once or one at a time, your choice, once the division lists are out. If someone can handle the second draft each day, great; if not, let's hope the posted orders go quickly...

[BrennanB]

So, short version:

I'll post 4 draft orders for 4 of the subdivisions later this week. Pick all at once or one at a time, your choice, once the division lists are out. If someone can handle the second draft each day, great; if not, let's hope the posted orders go quickly...

Can't we just post all of the drafts up Friday and work on them all simultaneously while certain ones have a deadline on "x day"?

TBC would be willing to help run drafts so that we can have all 8 division threads up at once. I feel like that would actually help speed up some of the process.

I propose:

Archimedes - Deadline April 23
Carson - Deadline April 23
Carver - Deadline April 24
Curie - Deadline April 24
Galileo - Deadline April 24
Hopper - Deadline April 25
Newton - Deadline April 25
Tesla - Deadline April 25

Being a 2/3/3

With all drafts going up the 22nd

Drafts on the 22nd is bad, and going to the 26th is also bad.

[Navid Shafa]

I'm comfortable with both concepts, you've got my help either way. Just let me know which drafts you want me to run and when.

RFA will get all our first picks ready to submit shortly after divisions release. This way Broconnor and TBC can jump on with picks ahead of schedule if they like. Having all 8 posted for early drafting would be nice.

[EricH]

You know, I like that idea even better.

So, I'll post all 8 drafts up tonight, without teams. (Just to make sure everything's correct as far as order, and have them ready to go.)

As soon as we have the teams (or shortly afterwards--I've got a team meeting on Friday at that time), team lists go on, randoms get generated and posted. Miss your slot on the date, get a random so we can move on.



I'll be sending a reminder to some folks who seem to have fallen asleep to wake up so we don't have to randomize them...

[Navid Shafa]

RFA has submitted all 8 of our first picks. Let the madness begin ;)

*Eric, let me know what drafts you need me to run

[EricH]

RFA has submitted all 8 of our first picks. Let the madness begin ;)

*Eric, let me know what drafts you need me to run
We'll see how it goes, but tomorrow night is probably the primary night I'll need backup.

I'm going to get the team lists and random lists into the threads now, which will take *few* minutes... That should allow for full manual drafting if necessary. [Edit] And everything is up, team list, first pick, and the random list.

[EricH]

Archimedes and Carson have run; tomorrow brings up Carver, Curie, and Galileo. So far, we've had two picks apiece, maybe three.

Just as a reminder, all drafts are open for selections. If it's your turn, feel free to make a pick.

[orangemoore]

Archimedes and Carson have run; tomorrow brings up Carver, Curie, and Galileo. So far, we've had two picks apiece, maybe three.

Just as a reminder, all drafts are open for selections. If it's your turn, feel free to make a pick.

Eric any warnings to hand out?

[EricH]

Eric any warnings to hand out?
Already sent one.

I don't plan to issue any boots, but if certain folks* don't start saying anything, they're auto-randomed going forwards.



*Swamp Life, ULCAN, you guys need to pay attention to this one...

[Navid Shafa]

Last year's CMP point value revisions, to be updated in this year's automated scoring system:

bumping this for Sunny to modify the Live-scoring sheet.

I'd like to thank all of you for participating... and we're not done quite yet.

We still have a champion of our own to crown! I think I posted up the revised CMP scoring system, but just to say it again, here it is (some sheets will need to be redone...)
For the Championships, scoring changes to:
Quarter finalists – Division, 5 points
Semifinalists – Division, 10 points
Finalists – Division, 15 points
Divisional Winners, 25 points
Semifinalists - Einstein Division, 35 points
Finalists - Einstein Division, 50 points
World Champions (Winners - Einstein Division), 60 points

Chairman’s – Championship, 90 points
Engineering Inspiration Award – Championship, 50 points
Rookie All-Star, 25 points
Rookie Inspiration, 20 points
Woodie Flowers/Judges, 15 points
Dean’s List, 8 points

Highest score / Highest Rookie Seed, 10 points
Robot based award, 25 points
Non-placement award, except previously mentioned, 10 points
[Ranking Points as we've been playing with all season]

Note: Last year the Dean's List winners were something we had to pull manually, but that may be different this time around.

[Navid Shafa]

Hmm... I could use a quick hand from the scoring team. You see, there are some traditional awards given by SLFF to various teams and/or individuals. (Note, no actual hardware is handed out--but I will try to make sure the teams know.)

Elgin Clock Award: Named after the winner of the first Championship FF event; awarded to the player at the top of the standings at the end of regionals and the District Championships.
Fantasy FIRST Champion: Awarded to the player who scores the most points at the Championship event. (BTW, everybody starts at zero for the Championship.)
FF MVP: Given to the (actual) team who scores the highest number of FF points at an event during the FF regular season.
FF Rookie of the Year: Given to the (actual) rookie team who scores the highest number of FF points at an event during the FF regular season.

Obviously the first two are in progress or to be drafted. Anybody got any line on the last two?

This year's FF MVP & FF Rookie of the Year are as follows:

FF MVP: At the NC DCMP, 3506 scored 125 FF points (Drafted by FIRST Pick)
FF Rookie of the Year: At the Montreal Regional, 5910 scored 79 FF points, (Drafted by The Breakfast Company)

[EricH]

And the Elgin Clock Award obviously went to the Rotten Fruit Alliance.


Drafting is now complete. Trades will be allowed up until pits close on Wednesday. After that... let the best alliance win, and may your teams be playing against each other on Einstein!

[ttldomination]

Sorry about the delay folks, the automated scoring has been updated for worlds.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nfyPL6sgqG7YleQRs2UkBUhv6ZlB2kWZcnQY17fONrw/edit#gid=1715321681

Please double check my work; let me know of any issues/errors.
- Sunny G.

[ghostmachine360]

So, have we come to a conclusion that the scoring is correct yet? Thanks to Sunny for whipping it up.