View Full Version : Registration 2016
Mark McLeod
24-09-2015, 09:27
Has everyone got their Main & Alternate TIMS contacts registered and their Youth Protection Training completed (3 days in advance)?
It's time again to find out where teams are going to find spots to play.
- 53 Regionals
- Chesapeake Districts
- GA Districts
- IN Districts
- MAR Districts
- MI Districts
- NC Districts
- NE Districts
- PNW Districts
Rookie teams will start with numbers 5800, although there is a new veteran team number 5777.
Here is how FRC Growth has progressed over the years.
P.S.
I'd like to highlight this nice page that Aren Siekmeier kindly created and is hosting for us to see the totals by event: http://173.255.246.196/2016/
And the excitement level begins to ramp up...........
Still one of my favorite threads to watch each year! Looking forward to the start of the madness and finding out who is going to be where this season.
Thank you in advance Mark for your excellent analysis and postings with this thread. It is much appreciated each season.
Still one of my favorite threads to watch each year!
Agreed. Thanks, Mark, for doing this each year.
Mark McLeod
24-09-2015, 10:21
Whos going to ontario regionals?
Not what this thread is about. :ahh:
You'll see.
Insanity000
24-09-2015, 10:32
Anyone know if there is a way to see the teams that are registerd for an event as they register or do we have to wait for that to come out on a later date
MrRoboSteve
24-09-2015, 10:36
Looks like there's a nudge toward the new Iowa regional in initial slot availability in the upper Midwest. The Duluth and Minneapolis double regionals both have actual capacity of 60+.
Lake Superior - 33
Northern Lights - 30
Iowa - 50
Wisconsin - 50
10000 Lakes - 33
North Star - 30
Mark McLeod
24-09-2015, 10:38
Anyone know if there is a way to see the teams that are registerd for an event as they register or do we have to wait for that to come out on a later date
You can use: https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso
- Select 2016/events/Show Results
- Click on the event you are interested in
- Click on Queries: What teams are registered for this event?
I want to say thanks to Mark, he quits his day job, moves away from his family into a secluded location with only a hotspot and his high powered laptop to give us the up to the second info on events and team stats....
.... well it seems that way. Thanks Mark!!!
refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh,
love this time of year!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9-Te-DPbSE
sanddrag
24-09-2015, 11:59
Holy smokes that went fast. The button appeared right at the hour down to the second. I registered in about 30 seconds flat, without reading anything whatsoever about what I was clicking on. Within 60 seconds, there were already 30 teams registered for Long Beach.
Mark McLeod
24-09-2015, 11:59
539 teams registered in the first minute
692 by minute 2
766 - minute 3
826 - minute 4
877 - minute 5
904 - minute 6
944 - minute 7
956 - minute 8
977 - minute 9
991 - minute 10
1004 - minute 11
1018 - minute 12
1027 - minute 13
1040 - minute 14
1052 - 15 minute mark
1100 - minute 23
1200 - minute 50
1300 around 1:30
1400 by 2:27pm
1500 around 4:15pm
1600 by 8:00pm on Thursday
1700 at 9:58am on Friday
That's probably enough of that.
So approximately a third of teams signed up for their favorite event within the first 15 minutes.
We went from 539 teams registering in the first minute to a team every 3 to 5 minutes 24 hours later.
Events filled:
Pittsburgh was the winner, filling within 2 minutes
SBPLI Long Island was runner-up which filled in 7 minutes
Greater Toronto in 8 minutes
Long Beach filled at 24 minutes (to be fair, they filled almost twice as many initial slots as any other event, so they would have been first by registering 39 teams by the 2 minute mark)
North Star took all of 45 minutes
10,000 was booked by the second hour
NE-Granite State booked at 9pm Thursday
NE-WPI lost it's last slot early Friday morningThat was the high water mark and then it stalls or slows with only small changes.
12 other events, both Regionals and Districts, whittle down over the day into the single digits with Waterloo the closest at 1 open slot.
M. Mellott
24-09-2015, 12:00
12:02 - Added to waitlist at Greater Pittsburgh Regional
:eek: :mad: Really? Two minutes?
Who knew the skills you learned during college class registration would come in handy. :rolleyes:
PayneTrain
24-09-2015, 12:04
12:02 - Added to waitlist at Greater Pittsburgh Regional
:eek: :mad: Really? Two minutes?
This is actually the least surprising thing I have seen year after year. I'm pretty sure by 2018 open capacity for this event pre-registration is going to be single digits.
KosmicKhaos
24-09-2015, 12:05
12:02 - Added to waitlist at Greater Pittsburgh Regional
:eek: :mad: Really? Two minutes?
I mean, there were only 24 spots available... seems smaller this year
Jimmy Nichols
24-09-2015, 12:07
12:02 - Added to waitlist at Greater Pittsburgh Regional
:eek: :mad: Really? Two minutes?
Always, you should know by now. :D
Pittsburgh conflicted with quarter exams for us. Was debating between Central Illinois and Buckeye, so went Central Illinois until we figure it out knowing Buckeye rarely fills.
M. Mellott
24-09-2015, 12:11
Always, you should know by now. :D
Yeah, I know Jimmy--it's still annoying. Usually, it's not until 12:04 or 12:05!!
24 Teams from China are registered already, 11 of those are rookies, and it's the middle of the night there.
Sperkowsky
24-09-2015, 13:10
Registered for NYC. SBPLI closed too quick and its more expensive to get there for us anyway. This is only half of the slots right? (Sorry wasnt into FRC much at this time last year)
Jeremy Germita
24-09-2015, 13:13
5012 in for Los Angeles.
Aren Siekmeier
24-09-2015, 13:18
You can use: https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso
- Select 2016/events/Show Results
- Click on the event you are interested in
- Click on Queries: What teams are registered for this event?
You can also use frclinks (http://frclinks.frclinks.com/) for quick access to event pages, once you familiarize with the event codes.
Registered for North Star. Happy to see the Hawaiian Kids back in Duluth as well as Duluth's first international team Thunder Down Under.
Kevin Leonard
24-09-2015, 13:24
20 and 5254 registered for Tech Valley. I'm happy to see 3990 back again after having them miss 2015. Also 1622 from California is signed up for TVR as their first event? That's pretty cool!
Lil' Lavery
24-09-2015, 13:31
24 Teams from China are registered already, 11 of those are rookies, and it's the middle of the night there.
This is awesome.
Coach Norm
24-09-2015, 13:37
24 Teams from China are registered already, 11 of those are rookies, and it's the middle of the night there.
+1
Headed to Chesapeake Greater DC District .So excited for our first year in districts
notmattlythgoe
24-09-2015, 13:50
Headed to Chesapeake Greater DC District .So excited for our first year in districts
Greater DC and Richmond seem to be filling up the fastest followed closely by NOVA.
Greater DC and Richmond seem to be filling up the fastest followed closely by NOVA.
Yes, their filling up fast looks like some great competition at both events. I cant wait to see what is look teams choose a second event.
Has anyone put together a page this year that lists events, registered, and open slots on one page for easy browsing?
Mark McLeod
24-09-2015, 14:13
Has anyone put together a page this year that lists events, registered, and open slots on one page for easy browsing?
Not this?
P.S.
I'd like to highlight this nice page that Aren Siekmeier kindly created and is hosting for us to see the totals by event: http://173.255.246.196/2016/
Not this?
Exactly that.::rtm::
sanddrag
24-09-2015, 14:35
Exactly that.::rtm::Back in the day FIRST has this on their own website. Not sure why they ever took it away.
Back in the day FIRST has this on their own website. Not sure why they ever took it away.
Umm because of Mark and Aren Siekmeier?
I think its all they can do to keep the registration site up with the load...
Mark,
I hope you don't mind if I direct Michigan teams also to another post I put under District Events forum. Not everybody subscribe to that sub-forum and if people don't login to their account, they won't see it.
The post is to see which Michigan teams registered for what event.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=138283
Ed
Mark McLeod
24-09-2015, 15:13
Your data are always welcome here :-)
Zebra_Fact_Man
24-09-2015, 16:03
24 Teams from China are registered already, 11 of those are rookies, and it's the middle of the night there.
I really thought they'd have had a regional in-country this year, like Australia.
Maybe next season...
jajabinx124
24-09-2015, 16:28
2052 is registered for 10,000 Lakes.
Happy to see the Hawaiian Kids back in Duluth as well as Duluth's first international team Thunder Down Under.
As am I! Excited to hear that 359 and 3132 are coming to Duluth.
Dominick Ferone
24-09-2015, 16:37
20 and 5254 registered for Tech Valley. I'm happy to see 3990 back again after having them miss 2015. Also 1622 from California is signed up for TVR as their first event? That's pretty cool!
I'm kind of surprised Tech Valley didn't fill up. My guess is because FLR teams don't want to do back to back like last year.
That being said a few Rochester teams are signed up for Pittsburgh and I saw one signed up for NYC.
Curious how quickly FLR will fill during the second registration, and if they will open up more spots later on like they did last year?
Christopher149
24-09-2015, 18:31
I really thought they'd have had a regional in-country this year, like Australia.
Maybe next season...
Should be soon with this many teams. Just need to be able to get an organizing committee together.
I made a map of where teams are in China. There are 14 in the proximity of Hong Kong / Shenzhen. It is, however, about 1200 miles from Beijing where 2 teams are. So, my immediate reaction is hold it near Shenzhen and several teams will just have to fly (but they do that already to Hawaii or Sydney or elsewhere).
Allison K
24-09-2015, 19:09
Mark,
I hope you don't mind if I direct Michigan teams also to another post I put under District Events forum. Not everybody subscribe to that sub-forum and if people don't login to their account, they won't see it.
The post is to see which Michigan teams registered for what event.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=138283
Ed
Thanks Ed!
My version of Michigan stats is up here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vBrPH0Idp_-4y1h2YvtBwkN3czDOdFEp3QukhFsgqgU/edit?usp=sharing) for anybody curious. Ed's spreadsheet has which teams are registered for specific MI districts, and I'll try to keep up with team count and retention stats.
Team 5813 is registered for WPI.:cool:
By the way, this is my first post here on Chief Delphi. :]
tindleroot
24-09-2015, 19:53
By the way, this is my first post here on Chief Delphi. :]
Considering your team is less than 24 hours old, I'm not surprised;)
Considering your team is less than 24 hours old, I'm not surprised;)
Despite the fact that my team is a rookie team, I've been involved in FRC since 2012. I used to be on 1517.
Phoenix Spud
24-09-2015, 19:59
3132 is excited to be heading to the snow for the first time since our rookie season (when we went to the old Granite State Regional)! Northern Lights is looking like a great regional!
Greater DC and Richmond seem to be filling up the fastest followed closely by NOVA.
As of right now:
NOVA: 25 teams
Greater DC: 19 teams
Central Virginia: 17 teams
Northern VA will fill out easily in the next phase: the other two will likely pick up teams who registered at one of the other four events. For example, I suspect most of the Southwest VA event teams to register for Central during 2nd event.
Rookie teams will start with numbers 5777.
Why? We have friends over in Vassar with team #5784 https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/5784
I think the number is 5790 (or they might just go 5800 for uniformity sake, but there's a team registered under 5791 with no 2015 events listed but with 2016 events)
TBA also shows a team number 5777 registered to a team who did not compete last year.
Should be soon with this many teams. Just need to be able to get an organizing committee together.
I made a map of where teams are in China. There are 14 in the proximity of Hong Kong / Shenzhen. It is, however, about 1200 miles from Beijing where 2 teams are. So, my immediate reaction is hold it near Shenzhen and several teams will just have to fly (but they do that already to Hawaii or Sydney or elsewhere).
Our friends in China are shooting for a regional in 2017. FIRST will need to make a decision in the near future if they are willing to support a new regional in China. Things are moving in the right direction but nothing is solid yet. Venue location decision is more than just a geographic one. Sometimes location of major sponsors affect where a regional is held. There will be many more than 2 teams from the Beijing area, by the way.
Why? We have friends over in Vassar with team #5784 https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/5784
I think the number is 5790 (or they might just go 5800 for uniformity sake, but there's a team registered under 5791 with no 2015 events listed but with 2016 events)
TBA also shows a team number 5777 registered to a team who did not compete last year.
According to TBA, Rookies this year start at 5788, it seems.;)
~Daler
Mark McLeod
24-09-2015, 21:00
Why? ...
I saw them on the official registered team list.
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/team/5777
Only 5777 is listed that low, so it probably has 3 or more students who competed elsewhere last year and isn't officially a rookie team, but a veteran.
All the other rookies start at team 5800, so that's probably the right number.
I'll revise the number in post #1.
GaryVoshol
24-09-2015, 21:24
I saw them on the official registered team list.
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/team/5777
Only 5777 is listed that low, so it probably has 3 or more students who competed elsewhere last year and isn't officially a rookie team, but a veteran.
All the other rookies start at team 5800, so that's probably the right number.
I'll revise the number in post #1.
The highest team number I see from last year is 5786.
Probably 5777 looks like a rookie because they registered last year, but did not compete. TBA shows them registered for GA S, but with no results - a no show?
Jon Stratis
25-09-2015, 00:14
3132 is excited to be heading to the snow for the first time since our rookie season (when we went to the old Granite State Regional)! Northern Lights is looking like a great regional!
We look forward to having you up here in week 1! If you haven't yet, book hotels... the close ones fill up fast! You'll love the atmosphere at the DECC - two 60 team regionals under one roof, with just a hallway separating the pits and double curtains separating the fields... it's an amazing venue to hold events in - I think I like it even better than our "home" regional in Minneapolis :)
PayneTrain
25-09-2015, 01:57
As of right now:
NOVA: 25 teams
Greater DC: 19 teams
Central Virginia: 17 teams
Northern VA will fill out easily in the next phase: the other two will likely pick up teams who registered at one of the other four events. For example, I suspect most of the Southwest VA event teams to register for Central during 2nd event.
Teams at the Doswell event are going to end up effectively are going to compete at the same event roster wise in Blacksburg.
sciencenuetzel
25-09-2015, 06:55
So I should probably already know this, but I'll ask my 2 questions anyway. I believe that if a team wins a regional event and they already were a winner at a previous event in the season then the captain of the Finalist team is granted a championship entrance.
If a HoF team (like 254) wins the event, does the captain of the finalist team get to go to championship?
Furthermore, if there were two teams or three teams who already made it to championships (254, 1114, 33) are the winning alliiance, do all three teams from the Finalist alliance make it?
notmattlythgoe
25-09-2015, 07:54
As of right now:
NOVA: 25 teams
Greater DC: 19 teams
Central Virginia: 17 teams
Northern VA will fill out easily in the next phase: the other two will likely pick up teams who registered at one of the other four events. For example, I suspect most of the Southwest VA event teams to register for Central during 2nd event.
Yeah, I saw the NOVA registration coming. Nate made a good choice by signing us up for it first. We are going to have some bummed out week 3 teams come second registration that have to compete in back to back weeks.
MechEng83
25-09-2015, 08:23
So I should probably already know this, but I'll ask my 2 questions anyway. I believe that if a team wins a regional event and they already were a winner at a previous event in the season then the captain of the Finalist team is granted a championship entrance.
If a HoF team (like 254) wins the event, does the captain of the finalist team get to go to championship?
Furthermore, if there were two teams or three teams who already made it to championships (254, 1114, 33) are the winning alliiance, do all three teams from the Finalist alliance make it?
This is subject to change this year, but as of last year, wild cards were generated from any pre-competition qualifications.
If a HoF team or previous year CMP winner wins at their first event, a wild card is generated. If a team wins and also earns Chairman's/EI at the same regional, a wildcard is generated for the finalist alliance. If any team wins in a regional AFTER they've earned a qualification spot in a previous regional in the same year (win, RCA, EI, RAS) it generates a wild card.
If a qualified team earns RCA/EI and wins at the same regional, they generate 2 wild card slots.
Wild cards are passed down the finalist alliance in pick order until the next new team qualifies for the Championship. Wild cards are "lost" if everyone on the finalist alliance is also qualified.
Some of you may have caught the mistake already. FIRST changed the event code of Woodhaven Michigan District from mifla to mibro. I uploaded a new spreadsheet in http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/3169 or you can just change the cell W23 in sheet "Teams List for Events" to mibro.
EricLeifermann
25-09-2015, 08:55
This is subject to change this year, but as of last year, wild cards were generated from in-season qualifications only.
So, If a HoF team or previous year CMP winner wins at their first event, no wild card is generated. If a team wins and also earns Chairman's/EI at the same regional, a wildcard is generated for the finalist alliance. If any team wins in a regional AFTER they've earned a qualification spot in a previous regional in the same year (win, RCA, EI, RAS) it generates a wild card.
Wild cards are passed down the finalist alliance in pick order until the next new team qualifies for the Championship. Wild cards are "lost" if everyone on the finalist alliance is also qualified.
Incorrect. Last year HOF, original sustaining team and championship award winners generated wild cards right away.
MechEng83
25-09-2015, 09:15
Incorrect. Last year HOF, original sustaining team and championship award winners generated wild cards right away.
My mistake. I misremembered some of the differences between 2014 and 2015. I remembered the team generating a wild card if they double qualified, because we would have benefited from that in 2014 as the 1st pick on the finalist alliance.
For reference, here's the blog post actually describing the current wild card procedure: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-2015-FIRST-Championship-and-beyond-Eligibility
Teams at the Doswell event are going to end up effectively are going to compete at the same event roster wise in Blacksburg.
Agreed. The Blacksburg and Doswell events will have nearly the same roster, with probably the only difference being a few Eastern VA teams who don't get Northern will come to Central.
MrRoboSteve
25-09-2015, 10:32
We look forward to having you up here in week 1! If you haven't yet, book hotels... the close ones fill up fast! You'll love the atmosphere at the DECC - two 60 team regionals under one roof, with just a hallway separating the pits and double curtains separating the fields... it's an amazing venue to hold events in - I think I like it even better than our "home" regional in Minneapolis :)
The best part of the Duluth regionals IMO is the Double-DECCer match. After the two regionals complete their finals, the regionals combine into one for a super-finals round between the two winning alliances. Teams take it pretty seriously.
Mark McLeod
25-09-2015, 12:01
Interrupting the random sidebar conversations with registration data...
At noon there were 1736 teams registered.
That's a little over 50% of the final count of teams expected for this season.
88 are rookies (team #'s 5800 and higher), that's 5% of the teams currently registered.
The rookie percentage of total teams will eventually be higher as rookies are typically late registers.
Waterloo finally filled their last general admission slot.
9 Regional events are in the single digits.
4 District events are single digit
2 District events have assigned all their initial open slots.
7 Regional events have assigned all their initial open slots.
Francis-134
25-09-2015, 12:10
Interrupting the random sidebar conversations with registration data...
At noon there were 1736 teams registered.
That's a little over 50% of the final count of teams expected for this season.
88 are rookies (team #'s 5800 and higher), that's 5% of the teams currently registered.
The rookie percentage of total teams will eventually be higher as rookies are typically late registers.
Waterloo finally filled their last general admission slot.
9 Regional events are in the single digits.
4 District events are single digit
2 District events have assigned all their initial open slots.
7 Regional events have assigned all their initial open slots.
Thank you for the data Mark! I always look forward to this part of the off-season.
Is it too early to ask how registration this year compares to last year?
Mark McLeod
25-09-2015, 13:05
Lake Superior is the next event to fill 25 hours after registration opened.
Northern Lights was filled next at 27 hours.
I'll get a comparison to last year at this time. I'm painting trim today and that slows me down a little.
Greg Needel
25-09-2015, 13:07
Should be soon with this many teams. Just need to be able to get an organizing committee together.
I made a map of where teams are in China. There are 14 in the proximity of Hong Kong / Shenzhen. It is, however, about 1200 miles from Beijing where 2 teams are. So, my immediate reaction is hold it near Shenzhen and several teams will just have to fly (but they do that already to Hawaii or Sydney or elsewhere).
I would be willing to bet that when the regional in china happens it will be in the Shenzhen area. While there may be some teams inconvenienced by the travel distance, long distance affordable transit is much easier in china than in the USA (and much cheaper if you consider that right now all of the teams are coming to the USA). Both FIRST partners in china (Semia and Dadalele) have their Headquarters in Shenzhen along with the highest concentration of teams.
That being said, I thing that the growth will be very fast in china and they could possibly support two events in their first year (north and south). I am very interested to see how this develops over the next few years.
mipo0707
25-09-2015, 13:14
china team 5861 coming to gtr east a canadian regional
Jimmy Nichols
25-09-2015, 14:44
Lake Superior is the next event to fill 25 hours after registration opened.
I'll get a comparison to last year at this time. I'm painting trim today and that slows me down a little.
Just like I tell my team no scheduling other projects during build season. Mark, no scheduling other projects during Registration Season...Just teasing. Thanks for all the great stats!
Mark McLeod
25-09-2015, 18:25
We're actually under last year's registration rate.
Attached is a comparison of the first 12 hours over the past five seasons.
The second line down is this year.
We're actually under last year's registration rate.
Attached is a comparison of the first 12 hours over the past five seasons.
The second line down is this year.
The rate may be lower because headquarters is maybe taking a harder line on YPP requirement of both lead and alternates having completed the task and many more teams than last year may be waiting for clearance to register?
Mark McLeod
25-09-2015, 18:41
We've had one local team that I've heard from with a new Alternate contact that did YPP at the last minute and couldn't register yesterday because of the ~3 day wait.
The same YPP requirements held last year didn't they?
Since YPP is good for 3 years I would think last year would have seen more of an impact since everyone had to get it done.
This year it's only changes in Main/Alternate that could be held up by YPP.
Of course there was more of a publicized YPP push last year, so more teams may have been caught flatfooted this year.
I wonder if any teams in the new districts are delayed in being assigned to events? I know Michigan has caused odd bumps in prior years when they held assignments, then released them all at once.
MechEng83
25-09-2015, 19:17
We've had one local team that I've heard from with a new Alternate contact that did YPP at the last minute and couldn't register yesterday because of the ~3 day wait.
The same YPP requirements held last year didn't they?
Since YPP is good for 3 years I would think last year would have seen more of an impact since everyone had to get it done.
This year it's only changes in Main/Alternate that could be held up by YPP.
Of course there was more of a publicized YPP push last year, so more teams may have been caught flatfooted this year.
I wonder if any teams in the new districts are delayed in being assigned to events? I know Michigan has caused odd bumps in prior years when they held assignments, then released them all at once.
I don't know how widespread this was, but I know there was an issue with some district teams listed as a traditional event structure and couldn't register for their district event.
Phoenix Spud
25-09-2015, 20:59
Excited to see another country come to the FRC family! Welcome Team 5883 from Poland!
Christopher149
25-09-2015, 22:18
We've had one local team that I've heard from with a new Alternate contact that did YPP at the last minute and couldn't register yesterday because of the ~3 day wait.
The same YPP requirements held last year didn't they?
Since YPP is good for 3 years I would think last year would have seen more of an impact since everyone had to get it done.
This year it's only changes in Main/Alternate that could be held up by YPP.
Of course there was more of a publicized YPP push last year, so more teams may have been caught flatfooted this year.
I wonder if any teams in the new districts are delayed in being assigned to events? I know Michigan has caused odd bumps in prior years when they held assignments, then released them all at once.
I know that in Michigan because you are guaranteed a spot at your home event (at least for sure this year) that a lot of teams are signing up very slowly (hopefully they'll have it done in a week or two).
We've had one local team that I've heard from with a new Alternate contact that did YPP at the last minute and couldn't register yesterday because of the ~3 day wait.
The same YPP requirements held last year didn't they?
Since YPP is good for 3 years I would think last year would have seen more of an impact since everyone had to get it done.
This year it's only changes in Main/Alternate that could be held up by YPP.
Of course there was more of a publicized YPP push last year, so more teams may have been caught flatfooted this year.
I wonder if any teams in the new districts are delayed in being assigned to events? I know Michigan has caused odd bumps in prior years when they held assignments, then released them all at once.
Headquarters sent out a targeted email blast to 1200 Lead Mentors who had not completed the YPP as of the 21st... We were not one of them:) That may have resulted in a rush they couldn't handle in 3-4 days?
We've had one local team that I've heard from with a new Alternate contact that did YPP at the last minute and couldn't register yesterday because of the ~3 day wait.
The same YPP requirements held last year didn't they?
Since YPP is good for 3 years I would think last year would have seen more of an impact since everyone had to get it done.
This year it's only changes in Main/Alternate that could be held up by YPP.
Of course there was more of a publicized YPP push last year, so more teams may have been caught flatfooted this year.
I wonder if any teams in the new districts are delayed in being assigned to events? I know Michigan has caused odd bumps in prior years when they held assignments, then released them all at once.
As far as I have seen, CHS teams are being assigned immediately.
PayneTrain
26-09-2015, 00:22
As far as I have seen, CHS teams are being assigned immediately.
We are?
logank013
26-09-2015, 00:35
We're actually under last year's registration rate.
Attached is a comparison of the first 12 hours over the past five seasons.
The second line down is this year.
Where do you even find that information? Haha
sciencenuetzel
26-09-2015, 01:01
Where do you even find Thai satay? Haha
Logan. Please spell check. And think before you post.
sciencenuetzel
26-09-2015, 01:05
Or check out http://www.thaisatay.net/
Thai Satay San Mateo
173 East Fourth Ave.
San Mateo, CA 94401
8 years in a row. Best Thai Restaurant in San Mateo County.
Where do you even find Thai satay? Haha
Chicken Satay is a common appetizer at Thai restaurants, consisting of a few pieces of grilled chicken served on a skewer with a peanut sauce. There are some pretty decent Thai restaurants up near Keystone.
Jasmine Thai Restaurant
River Ridge Crossing, 4825 E 96th St, Indianapolis, IN 46240
On the topic of registration, I was quite surprised that so many Indiana teams registered for the Tippecanoe Distrct when the other two seem to be closer to the population center of teams.
Mark,
I love your thread, the data, and analysis you provide every year.
I won't lie -- I'm having trouble following along sometimes with all the side conversations happening.
I think you have moderator powers. Perhaps you should split off many of these other posts into "Registration 2016 Discussion" and leave this thread for your useful commentary?
Please keep doing what you're doing. Thanks!
-John
SoftwareBug2.0
26-09-2015, 13:03
I know that in Michigan because you are guaranteed a spot at your home event (at least for sure this year) that a lot of teams are signing up very slowly (hopefully they'll have it done in a week or two).
This is the same for the Michigan teams as it was last year though, right? I think part of the slower signups may be due to the PNW district introducing home events for the first time. Last year the PNW had multiple events filled by now.
logank013
26-09-2015, 15:54
Logan. Please spell check. And think before you post.
Check my spelling again. Lol. When I saw what I wrote, I was confused.
Alan Anderson
26-09-2015, 18:17
On the topic of registration, I was quite surprised that so many Indiana teams registers for the Tippecanoe Distrct when the other two seem to be closer to the population center of teams.
The other two Indiana events are approximately the same location. My main reason for suggesting the Tippecanoe event for our team was that we didn't really want to attend both Indianapolis competitions, and it really isn't that big a deal which one of them we end up going to.
On the topic of registration, I was quite surprised that so many Indiana teams registered for the Tippecanoe Distrct when the other two seem to be closer to the population center of teams.
The other two Indiana events are approximately the same location. My main reason for suggesting the Tippecanoe event for our team was that we didn't really want to attend both Indianapolis competitions, and it really isn't that big a deal which one of them we end up going to.
Another reason I've heard floating around is that teams are not looking to do back-to-back districts if it can be avoided. So lots of teams are hoping for a week2 & week4 season. Since the northern part of the state is more heavily populated with teams than the southern part, it makes sense that they'll go for the Tippy event. And, as Alan said, the other two are pretty much interchangeable.
Also since Purdue has been so good to us over the years, and Tippy is sort of the BMR replacement, with the possibility of campus tours and the sights and sounds (and smells) of West Lafayette being so appealing.
Perhaps you should split off many of these other posts into "Registration 2016 Discussion" and leave this thread for your useful commentary?
I second John's vote for a secondary thread. One thread for numbers and another for Registration 2016 discussion.
M. Mellott
28-09-2015, 12:57
12:02 - Added to waitlist at Greater Pittsburgh Regional
:eek: :mad: Really? Two minutes?
I mean, there were only 24 spots available... seems smaller this year
For those interested in signing up for the Greater Pittsburgh Regional and are concerned with going on the waitlist, there is light at the end of the tunnel. I have it from a reliable source over the weekend that the Regional reserved many more than the typical 10 slots for rookies...it may be closer to 20 or 25 slots. I believe they were concerned that they wouldn't have enough in reserve since it had filled up so fast the last several years--I think they may have had issues last year.
NOVA teams are hungry! 29 spots filled, 5 available, the rest open for rookies. Man, we'll have to see if we can squeeze in some more teams at the school somewhere...
Should make for a fun Saturday night too.
Lil' Lavery
28-09-2015, 14:32
1712 was also exploring the possibility of doing an early (preferably week 1) out of district play, but the options are pretty slim and mostly already filled. Indiana teams may have more options with FiM districts just across the border and being a more realistic option. MAR teams pretty much have to hope they can sneak into one of the 16 remaining Waterfords spots in week 1, or else there really isn't much available. We were really hoping to get into NOVA, but knew it wasn't likely.
logank013
28-09-2015, 14:39
1712 was also exploring the possibility of doing an early (preferably week 1) out of district play, but the options are pretty slim and mostly already filled. Indiana teams may have more options with FiM districts just across the border and being a more realistic option. MAR teams pretty much have to hope they can sneak into one of the 16 remaining Waterfords spots in week 1, or else there really isn't much available. We were really hoping to get into NOVA, but knew it wasn't likely.
In guessing NOVA is a regional but what is it? Thanks
Lil' Lavery
28-09-2015, 14:40
In guessing NOVA is a regional but what is it? Thanks
Northern Virginia district event. See the post right before mine by the host team (1885).
NOVA teams are hungry! 29 spots filled, 5 available, the rest open for rookies. Man, we'll have to see if we can squeeze in some more teams at the school somewhere...
Should make for a fun Saturday night too.
1712 was also exploring the possibility of doing an early (preferably week 1) out of district play, but the options are pretty slim and mostly already filled. Indiana teams may have more options with FiM districts just across the border and being a more realistic option. MAR teams pretty much have to hope they can sneak into one of the 16 remaining Waterfords spots in week 1, or else there really isn't much available. We were really hoping to get into NOVA, but knew it wasn't likely.
We're in the same spot. Our ideal situtation is being able to get into Lake Superior/Northern Lights, but the MN events are pretty full year-to-year and we have no idea if there's going to be spots left by the time unrestricted registration comes around. Going up to Michigan or down to North Carolina are our backup options.
notmattlythgoe
28-09-2015, 14:49
Northern Virginia district event. See the post right before mine by the host team (1885).
With 2 events on week 3 and only 1 event week 1 I knew this would be the first event filled. Glad Nate decided to sign us up for it first instead of our home event.
EDesbiens
28-09-2015, 14:51
Come to Montreal guys! There's plenty of room left and we are friendly :)
Brian Maher
28-09-2015, 14:54
NOVA teams are hungry! 29 spots filled, 5 available, the rest open for rookies. Man, we'll have to see if we can squeeze in some more teams at the school somewhere...
Should make for a fun Saturday night too.
Week 1 district events fill quickly from my experience.
Of MAR's 66 week 1 spots (Mount Olive and Hatboro Horsham), all but eight are filled.
1712 was also exploring the possibility of doing an early (preferably week 1) out of district play, but the options are pretty slim and mostly already filled. Indiana teams may have more options with FiM districts just across the border and being a more realistic option. MAR teams pretty much have to hope they can sneak into one of the 16 remaining Waterfords spots in week 1, or else there really isn't much available. We were really hoping to get into NOVA, but knew it wasn't likely.
I heard, though haven't confirmed, CHS has 7 spots for 3rd-district or inter-district play. That's 1-ish spot per event, assuming projections for rookie teams hold. Reasonable since it's the first year, but I'd go for what you want nonetheless. Haven't seen you in a while!
Week 1 district events fill quickly from my experience.
Of MAR's 66 week 1 spots (Mount Olive and Hatboro Horsham), all but eight are filled.
This is good to know. I had no idea.
tindleroot
28-09-2015, 15:27
We're in the same spot. Our ideal situtation is being able to get into Lake Superior/Northern Lights, but the MN events are pretty full year-to-year and we have no idea if there's going to be spots left by the time unrestricted registration comes around. Going up to Michigan or down to North Carolina are our backup options.
Your odds of making a Michigan event are extremely low. We tried last year but all of the events were full. Not surprising, with the number of FiM teams there are. However, this year Midwest is week 5 so that is an option later if you want to play some out of district teams before DCMP. Other than that, Chesapeake or North Carolina events may be a good option.
Lil' Lavery
28-09-2015, 15:28
Week 1 district events fill quickly from my experience.
Of MAR's 66 week 1 spots (Mount Olive and Hatboro Horsham), all but eight are filled.
I think that may be coincidence. Other districts still have significant availabilities in their week 1 events. I think it's mostly that Hatboro Horsham and Mount Olive are both long standing and well respected MAR districts in good locations.
MaGiC_PiKaChU
28-09-2015, 16:14
Come to Montreal guys! There's plenty of room left and we are friendly :)
we're registering on 2nd wave! We had to get at spot at GTRC before it was full :p
PayneTrain
28-09-2015, 23:48
I heard, though haven't confirmed, CHS has 7 spots for 3rd-district or inter-district play. That's 1-ish spot per event, assuming projections for rookie teams hold. Reasonable since it's the first year, but I'd go for what you want nonetheless. Haven't seen you in a while!
They're estimating an increase of 10 teams to the pool? Life is so interesting.
Jimmy Nichols
29-09-2015, 06:13
We're in the same spot. Our ideal situtation is being able to get into Lake Superior/Northern Lights, but the MN events are pretty full year-to-year and we have no idea if there's going to be spots left by the time unrestricted registration comes around. Going up to Michigan or down to North Carolina are our backup options.
You could always jump back over to a traditional event and come to Cincinnati for QCR.
You could always jump back over to a traditional event and come to Cincinnati for QCR.
+1. We've been there a few times; it's always a quality event with quality teams (but they let us come anyway).
Aren Siekmeier
29-09-2015, 07:58
We're in the same spot. Our ideal situtation is being able to get into Lake Superior/Northern Lights, but the MN events are pretty full year-to-year and we have no idea if there's going to be spots left by the time unrestricted registration comes around. Going up to Michigan or down to North Carolina are our backup options.
There are usually 1 or 2 extra spots in Duluth by the 3rd round. Team 27 has done it for a few years now. Good idea to contact the RPC to feel it out. Great event at a great venue, would be cool to have you!
Mark McLeod
29-09-2015, 09:30
Sorry I was busy this past weekend and fell behind here.
I took a look at what was the origin of the lower initial registration between last year and this year. The attached image compares team registration by the first weekend after opening, and is just the difference between last season and this season (negative means fewer teams from that location registered this year, positive means more registered this year).
It seems to be the PNW District somewhat offset by gains in China.
Registration slowed over the weekend as it usually does.
We passed 1900 teams around 5 o'clock on Monday.
We can see by the second attachment that registration has at least met up with last year, even though we know it must be ahead by a margin.
P.S. The dates on the base axis of the second chart are normalized to changing opening dates back to 2005 and don't reflect the current dates.
Mark McLeod
29-09-2015, 09:35
I'm not a moderator, so I can't split the posts into separate threads.
Not sure that I'd want the extra workload.
CD threads usually turn into more of a chat room.
People asking unrelated questions because this is where they found people talking. Some posts have been way off topic, and conversations, while others are debating issues that bear on the numbers.
Zebra_Fact_Man
29-09-2015, 13:07
What's going on with PNW?
Michael Corsetto
29-09-2015, 13:13
What's going on with PNW?
It may have something to do with this shift. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138007)
-Mike
Francis-134
29-09-2015, 13:15
What's going on with PNW?
From what I understand, they have gone to a "Home Event" system, similar to Michigan (on top of other changes to their district workings). However, there are teams that do not wish to participate in their home event for various reasons (timing being a big one). Teams can choose to opt-out of the home event system, and instead register for both districts during second event registration.
Because of this, we see a lot of teams not registered. We should see a massive spike in PNW teams come second event registration.
EDIT: See post above by Mike for more info!
notmattlythgoe
29-09-2015, 13:22
From what I understand, they have gone to a "Home Event" system, similar to Michigan (on top of other changes to their district workings). However, there are teams that do not wish to participate in their home event for various reasons (timing being a big one). Teams can choose to opt-out of the home event system, and instead register for both districts during second event registration.
Because of this, we see a lot of teams not registered. We should see a massive spike in PNW teams come second event registration.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=1498021
EDIT: See post above by Mike for more info!
Any reason why the teams don't want to attend their home event?
Zebra_Fact_Man
29-09-2015, 13:32
From what I understand, they have gone to a "Home Event" system, similar to Michigan (on top of other changes to their district workings).
Totally get it. Right now, MI is sitting somewhere around the 190's, however our total number when all said and done should be closer to 400.
Any reason why the teams don't want to attend their home event?
My team is not attending our home event. For us, it is because of a couple of factors:
1) the pits were really dim (we needed to use work lights to see well inside the robot).
2) the event tends to be one of the most difficult districts in the state. As a younger team, that makes it harder to qualify for MSC.
3) the bleachers are open underneath, so it's easy to drop items down into the void.
4) there's many other events within comfortable driving distance that we like better.
Doug Frisk
29-09-2015, 14:04
Any reason why the teams don't want to attend their home event?
Perhaps they want to see something other than the same 20 teams they see every year.
PayneTrain
29-09-2015, 14:22
Any reason why the teams don't want to attend their home event?
Like he said, timing is a big factor. I know we made our selections based primarily on how they will slot into the season calendar. As we move into future seasons in TCD we probably would add weights like event quality and roster depth.
MrRoboSteve
29-09-2015, 15:18
We're in the same spot. Our ideal situtation is being able to get into Lake Superior/Northern Lights, but the MN events are pretty full year-to-year and we have no idea if there's going to be spots left by the time unrestricted registration comes around. Going up to Michigan or down to North Carolina are our backup options.
New Iowa regional will take some pressure off of the Duluth regionals.
Doug Frisk
29-09-2015, 15:39
New Iowa regional will take some pressure off of the Duluth regionals.
Maybe, maybe not. I expect a lot of teams, particularly from southern MN, to go for Iowa as their second regional. But I suspect that there are enough teams in MN who want to do a second regional who haven't in the past that all 4 Minnesota regionals and Iowa will reach capacity.
Bob Steele
29-09-2015, 17:21
Any reason why the teams don't want to attend their home event?
I am not sure about the other teams in PNW but we opted out because we really didn't want to do week 5 event with the District CMP in week 6.
FIRST requires the home events to be designated by nearest zip code and even though the event we wanted was closer (by actual mileage) our home event was designated as a different one.
You should see a big jump when we all get a chance to use our first choice.
It is really a matter of timing... we try to set up our season so that the events are spaced out so students aren't out of class for 2 weeks in a row.
There also might be a little kickback because of the new payment schedule/ payment amounts but I am not sure about that.... I will reserve comments regarding that to other threads.
Any reason why the teams don't want to attend their home event?
Our 'home event' is late in the season and more inconvenient for many on the team to attend, so I'm keeping an eye on registration numbers each day. If our preferred events are at risk of filling before 2nd event registration opens, I'll accept our registration for the home event -- otherwise, I'll pick two events at once in a few weeks.
Thad House
29-09-2015, 19:37
Any reason why the teams don't want to attend their home event?
With the 2nd Portland event also being week 5, I suspect that many Portland area teams are waiting to see if they can get into Wilsonville week 2, and then maybe traveling to Philomath week 4. Having weeks 2, 4, and 5 is not a great distribution for Oregon, because if a team misses out on Wilsonville week 2, they end up having to do Weeks 4, 5 and 6 unless they want to travel the 3+ hours to the next closest event. Hopefully it goes back to 1, 3, 5 next year, because 2, 4, 5 would not be sustainable, and is going to cause a lot of teams trouble.
MrRoboSteve
29-09-2015, 22:05
Maybe, maybe not. I expect a lot of teams, particularly from southern MN, to go for Iowa as their second regional. But I suspect that there are enough teams in MN who want to do a second regional who haven't in the past that all 4 Minnesota regionals and Iowa will reach capacity.
Will be interesting to see how this pans out. What were there -- 20? MN teams that were at 2 regionals last year?
For S. MN teams, Cedar Falls looks like it could be a cheaper destination than Duluth. Looking at rack rates, the Radisson is 50% higher than the Clarion. Also lower transportation costs.
Jon Stratis
29-09-2015, 23:15
Will be interesting to see how this pans out. What were there -- 20? MN teams that were at 2 regionals last year?
For S. MN teams, Cedar Falls looks like it could be a cheaper destination than Duluth. Looking at rack rates, the Radisson is 50% higher than the Clarion. Also lower transportation costs.
37 MN teams attended 2 regionals last year, and one attended 3 - roughly 20% of MN teams attended multiple regional events. This number has been growing over the years, slowly though.
logank013
29-09-2015, 23:31
When is the second registration date? Same with 3rd 4th or 5th. I'd just like to know. Thanks.
When is the second registration date? Same with 3rd 4th or 5th. I'd just like to know. Thanks.
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/calendar/list
1st District/Regional Event- Registration OPENS Thu, 09/24/2015
2nd District Event - Registration OPENS Thu, 10/8/2015
2016 FIRST Championship Pre-Qualified Teams Registration OPENS Thu, 10/8/2015
2016 FIRST Championship Waitlist Registration for Veteran Teams OPENS Thu, 10/22/2015
2nd Regional Event Registration OPENS Thu, 10/22/2015
Unrestricted Regional Event Registration OPENS Thu, 11/5/2015
Additional In-District Event Registration OPENS Thu, 11/5/2015
Additional Inter-District Event Registration OPENS Thu, 11/12/2015
Additional Inter-District Event Registration CLOSES Mon, 11/23/2015
All Regional Events & All District Events Registration CLOSES Mon, 11/23/2015
Additional In-District Event Registration CLOSES Mon, 11/23/2015
2016 FIRST Championship Waitlist Registration CLOSES Fri, 04/15/2016
Mark McLeod
30-09-2015, 07:50
2001 teams currently registered as of this morning.
The St. Louis Regional went to waitlist yesterday. The first since the beginning heady 27 hours.
16 countries have been heard from:
1 ---- Ecuador
1 ---- Germany
1 ---- Poland
1 ---- Taiwan
2 ---- Chile
2 ---- Dominican Republic
3 ---- Netherlands
2 ---- Turkey
2 ---- United Kingdom
3 ---- Brazil
6 ---- Canada-AB
7 ---- Israel
11 --- Australia
21 --- Mexico
26 --- Canada-QC
30 --- China
107 -- Canada-ON
1775 - USA
EDesbiens
30-09-2015, 12:39
2001 teams currently registered as of this morning.
The St. Louis Regional went to waitlist yesterday. The first since the beginning heady 27 hours.
16 countries have been heard from:
1 ---- Ecuador
1 ---- Germany
1 ---- Poland
1 ---- Taiwan
2 ---- Chile
2 ---- Dominican Republic
3 ---- Netherlands
2 ---- Turkey
2 ---- United Kingdom
3 ---- Brazil
6 ---- Canada-AB
7 ---- Israel
11 --- Australia
21 --- Mexico
26 --- Canada-QC
30 --- China
107 -- Canada-ON
1775 - USA
The number of teams in China is pretty impressive! How much did they have last year?
And why is Canada splitted? :(
logank013
30-09-2015, 12:45
The number of teams in China is pretty impressive! How much did they have last year?
And why is Canada splitted? :(
Mexico is pretty impressive. They have 7 rookie teams at the Mexico City regional. All are from Mexico.
The number of teams in China is pretty impressive! How much did they have last year?
And why is Canada splitted? :(
Chinese teams competed in various regionals, including Las Vegas, Hawaii, Australia, New York and a few more last year as well as Champs as I recall.
logank013
30-09-2015, 13:23
Hey. I noticed on the FIRST website that Georgia districts are abbreviated PCH. So, FiM stands for FIRST in Michigan and IN stands for Indiana so I was expected Georgia to be like FiG or GA. Any ideas on what PCH stands for? Could it be Peach?
notmattlythgoe
30-09-2015, 13:24
Hey. I noticed on the FIRST website that Georgia districts are abbreviated PCH. So, FiM stands for FIRST in Michigan and IN stands for Indiana so I was expected Georgia to be like FiG or GA. Any ideas on what PCH stands for? Could it be Peach?
Peachtree, just like CHS stands for Cheese, I mean Chesapeake.
Mark McLeod
30-09-2015, 13:42
Last year China had 23 teams.
I split Canada just to show which provinces have the most growth.
Jared Russell
30-09-2015, 14:19
It is amazing that already China has the third highest number of registered teams (granted, Israel still has many more yet to show up, but still...)
I wonder how long it will be until China surpasses Canada. 2018?
logank013
30-09-2015, 22:30
It is amazing that already China has the third highest number of registered teams (granted, Israel still has many more yet to show up, but still...)
I wonder how long it will be until China surpasses Canada. 2018?
That's plausible but they'd need a second regional and probably a third assuming each team goes to 1 regional and each regional holds 60 teams. How many Canada teams are there in all? I'm assuming around 150.
That's plausible but they'd need a second regional and probably a third assuming each team goes to 1 regional and each regional holds 60 teams. How many Canada teams are there in all? I'm assuming around 150.
Y'know, Mark did post the current registration numbers. Canada currently has 139 if you add the three provinces together.
And multiple regionals can be arranged, I'm sure. It was "only" 17 FRC seasons ago that CA had their first regional. The second followed two seasons later. The third took 3-4 years as I recall. The fourth followed another 3-4 years later. And another one came a long about the same amount of time later... but the last couple additions didn't take quite that long. It just takes a little time...
MaGiC_PiKaChU
30-09-2015, 23:06
Y'know, Mark did post the current registration numbers. Canada currently has 139 if you add the three provinces together.
And multiple regionals can be arranged, I'm sure. It was "only" 17 FRC seasons ago that CA had their first regional. The second followed two seasons later. The third took 3-4 years as I recall. The fourth followed another 3-4 years later. And another one came a long about the same amount of time later... but the last couple additions didn't take quite that long. It just takes a little time...
it only shows registered teams! there was around 42 teams from QC last year and only 26 signed up for their first regional
Mark McLeod
01-10-2015, 06:55
Orlando & Silicon Valley booked up yesterday.
There were 197 Canadian teams last season.
As can be seen by the first weekend comparison (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19327&d=1443533253),
in general, QC is slower signing up this year, while ON is quicker, and they offset each other for a Canadian registration pace that's pretty normal.
Canada is at ~ 76% of last year's final count.
All FRC is at ~ 72% of last year's final count.
2100 teams have registered.
130 rookies
Mark McLeod
02-10-2015, 10:05
Registration numbers finally surpassed last season at this same time.
2200 teams
Lil' Lavery
02-10-2015, 10:25
What's that bump that always occurs around the 3rd week of October? 2nd event registration causing more initial registrations? FiM teams getting enrolled? Grant approvals?
Mark McLeod
02-10-2015, 10:54
I ran the numbers but didn't have time for a graph. I'm traveling this weekend, so I won't be able to post the graph until Sunday.
Allison K
02-10-2015, 10:55
What's that bump that always occurs around the 3rd week of October? 2nd event registration causing more initial registrations? FiM teams getting enrolled? Grant approvals?
FiM probably contributes to the bump. I'm currently showing 131 FiM teams not registered for their home event. I'm not sure what portion of those are passing on the home event vs. what portion are just slow to register because I didn't get numbers from last year, but I expect many are in the former category and will suddently show up on Thursday.
Mark McLeod
05-10-2015, 11:14
Here's another year-to-year comparison of registration numbers by area.
This at the time of the graph in my previous post, so they can be compared.
I'll go review just where the bump came from in previous years, but I think it's just the surge after the weekend, as the week starts and teams start registering during normal business hours. The phenomena is more pronounced early in registration and the effect gradually lessens as time goes by and the registration graph levels out.
In the graphs we can see weekend plateaus and weekday climbs. It's more obvious when the graph is zoomed in.
New Michigan district event on FIRST website. It is in Week 2. You would never guess where it is. It is a brilliant idea.
Christopher149
07-10-2015, 23:26
New Michigan district event on FIRST website. It is in Week 2. You would never guess where it is. It is a brilliant idea.
I was going to say that the Bloomfield Hills event that had been posted a couple weeks back was happening. Kettering University Event #2 is not what I expected.
I was going to say that the Bloomfield Hills event that had been posted a couple weeks back was happening. Kettering University Event #2 is not what I expected.
If it was at my own school building, first of all I would know, why would I say it was a brilliant idea. Kettering 2 is a brilliant idea because they only have to set up the field once, leave it there for the next weekend and take it down once. It saves so much volunteer time. Imagine finding a place that you can have a district competition every week for 6 weeks. That would be something.
Jared Russell
08-10-2015, 10:42
Imagine finding a place that you can have a district competition every week for 6 weeks. That would be something.
Taking it a step further, have the field available to teams for unbagging windows during the week or on weekends when there is no official event.
This is a luxury enjoyed by every other high school sport.
New Michigan district event on FIRST website. It is in Week 2. You would never guess where it is. It is a brilliant idea.
Is this the first time that the same venue is hosting two official competitions, during different weekends?
Christopher149
08-10-2015, 10:59
Is this the first time that the same venue is hosting two official competitions, during different weekends?
Did Georgia have a regional at the World Congress Center when CMP was in Atlanta? Edit: looks like probably not.
The_ShamWOW88
08-10-2015, 11:13
Imagine having a number of locations depending on the district that host events each week and the district championship as normal...so teams could choose to attend 2 - 3 events at one location.
It could allow for those teams to have access to the field in between events but I can't imagine the logistics needed for this....
Mark McLeod
08-10-2015, 12:01
2nd District registration gave us a bit of a bump at noon today.
We're at 2448 teams registered.
New Michigan district event on FIRST website. It is in Week 2. You would never guess where it is. It is a brilliant idea.
Seems like a terrible idea to me. Hope they only did it because there wasn't any options.
One of the goals of Michigan Districts stated as "This allows teams to play close to home and gives families, schools, local government, businesses and media easy access to local FIRST Competitions." By putting two events in the same place one group of teams get to do this twice while other groups of teams are waiting for their chance to do this.
Additionally I don't believe you will see the benefit one just field setup under a model like this, since I doubt many schools will just let teams leave a set up FRC field in their gym for a whole week. Gym classes, clubs, and other sports will still need to utilize that gym.
Allison K
08-10-2015, 12:56
Seems like a terrible idea to me. Hope they only did it because there wasn't any options.
One of the goals of Michigan Districts stated as "This allows teams to play close to home and gives families, schools, local government, businesses and media easy access to local FIRST Competitions." By putting two events in the same place one group of teams get to do this twice while other groups of teams are waiting for their chance to do this.
Additionally I don't believe you will see the benefit one just field setup under a model like this, since I doubt many schools will just let teams leave a set up FRC field in their gym for a whole week. Gym classes, clubs, and other sports will still need to utilize that gym.
It's not so bad. There were 39 teams assigned as "home" for the original week 1 Kettering event, so having two events allows for all of the local teams to play at their local event while also allowing for visiting teams to come and mix it up a bit.
Also, Kettering is a University and they do actually have a field set up that teams can visit. I don't entirely know the details of how a team would go about visiting but the university is pretty FRC-friendly in general. There's a bunch of KU students on this forum that may be able to address that concern more thoroughly.
It's not so bad. There were 39 teams assigned as "home" for the original week 1 Kettering event, so having two events allows for all of the local teams to play at their local event while also allowing for visiting teams to come and mix it up a bit.
Also, Kettering is a University and they do actually have a field set up that teams can visit. I don't entirely know the details of how a team would go about visiting but the university is pretty FRC-friendly in general. There's a bunch of KU students on this forum that may be able to address that concern more thoroughly.
QFT on both points. If you figure you should have 1 district event per cluster of 20 teams, two events in Flint absolutely makes sense. Also, Kettering is the only college I can think of that would even possibly do this. They're FRC-crazy and my understanding is they will be leaving the field up for the whole week. That said, you're right that it's unlikely this becomes common because only the rare place would be willing to leave a field for a whole week.
logank013
08-10-2015, 13:35
I was going to say that the Bloomfield Hills event that had been posted a couple weeks back was happening. Kettering University Event #2 is not what I expected.
Why does the Kettering event #2 say it has 7 registered teams and no open spots? Kettering event #1 has 5 open spots so maybe they are waiting to see if a second event is needed?
Why does the Kettering event #2 say it has 7 registered teams and no open spots? Kettering event #1 has 5 open spots so maybe they are waiting to see if a second event is needed?
When I went to register at noon, it was already waitlisted. :(
Why does the Kettering event #2 say it has 7 registered teams and no open spots? Kettering event #1 has 5 open spots so maybe they are waiting to see if a second event is needed?
Kettering 2 is waitlisted because first in Michigan needs to make sure that teams from Kettering 1 have room to move to Kettering 2 because they need to be guaranteed their home event.
ATannahill
08-10-2015, 14:56
Maybe we could have a Kettering East and a Kettering West event with the field moved from one end of the rec to the other. /s
Team 5813 just registered for the UNH District Event. :)
~Daler
Maybe we could have a Kettering East and a Kettering West event with the field moved from one end of the rec to the other. /s
It's not that easy to move water.
Mark McLeod
13-10-2015, 18:43
2600 teams at 6:45pm today.
It's not that easy to move water.
Nonsense. Moving water is easy. The ocean does it, rivers do it, creeks do it, coolant pumps in cars do it, restaurants do it, single-celled lifeforms do it. The tricky bit is keeping building foundations and robot electrical systems intact while moving large quantities of water in a short period of time. ;->
Mark McLeod
16-10-2015, 17:43
Crossed the 2700 team mark.
Ginger Bread
16-10-2015, 18:01
So GA just moved to districts and we're guaranteed 2 events but 2 of the events are full and the other 2 are on the same weekend...
We are only registered for one event because of the situation described above.
Will we still get 2 events or are we stuck with 1?
Jon Stratis
16-10-2015, 19:16
So GA just moved to districts and we're guaranteed 2 events but 2 of the events are full and the other 2 are on the same weekend...
We are only registered for one event because of the situation described above.
Will we still get 2 events or are we stuck with 1?
I recommend contacting your local regional director (see http://www.usfirst.org/regional-contacts) - there may be spots held back at one or both of the other events. They can help you get in to one of them.
Ginger Bread
16-10-2015, 19:19
I recommend contacting your local regional director (see http://www.usfirst.org/regional-contacts) - there may be spots held back at one or both of the other events. They can help you get in to one of them.
Ok, thank you
Doug Frisk
16-10-2015, 20:22
Maybe, maybe not. I expect a lot of teams, particularly from southern MN, to go for Iowa as their second regional. But I suspect that there are enough teams in MN who want to do a second regional who haven't in the past that all 4 Minnesota regionals and Iowa will reach capacity.
I just checked on this. The two Minneapolis regionals each seem to have 1 spot held back and the Duluth regionals each have about 15 spots available. So there's not enough space in Minnesota for the 37 Minnesota teams that did two regionals last year though there is plenty of space left in Iowa.
I wonder how many of the 200+ Minnesota teams will try for 2 regionals this year.
So GA just moved to districts and we're guaranteed 2 events but 2 of the events are full and the other 2 are on the same weekend...
We are only registered for one event because of the situation described above.
Will we still get 2 events or are we stuck with 1?
There are reserved spots for the events. Contact your local Senior Mentor and they'll check where you are on the list and give you an idea of the likelihood of you making it into the event you are on the waitlist for.
I'm certain that the people in charge will do everything possible to ensure that all teams get two events.
Kingland093
17-10-2015, 12:19
I just checked on this. The two Minneapolis regionals each seem to have 1 spot held back and the Duluth regionals each have about 15 spots available. So there's not enough space in Minnesota for the 37 Minnesota teams that did two regionals last year though there is plenty of space left in Iowa.
I wonder how many of the 200+ Minnesota teams will try for 2 regionals this year.
We're trying for 2 this year and have already got into North Star. Are the Duluth spots reserved for rookies or are they going to be available come registration?
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Iowa is going to fill up pretty quickly
first3234
17-10-2015, 14:30
3234 will be at east Kentwood district and we are currently waitlisted for gull lake
Mark McLeod
20-10-2015, 08:37
Team 6000 is the Shalhevet School in Los Angeles, CA
Team 1708 will be attending the Pittsburgh Regional again this year along with one other one TBA! So excited for this years game.
The_ShamWOW88
20-10-2015, 10:07
Little random but I'm just going to say I'm impressed with the growth of teams internationally. Great to see it really become a worldwide program.
Mark McLeod
20-10-2015, 11:05
Here are the international scores.
19 countries heard from.
25---Australia
6----Brazil
186--Canada
2----Chile
31---China
1----Colombia
1----Czech Republic
2----Dominican Republic
1----Ecuador
1----Germany
40---Israel
39---Mexico
2----Netherlands
1----Poland
1----Singapore
1----Taiwan
10---Turkey
2----United Kingdom
2394-USA
djdaugherty
20-10-2015, 12:06
What happens to the wait lists when the 2nd registration opens Thursday? It's been a while since our team has attended more than one competition. The two sites we were considering have zero capacity now. Does that mean we should consider somewhere else, or will that capacity be increased for the 2nd round? If capacity is increased, do they pull from the existing wait list first?
Jon Stratis
20-10-2015, 12:40
What happens to the wait lists when the 2nd registration opens Thursday? It's been a while since our team has attended more than one competition. The two sites we were considering have zero capacity now. Does that mean we should consider somewhere else, or will that capacity be increased for the 2nd round? If capacity is increased, do they pull from the existing wait list first?
The waitlist is not strictly "first come, first served". The RD's prioritize teams that are rookies or first plays ahead of teams looking for a second play. There may be other considerations as well (local teams vs non-local, bringing a lot of volunteers, etc). That said, there is only one waitlist per event - if you go on it Thursday, you'll be behind everyone else already on it.
Your best bet is to look at the historical size for those two events - how many teams are usually at them?. That will give you an idea of how many teams will be pulled off the waitlist later to bring it up to full. Some events are actually already full, with no room to expand!. After that, look at the new color coding for the waitlist for the two events. As explained in the FRC blog, the color coding can give you an idea of how big the wait list currently is, versus the number of spots that will be available.
Lil' Lavery
20-10-2015, 12:58
Also keep in mind the new color coding system for the waitlist.
djdaugherty
20-10-2015, 15:49
Thank you very much - that helps a lot!
Christopher149
20-10-2015, 16:19
Michigan's Gull Lake event is going to be moving from week 2 to week 3 if it doesn't change venues (insert grumble about our home event also being week 3). This will leave Michigan with only 1 week 2 event 2 week 2 events (I forgot about Kettering #2).
Phoenix Spud
22-10-2015, 06:12
Welcome India - FRC Team 6024!
I first met R-Factor at the 2013 FLL API where they won the Champions Award. At the 2015 FTC API they won the Inspire Award and completely won the judge's hearts. And now they officially registered for the 2016 Sydney Regional.
They are the FIRST progression in action!
nuclearnerd
22-10-2015, 07:42
Apologies if this has been asked before:
In TIMS, will the registration link appear automatically at noon after logging in, or do you a) have to refresh the page yourself, or b) log in no earlier than noon? I ask because I expect the seconds to count today.
Apologies if this has been asked before:
In TIMS, will the registration link appear automatically at noon after logging in, or do you a) have to refresh the page yourself, or b) log in no earlier than noon? I ask because I expect the seconds to count today.
You can be logged in ready to go, but the page does not automatically refresh for you.
Good luck!
nuclearnerd
22-10-2015, 09:02
You can be logged in ready to go, but the page does not automatically refresh for you.
Good luck!
Thanks!
This Regional Availability site is great. http://173.255.246.196/2016/
Thank you to whoever wrote this code.
FIRST & RobotEvents should setup a similar page for all the competitions (FTC, FLL, VEX, VEXiq...)
Aren Siekmeier
22-10-2015, 11:54
With 1 minute remaining, somebody moves from Gull Lake to Troy ...
Aren Siekmeier
22-10-2015, 11:56
This Regional Availability site is great. http://173.255.246.196/2016/
Thank you to whoever wrote this code.
FIRST & RobotEvents should setup a similar page for all the competitions (FTC, FLL, VEX, VEXiq...)
No problem. Should be updating every minute starting now.
sanddrag
22-10-2015, 11:58
Within 30 seconds after opening, Ventura added 5 teams. Within 60 seconds, the 14 previously-available spots were filled.
waialua359
22-10-2015, 12:01
Within 30 seconds after opening, Ventura added 5 teams. Within 60 seconds, the 14 previously-available spots were filled.
We tried Tech Valley right when it opened.
Couldnt get in on the few remaining spots left.
Currently on waitlist...
Mark McLeod
22-10-2015, 12:05
358 is waitlisted for Tech Valley, too.
Aren Siekmeier
22-10-2015, 12:05
Alamo also full in the first 5 minutes.
Many events haven't increased their cap for the second round.
Iowa added 30 teams in 10 minutes.
Alamo also full in the first 5 minutes.
Many events haven't increased their cap for the second round.
Iowa added 30 teams in 10 minutes.
GTR East filled up in a matter of seconds/minutes as well.
Mark McLeod
22-10-2015, 12:12
Of the remaining open Regionals...
By
1 minute - 7 events filled
2 minutes - 9 events filled
3 minutes - 11 events were filled
No other fillings occurred in the following 15 minutes.
The Regionals in no particular order were:
Greater Toronto East Regional
Alamo Regional
Central Illinois Regional
New York Tech Valley Regional
Sacramento Regional
Ventura Regional
Finger Lakes Regional
Oklahoma Regional
Dallas Regional
Orange County Regional
Smoky Mountains RegionalIf you are still looking for a 2nd Regional event then these are the open options and your best bet:
Open slots/Event
27 Arkansas Rock City Regional
27 Idaho Regional
27 Lone Star Regional
23 Hub City Regional
22 Western Canada Regional
19 Utah Regional
18 Las Vegas Regional
16 Arizona North Regional
14 Queen City Regional
13 Wisconsin Regional
11 Iowa Regional
11 South Florida Regional
10 Buckeye Regional
10 Hawaii Regional
8 Palmetto Regional
8 Central Valley Regional
8 Israel Regional - see Site Info for additional information
8 North Bay Regional
6 Rocket City Regional
6 Windsor Essex Great Lakes Regional
5 Colorado Regional
3 Mexico City Regional
3 Australia Regional
2 Bayou Regional
Travis Hoffman
22-10-2015, 12:53
We tried Tech Valley right when it opened.
Couldnt get in on the few remaining spots left.
Currently on waitlist...
Hopefully we'll see you there. :)
Jimmy Nichols
22-10-2015, 13:21
We tried Tech Valley right when it opened.
Couldnt get in on the few remaining spots left.
Currently on waitlist...
Sounds like the perfect time to make that trip to the Queen City.
edit: If you decided to not attend your home event this year. I second what Dave says two posts down.
We tried Tech Valley right when it opened.
Couldnt get in on the few remaining spots left.
Currently on waitlist...
Tech Valley had 36 teams last year. I suspect they will have as many teams this year event though I think they should only do 30 teams.
Dave Campbell
22-10-2015, 13:46
Sounds like the perfect time to make that trip to the Queen City.
Glenn - Why don't our planning committees talk in the summer so our events aren't on the same weekend? We could work out a "team exchange" event you all attend Queen City and we can attend Hawai'i!
Andy Baker
22-10-2015, 13:49
In my limited time to read ChiefDelphi these days, this is the thread I am most interested in reading. Many thanks to Mark McLeod and all who post good information here.
No problem. Should be updating every minute starting now.
Aren, are you the person who made the code for this page: http://173.255.246.196/2016/?
I agree with Andrew, this is excellent! Thank you for coordinating this. I do have one request: please add another column of event dates next to each event.
Sincerely,
Andy Baker
Aren, are you the person who made the code for this page: http://173.255.246.196/2016/?
I agree with Andrew, this is excellent! Thank you for coordinating this. I do have one request: please add another column of event dates next to each event.
If we're making requests, I'd love it if the event name included a link to the list of registered teams, provided that it's simple for you to do.
Let me second Andy's thoughts; this page is a great resource. Thanks for putting it together.
Aren Siekmeier
22-10-2015, 16:22
I agree with Andrew, this is excellent! Thank you for coordinating this. I do have one request: please add another column of event dates next to each event.
If we're making requests, I'd love it if the event name included a link to the list of registered teams, provided that it's simple for you to do.
Let me second Andy's thoughts; this page is a great resource. Thanks for putting it together.
Done and done.
Thanks for the remarks!
Mark McLeod
23-10-2015, 15:46
2800 Teams around noon today.
Closing in on last year's total of 2892.
All 7 CA events are "full".
Zebra_Fact_Man
23-10-2015, 21:30
FYI: I didn't see it posted anywhere here, but it's officially listed on my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso, Gull Lake has switched weekends from Week 2 to Week 3.
tr6scott
28-10-2015, 09:51
FYI: I didn't see it posted anywhere here, but it's officially listed on my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso, Gull Lake has switched weekends from Week 2 to Week 3.
I saw that, but wonder if Gull Lake is just being cancelled, as it also show zero teams registered, and zero capacity.
(Edit based on team count they still need 19 districts of 40 teams)
burde1jb
28-10-2015, 10:42
Howdy! To clarify any confusion, the Gull Lake event is only changing venue. The event will be during Week 2 over March 10th, 11th and 12th.
The event is now identified as the Lakeview Event. The new venue is Lakeview High School, which is only about 15 miles down the road in Battle Creek. As co-host of this event, I am excited to invite all of you to a fantastic venue. We (4327) are co-hosting with the Gull Lake team (4381) who did a great job hosting these past several years.
TL;DR Gull Lake event now Lakeview event in Battle Creek. Still Week 2. Carry on.
Mark McLeod
28-10-2015, 17:26
We have passed the total number of teams that played last season (2892) at around 3:30pm today.
sciencenuetzel
28-10-2015, 17:33
So I see that most district events get initially capped at 30 and they save space for rookies and then it becomes a wait list.
My question is how many teams do they allow total? Is it different based on the venue?
Mark McLeod
28-10-2015, 17:54
Typically, District events shoot for 40 teams.
It's a number that evenly divides by 12 matches per team and generally fits into the smaller venues used.
40 teams * 12 matches per team /6 teams playing per match = 80 match event
80 Qual matches ~= 9.5 hours of play.
Some venues might be smaller, because they may not have enough space for spectators or pits.
Events can always add that extra rookie or veteran to accommodate special circumstances.
You can see last year's district event totals here (http://173.255.246.196/2015/).
Christopher149
28-10-2015, 18:56
Typically, District events shoot for 40 teams.
It's a number that evenly divides by 12 matches per team and generally fits into the smaller venues used.
40 teams * 12 matches per team /6 teams playing per match = 80 match event
80 Qual matches ~= 9.5 hours of play.
Some venues might be smaller, because they may not have enough space for spectators or pits.
Events can always add that extra rookie or veteran to accommodate special circumstances.
You can see last year's district event totals here (http://173.255.246.196/2015/).
The list of teams in Michigan indicates there are 396 teams with a permanent number (which I think means that many are signed up for an event) and 25 with a temporary number. So, where is event #20 going to be?
396 teams * 2 plays / (40 teams/event) = 19.8 events.
So I see that most district events get initially capped at 30 and they save space for rookies and then it becomes a wait list.
My question is how many teams do they allow total? Is it different based on the venue?
It all depends on the district and sometimes the event. For example this year the PNW events are 36 teams while last season is was 32 teams. Other areas have 40 team events. This year the PNW only reserved 4 spots but other areas reserved up to 10 spots.
Note this season there will only be 9 PNW events while last year there were 10. Many of the venues were selected on the basis of being able to accommodate 40 teams.
GaryVoshol
28-10-2015, 20:22
Typically, District events shoot for 40 teams.
It's a number that evenly divides by 12 matches per team and generally fits into the smaller venues used.
40 teams * 12 matches per team /6 teams playing per match = 80 match event
80 Qual matches ~= 9.5 hours of play.
The math is even easier than that.
12 matches per team / 6 teams per match = 2
So the number of matches is twice the number of teams, no matter how many teams there are. And never any surrogates.
Mark McLeod
29-10-2015, 07:55
2900 teams
The list of teams in Michigan indicates there are 396 teams with a permanent number (which I think means that many are signed up for an event) and 25 with a temporary number. So, where is event #20 going to be?
396 teams * 2 plays / (40 teams/event) = 19.8 events.
And assuming all of those temporary numbers become actual teams, Michigan will actually need 21 (maybe even 22) events. If my math is correct.
Mark McLeod
29-10-2015, 12:41
Michigan currently has 363 teams registered for event(s).
So right now it requires 19 events and has room for only 17 more teams.
Last season Michigan ended with 345 teams.
At this time last year Michigan had 326 teams registered.
So, 19 more teams or not quite 6%.
If growth from this point in time were the same as last year, that would produce ~385 teams needing 20 events to house (plus room for 15 additional teams on top of that).
Zebra_Fact_Man
29-10-2015, 21:39
Fun fact about 2016 FiM teams:
over half of all FiM FRC teams have existed less than 4 years. Yep, more than 50% of current FiM did not exist when this year's seniors were freshmen (currently 185+).
Fun fact about 2016 FiM teams:
over half of all FiM FRC teams have existed less than 4 years. Yep, more than 50% of current FiM did not exist when this year's seniors were freshmen (currently 185+).
And I thought there were a lot of teams when I left...
Mark McLeod
30-10-2015, 09:27
For comparison, for all of FRC ~40% of teams are less than 4 years old.
logank013
30-10-2015, 13:34
What if registration was more like a draft? This would probably never happen but, it does have some advantages. Please note that the event setting in my analogy aren't real. They just work for the analogy. Say Team A is in KY and Team B is in WV. Team A signed up for their first event in OH during week 2 and Team B signed up for their first event in NC in week 4. Due to the slowness of both teams, the top events on their "Second Event" list are filled up. Team A Notices a not filled event in week 2 in MO but they can't go to 2 events in the same week. Team B notices a not filled event in week 4 that is in PA but they can't go to 2 events in the same week either. So Team A calls up Team be and they decide they want to trade the first event they've signed up for. So team A takes Team B's event in week 4 in NC and signs up for the event they could do in week 2 in MO. Team B takes Team A's event in week 2 in OH and signs up for the other event in week 4 that they could attend. Make Sense?
If you want to play that shell game with 3,000 teams, go for it.
If you want to play that shell game with 3,000 teams, go for it.
Aye. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Regional Directors in question were able to work something out, BUT it'd probably be an "interesting" discussion to put it mildly.
"Shell game" might not be a fun method, but it's definitely realistic to have teams submit a ranked list of picks for each round and let an algorithm sort most of them out. Using geographical distances and team preference rankings, a cleverly designed algorithm could take care of most of the placements in each round, and the regional directors could use human judgment to sort out the rest just like they do now.
orangemoore
30-10-2015, 22:12
Do we have a chance at hitting 3000 teams this year?
"Shell game" might not be a fun method, but it's definitely realistic to have teams submit a ranked list of picks for each round and let an algorithm sort most of them out. Using geographical distances and team preference rankings, a cleverly designed algorithm could take care of most of the placements in each round, and the regional directors could use human judgment to sort out the rest just like they do now.
I was thinking of something similar, but along the lines of all teams declaring a home regional (or having it assigned by geography or past regional attendance history, if no declaration was made), and their first event would be their home regional unless they specifically opted to NOT register for their home event in the first round--and the assignments for that could be done just prior to registration opening, just so everybody--particularly RDs--could see what would fill up. When one of the biggest regionals in FRC is the third event to fill by a matter of minutes, something needs to happen...
And then for second round, open registration for any regional. But if a team landed on the waitlist for their designated home regional, then that would be a trigger to the RD in question to contact the team/move them up the waitlist/otherwise pull strings.
Zebra_Fact_Man
31-10-2015, 09:33
Do we have a chance at hitting 3000 teams this year?
Yes. As of when I'm typing this, there are 2957 teams. MI still has 22 pre-rookie teams in queue according to this (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vBrPH0Idp_-4y1h2YvtBwkN3czDOdFEp3QukhFsgqgU/edit#gid=1294191511). That leaves the rest of the world to cover only 21 teams. Seems manageable.
Michael Corsetto
31-10-2015, 11:01
Yes. As of when I'm typing this, there are 2957 teams. MI still has 22 pre-rookie teams in queue according to this (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vBrPH0Idp_-4y1h2YvtBwkN3czDOdFEp3QukhFsgqgU/edit#gid=1294191511). That leaves the rest of the world to cover only 21 teams. Seems manageable.
Once again, Michigan doing all the heavy lifting in the USA. Way to go guys, you make FIRST awesome.
-Mike
Doug Frisk
31-10-2015, 12:04
Yes. As of when I'm typing this, there are 2957 teams. MI still has 22 pre-rookie teams in queue according to this (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vBrPH0Idp_-4y1h2YvtBwkN3czDOdFEp3QukhFsgqgU/edit#gid=1294191511). That leaves the rest of the world to cover only 21 teams. Seems manageable.
Pretty sure Minnesota has that covered, and then some.
Kingland093
31-10-2015, 18:44
Pretty sure Minnesota has that covered, and then some.
Do we still have a lot of teams that haven't signed up yet? All of our events are on waitlist
Doug Frisk
31-10-2015, 19:02
Do we still have a lot of teams that haven't signed up yet? All of our events are on waitlist
Sure looks that way. http://www.usfirst.org/whats-going-on/teams?ProgramCode=FRC&Season=2016&Country=USA&StateProv=MN&ZipCode=&Radius=&op=Search&form_build_id=form-p8KcvoqhBhxErT9hAYRQ6kbg2hVw6eM5GG9yLvxk5cc&form_id=first_search_teams_form&sort=desc&order=Team%20Number
Now, if all those teams actually register for an event is an open question, but I count 26 new teams in MN that have yet to register.
ehochstein
31-10-2015, 20:00
Sure looks that way. http://www.usfirst.org/whats-going-on/teams?ProgramCode=FRC&Season=2016&Country=USA&StateProv=MN&ZipCode=&Radius=&op=Search&form_build_id=form-p8KcvoqhBhxErT9hAYRQ6kbg2hVw6eM5GG9yLvxk5cc&form_id=first_search_teams_form&sort=desc&order=Team%20Number
Now, if all those teams actually register for an event is an open question, but I count 26 new teams in MN that have yet to register.
The majority of those are 'ghost teams' I would only assume that the ones that already have a name will compete this year (if we're lucky). The rest are usually someone figuring out TIMS for the first time.
Aren Siekmeier
01-11-2015, 04:09
The majority of those are 'ghost teams' I would only assume that the ones that already have a name will compete this year (if we're lucky). The rest are usually someone figuring out TIMS for the first time.
There are 47 teams on that MN list that are not registered for an event, 26 of which have no number, 5 of which have a name and location listed. Add to those 5 a good chunk of the 8 teams from 2015 who don't have an event yet (all registered in TIMS for 2016), as well as some of the 13 other teams with no event (returners who didn't compete last year and have registered in TIMS for 2016), and that could fill out the ~20 teams needed to hit 3k. And that's just MN, I'm sure other regions will bring a lot to the table too. In all, there are almost 500 teams in US (plus more internationally I'm sure) who are registered on TIMS but have no event yet.
2960 teams now.
The majority of those are 'ghost teams' I would only assume that the ones that already have a name will compete this year (if we're lucky). The rest are usually someone figuring out TIMS for the first time.
Yup, lots of people who are trying to register FLL teams seem to register in the FRC system, every year I see 4 or 5 of those who were trying to register FLL in WA.
Christopher149
01-11-2015, 16:13
Yup, lots of people who are trying to register FLL teams seem to register in the FRC system, every year I see 4 or 5 of those who were trying to register FLL in WA.
And I've seen at least two schools attempt to register FTC teams through FRC this year in Michigan.
Jon Stratis
01-11-2015, 23:38
Sure looks that way. http://www.usfirst.org/whats-going-on/teams?ProgramCode=FRC&Season=2016&Country=USA&StateProv=MN&ZipCode=&Radius=&op=Search&form_build_id=form-p8KcvoqhBhxErT9hAYRQ6kbg2hVw6eM5GG9yLvxk5cc&form_id=first_search_teams_form&sort=desc&order=Team%20Number
Now, if all those teams actually register for an event is an open question, but I count 26 new teams in MN that have yet to register.
I can tell you that a lot of those aren't going to convert to teams. Unfortunately, the registration process has a couple of holes you can fall into when clicking through the screens, and I know for certain that some of our teams fell into them and started fresh a time or two before getting it right. Each of those "attempts" would show up as a team without a number.
Mark McLeod
03-11-2015, 09:54
3000 teams
Aren Siekmeier
03-11-2015, 10:13
Michigan over 400 :ahh:
Michigan over 400 :ahh:
So it would appear Michigan will have to add that 20th event.
notmattlythgoe
03-11-2015, 10:39
So it would appear Michigan will have to add that 20th event.
Has anybody run into this issue before? Going over capacity after registrations are pretty much finished?
So it would appear Michigan will have to add that 20th event.
It's my understanding that Gail has simply been waiting until sufficient teams register before confirming the addition of more events (with the necessary details like date, venue, etc., having already been worked out for the events). I know there's at least one event that's just waiting for an OK.
Allison K
03-11-2015, 10:42
Has anybody run into this issue before? Going over capacity after registrations are pretty much finished?
Michigan has added events late in the season the past three or four years in a row. I think in 2012 Bedford didn't show up until after kickoff actually. I assume it's as Basal mentioned above, details start getting worked out ahead of teams actually registering and then the events get officially added as they are needed.
It's my understanding that Gail has simply been waiting until sufficient teams register before confirming the addition of more events (with the necessary details like date, venue, etc., having already been worked out for the events). I know there's at least one event that's just waiting for an OK.
That's what I figured, as that seems to have been the practice in the past. I'm not worried about them having one lined up, it's more just my curiosity as to where it will be.
first3234
03-11-2015, 11:50
I think if they add another district to Michigan it will be on the west side of the state then the east side of the state just because of how many district competitions there are over on the east end of the state that's my guess
logank013
03-11-2015, 13:05
I think if they add another district to Michigan it will be on the west side of the state then the east side of the state just because of how many district competitions there are over on the east end of the state that's my guess
I've never heard of Michigan going to 2 districts but that isn't a bad idea. There are some drawbacks however. But has splitting Michigan into 2 districts been brought up before? I'm curious how the geographical split would split the powerhouse teams in Michigan.
notmattlythgoe
03-11-2015, 13:07
I've never heard of Michigan going to 2 districts but that isn't a bad idea. There are some drawbacks however. But has splitting Michigan into 2 districts been brought up before? I'm curious how the geographical split would split the powerhouse teams in Michigan.
Think they're talking about adding another event, not a whole new district.
logank013
03-11-2015, 13:08
Think he's talking about adding another event, not a whole new district.
Yep. Your right. Sorry for the misread but 2 Michigan districts would be interesting.
Christopher149
03-11-2015, 13:56
#splitchigan
I would not be surprised by a split MSC.
We know in 2015 that percentage-wise, Michigan would send ~70 teams to CMP, and MSC was 102 teams. Coming 2017 with SplitCMP, number of CMP teams will go from 600 to 800, so a 33% increase there means Michigan sends 93 teams (assuming constant ratio, but Michigan is still increasing fast).
So, maybe MSC West in the DeltaPlex and MSC East at EMU, about 60 teams each? Or put MSC in Cobo.
Richard Wallace
03-11-2015, 15:31
Michigan over 400 :ahh:So proportionally, Michigan will have 80 teams at CMP. Ten per division. Game announcers will be saying "and from <locality> Michigan, Team <nnnn>" before more matches than not. Maybe they'll make a special announcement when a match does not feature a Michigan team. :rolleyes:
Nyxyxylyth
04-11-2015, 08:53
I would not be surprised by a split MSC.
We know in 2015 that percentage-wise, Michigan would send ~70 teams to CMP, and MSC was 102 teams. Coming 2017 with SplitCMP, number of CMP teams will go from 600 to 800, so a 33% increase there means Michigan sends 93 teams (assuming constant ratio, but Michigan is still increasing fast).
So, maybe MSC West in the DeltaPlex and MSC East at EMU, about 60 teams each? Or put MSC in Cobo.
Splitting it would be nicer than another looooong day with octofinals.
Kevin Leonard
04-11-2015, 09:29
#2Chigan
#2Mich?
Its actually not a bad idea. But only once real inter-district play is in place. I'd hate to have teams that are friends from opposite peninsulas not getting to see each other anymore.
Christopher149
04-11-2015, 09:51
#2Mich?
Its actually not a bad idea. But only once real inter-district play is in place. I'd hate to have teams that are friends from opposite peninsulas not getting to see each other anymore.
It'd be more like friends from Detroit / Not-Detroit not getting to see each other anymore. In 2016, there's only like 28 teams in the Upper Peninsula, and about 400 in the Lower Peninsula.
Jimmy Nichols
04-11-2015, 10:35
I'd hate to have teams that are friends from opposite peninsulas not getting to see each other anymore.
Districts in general have caused that to happen for us traditional regional teams.
logank013
04-11-2015, 11:09
#2Mich?
Its actually not a bad idea. But only once real inter-district play is in place. I'd hate to have teams that are friends from opposite peninsulas not getting to see each other anymore.
Isn't this what happens every time you make a district? The team I'm on in Indiana now never sees teams from our surrounding state like we used to.
Mark McLeod
04-11-2015, 11:14
Looking at rookie growth in areas that don't have many teams.
The attached chart emphasizes the rookie vs veteran team ratio (as of today's registration).
# rookies / # veterans / % growth / Country
------ 2 -------- 1 ----- 200.0% ----- Colombia
----- 17 ------ 15 ----- 113.3% ----- China
------ 1 -------- 1 ----- 100.0% ----- Taiwan
------ 8 -------- 8 ----- 100.0% ----- Turkey
----- 13 ------ 18 ------ 72.2% ------ Australia
------ 1 -------- 2 ------ 50.0% ------ Netherlands
----- 14 ------ 33 ------ 42.4% ------ Mexico
------ 1 -------- 5 ------ 20.0% ------ Brazil
----- 28 ----- 178 ------ 15.7% ----- Canada
------ 7 ------- 50 ------ 14.0% ----- Israel
---- 238 --- 2356 ------ 10.1% ----- USA
------ 1 -------- 0 ----- 100.0% ----- CzechRepublic
------ 1 -------- 0 ----- 100.0% ----- Ecuador
------ 1 -------- 0 ----- 100.0% ----- India
------ 1 -------- 0 ----- 100.0% ----- Poland
Here is a larger breakdown by state and country:
# rookies / # veterans / % / State-Country
----- 2 ------ 1 ----- 200.0% ---- Colombia
---- 17 ---- 15 ----- 113.3% ---- China
----- 1 ------ 0 ----- 100.0% ---- Canada-BC
----- 1 ------ 0 ----- 100.0% ---- CzechRepublic
----- 1 ------ 0 ----- 100.0% ---- Ecuador
----- 1 ------ 0 ----- 100.0% ---- India
----- 1 ------ 0 ----- 100.0% ---- NE
----- 1 ------ 0 ----- 100.0% ---- Poland
----- 1 ------ 1 ----- 100.0% ---- Taiwan
----- 8 ------ 8 ----- 100.0% ---- Turkey
---- 13 ---- 18 ------ 72.2% ----- Australia
----- 1 ------ 2 ------ 50.0% ----- Netherlands
----- 3 ------ 7 ------ 42.9% ----- AL
---- 14 ---- 33 ------ 42.4% ----- Mexico
----- 1 ------ 3 ------ 33.3% ----- DE
----- 7 ---- 22 ------ 31.8% ----- LA
----- 2 ------ 8 ------ 25.0% ----- IA
----- 1 ------ 5 ------ 20.0% ----- Brazil
----- 1 ------ 5 ------ 20.0% ----- RI
---- 66 -- 341 ------ 19.4% ----- MI
----- 3 ---- 16 ------ 18.8% ----- Canada-AB
----- 2 ---- 11 ------ 18.2% ----- ID
----- 6 ---- 39 ------ 15.4% ----- Canada-QC
---- 18 -- 122 ------ 14.8% ----- Canada-ON
----- 2 ---- 14 ------ 14.3% ----- AR
----- 5 ---- 35 ------ 14.3% ----- MD
---- 15 -- 105 ------ 14.3% ----- TX
----- 7 ---- 50 ------ 14.0% ----- Israel
----- 6 ---- 45 ------ 13.3% ----- OH
----- 6 ---- 46 ------ 13.0% ----- NC
---- 29 -- 227 ------ 12.8% ----- CA
----- 1 ------ 8 ------ 12.5% ----- MS
----- 2 ---- 16 ------ 12.5% ----- UT
----- 7 ---- 62 ------ 11.3% ----- FL
----- 1 ------ 9 ------ 11.1% ----- NV
----- 6 ---- 57 ------ 10.5% ----- GA
----- 4 ---- 39 ------ 10.3% ----- OR
----- 4 ---- 40 ------ 10.0% ----- WI
----- 6 ---- 65 ------- 9.2% ----- MO
----- 9 --- 105 ------- 8.6% ----- WA
----- 4 ---- 47 ------- 8.5% ----- OK
----- 6 ---- 72 ------- 8.3% ----- VA
----- 4 ---- 62 ------- 6.5% ----- MA
---- 12 -- 186 ------- 6.5% ----- MN
----- 2 ---- 31 ------- 6.5% ----- NH
----- 3 ---- 47 ------- 6.4% ----- IN
----- 4 ---- 66 ------- 6.1% ----- NJ
----- 3 ---- 56 ------- 5.4% ----- IL
----- 1 ---- 20 ------- 5.0% ----- KS
----- 7 -- 140 ------- 5.0% ----- NY
----- 2 ---- 45 ------- 4.4% ----- AZ
----- 1 ---- 31 ------- 3.2% ----- TN
----- 1 ---- 36 ------- 2.8% ----- CO
----- 1 ---- 39 ------- 2.6% ----- SC
----- 1 ---- 46 ------- 2.2% ----- CT
tindleroot
04-11-2015, 11:25
Isn't this what happens every time you make a district? The team I'm on in Indiana now never sees teams from our surrounding state like we used to.
Michigan has been in districts since '09 and many teams have gotten very close over those years. Separation might be necessary soon, but it will be sad for many of those Michigan teams who will stop competing together.
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