9328490238209

[mrnoble]

What's up with this number? I'm sure you've seen the tweet from @FIRSTweets.

[Hallry]

I'm sure you've seen the tweet from @FIRSTweets.

Haven't. Link?

[JohnFogarty]

https://twitter.com/FIRSTweets/status/682593231369060352

With #2016Kickoff around the corner, let's re-watch the #FIRSTSTRONGHOLD teaser another 9328490238209 times, OK? OK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVLdJdoKK2E …

[DohertyBilly]

It's a twitter post. It's not a hint.
Ironically, this was the spotlight quote when I opened this thread...

[Jaci]

If it is a hint, be prepared to change all your code from Integers to Longs ;)

9328490238209 > 2^31

[mastachyra]

Watching the video that many times would take almost 18 million years. so you know what that means? Me neither.

[Green Potato]

Tried multiplying it by 57 (57 second runtime), and got this number:
531723943577913. From what I can tell so far, neither number has any real significance, although I'm still going to try and pry meaning out of it.

EDIT: The tweet did say "rewatch," so we may be working with 9328490238210

[tindleroot]

EDIT: The tweet did say "rewatch," so we may be working with 9328490238210

I believe this wording was used since we all watched it upon the original release.

[Anthony Galea]

I'm just gonna say it plain and simple. It isn't a game hint. And even if it is, we have 7 days until kickoff. Don't worry guys, your FRC hiatus will be over soon.

[MrForbes]

the number is code for "a really big number".

[mrnoble]

Oh, I think it's probably a clue. In the same way that "moonfish" was a clue for Lunacy. Useless, a waste of time, gives away nothing, sends you down a rabbit hole. Still, seems like the kind of clue we've gotten in the past. And I agree that we should just wait to see in a week.

[the_42nd_parado]

What if its the exact number of molecule allowed on any one robot? No more, no less.

[euhlmann]

9328490238209.

9 - 3 - 2 - 8 - 4 - 9 - 0 - 2 - 3 - 8 - 2 - 0 - 9 is -41
4+1 is 5
water has 5 letters
water game confirmed

[GeeTwo]

It has two prime factors: 1551037 and 6014357. They're both (US, within area code) phone-number length, though neither could have been a 7-digit phone number until recently, due to the leading 1 in one case and the middle 0 in the other.

Edit: Looking at the factors upside-down gives:
LEOSSI and LSEhI0g. Nothing here....

Edit2: A 21-bit and a 23-bit number aren't big enough to be a decent public/private key pair. No, I don't believe that, but I may try it out.

[dardeshna]

It has two prime factors: 1551037 and 6014357. They're both (US, within area code) phone-number length, though neither could have been a 7-digit phone number until recently, due to the leading 1 in one case and the middle 0 in the other.

Edit: Looking at the factors upside-down gives:
LEOSSI and LSEhI0g. Nothing here....

Edit2: A 21-bit and a 23-bit number aren't big enough to be a decent public/private key pair. No, I don't believe that, but I may try it out.

Our head coach suggested looking at patents
http://www.google.com/patents/US6014357
http://www.google.com/patents/US1551037

Also a quick google search
https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=1551037&library=usen&tab=1

[Hallry]

When is a Game Hint not a Game Hint?

There are probably a few good answers to this question, including:

1. When it’s not preceded by words equivalent to “This is a game hint”

Answer number one I think many of you are familiar with, as we’ve said something along those lines several times in this blog.


Source: http://archive.firstinspires.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-when-is-a-game-hint-not-a-game-hint

[GeeTwo]

Our head coach suggested looking at patents
http://www.google.com/patents/US6014357
http://www.google.com/patents/US1551037
A motion picture projector, and an incredibly redundant description of a holder for a disc in a carriage? We need to build a DVD jukebox! Sky High must be one of the disks to be included, to include the Stronghold reference! Yes! Yes! No, I'm not feelin' it.
Edit: When is a Game Hint not a Game Hint?
Sacrilege! Everything that comes from FIRST or FIRST-connected individuals between Christmas and kickoff is a Game Hint! Burn the infidel!;)

[Anthony4004]

Source: http://archive.firstinspires.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-when-is-a-game-hint-not-a-game-hint

After being asked via twitter "Is 9328490238209 a game hint?", @FIRSTtweets responded with "I don't know...is it? :)"

In the sake of being excited for kickoff, I want to believe it is a game hint.

[MrForbes]

We have a tendency to make anything a game hint...it's all fun....

Someone already related it to water, so the rest is gravy

[GeeTwo]

We have a tendency to make anything a game hint...it's all fun....

Someone already related it to water, so the rest is gravy

Well, we'd need a bit of stock, and some flour or starch or arrowroot to thicken it to make gravy.

[MrMARVINMan]

This number (9328490238209) when converted from hexadecimal to text, becomes 39 33 32 38 34 39 30 32 33 38 32 30 39. When these numbers are plugged into in ASCII table, they become these characters: ‘! &”’RS !& RS’. Why does this matter? When this is googled, the search comes up with a few things about remote sensing. Remote sensing, if you don’t know, is the scanning of the earth by satellite or high-flying aircraft in order to obtain information about it. Why is this relevant? Two reasons:

1. The day FIRST released this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKLxlVIapRU) , AndyMark released this mysterious video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZfGMUkVDSA) .
2. Today, AndyMark tweeted a little GIF (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzpEpykkiPQhNW95clYxVXN1bkU/view?usp=sharing) that was retweeted by FIRST. What do the two videos from AndyMark have in common? Treads.

What do treads and remote sensing have to do with an FRC game? Remote sensing = images of terrain. Treads = meant for traversing rough terrain. AndyMark is now selling “Rhino Track Modules (http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-3322.htm)” .These modules are perfectly priced for FRC and are being released just days before the season begins. If it isn’t obvious by this point, it should be obvious now. The field will be different this year (the 24th anniversary of Maize Craze). Our robots must traverse rough terrain to accomplish the assigned task (but that’s a theory for another day).

Plus, we’re going to war, right? A deciding factor in any battle is the terrain upon which it is fought.:cool:

[sanddrag]

Okay, here's what I have. I believe the logo that appears several times in the FRC Stronghold teaser video is a re-styled Welsh Dragon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Dragon), which happens to be the symbol of the Football Association of Wales (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Association_of_Wales). (Note, they refer to football in the sense of what we Americans call "soccer").

Furthermore, I took the first 7 digits of the number clue to be the IP address of 93.28.49.0 which traces to the town of Dunkirk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk), France. See anything familiar on their coat of arms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk#/media/File:Greater_Coat_of_Arms_of_Dunkerque.svg)? Also, from this town is a football player by the name of Robert Malm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Malm), who played in the 2006 World Cup.

Dunkirk had an interesting history through the Middle Ages, including the construction of a town wall to protect against viking raids. In the late 13th century, the citizens of Dunkirk fought in the Battle of the Golden Spurs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Golden_Spurs), after which Guy, Count of Flanders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy,_Count_of_Flanders) gained "de facto autonomy." Additionally, the Flemish townspeople laid siege upon a castle during the battle. A map of the battle area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Golden_Spurs#/media/File:Srazhenie_pri_Kurtre.jpeg) shows similarities to scenes in the Stronghold video, including flags atop tents.

So, what do I gather from all this? Some teams will construct a wall. Others will knock it down by shooting footballs (of the American variety, because the Security Breach video said we've never seen this game piece before) at it, and autonomous mode will be different, possibly at the end. Or, if the game piece is not an American style football, it will be the JW Hol-ee Roller (http://www.petsmart.com/dog/toys/jw-pet-hol-ee-roller-dog-toy-color-varies--zid36-10354/cat-36-catid-100118), because that looks more like a soccer ball, and fits more closely with the more global style of "football" and is offered through multiple outlets in red and blue, and is durable. In fact, I think that is more likely. It was previously suggested as a game piece in this post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=525058#post525058) in 2006.

EDIT: And wouldn't ya know it, the Hol-ee Roller comes in a football shape too. Here's your game piece (http://www.amazon.com/JW-Pet-Company-Hol-ee-Football/dp/B0002DJX9Y) guys.

sanddrag has spoken.

[Munchskull]

A deciding factor in any battle is the terrain upon which it is fought.:cool:

I am going to pretend that is not rough terrain just so that my anxiety does not flair up over then next six days.:ahh:

[PayneTrain]

9328490238209

Projected total of brain cells dying in vain trying to make non-game-hints game hints.

[jds2001]

The tread thing has some credence - I wouldn't be surprised if the KOP kit has treads this year because of the AndyMark video, and the blog post (http://archive.firstinspires.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-kop-drive-system-opt-out) that states that the KOP chassis can execute "basic game play".

Can you believe this thing is 6 days away?!?!?! Can't wait!

EDIT: From the blog post: "If we revealed details such as ground clearance, we would be giving away too much of the game.". Almost proof that there's obstacles on the field. Also, if you follow FTC, keep in mind this year's game (not that it has anything to do with FRC, but it has randomly distributed obstacles)

[carpedav000]

9328490238209.

9 - 3 - 2 - 8 - 4 - 9 - 0 - 2 - 3 - 8 - 2 - 0 - 9 is -41
4+1 is 5
water has 5 letters
water game confirmed

Or:
(insert equation stated above here)
5
2005
Tetras were the game piece in 2005
The field will be made of tetras! :cool:

[MrForbes]

EDIT: And wouldn't ya know it, the Hol-ee Roller comes in a football shape too.

yay, we finally get a football!

[Nick Lawrence]

The tread thing has some credence - I wouldn't be surprised if the KOP kit has treads this year because of the AndyMark video, and the blog post (http://archive.firstinspires.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-kop-drive-system-opt-out) that states that the KOP chassis can execute "basic game play".

Can you believe this thing is 6 days away?!?!?! Can't wait!

EDIT: From the blog post: "If we revealed details such as ground clearance, we would be giving away too much of the game.". Almost proof that there's obstacles on the field. Also, if you follow FTC, keep in mind this year's game (not that it has anything to do with FRC, but it has randomly distributed obstacles)

I believe the profile drawings of the sheet metal components of the AM14U3 may be of interest to you.

http://archive.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-KOP-Drive-System-Opt-Out

-Nick

[maxnz]

AndyMark released this mysterious video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZfGMUkVDSA) .

AndyMark is now selling “Rhino Track Modules (http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-3322.htm)” .

The field will be different this year (the 24th anniversary of Maize Craze). Our robots must traverse rough terrain to accomplish the assigned task (but that’s a theory for another day).


If you assume that the drivetrain in the video is new for this year, then the clearance is only a few inches. Yet it does have the angled tread in front.

[mrnoble]

I believe the profile drawings of the sheet metal components of the AM14U3 may be of interest to you.

http://archive.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-KOP-Drive-System-Opt-Out

-Nick

Meaning, they are roughly the same as last year's? I agree. Whatever we are playing with and on, it will be within the capabilities of the average rookie team, and can be done with... Wheels.

[Marshingjay]

9+3+2+8+4+9+0+2+3+8+2+0+9 = 59

Psalms 59:1 Deliver me from my enemies, O God;
be my fortress against those who are attacking me.

fortress

stronghold

significance?

[Gregor]

significance?

no

[mrnoble]

New game: door-to-door evangelism

[Electronica1]

While I am pretty sure this isn't a hint, if you look up the number before and after the center zero you get dark pink (http://www.colorhexa.com/932849) and dark lime green (http://www.colorhexa.com/238209). The only time in FRC I remember those colors is the vision targets in 2009. (if this was a hint, that could mean we will have 2009 style mobile goals with blue and red flags on top)

[tindleroot]

New game: dock-to-dock evangelism

FTFY

[gegozi]

Its the sum of all the askii codes of all the characters in the encryption password possibly...
or some other mathematical equation...

[GeeTwo]

This number (9328490238209) when converted from hexadecimal to text, becomes 39 33 32 38 34 39 30 32 33 38 32 30 39. When these numbers are plugged into in ASCII table, they become these characters: ‘! &”’RS !& RS’.

I'm not certain what 'converted from hexadecimal to text' means if this is the answer. I can get a lot of different answers, but that one isn't among them. Also, the character translation isn't square. In decimal, where 39 is an apostrophe (not a single open or close quote), R and S are 82 and 83, which are not represented.

Interpreting the original number as decimal gives "0x01" as the last byte, which can't map to 39 no matter how hard I try. Interpreting it as hexadecimal gives "0x09"; no better. Having 9s, it can't be octal. As far as I can tell, MrMARVINMan's post is all smoke that doesn't even bother with mirrors.

Edit:
Its the sum of all the askii codes of all the characters in the encryption password possibly...
or some other mathematical equation... An average ASCII code is about 75. To reach this sum, you'd need about 128 billion characters. Even if they averaged 128 (just above the highest true ASCII value), it would take 75 billion characters. Doesn't seem likely!

[Shifter]

Interesting that the FLL field mat had a similar (even if unrelated) "easter egg" cipher this year:

http://ev3lessons.com/images/resources/puzzles/2015.jpg

And yes, some teams did decrypt it.

[angelah]

. Or, if the game piece is not an American style football, it will be the JW Hol-ee Roller (http://www.petsmart.com/dog/toys/jw-pet-hol-ee-roller-dog-toy-color-varies--zid36-10354/cat-36-catid-100118), because that looks more like a soccer ball, and fits more closely with the more global style of "football" and is offered through multiple outlets in red and blue, and is durable. In fact, I think that is more likely. It was previously suggested as a game piece in this post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=525058#post525058) in 2006.

EDIT: And wouldn't ya know it, the Hol-ee Roller comes in a football shape too. Here's your game piece (http://www.amazon.com/JW-Pet-Company-Hol-ee-Football/dp/B0002DJX9Y) guys.

The Hol-ee Roller shapes (hexagons) match the pattern on the edge of the red flag in the Stronghold video. And the blue flag has the corresponding oblong cut-out shape from the football toy in the same place. :D

ETA: And those are made of rubber.... Something about a rubber duck clue in the "security breach" video...

[matthewdenny]

EDIT: And wouldn't ya know it, the Hol-ee Roller comes in a football shape too. Here's your game piece (http://www.amazon.com/JW-Pet-Company-Hol-ee-Football/dp/B0002DJX9Y) guys.

sanddrag has spoken.

That would be a really cool game piece.

[Foster]

Ascii? Lets do Old School. Use the numbers on the phone pad and covert to words. Too lazy? Use this one: http://phonespell.org/

we-at-I-90-a-eta-09

It's clear, Frank is on the road looking for Corn Dogs. He's on I90, his ETA back is on the 9th.

But as with all clues, it's not much of a help, since I90 runs from Seattle to Boston. Coast to Coast. Oh wait is Coast to Coast a clue? Or I90 the clue since it goes past Cambridge in Boston, and there is a Cambridge in England that would have been there in medieval times?

[mwmac]

EDIT: And wouldn't ya know it, the Hol-ee Roller comes in a football shape too. Here's your game piece (http://www.amazon.com/JW-Pet-Company-Hol-ee-Football/dp/B0002DJX9Y) guys.

sanddrag has spoken.

For those of us given to game speculation at this time of year, this post has plenty of food for thought. One more item, the newly-adopted FRC blue color http://www.firstinspires.org/home is a near perfect match for the shade of blue for the postulated game pieces http://www.amazon.com/JW-Pet-Company-Hol-ee-Football/dp/B0002DJX9Y, http://www.petsmart.com/dog/toys/jw-pet-hol-ee-roller-dog-toy-color-varies--zid36-10354/cat-36-catid-100118.

[gegozi]

For those of us given to game speculation at this time of year, this post has plenty of food for thought. One more item, the newly-adopted FRC blue color http://www.firstinspires.org/home is a near perfect match for the shade of blue for the postulated game pieces http://www.amazon.com/JW-Pet-Company-Hol-ee-Football/dp/B0002DJX9Y, http://www.petsmart.com/dog/toys/jw-pet-hol-ee-roller-dog-toy-color-varies--zid36-10354/cat-36-catid-100118.

I hope we don't need to shoot this, if this is our game piece, since the aerodynamics would be extremely complicated.

Plus, aren't all the different components supposed to be related?
As in the castles and 9328490238209

[mwmac]

I hope we don't need to shoot this, if this is our game piece, since the aerodynamics would be extremely complicated.

Plus, aren't all the different components supposed to be related?
As in the castles and 9328490238209

Two things:
Robotics is the hardest fun you will have...

Sanddrag referenced the Battle of the Golden Spurs at which the opposing forces were very dissimilar i.e. mounted knights vs. infantry. I think the GDC might well consider having two game pieces with different gameplay characteristics and design considerations.

[SquishyIce]

9328490238209 is somewhere around the national debt at this point in 2008.

Overdrive mk. II anybody?

[JoshWilson]

well, it's not an ISBN or barcode number...
Unless it's for a product being released AFTER kickoff?

[kyle_hamblett]

Not to kill the life of the party, but it could be as simple as someone smashing their hand on the number pad...
Just saying...

[Culvan Van Li]

Not to kill the life of the party, but it could be as simple as someone smashing their hand on the number pad...
Just saying...

That actually seems unlikely since there is no number 5. Also left out 1, 6 & 7. Is the clue in the omission? Is there anything interesting from 1, 5, 6 & 7?

Maybe someone tried to spell something out on a phone keypad or make patterns with the numbers? Not sure how to treat the 0's for a phone keypad.

[maxnz]

Not sure how to treat the 0's for a phone keypad.

They would be a space

[JoshWilson]

Not to kill the life of the party, but it could be as simple as someone smashing their hand on the number pad...
Just saying...
Unless smashing your hand on a number pad is the hint...

[ctt956]

After splitting it into two-digit numbers, it becomes 93 28 49 02 38 20 9. 93 and 02 could be references to the games in 1993 and 2002..."Rug Rage" could maybe be a field hint?

[EmileH]

After splitting it into two-digit numbers, it becomes 93 28 49 02 38 20 9. 93 and 02 could be references to the games in 1993 and 2002..."Rug Rage" could maybe be a field hint?

Yes. The field will have a rug.

[ctt956]

I tried splitting it several ways, and got this:

93 28 49 02 38 20 9

9 3 2 8 4 9 0 2 3 8 2 0 9

932 849 023 82 09

9328 4902 3820 9

93284 90238 209

932849 023820 9

There is often a stray 9...9 years after 1992 = 2001. Maybe more hints are in the 2001 game? Could the numbers be references to team numbers? In 1993, there were water-filled balls...maybe the Hol-ee balls will be filled with something?

[ctt956]

Yes. The field will have a rug.

Maybe a different field surface with at least one rug somewhere?

[ctt956]

This number (9328490238209) when converted from hexadecimal to text, becomes 39 33 32 38 34 39 30 32 33 38 32 30 39. When these numbers are plugged into in ASCII table, they become these characters: ‘! &”’RS !& RS’. Why does this matter? When this is googled, the search comes up with a few things about remote sensing. Remote sensing, if you don’t know, is the scanning of the earth by satellite or high-flying aircraft in order to obtain information about it. Why is this relevant? Two reasons:

1. The day FIRST released this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKLxlVIapRU) , AndyMark released this mysterious video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZfGMUkVDSA) .
2. Today, AndyMark tweeted a little GIF (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzpEpykkiPQhNW95clYxVXN1bkU/view?usp=sharing) that was retweeted by FIRST. What do the two videos from AndyMark have in common? Treads.

What do treads and remote sensing have to do with an FRC game? Remote sensing = images of terrain. Treads = meant for traversing rough terrain. AndyMark is now selling “Rhino Track Modules (http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-3322.htm)” .These modules are perfectly priced for FRC and are being released just days before the season begins. If it isn’t obvious by this point, it should be obvious now. The field will be different this year (the 24th anniversary of Maize Craze). Our robots must traverse rough terrain to accomplish the assigned task (but that’s a theory for another day).

Plus, we’re going to war, right? A deciding factor in any battle is the terrain upon which it is fought.:cool:

In the SecurityBreach video, when Jake says "Check this out" he points the camera at a cylindrical light on the ceiling...treads have rollers...the GIF has a paddleball...balls on chains were used as weapons in medieval times( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flail_(weapon) )...agricultural tools = field terrain hint?

[maxnz]

Maybe a different field surface with at least one rug somewhere?

Maybe an item covered in a rug-like material along with the regular playing field rug

[CadetGizmo]

This post is truly a testament to how frenzied FRC members can get days before Kickoff as well as how many FRC members have top-tier decryption ideas. Truly amazing.

[JoshWilson]

This post is truly a testament to how frenzied FRC members can get days before Kickoff as well as how many FRC members have top-tier decryption ideas. Truly amazing.

No, we're kinda always like this. I don't think kickoff has anything to do with it.

[CadetGizmo]

No, we're kinda always like this. I don't think kickoff has anything to do with it.

True, I guess. Although the amount of speculation that's being put behind a 13 digit number is pretty cool, regardless.

[Connor McBride]

I just hope that treads would be optional. If not, I sense a lot of frustration and anger in the future.

[FrankJ]

Has anybody checked to see if it is the password to the game manual?

[CadetGizmo]

Has anybody checked to see if it is the password to the game manual?

Is the game manual out yet?

[maxnz]

Has anybody checked to see if it is the password to the game manual?

I highly doubt it. Usually they are a combination of letters, numbers and special characters. Also, the codes from the last few years seem to be at least 14 characters or more.

[JoshWilson]

True, I guess. Although the amount of speculation that's being put behind a 13 digit number is pretty cool, regardless.
So true. :D :D :D

[The_ShamWOW88]

FIRST HQ

#TrollHard

[jvriezen]

It has two prime factors: 1551037 and 6014357.

For an arbitrary 13 digit number, its pretty unlikely to have only two prime factors and both 7 digits is even less likely. I'd suggest that these two numbers are worth further investigation.

Either the entire thing is a ruse and they chose the product of two relatively small primes just to lead to further useless lines of attack, or else the prime numbers are significant. Since its unlikely that the messages would directly encode into primes, maybe this:

1551037 = 117739th prime
6014357 = 413787th prime

[gegozi]

That actually seems unlikely since there is no number 5. Also left out 1, 6 & 7. Is the clue in the omission? Is there anything interesting from 1, 5, 6 & 7?

Maybe someone tried to spell something out on a phone keypad or make patterns with the numbers? Not sure how to treat the 0's for a phone keypad.

I tried some combinations, one of the better ones is zebu iz beta x
Zebu is a type of oxen. Maybe oxen on field?

EDIT: web tiz beta x also works...

[JoshWilson]

I tried some combinations, one of the better ones is zebu iz beta x
Zebu is a type of oxen. Maybe oxen on field?
Although Zebu come from South Asia, so I don't see how that would go with the current mideval theme. Unless maybe that's just a clue for finding the actual meaning/hint, if any?

[SpaceBiz]

For an arbitrary 13 digit number, its pretty unlikely to have only two prime factors and both 7 digits is even less likely. I'd suggest that these two numbers are worth further investigation.

Either the entire thing is a ruse and they chose the product of two relatively small primes just to lead to further useless lines of attack, or else the prime numbers are significant. Since its unlikely that the messages would directly encode into primes, maybe this:

1551037 = 117739th prime
6014357 = 413787th prime

I strongly agree.

There are 586081 7 digit prime numbers. This means there are about 2*10^11 numbers with only 2 7 digit primes as factors. Only about 1 in 5 of these are 13 digits. There are about 10^14 13 digit numbers.

this means the probability of this as a random occurrence is about 1 in 250 (0.4%)

This is a large enough probability to encode data, but small enough probability to indicate significance.

117739 only has two factors excluding one and itself. They are both prime

281 (50th prime)
419 (81st prime)

This also seems improbable, only about 10,000 numbers with exclusively 3 digit prime factors exist. Not all of these will be 7 digits. The odds of one of these numbers having this characteristic will be about 1.6%.

People should look deeper into this.

[gegozi]

I strongly agree.

There are 586081 7 digit prime numbers. This means there are about 2*10^11 numbers with only 2 7 digit primes as factors. Only about 1 in 5 of these are 13 digits. There are about 10^14 13 digit numbers.

this means the probability of this as a random occurrence is about 1 in 250 (0.4%)

This is a large enough probability to encode data, but small enough probability to indicate significance.

117739 only has two factors excluding one and itself. They are both prime

281 (50th prime)
419 (81st prime)

This also seems improbable, only about 10,000 numbers with exclusively 3 digit prime factors exist. Not all of these will be 7 digits. The odds of one of these numbers having this characteristic will be about 1.6%.

People should look deeper into this.

I agree with this.

Although Zebu come from South Asia, so I don't see how that would go with the current mideval theme. Unless maybe that's just a clue for finding the actual meaning/hint, if any?

I may have been unclear. I was just stating one possibility that I found, and I later found web tiz beta x. I'm not sure if either help, but they could be a starting point.

I have a feeling that combining multiple ideas together will be the key to the answer and potentially an early game...

[zinthorne]

Well I decided to look into the history of teams with the same team numbers as listed. If you go in order from the begging starting with 9. (Number for reference 9328490238209) 9 does not exist anymore. 3 no longer exists. 2 no longer exists. 8 does exist, but when changed to 84, that team does not exist. 9 does not exist. 0 does not exist. 2 does not exist. 3 does not exist. 8 does exist, but 82 does not exist. 0 does not exist. 9 does not exist.

I don't know if this means anything, but I find it interesting that most of the numbers that are listed are of teams that do not exist excluding 8 and 4. Yet when 8 is combined with the net number in the sequence that team does not exist. 9 is listed on TBA but stopped playing years ago. Maybe research into team names or something common of the teams that don't exist? I used TBA to look up team numbers. I find it hard to believe that it is possible for this to happen so easily...

[gegozi]

Well I decided to look into the history of teams with the same team numbers as listed. If you go in order from the begging starting with 9. (Number for reference 9328490238209) 9 does not exist anymore. 3 no longer exists. 2 no longer exists. 8 does exist, but when changed to 84, that team does not exist. 9 does not exist. 0 does not exist. 2 does not exist. 3 does not exist. 8 does exist, but 82 does not exist. 0 does not exist. 9 does not exist.

I don't know if this means anything, but I find it interesting that most of the numbers that are listed are of teams that do not exist excluding 8 and 4. Yet when 8 is combined with the net number in the sequence that team does not exist. 9 is listed on TBA but stopped playing years ago. Maybe research into team names or something common of the teams that don't exist? I used TBA to look up team numbers. I find it hard to believe that it is possible for this to happen so easily...

I feel like its all related. The prime numbers, web tiz beta x, and the team numbers.

I found this definition of beta on Merriam Webster.

a measure of the risk potential of a stock or an investment portfolio expressed as a ratio of the stock's or portfolio's volatility to the volatility of the market as a whole

The "risk potential of a stock" could be the significance of the number referred to by SpaceBiz.

They want to baffle us so they give us something as hard as this. :ahh: Thank you FIRST. :eek:

[SpaceBiz]

Our head coach suggested looking at patents
http://www.google.com/patents/US6014357
http://www.google.com/patents/US1551037

Also a quick google search
https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=1551037&library=usen&tab=1

Click on the one for 1551037 It is dated august 25, 1925

It is the 25th anniversary of first

odds this is a coincidence are less than 1 in 3000 (.033%)

Plus disney makes motion pictures

[maxnz]

If you take the four digits that aren't in the number (1, 5, 6, 7) and shuffle them a little, you get 1675, which is the number for the team 'The Ultimate Protection Squad'. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not.

[gegozi]

I think that some of the ideas in this forum are exaggerations, and we should remember everything that was given to us.
All we can confirm is that the teaser is a hint. We are not sure this number even has any significance.
I feel that they gave us this as a troll, but again, we do not know anything until kickoff, or we somehow decrypt the manual.
It could be a hint, this mystery is FIRST's mission to add to the ambiguity that is already existent.

I would like to see what Frank thinks about this discussion. It would be interesting to see an insiders view on our discussions as outsiders. I would like to see what we think about this discussion AFTER kickoff when we know the game and we are insiders...

[tindleroot]

They want to baffle us so they give us something as hard as this. :ahh: Thank you FIRST. :eek:

They want to baffle us by giving us something random and seeing how hard we make it and how hard we try to make connections to the only information we already know (Stronghold).

[Sperkowsky]

Frank said on Spotlight they are just random numbers.

[orangemoore]

Frank said on Spotlight they are just random numbers.

He thinks they are. He isn't quite sure.

[SpaceBiz]

I think that some of the ideas in this forum are exaggerations, and we should remember everything that was given to us.
All we can confirm is that the teaser is a hint. We are not sure this number even has any significance.
I feel that they gave us this as a troll, but again, we do not know anything until kickoff, or we somehow decrypt the manual.
It could be a hint, this mystery is FIRST's mission to add to the ambiguity that is already existent.

I would like to see what Frank thinks about this discussion. It would be interesting to see an insiders view on our discussions as outsiders. I would like to see what we think about this discussion AFTER kickoff when we know the game and we are insiders...

I don't think that with 3 days and 12 hours left until kickoff that any of us think that we are going to confirm any type of game with a number that is virtually meaningless without already knowing the game. Even if you could confirm the game piece with some certainty, the advantage of this knowledge 3 days in advance is essentially worthless unless you are 100% certain. In the depths of our hearts, everyone who is reading this far into this thread knows this. No one takes the rumor mill that seriously before kickoff.

Like someone said before, this thread is a testament to how much the chief delphi community is excited for kickoff, and the season to follow. It is an outlet for the excitement of another great season of FIRST getting underway.

Plus, if you get even some of the hint right, you get some serious bragging rights come saturday.

[Yoni Gootkin]

This is what our team found out (quoting this thread: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140959):
"
Ahh.... do you smell that? Yes, yes! Kickoff is closer than ever and everyone is preparing! Until then, everyone is busy hunting for clues to the game, and just like you, Tiger Team 2679 is on the issue!

Here are our findings:

on the 31.12 First tweeted the following tweet.
The obvious question rising is "What is that number (9328490238209) ??"
Here is our answer:
We noticed there is a sequence of palindromic numbers: 9280829 (9328490238209)
If we'll ignore these numbers, we are left with there numbers: 349230 (9328490238209)
A quick search and we find a Steam URL : http://store.steampowered.com/app/349230/
Interesting, right? We thought so as well. The game is called Stronghold Crusader 2: The Templar and The Duke. Also interesting. Is this a coincidence? Is this related to the manual password? Did North Korea really detonate a hydrogen bomb? To answer all those questions we (team 2679) need you help, wonderful community! We'll be happy to see what you think in the replies below!
Don't forget to like our facebook page!
"

enjoy

[ctt956]

This is what our team found out (quoting this thread: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140959):
"
Ahh.... do you smell that? Yes, yes! Kickoff is closer than ever and everyone is preparing! Until then, everyone is busy hunting for clues to the game, and just like you, Tiger Team 2679 is on the issue!

Here are our findings:

on the 31.12 First tweeted the following tweet.
The obvious question rising is "What is that number (9328490238209) ??"
Here is our answer:
We noticed there is a sequence of palindromic numbers: 9280829 (9328490238209)
If we'll ignore these numbers, we are left with there numbers: 349230 (9328490238209)
A quick search and we find a Steam URL : http://store.steampowered.com/app/349230/
Interesting, right? We thought so as well. The game is called Stronghold Crusader 2: The Templar and The Duke. Also interesting. Is this a coincidence? Is this related to the manual password? Did North Korea really detonate a hydrogen bomb? To answer all those questions we (team 2679) need you help, wonderful community! We'll be happy to see what you think in the replies below!
Don't forget to like our facebook page!
"

enjoy

After looking through the screenshots on that Steam page, I noticed that there are red and blue "sides", with red and blue flags and castles. I think that would be too much of a coincidence, though maybe not since they weren't in that order. I guess they were scrambled and other numbers added?

[maxnz]

After looking through the screenshots on that Steam page, I noticed that there are red and blue "sides", with red and blue flags and castles. I think that would be too much of a coincidence, though maybe not since they weren't in that order. I guess they were scrambled and other numbers added?

Actually, they are in the right order: 9328490238209

[Lord Basket]

Doing a search of 9328490238209 led me to this website: http://world-en.openfoodfacts.org/product/9328490238209. The website gives the nutrition facts for an item with the barcode 9328490238209. The nutrition facts are very incomplete. In fact, there is only one piece of information given: 100 g / 100 mL. What substance weighs one gram per milliliter? Water. I think you guys can connect the dots from here.

[Sperkowsky]

Actually, they are in the right order: 9328490238209
Woah I still think it's a coincidence but a very cool one.

[magnets]

Doing a search of 9328490238209 led me to this website: http://world-en.openfoodfacts.org/product/9328490238209. The website gives the nutrition facts for an item with the barcode 9328490238209. The nutrition facts are very incomplete. In fact, there is only one piece of information given: 100 g / 100 mL. What substance weighs one gram per milliliter? Water. I think you guys can connect the dots from here.

I think it was probably added by a FIRST person, as the number in question is not a valid barcode. Barcodes have an extra digit that serves to verify that the scanner read everything right, and this barcode has the wrong check digit.

[GeeTwo]

Doing a search of 9328490238209 led me to this website: http://world-en.openfoodfacts.org/product/9328490238209. The website gives the nutrition facts for an item with the barcode 9328490238209. The nutrition facts are very incomplete. In fact, there is only one piece of information given: 100 g / 100 mL. What substance weighs one gram per milliliter? Water. I think you guys can connect the dots from here.

Even if it's real, many food and drink items have a specific gravity close to 1.00. (Everything from apples to very small rocks!) Nothing to see here.

[mrnoble]

I think it was probably added by a FIRST person, as the number in question is not a valid barcode. Barcodes have an extra digit that serves to verify that the scanner read everything right, and this barcode has the wrong check digit.

Are we leaving Easter eggs for each other now? How fun!

[euhlmann]

Even if it's real, many food and drink items have a specific gravity close to 1.00. (Everything from apples to very small rocks!) Nothing to see here.

It's usually because they contain a large percentage of water though.

The steam game looks interesting though. Lucky coincidence?

[orangemoore]

It's usually because they contain a large percentage of water though.

The steam game looks interesting though. Lucky coincidence?

It is the amazing ability of CD to make connections that seemingly fit the game before kickoff.

[JoshWilson]

Doing a search of 9328490238209 led me to this website: http://world-en.openfoodfacts.org/product/9328490238209. The website gives the nutrition facts for an item with the barcode 9328490238209. The nutrition facts are very incomplete. In fact, there is only one piece of information given: 100 g / 100 mL. What substance weighs one gram per milliliter? Water. I think you guys can connect the dots from here.

What? How did I not find that when I checked a barcode database a few days ago?

[maxnz]

What? How did I not find that when I checked a barcode database a few days ago?

The product was added yesterday, so it didn't 'exist' until yesterday.

[euhlmann]

The product was added yesterday, so it didn't 'exist' until yesterday.

Added by First or just some cd member's idea of a joke?

[JesseK]

Left Hand: _32_4__23_2__
Right Hand: 9__8_90__8_09

Just random typing with thumbs on a typical smart phone keyboard. Or maybe there was a tune going through the Tweeter's head at the time. I wonder what it was...

[Zac Schofield]

Or maybe there was a tune going through the Tweeter's head at the time. I wonder what it was...

Darude- Sandstorm :D

du du du du du du

[vaxheadroom]

Appears to be slightly-scrambled GPS location for a castle in France called "Château de Robert le Diable". Look it up in Google/Wikipedia. The castle tower looks just like the tower in the teaser video. The actual long/lat of the castle is 49.3396, 0.9597.

The 1st half of the code, 932849, gets rearranged to something like 49.2893, and the 2nd half, 238209 get's rearranged to 0.9(something). It doesn't match exactly; there is some additional "tweak" missing to get an exact match on the longitude/latitude. Probably has something to do with the length of the video (57 SECONDS) since longitude/lat can also be represented in degrees/minutes/seconds. (Since the tweet mentioned watching the video again). Maybe have to add in some multiple of 57 seconds to the long/lat, or something like that.

What does it mean? Not much. It just keeps alive the concept of a tower and/or defensive stronghold.

VaxHeadRoom

[Jacob Bendicksen]

Left Hand: _32_4__23_2__
Right Hand: 9__8_90__8_09
Or maybe there was a tune going through the Tweeter's head at the time. I wonder what it was...

This would make so much more sense if the number was 8675309 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTdTwcmxyo).

[Ryan_Todd]

I've got two approaches not yet fully explored in this thread.

FIRST:

Left Hand: _32_4__23_2__
Right Hand: 9__8_90__8_09

This is the real trick, try typing that on a full-sized keyboard. You only need three fingers on each hand (index, middle, and ring fingers), and if you line each hand up correctly with the corresponding spot on the keyboard and mash them repeatedly, that's exactly what the resulting number looks like:

9802349802349
9823498234980
0982348239834
9823490823940
9234908982349
9328490238209

Three fingers each from two different hands...
Definitely two distinct alliances, and three robots on each alliance...
Could be 13 game pieces that can only be scored once...
Or maybe just 13 scoring events that happen to occur during the game unveil video, and which robot scores each one...
Left hand scores 6 times, but right hand scores 7 times...
Right hand wins! Maybe. Depends on whether or not there are different point values for different kinds of scoring...

----------------------------------------------------

SECOND:

Alternatively, we can look at the number of times each digit appears within the so-called random number:
1 --> 0 times
2 --> 3 times
3 --> 2 times
4 --> 1 time
5 --> 0 times
6 --> 0 times
7 --> 0 times
8 --> 2 times
9 --> 3 times
0 --> 2 times

This gives us our second-step number as either 0321000232 or 2032100023, depending on whether the 0 digit is low or high. We could also drop the zeros, giving us either 321232 or 232123 depending on whether the zero digit was low or high, and these two numbers are curiously mirror images of one another.

0321000232 and 2032100023 could be phone numbers, but neither one gave me any particularly promising results when I searched them.

#321232 is a deep plum color, whereas #232123 is about 23 shades of grey darker than pure white (also two shades lighter than pure black, and one shade lighter than the standard "black" color defined in the 2015-edition FIRST Style Guide).

If we mash 321232 and 232123 together, we get either 321232232123 or 232123321232. Both of these numbers seem fairly dead-end based on my searching, so I think Imma go with my first approach above as being the most promising explanation out of these two.

[kyle_hamblett]

As the game manual was just posted, it is NOT the password. At this point, I'm thinking it's just a bunch of random numbers.
#frankrolled

[Ari423]

According to Frank, it's random. Something tells me we should believe him for our sanity.

http://www.firstinspires.org/robotics/frc/blog/numbers

[Foster]

So sad, it's like finding out there is no Santa Claus.

I feel bad for Haley Dunn, the person that created the number. Can you imagine her watching this thread going "But, but I just made it up?!?"

I'm going to award JesseK the winner with this post:

Just random typing with thumbs on a typical smart phone keyboard. Or maybe there was a tune going through the Tweeter's head at the time. I wonder what it was...

Ok, Haley, you are up, tell us what song you were listening to? ;)

[CNettles11]

According to Frank, it's random. Something tells me we should believe him for our sanity.

http://www.firstinspires.org/robotics/frc/blog/numbers

If you notice, the characters the post uses as thousands separators are both the comma (,), and the period (.). While groups of three digits in a single string of numbers are separated by commas in the US, some countries abroad, or "across the pond" if you would, use the mighty comma.

There are a total of five commas and one period, therefore only one of the six robots will be "across the pond" and their alliance members will have to save them. The "pond" is a moat. The other alliance members are moat alligators. In fact, all robots and team members are alligators and CMP will be in the everglades.

It's a water game.

[gegozi]

If you notice, the characters the post uses as thousands separators are both the comma (,), and the period (.). While groups of three digits in a single string of numbers are separated by commas in the US, some countries abroad, or "across the pond" if you would, use the mighty comma.

There are a total of five commas and one period, therefore only one of the six robots will be "across the pond" and their alliance members will have to save them. The "pond" is a moat. The other alliance members are moat alligators. In fact, all robots and team members are alligators and CMP will be in the everglades.

It's a water game.

That's funny. I think that was a typo because the comma is right next to the period on a standard keyboard.

[InspectorGadget1073]

So sad, it's like finding out there is no Santa Claus.



Or when you find out you freshman year game is Recycle Rush...

[Anthony Galea]

Or when you find out you freshman year game is Recycle Rush...

IMO it was worse for the seniors, who will never have another chance at a good game as a student. I'd rather have been a freshman than a senior in 2015.

[Zac Schofield]

Or when you find out you freshman year game is Recycle Rush...

Oh come on, Recycle Rush wasn't THAT bad... Was it?

Anyways, Frank posting something talking about how those numbers weren't actually a game hint. But of course, if he's saying it, than it MUST be a game hint :rolleyes:

[InspectorGadget1073]

Oh come on, Recycle Rush wasn't THAT bad... Was it?



It was pretty bad, and I mean, it was voted the WORST frc game of all time on another thread (Lunacy was in 2nd)

[CNettles11]

It was pretty bad, and I mean, it was voted the WORST frc game of all time on another thread (Lunacy was in 2nd)

Just because others thought it was a bad game, does NOT mean that you have to think that it was. Some were upset that they didn't get to play defense (read: Bumper Cars), but others were glad for a break from the misery caused by high speed collision and the resulting robot injuries. If you enjoyed the 2015 season (I'm sure you did, you're back for 2016, right?) and learned something that you didn't know before, the game couldn't have been that bad, could it?

Also, it just dawned on me that the number of registered teams is approaching pi*10e2. Not a significant number in this context, but a neat little coincidence.

[InspectorGadget1073]

(I'm sure you did, you're back for 2016, right?) and learned something that you didn't know before, the game couldn't have been that bad, could it?

I did learn the important things about robotics (i.e. How to keep on schedule, drive team, etc.) but I think it was not as good as it could have been (lack of defense, and wasnt a spectator sport), but I wasnt disappointed in the frc season itself. I am soooooo pumped for 2016

[ScandallB225]

What if it is the number of times the video had been viewed at that moment?

Too simple?

[InspectorGadget1073]

not 9328490238209

[gegozi]

According to Frank, it's random. Something tells me we should believe him for our sanity.

http://www.firstinspires.org/robotics/frc/blog/numbers

I bet you Frank's looking at all our posts on Chief Delphi and is laughing his head off. He's probably going to stay up all night seeing what we post.

What if he is posting on CD under a username that we don't recognize, and he fakes himself as one of us???

Remember, there is TWENTY HOURS AND TWENTY FOUR MINUTES UNTIL KICKOFF!!

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