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christheman200
10-01-2016, 22:02
As per G12:
The following actions are prohibited with regards to interaction with ARENA elements (items A-E
exclude any DEFENSE, RUNGS, and BOULDERS)
A. Grabbing
B. Grasping
C. Attaching to (including the use of hook-and-loop tape against the FIELD carpet)
D. Grappling
E. Hanging
F. Becoming entangled
G. Damaging

Thus, could a robot lift up an entire defense and move it into the neutral zone, thus nullifying the ability to damage a defense, since you have to move from the neutral zone into the outer work, and then the courtyard?
Joe G.
10-01-2016, 22:04
I would consider this action "damaging," violating rule G11-G
nighterfighter
10-01-2016, 22:44
In addition to the damaging aspect...

How would you pick up and move a defense without grabbing or grasping it, or any of the other prohibited verbs? Just curious.
Whippet
10-01-2016, 22:48
In addition to the damaging aspect...

How would you pick up and move a defense without grabbing or grasping it, or any of the other prohibited verbs? Just curious.

From G12:
(items A-E exclude any DEFENSE, RUNGS, and BOULDERS)
nighterfighter
10-01-2016, 22:50
From G12:

Yup. You're right.

My mistake.
Doug Frisk
10-01-2016, 23:03
As per G12:
The following actions are prohibited with regards to interaction with ARENA elements (items A-E
exclude any DEFENSE, RUNGS, and BOULDERS)
A. Grabbing
B. Grasping
C. Attaching to (including the use of hook-and-loop tape against the FIELD carpet)
D. Grappling
E. Hanging
F. Becoming entangled
G. Damaging

Thus, could a robot lift up an entire defense and move it into the neutral zone, thus nullifying the ability to damage a defense, since you have to move from the neutral zone into the outer work, and then the courtyard?

Defeating a defense means to traverse between the shields from neutral zone to courtyard. If you want to make it easier for your attackers I suppose you could do that.
Boltman
10-01-2016, 23:04
Seems legit although somehow I think you would get disabled for impeding game play.
Doug Frisk
10-01-2016, 23:12
Seems legit although somehow I think you would get disabled for impeding game play.

Oh, I'm sure the Ref or FTA would be telling me to disable the robot.

I encourage someone to try it though because I want to see the robot that can be built within the game rules that would be able to lift a 60 pound defense 3 inches and then back up with it.
jds2001
10-01-2016, 23:19
Seems legit although somehow I think you would get disabled for impeding game play.

Impeding game play (G25) results in a YELLOW CARD for the entire ALLIANCE. However, the actions that are listed there don't include FIELD damage (which I would consider this).

This might be considered unsafe robot operation (G1), or G12-G (damaging FIELD elements). This sounds like a good Q&A, since it's not exactly clear (though I do believe that it's likely against the intent of the GDC)