The Triple Tortuga is Contest born. [Archive]

Joe Johnson

15-01-2016, 10:43

Follow my logic and read below for more.

Assertion #1:
This year, perhaps more than any other year, there are going to be untested robot on the field. You know this is true. Making all the defenses is beyond all but a tiny fraction of the teams out there. I am not saying this to be mean or to be hatin' on FIRST. It's just a reality.

Assertion #2:
Given the above, you can easily predict that for many teams (most?) the first time they try to cross many defenses will be in a match.

Assertion #3:
From which it follows that we'll see a TON of stuck robots during the early weeks of the competition.

Assertion #4
There will be matches (especially during those early weeks but some times in later ones as well) where all three teams on an alliance are stuck on their opponent defenses.

When this happens, I propose we call this situation "The Triple Tortuga."

Now for the Triple Tortuga Contest.

First of all, I know it will fall on deaf ears, but here is some free advice: Do your best to avoid being part of the Triple Tortuga Club.

Test your robot before you get out on the field in a match.
Spend the time to build practice defenses, beg borrow or steal other team's defenses, go to Week Zero events, etc.
Do whatever you have to to design & build a robot that can actually go over defenses without getting stuck
and failing that, at least know what your robot/drivers are capable of (or incapable of) before you get out there in a real match.

Second, I will send a $10 gift card to Starbucks (or equiv.) to the first 5 CD users that post a reply to this post with links to a video showing a Triple Tortuga in official FIRST match.

Third, I will send a $50 gift card to the first person to post a link to a match with a Double Triple Tortuga. I hope it doesn't happen but if it does, I want to see it.

May your all opponent's towers be captured and their defenses breached! And, if ever your robot is the last not stuck on a defense, may your drivers think twice before risking another crossing...

Hold Strong,
Dr. Joe J.

SenorZ

15-01-2016, 11:40

If a DOUBLE Triple Tortuga occurs, I think the regional/district should get free corn dogs.

ehochstein

15-01-2016, 11:43

If a DOUBLE Triple Tortuga occurs, I think the regional/district should get free corn dogs.

We'll need someone to come in with cheesecake too, just to make everything better.

Amanda Morrison

15-01-2016, 11:51

Second, I will send a $10 gift card to Starbucks (or equiv.) to the first 5 CD users that post a reply to this post with links to a video showing a Triple Tortuga in official FIRST match.

Third, I will send a $50 gift card to the first person to post a link to a match with a Double Triple Tortuga. I hope it doesn't happen but if it does, I want to see it.

Dr. Joe -

Might I suggest you add verbiage that it must be the first five CD users with unique matches, so you don't end up with five cell phone videos of the same match? :)

Joe Johnson

15-01-2016, 11:53

We'll need someone to come in with cheesecake too, just to make everything better.

The situation requires comfort food. I suggest bowls of turtle soup on the house.

Dr. Joe J.

Joe Johnson

15-01-2016, 12:12

Also, I just noticed my dyslexia is showing in the title of this thread. I am just not wired right. Ah well...

Dr. Joe J.

Steve Kaneb

15-01-2016, 12:18

Also, I just noticed my dyslexia is showing in the title of this thread. I am just not wired right. Ah well...

Dr. Joe J.

I dunno, makes it sound more archaic. Fits the theme.

Joe Johnson

15-01-2016, 12:34

Dr. Joe -

Might I suggest you add verbiage that it must be the first five CD users with unique matches, so you don't end up with five cell phone videos of the same match? :)

As usual, Amanda speaks wisely. Consider the contest so amended.

More explicitly:
One Triple Tortuga match yields (at most) one gift card. if a Double Triple Tortuga is in the first 5, you also only receive one gift card* (albeit for $50 rather than $10). Before you ask, yes, I will still give out 5 $10 cards.

Keep sharing the links. When I'm out of cards, you'll have to be content with the CD fame for your Triple Tortuga finds.

Dr. Joe J.

*let's share the wealth. what else would you expect from a FIRST related activity? ;-)

IronicDeadBird

15-01-2016, 12:49

I like the idea that one guy turtles and another guy goes to help and ALSO turtles, and then the final alliance members turtles all on the same object.

MOE

15-01-2016, 13:00

HELLOOoooooo
YEP I know I was wired different than most!!!!::ouch:: could be the dyslexia thing ????:ahh: oh yeah!!!!! no soup for me this time but
thankx Dr. Joe.. Keep up the great FIRST thing miss the fun..
Lets play some great old New England DEFENCE
::rtm::

Mr. Tatorscout

15-01-2016, 15:14

Perhaps a box of chocolate turtles sent to the teams that do triple tortuga as a consolation prize.

Clinton Bolinger

15-01-2016, 15:35

Week 1 Event - 6 vs 0

Both Alliances go out for $50 worth of coffee after the match.

-Clinton

Joe Johnson

15-01-2016, 15:36

Perhaps a box of chocolate turtles sent to the teams that do triple tortuga as a consolation prize.
I love this idea.

But I'm afraid for my d(bank balance)/dt that first week of the season. Could get expensive.

Dr. Joe J

CalTran

15-01-2016, 16:37

Week 1 Event - 6 vs 0

Both Alliances go out for $50 worth of coffee after the match.

-Clinton

I like the way you think.

Jack Gillespie

15-01-2016, 16:41

I just thought you were related to Yoda

Mr. B

15-01-2016, 16:49

I think the Triple Tortuga is likely even with teams practicing on the home made (wood vs metal) field elements.

rzoeller

15-01-2016, 16:53

I think the Triple Tortuga is likely even with teams practicing on the home made (wood vs metal) field elements.

I think equally important as the different materials are the different dimensions. Take a look at the team rough terrain drawings and the official ones to see what I mean. It's possible to build the official ones, but ripping 4x4 lumber does not particularly appeal to me.

EDIT: The 1.5" spacing on the official rough terrain will be interesting for teams not using treads or pneumatic wheels (do these teams exist?)

GaryVoshol

15-01-2016, 17:17

I just thought you were related to Yoda

He's not [quite] that old!

If it's any consolation Joe, I didn't see anything wrong with the title until you pointed it out. We just see what we expect to see.

bEdhEd

16-01-2016, 00:41

Am I not turtle-y enough for the turtle club?

https://45.media.tumblr.com/fdbaab962e6cd5ca6e4cdae1362fdaca/tumblr_mpblhz7lqn1rkldumo1_500.gif

evanperryg

16-01-2016, 09:57

I like the idea that one guy turtles and another guy goes to help and ALSO turtles, and then the final alliance members turtles all on the same object.

How would they all fit? :yikes: I want to see a (double) stacked, one-defense, triple tortuga. That'd be interesting.

Daniel_LaFleur

16-01-2016, 11:38

He's not [quite] that old!

Old enough, he is NOT!
Wise enough, He IS. :p

Hoover

16-01-2016, 13:54

(By 'stuck on their opponent defenses' I am assuming that a Tortuga means they are stuck, as in jammed, in the Outer Works itself)

While a Triple Tortuga would be amusing I am thinking some Tortuga-ed robots could be pushed through their predicament. On that note I am looking to a situation where all three robots are stuck behind the Outer Works.

Examples:

Assuming robot(s) cannot breach any Outer Works not blocked by other stuck robots and are too tall (greater than 1 foot 4 inches) to get under the low bar

Two Tortuga and the third which hasn't the power nor the ability to assist can score no more points for their alliance

One Tortuga and two others which cannot breach

(Rare?) All three robots on the alliance are free but cannot breach any Outer Works obstacles

droswell

16-01-2016, 19:54

I like the idea that one guy turtles and another guy goes to help and ALSO turtles, and then the final alliance members turtles all on the same object.

Reminds me of this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bigger+digger&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=911&tbm=isch&imgil=P3MXWSL5l5KcQM%253A%253Bv76Okq7wfzrh5M%253Bh ttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.heyyouitsmestevewebb.c om%25252Fbigger-digger&source=iu&pf=m&fir=P3MXWSL5l5KcQM%253A%252Cv76Okq7wfzrh5M%252C_&dpr=1&ved=0ahUKEwicw_LR0a_KAhUMNz4KHUL1CGYQyjcINg&ei=q-aaVtzBF4zu-AHC6qOwBg#imgrc=P3MXWSL5l5KcQM%3A

Joe Johnson

21-01-2016, 22:22

There have been a few legal eagles asking for the definition of what it means to be "tortugaed*"

It is a little like art, in that we'll know it when we see it, but a good working definition is that a robot is tortugaed when it stuck or disabled while attempting to traverse or helping another robot traverse a defense. Stuck should be broadly interpreted.

Some examples:

if you flip over crossing the Chapel of Frost and you're technically not in the defense zone anymore but everyone knows that it was the defense that done you in. Of course, we're going to give you a tortuga for that.

If the Drawbridge thwaps your battery from its cradle and the field officials don't disable you until they see you dragging that 17AmpHours Anchor around the courtyard, again, you've been tortugaed my friend.

If your alliance partner gets stuck on the rock wall and you go over to try to give them a bump to save them only to have their flailing Sally Port arm reach into your robot and, horrors, turn off your main breaker, why, that's a tortuga for two right there!!!

If you are holding open the Sally Port and an alliance robot goes insane, pushes you against that very door after which their motors start smoking and they hit their e-stop and you spend the rest of the match unsuccessfully trying to get out from the pin they've put you in. Again, two tortugas will be awarded.

I hope this clears things up, even as it maddens the legalist in the FRC world.

Cheers,
Dr. Joe J.

*Yes, it's a verb now.

Billfred

21-01-2016, 22:33

Week 1 Event - 6 vs 0

Both Alliances go out for $50 worth of coffee after the match.

-Clinton

Why wait for Week 1? There's a Starbucks in Myrtle Beach... ;)

Edited to add: 4901 wouldn't partake in this, of course--we're planning to handle our business.

Anupam Goli

21-01-2016, 23:04

EDIT: The 1.5" spacing on the official rough terrain will be interesting for teams not using treads or pneumatic wheels (do these teams exist?)

Yes, they do. ;)

marshall

21-01-2016, 23:07

Why wait for Week 1? There's a Starbucks in Myrtle Beach... ;)

Edited to add: 4901 wouldn't partake in this, of course--we're planning to handle our business.

I for one look forward to drowning my robot sorrows with caffeine after we get stuck.

Sperkowsky

21-01-2016, 23:15

Good thing we signed up for the suffield shakedown. Should I eat the card for taking my phone out during a match I mean c'mon it's 10 bucks.

jman4747

22-01-2016, 10:24

I think equally important as the different materials are the different dimensions. Take a look at the team rough terrain drawings and the official ones to see what I mean. It's possible to build the official ones, but ripping 4x4 lumber does not particularly appeal to me.

EDIT: The 1.5" spacing on the official rough terrain will be interesting for teams not using treads or pneumatic wheels (do these teams exist?)

Yes they do. The real question is how many teams exist who won't pay attention to how their wheels first make contact with a defense or under what circumstances their robot would bottom out. I guarantee there will be stuck robots with pneumatic wheels several times this year. Tank treads not so much but flipping over is still an option. If you use wheels, pneumatic or hard, the spacing matters. Pneumatic wheels does not equal automatic victory.

MooreteP

30-01-2016, 06:19

One down, two to go.

Prototype Tortuga (https://youtu.be/0UgKRQIEmiY)

I'm thinking a Venti Iced Skinny Hazelnut Macchiato, Sugar-Free Syrup, Extra Shot, Light Ice, No Whip.

GaryVoshol

30-01-2016, 07:43

Ehh, put some bumpers on that thing and the extra weight will keep it stable. ;)

Maybe a battery restraint device too. (Were there 2 batteries?)

MooreteP

30-01-2016, 08:11

Ehh, put some bumpers on that thing and the extra weight will keep it stable. ;)

Maybe a battery restraint device too. (Were there 2 batteries?)

There will be bumpers. But their added weight isn't much and profile increase are demerits in my opinion.

We restrained the battery, but had a velcro fail.

No, just one battery, but the PDP fell out too.

Just a prototype, don'tcha know. :)

Poseidon5817

30-01-2016, 09:04

The 1.5" spacing on the official rough terrain will be interesting for teams not using treads or pneumatic wheels (do these teams exist?)

We exist, but we don't feel loved. :(

Joe Johnson

30-01-2016, 13:15

One down, two to go.

Prototype Tortuga (https://youtu.be/0UgKRQIEmiY)

I'm thinking a Venti Iced Skinny Hazelnut Macchiato, Sugar-Free Syrup, Extra Shot, Light Ice, No Whip.

Thank you so much for this video. I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Many thanks.

Dr. Joe J.

Donut

31-01-2016, 02:17

The 1.5" spacing on the official rough terrain will be interesting for teams not using treads or pneumatic wheels (do these teams exist?)

We exist, but we don't feel loved. :(

Contrary to what Chief Delphi polls show, they will probably be the majority. The kit bot chassis comes with standard 6" wheels like other years, and I'm sure some teams that were interested in them gave up on the idea when the wheels and chassis modifications from AM sold out in the first week.

MaGiC_PiKaChU

31-01-2016, 02:46

One down, two to go.

Prototype Tortuga (https://youtu.be/0UgKRQIEmiY)

I'm thinking a Venti Iced Skinny Hazelnut Macchiato, Sugar-Free Syrup, Extra Shot, Light Ice, No Whip.

I cannot wait to see all those bumpers and batteries laying on the field this year :yikes:

Sperkowsky

31-01-2016, 08:16

I cannot wait to see all those bumpers and batteries laying on the field this year :yikes:
+1. We were driving our robot around and a decently robust battery holder that could probably survive an entire regional with most games pooped out the battery up. Granted there was no top strap but still.

Andrew Schreiber

08-02-2016, 12:37

I'm gonna pop into here to add yet another bold prediction to Joe's contest.

Since the introduction of the Copioli/JVN kitbot transmissions in 2005 and the wonderful evolution of both the KoP drive system and COTs drive systems we've become accustomed to "robot moves" being taken for granted. This is really one of the first years where I see that being questionable for many teams. There's an abundance of teams doing custom drive systems for the first time. Couple this with the fact that crossing some of these barriers is going to be rough and you have a recipe for bad.

Driving isn't going to be assumed. Turning even less so.

OccamzRazor

08-02-2016, 15:10

Yeah I cant wait to see the Dukes of Stronghold hit the defenses with those bouncy pneumatic tires and land wheels up. The season highlights should be hilarious completed with barrel rolls and near misses. Points if someone lands on a ball and flips over because of it.

Better test and test and test some more!

Peyton Yeung

08-02-2016, 15:17

MaGiC_PiKaChU

08-02-2016, 15:35

ctt956

08-02-2016, 15:59

I for one look forward to drowning my robot sorrows with caffeine after we get stuck.

You'll probably need that caffeine to get all those robots unstuck...

Joe Johnson

08-02-2016, 17:33

Y<snip> Dukes of Stronghold <snip>

http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/hazzard-4.jpg

I see what you're doing, pulling at my heart strings by referencing a TV show from my misspent youth.
I know what you're doing but it worked.

I hereby ask FIRST to make a rule that eemcees at Stronghold competitions must use that term whenever a robot that gets air crossing a defense.

If the robot crashes spectacularly we can have the eemcee make yet another TV reference from the 70s:

http://d38zt8ehae1tnt.cloudfront.net/The_Real__6_Million_Dollar_Man_Crash_Footage_Rare_ __62991.jpg

"A robot barely alive... ...We can rebuild it. We have the technology. We can make it better than it was. Better, stronger, faster" cue music...

Ah yes, decades ago but in my mind it was like it was yesterday...

Dr. Joe J.

OccamzRazor

09-02-2016, 12:37

Maybe shorten it to Dukebots. And stuff like vaulting over other robots might become normal.

It has happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nnGGRi-94

ratdude747

21-02-2016, 19:43

Not my video, but through a facebook share, I have a week 0 single tortuga:

https://www.facebook.com/MBR4272/videos/942701249160004/?fref=nf

Cheval de fail? :D At least it wasn't an actual match...

EricH

22-02-2016, 00:08

No video, but we had a couple of tortugas at the SCRRF Scrimmage. Ramparts got one, Moat got another one or two. Moat claimed the tipped robot, crossed and then landed on its back.

Electronica1

22-02-2016, 00:50

This (https://youtu.be/MEeIv6bOhHo?t=1m5s) was the first one I saw. I honestly didn't expect the portcullis to make people flip like that.

seg9585

22-02-2016, 11:50

No video, but we had a couple of tortugas at the SCRRF Scrimmage. Ramparts got one, Moat got another one or two. Moat claimed the tipped robot, crossed and then landed on its back.

Here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20151&stc=1&d=1456159966) is a picture of a moat tortuga you mentioned:

Joe Johnson

22-02-2016, 14:03

This (https://youtu.be/MEeIv6bOhHo?t=1m5s) was the first one I saw. I honestly didn't expect the portcullis to make people flip like that.

I know it's a little mean and I shouldn't smile and that this is FIRST and we don't do these kind of things. And, I'm sorry for the team involved, but I just can't look away. That tortuga just comes out of NOWHERE. Things are going so well it seems and then the Cosmic Turtle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Turtle) just reaches a finger out of its shell, touches that robot and, Boom Done! So fast, so stuck, so long.

And this was basically a good robot from a great team. What is going to happen when you get the general population of teams out there crossing defenses?

Oh Man. Those first few weeks of the season are going to be something to see.

Dr. Evil Joe J.

Roboshant

26-02-2016, 13:31

This is screenshot of a match at Palmetto where there was a double Tortuga and 1 robot which was not functional.on the field.

Joe Johnson

26-02-2016, 13:37

This is screenshot of a match at Palmetto where there was a double Tortuga and 1 robot which was not functional.on the field.

Good effort but I'm not going to allow it.

It's not the Double Tortuga plus an e-stop Contest, no no. Triple Tortuga or nothing.

Go Team Turtle!

Dr. Joe J.

P.S. also, to be a winner you have to send a link to a video (youtube, vimeo, twitch, something that the world can see the lead up to the Triple T so that we can judge these things aright). Screen caps are nice but not sufficient for winning a gift card... ...my house my rules...

CalTran

26-02-2016, 14:12

Not a triple tortuga, but I wish I got a screen cap of 1102's tortuga on the Portcullis @ Palmetto in Quals 27. It was definitely...different.

Tomker

26-02-2016, 17:21

Not a triple tortuga, but I wish I got a screen cap of 1102's tortuga on the Portcullis @ Palmetto in Quals 27. It was definitely...different.

As you wish...

Ichlieberoboter

26-02-2016, 18:24

First triple tortuga on qual 58!!

Josh Goodman

26-02-2016, 18:25

First triple tortuga on qual 58!!

That was nuts. I still don't know how it happened.

FRANKlybored

26-02-2016, 18:25

Match 58, Palmetto
http://i.imgur.com/HUKq62y.jpg

This is a Triple Tortuga because the defense caused three robots to not move for a large portion of the match.

zinthorne

26-02-2016, 18:25

match 58!

CoreyBrown

26-02-2016, 18:26

There is your triple tortuga...

http://i.imgur.com/0Q8kMtZ.png

Electronica1

26-02-2016, 18:26

Does this count?20204

jgerstein

26-02-2016, 18:27

Match 58 at Palmetto regional. Pretty sure the door had 6222 stuck as well.

http://imgur.com/Mi4jGwj

holygrail

26-02-2016, 18:27

First triple tortuga on qual 58!!

Beat me to it! Amazingly, they were all stuck on the same defense, drawbridge. Is that some kind of super triple tortuga?!

Two of the teams were making a pyramid. They couldn't do that again if they tried!

Procolsaurus

26-02-2016, 18:28

It came out of nowhere!

Bluman56

26-02-2016, 18:34

It came out of nowhere!

"Oh no... oh no... TORTUGA OUT OF NO WHERE!"

Rombus

26-02-2016, 18:35

So if this is official, Who would have guessed a triple T would happen on the SAME defense?!:D

The Lucas

26-02-2016, 18:45

First video
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/83783588
EDIT: Triple Tortuga sequence starts at timestamp 4:03:47

Caleb Sykes

26-02-2016, 18:52

Beware the Tortuga, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jawbridge, and shun
The frumious Portacul!

Christopher149

26-02-2016, 19:33

First video
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/83783588
EDIT: Triple Tortuga sequence starts at timestamp 4:03:47

You can see 6222 rocking a bit, showing they are actually stuck on the drawbridge.

GeeTwo

26-02-2016, 20:27

It looks to me like the alliance robots pinned each other in the close vicinity of a defense, but this is Dr. Joe's game.

Edit: what was 6222 stuck on? They were close to the drawbridge, but didn't seem like they should have been stuck to it.

Edit2: Also, to teams planning a multi-boulder autonomous, you should note that the boulder's aren't really squared up on the center line. It appears that those keeper rings drift during the tournament.

The Lucas

26-02-2016, 21:05

You can see 6222 rocking a bit, showing they are actually stuck on the drawbridge.

When I first saw them rocking, I thought 'No way they are going to stay stuck for 101 sec, no Triple Tortuga. They are probably just driving the wrong way, they will figure it out' :ahh: Also, at the 4:05:05 the game announcer points out that 5898 and 6222 are rookies and added "Good job, you guys. Y'all are doing great!" :o 60 secs into the Dubious Honor of First Triple Tortuga is probably not the best time to hear that. The announcer had other gems like "still in Tent Formation".

Another funny thing about this right before this match, the Audience selected "Drawbridge" as the defense for matches 61-70. Good choice, how about that for audience participation. I feel like after this match Drawbridge would win in a landslide. The only people for Sally Port would be the red alliance. :D I wonder if they will stay away from the audience Drawbridge in their next match.

I hope the red alliance owns this and laughs it off, rather then letting it eat at them. This really was quite the perfect storm. First, it is good strategy if your goal is 5 damaged defenses, go for the double door cross early when all bots are in the right spot and communicating. The train was setup well enough but unfortunately 4748 climbed 6222 and ended up sideways between the shields. 4823 decides to help them out by successfully pushing them through the Drawbridge. Unfortunately, they end up in the aforementioned Tent Formation. 6222 correctly decides to go through the Low Bar to dislodge a tent pole (something they were capable of doing and would have been a highlight play). Unfortunately, they caught the edge of the Drawbridge on their way to the Low Bar and stayed there. Seemed like good decision-making hampered by execution errors that snowballed. It may have all started when 4748 let the bridge pop up to fend off possible defense from 1398 (but was probably just trying to hold the other Drawbridge open). It is legal to defend this double cross maneuver since most of it takes place outside the Outer Works (a rare case where a single defender can easily stop all 3 opponents from scoring without incurring fouls). Crazy game, this Stronghold.

anishde

26-02-2016, 21:16

Rather than being surprised about the circumstances surrounding this TT, I'm more surprised that it hadn't happened earlier in the day, seeing as that it's a Week 0.5 event.

Joe Johnson

26-02-2016, 21:44

First video
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/83783588
EDIT: Triple Tortuga sequence starts at timestamp 4:03:47

The Lucas (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/member.php?u=1655) is our first winner of the Triple Tortuga Contest!

PM me your contact info and we'll work on getting you your Starbucks gift card.

Teams #4748, #4823 & #6222 I am sorry to say but you're the first members of #TripleTortuga Club. You won't be the last. I am sure of that much.

There are 4 more $10 gift cards left to award and the Big Kahuna, $50 gift card for the Double Triple Tortuga.

Remember, my house, my rules. It is the first CD user that posts a reply to this thread with a LINK to a video that shows the Triple T happening. Again, a picture is nice but we need context to judge these things. A link to publicly available video is the way we are going to do that.

May all your turtugas be Triple Tortugas!

Cheers,
Dr. Joe J.

Joe Johnson

27-02-2016, 08:17

UPDATE on our first winner:

A gift card has been sent to The Lucas (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/member.php?u=1655). Dr. Joe pays his debts promptly and I'll not have it said otherwise ;-)

The Lucas asked for an Amazon card rather than a Starbucks card which I allowed so I am offering this option to all other contestants as well.

Finally, some have expressed concern that someone may try to win by editing a response after the fact (for example posting a picture or a comment first then adding a link when the USTREAM gets posted).

Come on people. You know better than that. That ain't gonna cut no ice with the good doctor. That said, let's make a rule to avoid the situation.

So... to be eligible you have to have the following elements:
You must be first to reply to this message thread with an UNEDITED POST that contains a link to a publicly available video that shows enough of the lead up to a Triple Tortuga to judge that it IS in fact a Triple Tortuga. Also note there is nothing preventing you from uploading your own video and linking to that. You don't have to wait until the official stream becomes available. The competition never sleeps. You can't rest if you want to win the prize...

May all your tortugas be Triple Tortugas.

Dr. Joe J.

P.S. Did all ya'll see that Dukes of Stronghold move that one of the robots on the blue team did just prior to the Triple Tortuga? If that kind of behavior keeps up, there are going to be a lot more tortugas for us all to view and enjoy.

DanielPlotas

28-02-2016, 02:50

ratdude747

28-02-2016, 08:39

According to this (https://www.reddit.com/r/FRC/comments/47s891/media_amazing_tortuga_at_palmetto_regional/d0fgz9w) post on /r/FRC, 6222's battery became dislodged, and was stuck underneath their robot. Looking at FRANKlybored's picture, this certainly looks possible.
The poster, who claimed to be the referee standing over the robots as it happened, did not say anything about knowing how the battery became dislodged, so I'm not sure how this will affect the ruling of a Triple Tortuga.

Re-watching the match, 6222 did indeed get e-stopped if you look at their driver station's status light, although it wasn't obvious until the end of the match. A bit before a look at the stack light shows a Red indicator, which would indicate some issue on the red side. The Field monitor wasn't in focus so I couldn't see anything there.

Even so, if the loose battery was caused by the drawbridge (which is plausible), given Dr. Joe's prior ruling, is a tortuga. He specifically mentioned that tossing a battery due to a defense and getting E-stopped (either by the team or by the scorekeeper via FMS) as a result does count. All that matters is that a defense was responsible to a degree.

Joe Johnson

28-02-2016, 08:50

<snip>
All that matters is that a defense was responsible to a degree.

Exactly correct. I hear the appeal and I sustain the Triple Tortuga Ruling.

Dr. Joe J.

Golfer4646

04-03-2016, 14:23

I believe the blue alliance in qualification 24 of Northern Lights just achieved Triple Tortuga!

hrench

04-03-2016, 15:24

I believe the blue alliance in qualification 24 of Northern Lights just achieved Triple Tortuga!

post video, get starbucks!

Joe Johnson

04-03-2016, 16:14

post video, get starbucks!

I know it seems mean, but I can't wait. Someone please post a link. In the mean time, any details you can tell? The first one came out of the blue, how did this one unfold?

Do tell...

Dr. Joe J.

Golfer4646

04-03-2016, 16:47

I know it seems mean, but I can't wait. Someone please post a link. In the mean time, any details you can tell? The first one came out of the blue, how did this one unfold?

Do tell...

Dr. Joe J.
I do not have video of the match, nor can I find an archive of it. I have been watching from home on a low quality, lagging stream, (my home internet connection is very slow). For this reason congrats to whoever has video of the match. This is what I remember seeing.

I do not remember which robot was which, so I will refer to the blue alliance robots as: blue 1, blue 2, and blue 3.

Blue 1 was stuck in the moat, so blue 2 tried to help them out. Blue 2 was able to push blue 1 off the moat, but in doing so blue 1 flipped, blocking the mid-field entrance/exit of the moat. Meanwhile blue 2 got stuck in the moat where blue 1 had been. Blue 3 appeared to not be moving, and was positioned it front of the low bar. They appeared to be more dead/disabled than stuck.

This is what I remember seeing, and is likely not a perfect account of what happened, but I am looking forward to seeing a video of it to see what actually happened. It could have very easily not been a triple, but instead a double if blue 3 happened to move again, or if blue 2 had freed themselves from the moat. (The webcast finished the final seconds of the match focused on the red robots surrounding/climbing the tower, so I was not able to see a definitive shot of a triple tortuga.)

Hitchhiker 42

05-03-2016, 22:07

Waterbury - I'm not sure it was a triple, but of interest: a match (somewhere in the 30s), one robot flipped over in the courtyard, one stuck on the moat, the third on top of the second robot. Yep. My team was on top of the other robot.

TAlholm

05-03-2016, 22:16

Our "Tortuga" song hasn't been played yet at Waterbury, but with the help of mooretep, I think you all would enjoy.

MooreteP

05-03-2016, 23:35

Our "Tortuga" song hasn't been played yet at Waterbury, but with the help of mooretep, I think you all would enjoy.

It finally got played. I forget which match. Only a lone Tortuga.

Hope mohave more tomorrow as there are several candidates with a high C.O.G.

Spoam

06-03-2016, 01:56

Alright, since I was wondering the likelihood of all your gift cards being claimed and since doing FRC-related statistical analysis is basically what I do for fun, I decided to crunch some numbers over it. After a lot of math, this is what I found:

In order for it to be more likely than not that all 5 of your Tortuga prizes are claimed, the mean probability of a robot getting stuck in any given match needs to be at least ~6.3% (i.e. the average robot would have to get stuck at least once every 16ish matches).*

From my prior knowledge in FRC, I would say this number is conservative enough that all 5 of your prizes will almost certainly be taken by the end of the season.

*To calculate this figure I assumed 127 competitions with 75 qual matches each on average (I eyeballed this average from TBA event pages). Also, this model relies on some tenuous assumptions about the distribution of likeliness to tortuga so, uh, don't use it to place any bets.

Bluman56

06-03-2016, 02:54

Alright, since I was wondering the likelihood of all your gift cards being claimed and since doing FRC-related statistical analysis is basically what I do for fun, I decided to crunch some numbers over it. After a LOT of math, this is what I found:

In order for it to be more likely than not that all 5 of your Tortuga prizes are claimed, the mean probability of a robot getting stuck in any given match needs to be at least ~6.3% (i.e. the average robot would have to get stuck at least once every 16ish matches).*

From my prior knowledge in FRC, I would say this number is conservative enough that all 5 of your prizes will almost certainly be taken by the end of the season.

*To calculate this figure I assumed 127 competitions with 75 qual matches each on average (I eyeballed this average from TBA event pages).

Is that implying all Tortugas are caught on video right away?

Spoam

06-03-2016, 03:17

Is that implying all Tortugas are caught on video right away?

Yes.

GeeTwo

06-03-2016, 07:06

In order for it to be more likely than not that all 5 of your Tortuga prizes are claimed, the mean probability of a robot getting stuck in any given match needs to be at least ~6.3% (i.e. the average robot would have to get stuck at least once every 16ish matches).*

I believe your calculations assume that tortugas are independent events. I think it highly likely that double and triple tortugas will be more common than the number of singles would indicate. The 3T from Palmetto is a great example of why this would be the case - none of those robots would have been a single tortuga. Only by interacting did the robots become immobile. The double tortuga reported by Hitchhiker 42 sounds like a bit of a cascade as well.

Joe Ross

06-03-2016, 12:42

CalTran

06-03-2016, 12:47

Like this?

That's impressive.

Hitchhiker 42

07-03-2016, 19:50

That's impressive.

It's amazing how such low robots are able to get tipped over.

BeardyMentor

08-03-2016, 08:43

It's amazing how such low robots are able to get tipped over.

With the speeds of crossings and how high these robots jump, I am surprised it is not more common. Our robot flipped in one match at Mount Olive because we went full speed then reversed the wheels while in the air. DOH! We will endeavor not to do that again.

Ninjastahr

08-03-2016, 12:14

We may see fewer tortugas (tortugae?) in later regionals, as I know my team has come up with some retrofit anti-tortuga pneumatics and has put them on our robot. I'm sure we'll see more of these as the season progresses, which may hinder the coveted triple tortuga.

GMeyer

08-03-2016, 16:01

I have not yet seen any coveted triple tortugae. However, I have seen this double tortuga from the Semifinals at MAR's Hatboro-Horsham event (http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2016pahat).

Hitchhiker 42

08-03-2016, 17:25

TylerRoHawktics

08-03-2016, 19:32

Hey I have a video of the triple tortuga at palmetto. The link is https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DMxaxG2GeTQ

bacony42

08-03-2016, 19:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMxaxG2GeTQ

The Triple Tortuga did indeed occur at Palmetto, but its legitimacy may be questioned as one robot was not stuck on a defense, and was instead stuck on another robot.

EDIT: I see I have been beaten to this video. My apologies

GMeyer

09-03-2016, 16:45

I have not yet seen any coveted triple tortugae. However, I have seen this double tortuga from the Semifinals at MAR's Hatboro-Horsham event (http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2016pahat).

I accidentally deleted the attachment. Here it is.

ctt956

09-03-2016, 16:55

Anteprefix

10-03-2016, 03:14

Just saw a hilarious single tortuga at Israel qual match 87: http://i.imgur.com/TFijZZC.png

Joe Johnson

10-03-2016, 12:22

As my previous post stated, I'm not sure if this is a triple, but if you watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQXgQ2y7jw&list=PLp3snvGatd2jHJnrJ1NuSwQwFXvKgIzKX&index=50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQXgQ2y7jw&list=PLp3snvGatd2jHJnrJ1NuSwQwFXvKgIzKX&index=50)
from 2:57, you'll see 4557 trying to free 3780, but climbing on and being suspended by the bumpers between the moat and the other robot (we wiggle around, but can't get free until the match is over). The third robot 2785 is flipped over in the courtyard.

This is match 25 at Waterbury.

First of all. THANK YOU! I can't lie, I love watching these matches. There is little question as to this being at LEAST a Double Tortuga because as you say 4557 gets stuck trying to unstick 3780 who drives onto a defense during Auton and stay there (it is possible it was a coding error that caused the robot not to move during teleop, but I going to allow it).

The surprise in this video is the fate of the third robot. It is like one of those comedy sketches on Saturday Night Live. You see 2785 driving around in their opponent courtyard, the camera pans away for a bit, the camera pans back and BOOM! there is 2785 upside down (and I mean COMPLETELY wheels to the ceiling) just outside the batter. Crazy.

Does anyone know how this happened? It doesn't LOOK like it has anything to do with the Outerworks so unless I get more info, I am going t rule that this is NOT a Triple Tortuga.

BUT... ...if someone can give me eye witness testimony to connect this to a defense I am open to changing my mind.

Finally, if we don't end up getting enough Triple Ts to claim all the prizes, I will declare this an Honorary Triple Tortuga because of the complete and utter turtling that happened to 2785. Amazing.

Cheers,

Dr. Joe J.

efoote868

10-03-2016, 12:32

Does anyone know how this happened? It doesn't LOOK like it has anything to do with the Outerworks so unless I get more info, I am going t rule that this is NOT a Triple Tortuga.

Full field view, starting at the flip: https://youtu.be/1wBvCjVG5AQ?t=1m57s

BethMo

10-03-2016, 12:34

Our "Tortuga" song hasn't been played yet at Waterbury, but with the help of mooretep, I think you all would enjoy.

Is this available somewhere? I'd like to hear it!

Personally, I've been imagining a 100-voice choir with orchestra singing "Oh, Tortuga!" to the tune of "Oh, Fortuna!" from the Carmina Burana.

ratdude747

10-03-2016, 13:03

Full field view, starting at the flip: https://youtu.be/1wBvCjVG5AQ?t=1m57s

That reminds me of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzvFtki2uxk

GeeTwo

10-03-2016, 13:08

Full field view, starting at the flip: https://youtu.be/1wBvCjVG5AQ?t=1m57s

Looks like a 3T if Dr. Joe makes the batter an honorary defense.

notmattlythgoe

10-03-2016, 13:20

First of all. THANK YOU! I can't lie, I love watching these matches. There is little question as to this being at LEAST a Double Tortuga because as you say 4557 gets stuck trying to unstick 3780 who drives onto a defense during Auton and stay there (it is possible it was a coding error that caused the robot not to move during teleop, but I going to allow it).

The surprise in this video is the fate of the third robot. It is like one of those comedy sketches on Saturday Night Life. You see 2785 driving around in their opponent courtyard, the camera pans away for a bit, the camera pans back and BOOM! there is 2785 upside down (and I mean COMPLETELY wheels to the ceiling) just outside the batter. Crazy.

Does anyone know how this happened? It doesn't LOOK like it has anything to do with the Outerworks so unless I get more info, I am going t rule that this is NOT a Triple Tortuga.

BUT... ...if someone can give me eye witness testimony to connect this to a defense I am open to changing my mind.

Finally, if we don't end up getting enough Triple Ts to claim all the prizes, I will declare this an Honorary Triple Tortuga because of the complete and utter turtling that happened to 2785. Amazing.

Cheers,

Dr. Joe J.

Thank you, I read this and got a big chuckle after watching the video. Knowing it coming made the video even better.

Joe Johnson

10-03-2016, 13:49

Looks like a 3T if Dr. Joe makes the batter an honorary defense.

Oh man, I am going to Hades. I laughed SO hard at that video showing what really happened (https://youtu.be/1wBvCjVG5AQ?t=1m57s). I mean really and truly laughed. I'm sorry 2785, but that was funny.

As I recovered, I thought of that scene in the "Wrong Lever" bit from The Emperor's New Groove (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw2B9knw58U&ab_channel=MrMatto91).
"Why do we even HAVE those batter dividers?"

To contribute to my eternal damnation of course! Curse you Game Design Committee ;-)

Dr. Joe J.

P.S. If that video isn't worth a $10 gift card, I don't know what is...

Hitchhiker 42

10-03-2016, 15:03

If that video isn't worth a $10 gift card, I don't know what is...

So is it going to be counted a triple? ::rtm::

Ninjastahr

10-03-2016, 15:17

Pneumatics to flip a robot? That I'd like to see! Do you have a video of it in action? :D

We will be at the Iowa Regional in two weeks, so you can watch us on the stream! :D

P.S. - Our anti-tortuga mechanism doesn't work if we flip completely over, it just prevents bottoming out.

Joe Johnson

11-03-2016, 07:21

So is it going to be counted a triple? ::rtm::

I'm going to stick by my "we'll see" position.

There are only so many gift cards I can give out on a lark. If at the end of the season we haven't claimed all the promised prizes (which seems likely), then I will award this honorary Triple Tortuga one of them.

Cheers,
Dr. Joe J.

Anthony Galea

11-03-2016, 09:14

There were just two double tortugas in GTRE Q2, interesting.

Beeker

11-03-2016, 10:21

Peyton Yeung

11-03-2016, 10:29

Caleb Sykes

11-03-2016, 14:35

Qual 32 GTRE http://livestream.com/accounts/12312913/events/4953783. Match starts at 7:56:30.

EDIT: This might not actually count, one of the robots starts moving again right at the end.

Gregor

11-03-2016, 16:21

Not quite a Tortuga but it's pretty entertaining.

http://livestream.com/accounts/12312913/events/4953783

8:47:00 one robot flies over the CDF onto another.

Thad House

11-03-2016, 17:14

We just triple tortuga'd match 19 at wilsonville. I'll get a video as soon as it uploads

Joe Johnson

11-03-2016, 17:18

I think I have one!

http://www.nfhsnetwork.com/events/whittemoreprescott-high-school-whittemore-mi/ecc458d6b4

Frame 2:23:00

This is Match 8 from Standish Sterling Michigan event last weekend. All three Blue Alliance Members got stuck!:eek:

I believe the tall robot on the draw bridge was just sitting there. At the end of the match they were driving around.

This was close but I'm going to say this was NOT a Triple Tortuga. Had the match ended 20 seconds earlier I would agree this was a 3T because they went dead crossing the drawbridge and sat there for over a minute but they came alive again and in the end were completely free of the outerworks when they died the second time.

Close but no cigar...

Dr. Joe J.

Joe Johnson

11-03-2016, 17:19

Qual 32 GTRE http://livestream.com/accounts/12312913/events/4953783. Match starts at 7:56:30.

EDIT: This might not actually count, one of the robots starts moving again right at the end.

Link not showing any video.

Joe Johnson

11-03-2016, 17:20

Not quite a Tortuga but it's pretty entertaining.

http://livestream.com/accounts/12312913/events/4953783

8:47:00 one robot flies over the CDF onto another.

Link not showing any video.

Golfer4646

11-03-2016, 17:35

We just triple tortuga'd match 19 at wilsonville. I'll get a video as soon as it uploads
Did you mean match #18?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zc9opgxEas

I believe this might be just a double tortuga though, but I'll let someone else be the judge.

Thad House

11-03-2016, 17:45

Did you mean match #18?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zc9opgxEas

I believe this might be just a double tortuga though.

Yeah that one.

In the last 20 seconds all red robots are dead.

2 died hitting the defenses, and then we had to estop because the new flaps accidentally triggered an unexpected mode on our robot which caused it to get stuck.

ctt956

11-03-2016, 19:08

2 died hitting the defenses, and then we had to estop because the new flaps accidentally triggered an unexpected mode on our robot which caused it to get stuck.

The field strikes back! :yikes:

Joe Johnson

11-03-2016, 19:18

Did you mean match #18?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zc9opgxEas

I believe this might be just a double tortuga though, but I'll let someone else be the judge.

We have our 2nd Winner! Golfer4646, you put the link up to the match first. PM to work out the $10 Gift Card.

3 More $10 Triple Tortuga's Left plus the big kahuna, $50 buckaroo bonzias for the link that shows a Double Triple Tortuga (if it ever happens).

Cheers,
Dr. Joe J.

Jarren Harkema

12-03-2016, 20:17

I don't really know where this should go. It's not really a tortuga, and it's not really a Dukes of stronghold, but I thought it was funny nonetheless.
Watch the field volunteer in the white shirt. The camera was pointed on that side of the field, and all you could see was her reaction, and then it cuts over to the punchline.
http://i.imgur.com/SrOK6i0.jpg

Dr. Joe, we might just need a thread for all the funny moments of Stronghold, this season is FULL of them. I've enjoyed every match I've watched, and something interesting is always happening.

Landonh12

13-03-2016, 12:24

Match number 60 at CVR had 3 robots tip over. Two of the bots tipped from the ramparts and another bot tipped over on itself.

Anteprefix

13-03-2016, 12:25

Match number 60 at CVR had 3 robots tip over. Two of the bots tipped from the ramparts and another bot tipped over on itself.

Here's a picture:http://i.imgur.com/ddwckd3.png
Also, the red robot was knocked over by a blue robot, causing a foul.

seg9585

13-03-2016, 18:13

DrWaSaBi

15-03-2016, 14:36

Ouch

Joe Johnson

16-03-2016, 14:11

Potential Triple Tortuga at the Los Angeles Regional!

Quals 41, Teams 3512, 4415, 848

848 got hung up in the low bar early and lost comm. 3512 flipped going over ramparts, and late in the match 4415 flipped backwards attempting the chival de frise.
Photo attached. Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=genyV1Pljwc&list=PL-TcD7TTX4iXKYJsC5c2vyeErkSR1T73w&index=4)

First of all, AMAZING find. It's like a fine wine. So many flavors and tastes to swirl around your mouth and enjoy.

Second of all, sorry I have been away on family matters for a few days.

Allow me to call the match:

At first I thought 3512 was a gonner in Auton. But no, they pulled it out and righted the ship. All is well, they are crossing defenses and looking good. Then at :55 it's their 4th time across the 3rd defense, heading to the neutral zone to presumably move to start weakening another defense and BOOM! They get sideways to the defense and cartwheel, ending up wheels to the ceiling (the most iconic of all tortuga poses*).

Meanwhile it looks like 848 is near the low bar having problems with coms(?). They are touching the outworks so I'd be inclined to give them the tortuga if the the match ends here, but no, 848 comes alive and completes the limbo at 1:05.

Then at 1:14, 848 is back under the limbo bar apparently down for the count (coms again?).

All the while, 4415 is gamely (and if I am being honest, shakily) weakening defenses . They have a few near tortuga experiences (e.g. at 1:32 but their driver and their wheelie bar save them for the moment).

At 2:15 4415 wisely decides that the drawbridge is the best way back to the neutral zone and 848 is ALIVE.

848 trashes around a few times in the courtyard by the low bar as 4415 sets up for one last crossing.

848 seems to be having drive train problems in addition to the coms issues(?). They move a bit away from the outerworks but can't really get away and end up driving into the low bar as 4415 tumbles backward (no wheelie bar to save them this time because their wheelie bar does double duty as a Chili Fries actuator) and time expires.

I think it is POSSIBLE that 848 was not quite stuck on the outerworks but in the end, they spent all but a few seconds of the match actually in the outerworks and clearly hadn't escaped the low bar's maw as time expired.

I'm awarding our 3rd Triple Tortuga!!!

seg9585, PM me and we'll make arrangement to get you your $10 gift card (which was started as Starbucks but was then expanded to Amazon and now another person has asked for iTunes. so... ...I am pretty open about gift card sources).

May all your tortugas be TRIPLE Tortugas.

Dr. Joe J.

*This happened to Overclocked at Reading on Saturday so I'm not casting aspersions -- it can happen to the best of us.

marshall

16-03-2016, 14:15

Does it count as a tortuga if the defense gets stuck on the robot?

http://imgur.com/1Lf8vW4

https://i.imgur.com/1Lf8vW4.gif

Joe Johnson

16-03-2016, 14:21

Does it count as a tortuga if the defense gets stuck on the robot?

http://imgur.com/1Lf8vW4

https://i.imgur.com/1Lf8vW4.gif

Nice. Is it just me or are there many many more such "interesting" moments in this year's game?

Dr. Joe J.

marshall

16-03-2016, 14:23

Nice. Is it just me or are there many many more such "interesting" moments in this year's game?

Dr. Joe J.

I am finding it to be that way too. It's a fun game to just watch.

Boltman

16-03-2016, 15:43

I submit QF2-1 at CVR

https://youtu.be/KBg4DSRBQlc?list=PLZAFuF5u-XSlxuUQfCRkWp0-4V78CASeD

hrench

16-03-2016, 16:01

Don't have a video of this, but at Greater Kansas City in Quals 24, All three blue robots became immobile.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/43225

vhcook

16-03-2016, 16:27

Don't have a video of this, but at Greater Kansas City in Quals 24, All three blue robots became immobile.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/43225

I've been looking for video of this, but I can't find it, so I'll provide the play by play, as I recall it.

The near robot was disabled by the refs for having a bumper fall off traversing the rock wall (it was lying in the neutral zone next to the robot). One of the other two (1997) subsequently got stuck in the moat (high-centered on the second bar). The third robot could only cross group B and D defenses (too tall for the low bar) and got marooned in the neutral zone. They tried to push the dead robot over the rock wall, which had no effect. Then they cast about for a moment or two trying to find something to do. After a few moments, they drove over and tried to push their other partner out of the moat. This resulted in the tent formation you see in the picture. Since at that point the only things in contact with the ground were bumpers, they were stuck there for the rest of the match.

Joe Johnson

16-03-2016, 19:55

I submit QF2-1 at CVR

https://youtu.be/KBg4DSRBQlc?list=PLZAFuF5u-XSlxuUQfCRkWp0-4V78CASeD

I don't see a triple tortuga here. Make your case if you think I'm wrong.

Dr. Joe J.

Joe Johnson

16-03-2016, 19:57

I've been looking for video of this, but I can't find it, so I'll provide the play by play, as I recall it.

The near robot was disabled by the refs for having a bumper fall off traversing the rock wall (it was lying in the neutral zone next to the robot). One of the other two (1997) subsequently got stuck in the moat (high-centered on the second bar). The third robot could only cross group B and D defenses (too tall for the low bar) and got marooned in the neutral zone. They tried to push the dead robot over the rock wall, which had no effect. Then they cast about for a moment or two trying to find something to do. After a few moments, they drove over and tried to push their other partner out of the moat. This resulted in the tent formation you see in the picture. Since at that point the only things in contact with the ground were bumpers, they were stuck there for the rest of the match.

Oh please oh please. SOMEBODY get me a link to a video of this match.

Dr. Joe J.

ratdude747

16-03-2016, 20:50

Does it count as a tortuga if the defense gets stuck on the robot?

http://imgur.com/1Lf8vW4

https://i.imgur.com/1Lf8vW4.gif

No, it's called *foghorn*. :D

(Cmon, as a scorekeeper I had to say it).

EricH

16-03-2016, 21:01

No, it's called *foghorn*. :D

(Cmon, as a scorekeeper I had to say it).
Isn't it also called "check all pockets for the missing pins"?

ratdude747

16-03-2016, 21:07

Isn't it also called "check all pockets for the missing pins"?

More like *toss broken pins in the "robot barf" box*

Refraining from further comment as I'm a key volunteer who isn't supposed to talk about on-field incidents. I hope I didn't say too much.

Joe Johnson

21-03-2016, 11:54

efoote868

21-03-2016, 13:13

My apologies to 3180, but this was one of the more humorous tortugas that I've seen this year... Not a triple, but funny all the same.

https://youtu.be/3rij1aKAwmg?t=26s

jSchnitz

21-03-2016, 13:42

Oh please oh please. SOMEBODY get me a link to a video of this match.

Dr. Joe J.

No video of the match, but I happened to be standing in queue with my phone out as I saw the tortuga unfolding. Didn't get much thanks to the bot demanding attention, but enjoy anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?edit=vd&v=aP3oA6qkjfE

MrNick

21-03-2016, 13:53

Are we running out of Triple Tortugas? As there are fewer and fewer first time event participants, I would think so but having attended NEFIRST's UMass Dartmouth event, I know that this is not the case.

We ALMOST had one in the Elims (and had the match ended mid match, I think we would have). Also, Paul Copioli tried to claim the a prize for a Triple Tortuga as Emcee at that same tournament, arguing that I saw it with my own eyes so no video was necessary. He had a point but I say, nay. The rules require a link, my personal retinas viewing the match not withstanding. And actually, even watching it live, I am a little skeptical -- I will need to review the tape to see if 88 just stopped driving or were they really tortugad (it was an amazing thing even if it wasn't a 3T).

Sooo.... there are still Triple Tortuga prizes to be awarded. Share the link and win a gift card.

Dr. Joe J.

I was the outerworks ref for this match and am a mentor for 88. My feeling is that this wasn't a 3T. 88 was desperately trying to push their disabled alliance mate through the defense and had no choice but to try to push forward in order to get the breach. They came within a fraction of an inch of doing so. This was all in the waning seconds of the match. Had there been more time in the match, I think 88 could have been able to get themselves back out of the defense. It was close, though.

ratdude747

21-03-2016, 14:15

My apologies to 3180, but this was one of the more humorous tortugas that I've seen this year... Not a triple, but funny all the same.

https://youtu.be/3rij1aKAwmg?t=26s

I was going to post that one myself... I shouldn't laugh, but that was somewhat amusing to watch field-side.

Joe Johnson

22-03-2016, 09:59

Maria S

22-03-2016, 12:32

There are still quite a few teams in the PNW district who are going to be at their first two competitions in week 4 and 5... so maybe then?

Daniel_LaFleur

22-03-2016, 12:46

So... ...is the contest over basically? No new entries for this week?

Still 2 $10 gift cards and a $50 gift card to be claimed (though a Double Triple Tortuga seems like it just isn't in the cards... ...but you never know).

Dr. Joe J.

I suspect that triple tortugas' going forward will be of the "robot attempting to rescue their partner and ending up in a tent formation" type.

I'll state here now that I believe that all of your triple Tortuga cards will be awarded before the world championship but the double triple Tortuga card will not.

JohnFogarty

22-03-2016, 13:13

I suspect that triple tortugas' going forward will be of the "robot attempting to rescue their partner and ending up in a tent formation" type.

I'll state here now that I believe that all of your triple Tortuga cards will be awarded before the world championship but the double triple Tortuga card will not.

You mean like what happens here?

https://youtu.be/euNOPz8JMBM?t=3h43m19s

I was going to submit this match as a triple tortuga...but it's not clear why the third red robot just sits there moving back and forth in the neutral zone. It crosses the low bar once and then I think it might get stuck on a ball at some point.

Daniel_LaFleur

22-03-2016, 13:21

You mean like what happens here?

https://youtu.be/euNOPz8JMBM?t=3h43m19s

I was going to submit this match as a triple tortuga...but it's not clear why the third red robot just sits there moving back and forth in the neutral zone. It crosses the low bar once and then I think it might get stuck on a ball at some point.

LOL. Yeah, just like that.

I do not believe that that video is a triple Tortuga because the third robot is just 'spinning in place'. But that "tent formation" is hilarious.

Joe Johnson

23-03-2016, 12:53

LOL. Yeah, just like that.

I do not believe that that video is a triple Tortuga because the third robot is just 'spinning in place'. But that "tent formation" is hilarious.

I am going to agree with Daniel here. No Triple Tortuga Awarded.

Callin' 'em as I sees 'em...

Dr. Joe J.

seg9585

23-03-2016, 15:47

Not a triple tortuga, but a very impressive tortuga at the Los Angeles Regional (also note the blue alliance team in the foreground missing all its bumpers as well)
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20430&stc=1&d=1458762398

engunneer

23-03-2016, 16:54

848 seems to be having drive train problems in addition to the coms issues(?). They move a bit away from the outerworks but can't really get away and end up driving into the low bar as 4415 tumbles backward (no wheelie bar to save them this time because their wheelie bar does double duty as a Chili Fries actuator) and time expires.

I do believe the wheelie bar would have saved them. They were not using it to Shovel the Fries.

gafftron

23-03-2016, 23:16

Are we running out of Triple Tortugas? As there are fewer and fewer first time event participants, I would think so but having attended NEFIRST's UMass Dartmouth event, I know that this is not the case.

We ALMOST had one in the Elims (and had the match ended mid match, I think we would have). Also, Paul Copioli tried to claim the a prize for a Triple Tortuga as Emcee at that same tournament, arguing that I saw it with my own eyes so no video was necessary. He had a point but I say, nay. The rules require a link, my personal retinas viewing the match not withstanding. And actually, even watching it live, I am a little skeptical -- I will need to review the tape to see if 88 just stopped driving or were they really tortugad (it was an amazing thing even if it wasn't a 3T).

Sooo.... there are still Triple Tortuga prizes to be awarded. Share the link and win a gift card.

Dr. Joe J.

Found some match video for you to confirm

Here's the video of Match 43: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xUgb8Ek2F0

At 1:00 we see 4151 open the Sally port for 3461. As 3461 goes through 4151 gets flipped upside down, going full wheels up.

At 1:35 we see 3461 attempt to cross the rock wall when they bottom out and get their back wheels stuck and cannot finish getting over the wall. 2nd tortuga

At 2 minutes 88 starts to push 3461 and eventually gets them over the rockwall, but their robot is still dead on the other side of the wall. 88 Attempts to still get over anyways, when they ride up on top of both the rockwall and 3461. They move back and forth for a few seconds before they stop moving at the end of the match.

Flashback0902

24-03-2016, 14:57

I would like to submit Oklahoma Regional Practice Match 6.

Video of the Match is here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvEltSnObp4&feature=youtu.be). Sorry I recorded it the wrong way.

What happened was team 4005 (wearing red bummer because it is a practice match) tipped over during autonomous while attempting the rock wall. Shortly after, team 3498 gets temperately disabled by the moat. Meanwhile, team 3612 get permanently disabled by the sally port. As the camera pans to the right to show the alliances reaction, team 3498 regains power just to be disabled again by the moat while trying to get off of it. By far on of the saddest matches to watch, especially one of the red alliances robots did connect to the computer.

Joe Johnson

29-03-2016, 13:52

http://i.imgur.com/UBKSEJf.gif

Here's hoping for one final weekend of Triple Tortuga...

Dr. Joe J.

hrench

29-03-2016, 14:18

I video'd a double this weekend, but I kinda felt guilty for wishing the third 'bot would stop.

I think there will be more. It's a hard game and even good robots die sometimes.

GeeTwo

29-03-2016, 22:28

http://i.imgur.com/UBKSEJf.gif

Here's hoping for one final weekend of Triple Tortuga...

Dr. Joe J.

At the risk of quoting Citibank.... Priceless.

AGPapa

03-04-2016, 11:17

George1902

03-04-2016, 12:50

South Florida QF 3-2 (https://youtu.be/BE7p1EFYyJ4?t=1m41s)

Nuttyman54

03-04-2016, 13:13

PNW Auburn District, Qual 28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNkYbtyv3AU

Not sure if it counts, 4060 dies early in the match but gets pushed around and ends up in front of the moat. 4681 gets stuck on top of 4060 trying to come back over the moat. 3237 puts forth a valiant effort to break their partners free, but with 3 seconds left in the match, manages to ride up on 4060's bumpers and get themselves stuck as well. It's a little hard to tell if 3237 is actually stuck or just stopped trying, but their wheels appear to be free of the ground.

Poor 4681 is alive and powered the entire time. You can see them desperately twitching trying to break free even after 3237 , but don't have enough traction to do so. Perhaps most ironically, 4681's team name is "Murphy's Law".

Because 4060 wasn't disabled by a defense, I don't know if it's a true Triple Tortuga.

Joe Johnson

03-04-2016, 13:48

AGPapa

04-04-2016, 16:46

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y-rm8N1AA6c&t=2h55m

Red alliance match 68 at the MAR Bridgewater-Raritan Event appears to have a triple tortuga.

EDIT: Agh! The video doesn't show it. I know 1676 is recording each match, so there should be a video later.

And here's the new video! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny0LooCx1_I)

5624 and 6016 get stuck on the moat, and it seems like 4281 is stuck on the sally port. Given more time they may have been able to escape.

yonip

04-04-2016, 21:40

And here's the new video! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny0LooCx1_I)

5624 and 6016 get stuck on the moat, and it seems like 4281 is stuck on the sally port. Given more time they may have been able to escape.

it looks like 4281 lost a side of their drivetrain, so they drove into the side of the sallyport instead of driving straight. Dunno if that'd be a tortuga or just unfortunate damage from a the defenses/field.

Joe Johnson

04-04-2016, 22:29

it looks like 4281 lost a side of their drivetrain, so they drove into the side of the sallyport instead of driving straight. Dunno if that'd be a tortuga or just unfortunate damage from a the defenses/field.

No, no, don't you dare try to take this one from me! They were in the process of crossing the Sally Port when they threw that chain and then they just did the "I've only got one side driving two step" for the balance of the match. But they definitely seemed stuck on that Sally Port Defense.

I am declaring this the 4th Triple Tortuga. AGPapa, PM me and we'll work out the details of the gift card (Amazon seems to be the popular choice these days).

Nice find.

Dr. Joe J.

Landonh12

07-04-2016, 20:02

Triple Tortuga at SVR in practice match 21:

http://imgur.com/FxE1h1x

GeeTwo

07-04-2016, 21:00

..Dunno if that'd be a tortuga or just unfortunate damage from a the defenses/field.

From post #24 in this thread (emphasis mine):

There have been a few legal eagles asking for the definition of what it means to be "tortugaed*"

It is a little like art, in that we'll know it when we see it, but a good working definition is that a robot is tortugaed when it stuck or disabled while attempting to traverse or helping another robot traverse a defense. Stuck should be broadly interpreted.

Dr. Joe has already ruled, but it's comforting to recognize that it's consistent with his own guidelines.

Hallry

08-04-2016, 12:43

Video of a Triple Tortuga in Practice Match 21 at SVR: https://youtu.be/QDtyONxuFZY?t=18461

846 stuck on moat, 192 on Rough Terrain, and 114 on Portcullis.

Jarren Harkema

08-04-2016, 13:28

Video of a Triple Tortuga in Practice Match 21 at SVR: https://youtu.be/QDtyONxuFZY?t=18461

846 stuck on moat, 192 on Rough Terrain, and 114 on Portcullis.

OH MY GOODNESS. We need a gif of all the robots just flailing like beached whales. I do have to say, 114 really looks like they did that for kicks and giggles. Mission accomplished I say!

Hallry

08-04-2016, 14:05

OH MY GOODNESS. We need a gif of all the robots just flailing like beached whales.

Ask and you shall receive:

https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiQyFx7ZE6xzjSGB2/giphy.gif

orangemoore

08-04-2016, 20:42

I know this doesn't count but I caught the very end.

https://youtu.be/Qt2lTLC4IXw

SVR Triple Tortuga.

RoboChair

08-04-2016, 20:52

SVR triple Tortuga
https://imgur.com/fHfLJVdl https://goo.gl/photos/h3pmFBPgi1BuAQ5z9

roboboy941

08-04-2016, 20:59

Our unfortunate triple tortuga at SVR with our alliance partners during match 56. Here is the photo from our team photographer at field side. http://i.imgur.com/oiZzmsx.png

Hallry

09-04-2016, 10:01

Video of a Triple Tortuga in Practice Match 21 at SVR: https://youtu.be/QDtyONxuFZY?t=18461

846 stuck on moat, 192 on Rough Terrain, and 114 on Portcullis.

And for multiple camera views of this Triple Tortuga: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBEgC-lZ36Q&feature=youtu.be&t=18476

Hallry

09-04-2016, 19:07

And here's video of the Triple Tortuga from SVR Qual. 56: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnBQ3E167ig&feature=youtu.be&t=30903. Looks like the Ramparts caught all three red robots...

roboboy941

10-04-2016, 00:09

Looks like the Ramparts caught all three red robots...

It wasn't the ramparts for our team(604) so much as it was the ball that we went over before going over the ramparts. :/

Hallry

10-04-2016, 20:32

It wasn't the ramparts for our team(604) so much as it was the ball that we went over before going over the ramparts. :/

You're right, that boulder got caught by the Ramparts. Here are some more views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMbcgqc7QnY&feature=youtu.be&t=33705

AustinSchuh

11-04-2016, 03:01

SVR triple Tortuga
https://imgur.com/fHfLJVdl https://goo.gl/photos/h3pmFBPgi1BuAQ5z9

253's fuse fell out of their PDB for their radio (I think, could have been the RIO), disabling them. 5824 then got stuck on top of them and then 604 came to join the party. That was quite a match.

Joe Johnson

13-04-2016, 21:02

Video of a Triple Tortuga in Practice Match 21 at SVR: https://youtu.be/QDtyONxuFZY?t=18461

846 stuck on moat, 192 on Rough Terrain, and 114 on Portcullis.

I think if it were an official match I'd give it to you but not for a practice.

No Cigar.

Dr. Joe J.

Joe Johnson

13-04-2016, 21:26

It wasn't the ramparts for our team(604) so much as it was the ball that we went over before going over the ramparts. :/

Don't you DARE try to take this Triple T away from us. No, no. That ball played a part, yes, but without the Rampart their is no Tortuga. A defense played a role, we're giving it the 5th and Final Triple Tortuga of the 2016 Season.

Hallry, PM with details about how you want your gift card (Amazon has been by far the most popular choice but I am open to others).

To all the rest of ya'all, keep a sharp eye out for the great white whale of Tortugas, the elusive, Double Triple Tortuga. I don't suppose it will happen this late in the season, but there is still a $50 gift card on the line if you can share the link to it.

Very fun contest. Thanks for playing.

Cheers,
Dr. Joe J.

P.S. I have lost track of this thread -- I wasn't trying to skate on a debt, I was really just ignorant that the 5th Triple T had been found.

P.P.S. I LOVE watching these videos. I rewind them and watch them over and over. I know what's coming, but heaven help me, I can't but laugh out loud (really not an lol) each time I see the hand of fate play out over and over. Oh look they are trying to come to the rescue. Will they be in time to save them? Look out, there's a ball. Oh no, the ball is under them. It's rolling toward the rampart. It's... ...I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THEY GOT TIPPED LIKE THAT! rewind...