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paul.dornfeld
23-01-2016, 23:03
If the boulder is kept in front of the bot with no boulder "inside" it?

rich2202
23-01-2016, 23:13
Technically, that would be Herding, and is a valid method of controlling a boulder. As long as you do not control more than one boulder at a time, that is fine.

paul.dornfeld
23-01-2016, 23:15
Technically, that would be Herding, and is a valid method of controlling a boulder. As long as you do not control more than one boulder at a time, that is fine.

Great! Thank you so much.

paul.dornfeld
23-01-2016, 23:19
Follow up.

If I didn't want the risk of foul by driving through my opponent's secret passage, I would have to "heard" the boulder through one of the defenses, which would double up as weakening it (provided all the parameters for weakening are met), true?

Edxu
23-01-2016, 23:25
Follow up.

If I didn't want the risk of foul by driving through my opponent's secret passage, I would have to "heard" the boulder through one of the defenses, which would double up as weakening it (provided all the parameters for weakening are met), true?

Uh, you could probably reread the rules for crossing defenses.

If you cross into THEIR courtyard through THEIR secret passage, it's not risking a foul, it IS a foul. In fact, it's a tech foul if you do it a few times.

The only way you're allowed to enter the opponent's courtyard is through a defense in the OUTER WORKS.

Back on topic: In your situation, I believe that the described method is a valid way to have a ball enter the opponent's courtyard, as you're correct in that you're herding the ball, which is considered control

paul.dornfeld
23-01-2016, 23:33
Uh, you could probably reread the rules for crossing defenses.

If you cross into THEIR courtyard through THEIR secret passage, it's not risking a foul, it IS a foul. In fact, it's a tech foul if you do it a few times.

The only way you're allowed to enter the opponent's courtyard is through a defense in the OUTER WORKS.

Back on topic: In your situation, I believe that the described method is a valid way to have a ball enter the opponent's courtyard, as you're correct in that you're herding the ball, which is considered control

Whoa! Thanks for the clarification. Helps a lot.

GreyingJay
23-01-2016, 23:36
Yes, remember, it's a "secret passage" to get into their castle and bypass their own defenses. Meaning ostensibly only their own alliance knows about it and knows how to use it. As far as your alliance is concerned, it doesn't even exist (which is essentially how the rules frame it).

Christopher149
23-01-2016, 23:45
Also relevant is G40:

A ROBOT may not cause a BOULDER to move from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s COURTYARD unless:

A. the ROBOT contacts the BOULDER within OUTER WORKS, and
B. the ROBOT completes its CROSSING (e.g. doesn’t completely back out of the OUTER WORKS into the NEUTRAL ZONE)


So, you may herd the boulder up and over a defense, and it can even roll away from you into the courtyard, but you must complete your crossing of the defense right there.

paul.dornfeld
23-01-2016, 23:53
Yes, remember, it's a "secret passage" to get into their castle and bypass their own defenses. Meaning ostensibly only their own alliance knows about it and knows how to use it. As far as your alliance is concerned, it doesn't even exist (which is essentially how the rules frame it).

Yes, that makes sense. Thank you.

paul.dornfeld
23-01-2016, 23:54
Also relevant is G40:



So, you may herd the boulder up and over a defense, and it can even roll away from you into the courtyard, but you must complete your crossing of the defense right there.

Very good to know. Thank you.