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Hello everyone. I got thinking a bit the other night, about autonomous, and where our robot will go, what it will do, etc. It made me wonder, where will the other two robots be when we're doing our autonomous? Is everyone going under the low bar, or ending up right in front of the middle of the castle? What sort of common robot positions should we "play around" when planning our own autonomous?
So I'll get the ball(boulder?) rolling. We have 2 autonomous options.
1. Start in front of the low bar, drive under it, shoot a low goal. Begin teleop somewhere near the left batter. We would only stay on the left side of the field.
OR
2. Cross a category B/D defense. End near the edge of that defense, in the opponent's courtyard. We would stay very close to the edge of the outerworks the whole time.
So feel free to post whatever information you want to about where your robot will go during auto, where it will end, etc. I just figured this might be useful stuff for everyone to know when they consider their auto options, and whether they may hit other bots.
Joseph Smith
29-01-2016, 07:46
Forward, probably.
We're actually planning on developing a number of different autonomous routines, to be as flexible as possible with regard to position and defenses.
Of course, where we're planning to go and where we actually go are rarely ever the same (at first anyway.)
We're planning for our primary auto to be cross a passive defense (not necessarily the low bar) and shoot a high goal.
Stretch goal is to do any of the three roles to defeat the drawbridge or sally port during auto:
As spybot, drive 3/4 across the defense, wait 2 seconds, back out and clear the defense, shoot high, (optional) drive to the low bar, cross twice.
Wait 2 seconds, drive to 1/4 on platform, wait 1 second, advance the length of the robot, wait 2 seconds, clear the defense and shoot high.
Wait 4 seconds, advance to 1/4 on platform, wait 2 seconds, clear the defense and shoot high.
MrJohnston
29-01-2016, 08:01
We are also likely to have multiple autonomous routines... Our programmers completely confident that we'll be able to have enough "go through and score a boulder" routines that we'll be okay with any defensive configuration and group of alliance partners.... They are also working on developing a far more interesting autonomous routine that won't likely have as much flexibility - and that will present a really good challenge.
Of course all of that will be for naught if we don't get them the robot soon...
As spybot, drive 3/4 across the defense, wait 2 seconds, back out and clear the defense, shoot high, (optional) drive to the low bar, cross twice.
I'm pretty sure you won't get any points for "crossing twice", see the top of page 31 of the game manual. Once you've crossed any defense in auto, crossing any other times doesn't earn any other points or weaken any other defenses.
Right now we're looking at one autonomous routine which will handle 5 of the 9 defenses, in 3 categories.
KrazyCarl92
29-01-2016, 10:06
I predict that most of the best teams will end autonomous in the neutral zone.
I predict that most of the best teams will end autonomous in the neutral zone.
Will you still get the auto points for crossing a defense if you end the auto period in the neutral zone? Are the points "assessed" once your robot clears the defense, and they stay even if you return to the neutral zone?
As spybot, drive 3/4 across the defense, wait 2 seconds, back out and clear the defense, shoot high, (optional) drive to the low bar, cross twice.
I'm pretty sure you won't get any points for "crossing twice", see the top of page 31 of the game manual. Once you've crossed any defense in auto, crossing any other times doesn't earn any other points or weaken any other defenses.
Sorry that wasn't clear: twice means once going from the courtyard to the neutral zone (non-scoring) and once going back into the courtyard (scoring). I should have said traverse it twice.
Hitchhiker 42
29-01-2016, 11:10
We are probably going to cross a defense (any one we can to be flexible) and shoot a high goal. If we make it, yay!, if we don't, we can pick it up in tele-op and shoot again. Vision definetly
Kevin Leonard
29-01-2016, 11:12
I predict that most of the best teams will end autonomous in the neutral zone.
I predict most teams will end autonomous in the neutral zone- whether that's intentional or not!
Robomarfa
29-01-2016, 11:34
I'm hoping for a repeat of our Rookie Recycle Rush first practice match where we mistakenly programmed in 15 seconds of full speed into autonomous and proceeded to launch off the scoring platform and lay waste to the landfill. And the carpet. Totes everywhere!
Wayne TenBrink
29-01-2016, 15:12
We plan to go to Standish and West Michigan for our autonomous. If it works out, we might go to Michigan State Championship with it.
Were planning on having upwards of 20 different auto routines we can cycle through on the fly. They will allow us to tackle category A and B along with the lowbar and spybot. From there we can choose which of the 2 low goals we are aiming for.
This will hopefully allow us to never have to worry about if our partners need a certain category of defense, or worry about what goals they're going for.
Tom Line
29-01-2016, 16:32
We're planning on the old auto standby of spinning in place. It's a oldie but a goodie.
EricLeifermann
29-01-2016, 17:12
Einstein Winning! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dscVi4kKGss&feature=youtu.be)
Rangel(kf7fdb)
29-01-2016, 17:18
Go over one of the three middle defenses that don't require a manipulator to clear and then score a ball in the high goal.
Daniel_LaFleur
29-01-2016, 20:40
We're planning on the old auto standby of spinning in place. It's a oldie but a goodie.
Hey, it worked in Lunacy ::safety::
Joseph Smith
29-01-2016, 22:43
We're planning on the old auto standby of spinning in place. It's a oldie but a goodie.
I seem to remember that happening during our very first attempt at autonomous back in 2011... Until now I thought that was an accident :D
MaGiC_PiKaChU
31-01-2016, 05:16
has anyone considered a 2 ball autonomous starting as spybot? Just got the drive base to do the path and it seems like a good option
Einstein Winning! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dscVi4kKGss&feature=youtu.be)
Cool cartoon, but I don't think crossing one defense, scoring one boulder, and scaling, even with auto bonuses, will get you to Saturday afternoon much less victory on Einstein. Also make sure that those legs don't extend out so far that the bumpers come out of the zone before you leave the carpet.
PayneTrain
31-01-2016, 10:21
An evergreen autonomous strategy from a renowned and veteran FRC programming mentor (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1439051#post1439051).
An evergreen autonomous strategy from a renowned and veteran FRC programming mentor (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1439051#post1439051).
This year, you have the option of driving over one of them. :D
EricLeifermann
31-01-2016, 10:41
Cool cartoon, but I don't think crossing one defense, scoring one boulder, and scaling, even with auto bonuses, will get you to Saturday afternoon much less victory on Einstein. Also make sure that those legs don't extend out so far that the bumpers come out of the zone before you leave the carpet.
It's not my cartoon. Was done by Ryan from 2338/1732 and shown in a recent episode of FUN.
has anyone considered a 2 ball autonomous starting as spybot? Just got the drive base to do the path and it seems like a good option
Yes, one of our key design choices along with scaling, HG/LG and crossings. Hope we pull it off.
has anyone considered a 2 ball autonomous starting as spybot? Just got the drive base to do the path and it seems like a good option
You can never have more than one ball (nor can you be loaded with more than one at the start), so unless you're talking about shooting the ball, moving into the neutral zone, sucking up a ball from the midline (w/out breaking the plane of the midline) then crossing a defense, and shooting again, your strategy isn't really allowed.
And if that is what you're talking about, I'm not certain that it's doable in under 15 seconds.
MrJohnston
31-01-2016, 14:50
You can never have more than one ball (nor can you be loaded with more than one at the start), so unless you're talking about shooting the ball, moving into the neutral zone, sucking up a ball from the midline (w/out breaking the plane of the midline) then crossing a defense, and shooting again, your strategy isn't really allowed.
And if that is what you're talking about, I'm not certain that it's doable in under 15 seconds.
I believe the timing is doable, if you specifically design your robot to accomplish the task. The risk is having a small miscalculation or misjudgment based on the slight variations on the field from venue to venue or in the (often unpredictable) actions of your alliance members during autonomous play. What makes this trickier than the three-tote autonomous routine last year is that the price of an error is a foul... In other words, you have to really have it dialed in before its worth trying.
staplemonx
31-01-2016, 15:29
Here is what we have planned and the order in which we be developing auton modes.
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12vFAcSREvJfE5RrZfuRYfynR5xnswmhcUZLZnWsH3tg/edit?usp=sharing
Here is what we have planned and the order in which we be developing auton modes.
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12vFAcSREvJfE5RrZfuRYfynR5xnswmhcUZLZnWsH3tg/edit?usp=sharing
Your last couple slides are impossible as you will not have low bar there, rest is what we are planning too.
MaGiC_PiKaChU
31-01-2016, 16:40
You can never have more than one ball (nor can you be loaded with more than one at the start), so unless you're talking about shooting the ball, moving into the neutral zone, sucking up a ball from the midline (w/out breaking the plane of the midline) then crossing a defense, and shooting again, your strategy isn't really allowed.
And if that is what you're talking about, I'm not certain that it's doable in under 15 seconds.
That's definetly doable under 15 seconds. Hard, sure, but it's possible
I'm hoping for a repeat of our Rookie Recycle Rush first practice match where we mistakenly programmed in 15 seconds of full speed into autonomous and proceeded to launch off the scoring platform and lay waste to the landfill. And the carpet. Totes everywhere!
That sounds AMAZING! Any video footage!
Our team is planning on starting in the neutral zone with a boulder, and then crossing a category A/B/D defense and shooting into the high goal. These are the following programs we plan to have set up:
1. Start with boulder in neutral, cross defense B/D and shoot
2. Start with boulder in neutral, cross defense A and shoot
3. Start without boulder in neutral, cross defense B/D
4. Start without boulder in neutral, cross defense A
5. Start as spy bot with boulder in front of robot, move out of the way so alliance partner can shoot and then pick up the ball we're "controlling" and shoot that as well.
Zebra_Fact_Man
07-02-2016, 23:13
Where are we going? Well...
Over the defense and through the courtyard to Blue Alliance's Tower we go. The bot knows the way to carry the ball through the row of Outer Works.
Where are we going? Well...
Over the defense and through the courtyard to Blue Alliance's Tower we go. The bot knows the way to carry the ball through the row of Outer Works.
Whoa, Solomon! What if you are on the blue alliance? Then what?!?!? :p :D
Zebra_Fact_Man
08-02-2016, 06:13
Whoa, Solomon! What if you are on the blue alliance? Then what?!?!? :p :D
Well... our alliance partners might not like us then.
Oops.
Reach a defense at a minimum. Any more than that, we're not sure yet.
Mineboy2300
15-02-2016, 11:59
We are planning on having an autonomous to go through almost any defense and score a low goal. We haven't figured out how to do the sally port yet but our programmers are working on it. I would like to have our robot turn around at the end of autonomous and return to either the edge of the defenses or return through the lowbar to be ready for teleop.
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