BIG!!! Championship Location in Question [Archive]

Madison

27-09-2002, 21:27

Originally posted by Miss Tree

Please! no defecating in the stream!

Ewwwwwww.

Maybe they're moving us to the Magic Kingdom? ;)

I'd be really surprised if things with Disney went south (rimshot?), but it's not outside the realm of possibility. Is Greg Hale working between Disney and FIRST still, or was he 'promoted' out of that position?

In the end, though, I think losing Disney wouldn't be a very good thing for FIRST, at all, ever. Yes, I'm biased, but that's not why I'm saying that.

I hope things get worked out. If they want to raise the prices of the package, that's okay, I guess, but maybe they can make other provisions that'll allow for flexibility in team travel arrangements.

Chris Nowak

27-09-2002, 21:51

Holy cow, thats crazy. I hope they find some other place to do it which is just as entertaining though. Although it being held in some isolated place would eliminate the motivation for students to work just for the trip, it just wouldn't be fun. Aside from that, where could it possibly be held? I'm at a loss for ideas besides Disney Land. I mean, theres really no place else in the us that could be equivalent to Disney World. It's Disney World!

@!#@!#@!#@!#....If they're going to raise the price of the package that really sucks for us with budget cuts and all....

Matt Attallah

27-09-2002, 22:53

Mabye in Miami? There is no city...or state for that matter! Mabye it will be in Michigan!! YEA!...

I gotta stop dreaming....:rolleyes:

Amber H.

28-09-2002, 10:26

Originally posted by Michael Krass

Ewwwwwww.

Maybe they're moving us to the Magic Kingdom? ;)

I'd be really surprised if things with Disney went south (rimshot?), but it's not outside the realm of possibility. Is Greg Hale working between Disney and FIRST still, or was he 'promoted' out of that position?

In the end, though, I think losing Disney wouldn't be a very good thing for FIRST, at all, ever. Yes, I'm biased, but that's not why I'm saying that.

I hope things get worked out. If they want to raise the prices of the package, that's okay, I guess, but maybe they can make other provisions that'll allow for flexibility in team travel arrangements.

The Magic Kingdom? They're having it at Dean's house?

Rob Colatutto

28-09-2002, 15:54

maybe they are gonna move it to disney in ca, that would be pretty cool

D.J. Fluck

28-09-2002, 16:05

Originally posted by Nataku
maybe they are gonna move it to disney in ca, that would be pretty cool

Ive been told multiple times that Disneyland in California does not have the capacity to hold that many people and they dont have a venue that was as good as epcot...

Time to revive the alternate championship location thread??

MBiddy

28-09-2002, 16:07

In the middle of Arizona desert. With scorpions. Mmmmm, scorpions.

Mike375

28-09-2002, 16:13

I for one truly want the championship moved elsewhere. This really had to be a no-brainer for FIRST, since as costs of attending the national increase, the number of teams that can attend decrease. That simple fact stands against FIRST's mission to reach all students. While you could argue that a team can attend just a regional, I think all teams should have the opportunity to participate in the excitement of the national.

That being said, where could this year's championship wind up. The way i see it, there's two requirements, a giant empty parking lot and a lot of hotels nearby. The latter of the two requirements lead me to believe it would have to be in a major city. While I'd love to have a hometown national in NYC, having an outdoor field here would be tough, since April can still be a little chilly here. But I have this strange feeling we might end up in Washington DC. Theres a lot more media centered in DC, then in the swampland of FL, so I think media coverage would be greater, which seems to be a big concern to FIRST in all their writings as of late.

Now's the time for FIRST to say goodbye
To all our company
M-I-C - See ya never again!
K-E-Y - Why? Because you're so expensive!
M-O-U-S-E!!

-Mike 375

Mike Rush

28-09-2002, 18:52

Its funny you should mention DC as this was my first thought when seeing the 'Orlando' location removed from the website. I'm ready for a change... Can't wait to see the Smithsonian......:)

Madison

28-09-2002, 19:10

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck

Ive been told multiple times that Disneyland in California does not have the capacity to hold that many people and they dont have a venue that was as good as epcot...

Time to revive the alternate championship location thread??

Disneyland does not have any room at all. DJ's right.

Disneyland's former parking lot is now Disney's California Adventure, The Grand Californian Hotel, and and Downtown Disney. Parking is handled by several smaller satellite lots and a large "Mickey & Friends" parking structure.

However, the Anaheim Convention Center is across the street.

Again, I'll restate that I strongly believe that moving the Championship Event to any generic city, arena, or site will be severely detrimental to FIRST's 'mission'.

To involve as many students as possible, and especially as FIRST continues to grow, the organization needs as much exposure and support as possible. The scope of this isn't entirely evident to most everyone I've ever spoken to, and I'd anticipate that to be the case throughout the rest of the population. You can throw around numbers all you'd like, but there's very, very little that paints a clear picture of the true scope of the competition.

When you say, however, that FIRST is the largest event housed at Walt Disney World, you send that message loud and clear. Everybody knows where Walt Disney World is, everyone knows what it looks like, and everyone knows of the reputation (albeit faltering) for high quality, family-oriented entertainment and programming.

When you say that 450 teams from high schools across the nation (or world, for that matter), gather at RFK Stadium for a Championship event, it doesn't hold the same impact. Silverdome what? The Phoenix Convention center? Woop-dee-doo. There aren't many names that you can drop that are bigger than Walt Disney World.

Joe Matt

28-09-2002, 20:09

Name alone is good. I had a chance to go to DL and let me tell you that 10,000 kids there would mean utter gridlock. All of Disneyland Resort can fit neatly on the MK, Contempoaray, and the Seven Seas Lagoon.

Christine G.

28-09-2002, 20:48

How about holding it in Salt Lake City or Atlanta where the Olympics were held? They have the hotels and the space for ALL the teams without limiting the Championship to 290 teams.

Saying the Championship was held in the Olympic Village would definitely show how big FIRST is!

Just my 2 cents

MattK

28-09-2002, 20:51

I think we should have them @ Dean's house.

Joel J

28-09-2002, 21:00

<space>Hrm.. what if it was just a typo? I don't really care where they decide to hold the Championship Event, as long as its not in May. There you go, Joel being selfish..</space>

D.J. Fluck

28-09-2002, 21:03

2003 Championships in Indianapolis....

enough said........

What other city has held people for the 3 largest and most famous races in the US and the Final 4, on multiple occasions....

o and not to mention the 2002 Host of the World Basketball Championships

Madison

28-09-2002, 21:16

Originally posted by Christine G.
How about holding it in Salt Lake City or Atlanta where the Olympics were held? They have the hotels and the space for ALL the teams without limiting the Championship to 290 teams.

Saying the Championship was held in the Olympic Village would definitely show how big FIRST is!

Just my 2 cents

...did you want to evict the people that are currently living in the Olympic villages?

Usually, Olympic venues are designed with the future in mind, and housing is demolished or used as, erm, housing. It doesn't sit vacant.

FIRST, as much as we'd like to think so, won't fill a stadium. Even the Championships.

mtaman02

28-09-2002, 21:20

I for one is hoping that it is held in FL but in another way hoping that it isn't. Yes its a rather expensive trip from SI to FL. Then Food and Hotel Accomodations etc... but in a way your getting your monies worth b/c u get to go to all the Disney amusement parks.

But in the long run I agree with Mike375. The championship should be moved from FL to either Salt Lake Utah Home of the 2002 Olympics or the what I call Media District Washington DC.

I to would like to see it held in NYC but... we don't have a huge parking lot anywhere and our hotels are scattered across the city.

Deans got a nice size amount of property. Lets have the Nationals in the home of the Kick-Off Event.

Madison

28-09-2002, 21:25

Originally posted by Team522 Captain

Deans got a nice size amount of property. Lets have the Nationals in the home of the Kick-Off Event.

Kick-Off was held in the Verizon Wireless Arena in Manch-vegas, not Dean's home. It used to be in his hangar, which, while impressive, isn't even large enough to house a regional; or a mini-competition, for that matter. His property is on a hillside :/

mtaman02

28-09-2002, 21:35

all dean has to do is pave a a nice size parking lot about half the size of NH put up a stadium for about 6 stages and put up nearly 300 30 story hotels.

Too much money huh. asking for a wee bit too much.

still I say move it some where, where theres alot of media coverage. or move it to a near empty state. North Dakota or something. hehe.

I am the most selfish person when I see change. I like the way things were.

Ashley Weed

28-09-2002, 21:52

YIPPEE!!! Change the venue! NO more FL! Sorry, I don't like FL, northerners aren't fond of the heat, well at least not me. I could think of many places I would rather go than FL. I wouldn't mind a lot of them that have already been mentioned. I would even go to California if it meant I could see the Pacific and Disneyland!

Joe Matt

28-09-2002, 22:27

Everyone is saying that they should move it so it's cheeper. WRONG! It won't be. Everyone flies to FL for vacation, so the fairs are cheep. Nobody flies on vacation to here or there, or if they do, it will still be expensive. DC, although good, is still a huge city that would be jamed if 10,000 kids ran through it.

WDW is cheepest and handles the croweds the best period. No more questions.

Joe3

28-09-2002, 23:15

MattK

29-09-2002, 00:16

I think DC would be a awsome choice, transpertation is Dirt Cheap (metro) and there are plenty of places to stay. Although I think 10,000 kids would be a BIT much I dunno.

Anyway, I CALL THE LINCON BEDROOM!

I also think it would be easier for more teams to drive, from Manch-vegas NH its only 6 hours or less. Teams from the north and south would be able to drive

D.J. Fluck

29-09-2002, 01:01

Originally posted by Joe3
[I]Everyone is saying that they should move it so it's cheeper. WRONG! It won't be. Everyone flies to FL for vacation, so the fairs are cheep. I]

Flying to florida is cheap....

Hotels, food and every other expense isnt...

Joe Ross

29-09-2002, 03:06

I heard a rumor that because of the easter holiday, the only two dates that were availible at disney were the week right after the last set of regionals, and may. in either case, people would be mad. If they move nationals people will be be mad too.

I'm just glad I don't have to make that call.

Madison

29-09-2002, 08:50

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck

Flying to florida is cheap....

Hotels, food and every other expense isnt...

They're really not much more expensive than anything you'd find in a major city, though.

Sure, in Boondocks, Iowa, a team can stay at a Motel 6 for $12 a night or something. If you want Nats to be in New York City, Washington, or likewise, you're going to pay through the nose for it.

I'd rather pay a bit more and have the benefit of being in Walt Disney World than pay a comparable sum and find myself trapped in the swamps of Maryland with nothing to do.

Wayne C.

29-09-2002, 11:11

a few thoughts-

MGM Studios (is Battlebots cancelled?)

Six Flags (all over creation!!!!- choices)

Hmmmm.....

Madison

29-09-2002, 15:09

Originally posted by Wayne C.
a few thoughts-

MGM Studios (is Battlebots cancelled?)

Universal Studios. MGM is still affiliated with Disney's park, the Disney-MGM Studios.

While Battlebots may have been cancelled, I'm not certain who that effects Battlebots IQ. Universal doesn't have the facilities to hold an event of our size anyway. Parking there is also in a garage (the largest in the world), and the Battlebots events took place in a soundstage, if I had to take a guess. A soundstage can't house FIRST. 6 of them? Maybe, but that assumes that there's no filming taking place.

In awhile, though, there may never, ever be filming taking place since Vivendi wants to dump the parks onto someone else - effectively severing their ties with Universal Studios.

Six Flags (all over creation!!!!- choices)

Edit. Just no. Uh uh. I'd suggest Cedar Fair over Six Flags, but it's not really pertinent. Our big event takes place before a majority of seasonal parks open.

Joe Matt

29-09-2002, 17:49

AHAH! MGM DOSE NOT EQUAL UNIVERSAL! AHAhAhAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Must kill.......

Wayne C.

29-09-2002, 19:49

sorry- one studio is another. Don't kill me!!!!

Ashley Weed

29-09-2002, 22:06

Is it deffinate that when registration opens October 1st all dates, venues, locations and events will be confirmed? Can FIRST leave Championship Event, USA, TBA, 2003 up when people are registering or will it be determined? Has this happened before? Just wondering......:confused:

THE CLOCK IS TICKING....

Mike375

29-09-2002, 22:40

From the 2003 Event Registration Welcome Letter:
Several events are still marked "TBD" until we can confirm contracts with the venues. Event registration for these events will be closed until they are clearly posted with a site and date.

FIRST covered their collective posterior with this statement. Basically the way I read it, until they decide where/when the Championship and Pittsburgh Regional will be no one can register for them. I'm highly doubting that when I log on to the event list database on Monday morning these competitions, particularly the championship, will have a location/date. I would assume when they get a site/day they'll tell us what day they plan to open registration for the Championship.

RBrandy

29-09-2002, 22:52

i think it should be held in the parking lot of the local Wal-Mart Super Center here in Appleton, WI

Ashley Weed

30-09-2002, 07:54

New Orleans would be interesting......

Joe Matt

30-09-2002, 08:07

Originally posted by weedie
New Orleans would be interesting......
At DISNEYLAND! New Orleans Square? Huh? Huh? What?
Anyway....
New Orleans would kinda be huanting, I wouldn't do that...

D.J. Fluck

30-09-2002, 09:20

This hasnt been confirmed yet that FIRST dropped Disney....

What is everyone getting so excited for already?

Im sure someone at FIRST was editing the site and they forgot to put back EPCOT as the venue....but that isnt confirmed yet either...

so all we can do now is sit back and wait for an announcement

Katie Reynolds

30-09-2002, 09:39

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck
This hasnt been confirmed yet that FIRST dropped Disney....

What is everyone getting so excited for already?

Im sure someone at FIRST was editing the site and they forgot to put back EPCOT as the venue....but that isnt confirmed yet either...

so all we can do now is sit back and wait for an announcement

Yeah, I'm just not going to worry about it ... unless of course it is in Appleton's Walmart Ryan ... ;)

It could go either way. In any case, there's not much we can do about it, right?

- Katie

Greg Perkins

30-09-2002, 09:50

Originally posted by Team522 Captain
all dean has to do is pave a a nice size parking lot about half the size of NH put up a stadium for about 6 stages and put up nearly 300 30 story hotels.

Too much money huh. asking for a wee bit too much.

still I say move it some where, where theres alot of media coverage. or move it to a near empty state. North Dakota or something. hehe.

I am the most selfish person when I see change. I like the way things were.

Hey, NH is fairly good sized, although u r right, not enoguh hotels in the area, but plenty of wooded areas, byot (bring your own tent!) hey we could have it in my backyard, o wait, i live in a residential neighborhood, no room, o darn

badjokeguy

Tom Schindler

30-09-2002, 10:08

I'm not sure when this was updated, but they changed the Championship location from blank to "TBD"

Wierd.... i guess that rules out the removed it and forgot to re-enter it theory.... unless they are playing mind games with us...

Who knows!

Tom

iceman_21

30-09-2002, 10:35

seems to me that baseball is heading south. Tampa and Montreal might not exist next year. Tampa has a HUGE stadium and if FIRST wants they could have their own official venue there. That way you still get cheap flights into FL, and teams with the funds can still make that special day trip to Orlando to reward their members. Seems to me you can fit 6 fields on a baseball field and the pits could be spread throughout the ground floor of a stadium. Plus the FIRST atmosphere would rule in that setting. Just an idea.

US FIRST STADIUM. YAYAYAYAYYAYA

Joe Matt

30-09-2002, 10:40

I think were reading to much into this. Do we think the one guy who wrote this one day before lunch break reall is in the "know"? He probably just didn't fill it out, uploaded it, and then went to Arbys...

A. Leese

30-09-2002, 10:49

*hopes the comp is still in Florida*

If not, I no go...*tear* unless someone wants to either bribe my rents into letting me spend my bank account or pay for me *nudges a random stranger*

how about using ProPlayer Stadium (im used to the old name..forgive me if im wrong) in Miami? heaven knows marlins fans could care less if they couldnt watch spring training....

Elgin Clock

30-09-2002, 12:20

Two Words, Vegas Baby!!!!

Mike Schroeder

30-09-2002, 15:35

Two Words - Meadowlands (oh wait thats one word) anyway umm everyone can come to New Jersey who cares if there ain't no room on the roads, we have a bad public transportation, but we got the Meadowlands

Madison

30-09-2002, 15:38

Originally posted by Mr.Volcano
Two Words - Meadowlands (oh wait thats one word) anyway umm everyone can come to New Jersey who cares if there ain't no room on the roads, we have a bad public transportation, but we got the Meadowlands

For the Team Social, we can all trudge out into the swamps and look for Jimmy Hoffa!!

Joe Matt

30-09-2002, 15:52

Originally posted by Michael Krass

For the Team Social, we can all trudge out into the swamps and look for Jimmy Hoffa!!

FIRST- Building robots and solving mysteries. Next years expedition will be finding Nessie. Followed by a lovely voyage to the Alps to find the Yetti!

Collin Fultz

30-09-2002, 16:13

Originally posted by Elgin Clock
Two Words, Vegas Baby!!!!
AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN. Vegas would be perfect. it's a little west but not too much. lots and lots of hotels. all we need is a venue...thinking thinking thinking...outskirts of LV there has to be something. maybe we can meet the people from CSI...:D the only problem would be the open ness to gambling and drinking etc. hey, wasn't there a thread about jello shots earlier? hmmmmm.........

to resurect an old debate
DOWN WITH DISNEY

Katie Reynolds

30-09-2002, 16:23

Originally posted by collin234

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN. Vegas would be perfect. it's a little west but not too much. lots and lots of hotels. all we need is a venue...thinking thinking thinking...outskirts of LV there has to be something. maybe we can meet the people from CSI...:D the only problem would be the open ness to gambling and drinking etc. hey, wasn't there a thread about jello shots earlier? hmmmmm.........

to resurect an old debate
DOWN WITH DISNEY

Haven't we been over this before? Be a little more gracious, please. Remember, Disney has let us use their space for three straight days. They shut down a quarter of one of their facilities for us. The thing is, we are just getting too big for them. Disney has been great to us - "DOWN WITH DISNEY" is highly inappropriate. Think before you speak. :rolleyes:

- Katie

Mike Schroeder

30-09-2002, 16:39

Haven't we been over this before? Be a little more gracious, please. Remember, Disney has let us use their space for three straight days. They shut down a quarter of one of their facilities for us. The thing is, we are just getting too big for them. Disney has been great to us - "DOWN WITH DISNEY" is highly inappropriate. Think before you speak.

Yea what she said

Joe3

30-09-2002, 16:39

What about delaware? We could take over the whole state, and use the hotels and then set up a few fields in the farmlands of Slower Lower Delaware. The only problems I see is that the airports would all be 2-3 hours away, lack of public transportation, horrible roads, and that we would probably double the state population for a few days. What you think? As for entertainment, we can watch grass grow, as there isn't much else to do.

Madison

30-09-2002, 16:53

Originally posted by collin234

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN. Vegas would be perfect. it's a little west but not too much. lots and lots of hotels. all we need is a venue...thinking thinking thinking...outskirts of LV there has to be something.

There's a desert! Otherwise, nothing. There is only Las Vegas, and seeing how Dean got his panties in a twist over a rap video, Las Vegas seems out of the question; despite it's late 90's campaign to become a family destination.

to resurect an old debate
DOWN WITH DISNEY

Umm, okay.

I think it speaks volumes that nobody has been able to suggest a widely known, obviously available, right-sized, family-friendly venue. At all. FIRST is too big for most convention centers and too small for stadiums.

Disney is the perfect size, environment, and image for FIRST's partnership, I think. Amy mentioned something today that, whether you agree with the reasons or not, will be largely true - people will leave teams if Walt Disney World isn't in the picture. It may not be because they're not interested in FIRST, or because they're in it for the free trip, but because Walt Disney World is a visible, tangible, achievable goal. . . because people who haven't otherwise experienced FIRST know that, no matter what, they can have fun at the end.

Can anyone make any other realistic suggestions about venues that match that appeal, recognition, and practicality? I can't think of any.

Joe Matt

30-09-2002, 17:00

Amen Michael. Amen.

Everywhere that was mentioned had some flaw in it. Disney provides transportation, loding, entertainment, power (IMPORTANT), and a facilty. BTW, incase you forget, Epcot delets the whole imagine parking lot everytime FIRST comes, so there doing a huge favor here.

A tangable dream is very realistic too. Would you be more excited if you went to Walt Disney World than oh, Kansas City?

Kristina

30-09-2002, 17:23

Originally posted by collin234

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN. Vegas would be perfect. it's a little west but not too much. lots and lots of hotels. all we need is a venue...thinking thinking thinking...outskirts of LV there has to be something. maybe we can meet the people from CSI...:D the only problem would be the open ness to gambling and drinking etc. hey, wasn't there a thread about jello shots earlier? hmmmmm.........

to resurect an old debate
DOWN WITH DISNEY

I for one don't think Vegas is all that great. Its way too hot even for this California girl! Sure you can admire all the cool buildings but once you've been there once, that's pretty much there is to do since most things are catered to people who can gamble and see shows. Plus, if you want to see the CSI people, go to So Cal, Santa Clarita more specifically. They film that show in my valley all the time.

I agree with Michael that there doesn't really seem to be many good alternatives. As much as I don't like the state of Florida because of the humidity and people who can't vote (no offense you people from Florida) I think that was the best viable option.

And instead of fretting over something we really can't control, go fundraise or build something!

Andrew Rudolph

30-09-2002, 17:33

Does anyone else find it amusing that almost everyone is recomending CITIES to replace disney. It just shows the power of first. As for you people who siad miami woudl be good. I dont think so, the areas around anyplace that could house the fields is well...not the in the best part of town. Disney has that school....i forget the name, they were building it a few years back, but i know there are a bunch of stadiums there and alot of land. Or hey how about we take over the back half of Animal kingdom..That place is HUGE, i think its liek 4 miles long (the safari) Ahh i could see it now, for the closing cermonies...Lions, robots and bears, OH MY!!! I think we should all cross our fingers and hope that we get a venue as good as orlanod or disney for that matter.

Jim Giacchi

30-09-2002, 18:52

Originally posted by Michael Krass

For the Team Social, we can all trudge out into the swamps and look for Jimmy Hoffa!!

Man i could tell you weren't from New Jersey from your lack of knowledge.
EVERY Jerseyan knows that Hoffa is buried underneath the endzone.

Madison

30-09-2002, 18:57

Originally posted by Jim Giacchi

Man i could tell you weren't from New Jersey from your lack of knowledge.
EVERY Jerseyan knows that Hoffa is buried underneath the endzone.

Oh. Please forgive my grave error.

Heh. I'll be here all week, folks! :)

jon

30-09-2002, 19:29

Originally posted by Michael Krass
Heh. I'll be here all week, folks! :)

Then where will you be?

Amber H.

30-09-2002, 19:39

Originally posted by jon

Then where will you be?
He's taking a trip down to NJ to dig up Jimmy Hoffa since the location was conveniently given away. (traitor!).

Madison

30-09-2002, 19:45

Originally posted by Miss Tree

He's taking a trip down to NJ to dig up Jimmy Hoffa since the location was conveniently given away. (traitor!).

Then, I'm going to sell his bones to Michael Jackson.

Joe Matt

30-09-2002, 20:34

Sinc ya part of da family now, we must in-iti-ate you now.
Stick you left foot in a bucket, balance a glass of milk on your head, grab the hand of someone who has a buzzer on it, then try to get from the International Gateway to Test Track, in ,oh, 20 mins.

RBrandy

30-09-2002, 22:24

could be possible to centrally(sp?) locate Nationals in the US??? I think that could be it.... I cant think of anywhere at the moment. Any thoughts???

David Kelly

30-09-2002, 22:28

Indianapolis, IN. the CROSSROADS of America. Colts are thinking about leaving soon, so why not use the Hoosier Dome and Convention Center.

RBrandy

30-09-2002, 22:40

Originally posted by collin234

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN. Vegas would be perfect. it's a little west but not too much. lots and lots of hotels. all we need is a venue...thinking thinking thinking...outskirts of LV there has to be something. maybe we can meet the people from CSI...:D the only problem would be the open ness to gambling and drinking etc. hey, wasn't there a thread about jello shots earlier? hmmmmm.........

to resurect an old debate
DOWN WITH DISNEY

WOW i thought i said some stupid things

Andy Baker

30-09-2002, 23:48

Originally posted by David Kelly
Indianapolis, IN. the CROSSROADS of America. Colts are thinking about leaving soon, so why not use the Hoosier Dome and Convention Center.

While I don't think that the Colts will leave, the idea of having the FIRST Championships in Indy is a good one. I'll explain:

1. Location. Indy is central and many teams could drive here instead of fly. If only 25% of the attending teams would drive instead of fly, then these teams could save as much as $800,000 total.

2. Security. Indianapolis is pretty safe. All of the event locations would be in downtown or at the Speedway (?), and these places are in decent neighborhoods.

3. Event facilities. Downtown Indy has enough facilities to hold the Championships. Adjacent to the RCA Dome is a large convention center. Plenty of hotels are around and there are other things to do downtown (nice mall, good restaurants, etc.).

4. Intangibles. What if (and I'm dreaming here) FIRST could get the Indianapolis Motor Speedway as a venue? Now that would be pretty cool... much better than a parking lot outside of Epcot. Also... how about having John Mellencamp as entertainment for the team party. OK, so the students wouldn't like him, but us adults would get into it.

In my opinion, I would be sad if we left Epcot. I still feel that it costs too much money to attend the Championships there, but it is alot of fun, that's for sure. BUT, I think that many people are underestimating many students by saying that they would not be in FIRST if we didn't go to Disney. I think that if they put this in a Kansas cornfield, FIRST will still grow at a 40% rate.

Andy B.

Tom Schindler

01-10-2002, 00:31

Originally posted by Andy Baker

how about having John Mellencamp as entertainment for the team party. OK, so the students wouldn't like him, but us adults would get into it.

Andy B.

Bring on Mellencamp... thatd be AWESOME!

Tom

Joe Matt

01-10-2002, 08:45

Keep dreaming. Disney and Dean are sungg. Disney would bend over backwards to get more capacity to their hotel rooms. They are far behind, some 5,000 rooms too many right now. Plus, due to dwilinding attendence of all the parks, Disney would love to have 10,000 people for a captive audience.

D.J. Fluck

01-10-2002, 10:24

Originally posted by JosephM
Keep dreaming. Disney and Dean are sungg. Disney would bend over backwards to get more capacity to their hotel rooms. They are far behind, some 5,000 rooms too many right now. Plus, due to dwilinding attendence of all the parks, Disney would love to have 10,000 people for a captive audience.

Of course disney would be willing to hold an event for 10,000+ people...the problem with that is, will those 10,000+ people be able to afford it or want to pay for it....

Joe Matt

01-10-2002, 10:41

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck

Of course disney would be willing to hold an event for 10,000+ people...the problem with that is, will those 10,000+ people be able to afford it or want to pay for it....

But, my post was making the point that Disney would go over backwards (read: reduce prices and increase bennifits) to keep FIRST. It looks good for their pocket books and attrats lots of people who woldn't usually go to Disney, but want to.

David Kelly

01-10-2002, 13:59

Originally posted by JosephM

But, my post was making the point that Disney would go over backwards (read: reduce prices and increase bennifits) to keep FIRST. It looks good for their pocket books and attrats lots of people who woldn't usually go to Disney, but want to.

But they are doing the opposite. they are raising prices due to the declining attendence. Disney is in it for the money. Thats whey they are an Amusement Park.

Joe Matt

01-10-2002, 14:46

Originally posted by David Kelly

But they are doing the opposite. they are raising prices due to the declining attendence. Disney is in it for the money. Thats whey they are an Amusement Park.

In my mind, it's a Disneyified supply and demand thing. FIRST and all these other places are using Disney for corporate or other reasons. Disney raises prices becuase people want to do it. FIRST drops out. Disney realizes what it lost (lots of $$$ durring a down time) and then drops prices back.

Remember Early Entry (Suprise Mornings)? Disney droped it last year for money reasons. Since then less people have been staying. So then they broght it back. Disney raised it's prices of All-Star due to demand and the *new* (and still not opened) Pop Centry resort. Demand fell flat. Disney droped prices and then closed Carribean Beach and didn't opening Pop Centry for over, get this, one year. It's still not open.

Kit Gerhart

02-10-2002, 19:49

I'm not really buying the place 10 miles from Disney just so I could commute to Nationals.

...but, I still hope that things get worked out for Nationals to remain at Disney in Orlando. The fact remains that there is no other place in the US, or probably in the world where 10,000 kids and a bunch of adults with them can compete in something like FIRST and then stay entertained so well in such a safe environment.

It is not cheap, but unless things have really changed a lot, Disney would be a lot cheaper than NYC or DC. Hotels in those cities are very expensive, and there would be a lot more risk involved with team members using the New York subway or Washington Metro to get around than there is with Disney's busses and monorails. There is certainly a lot to see and do in DC, but the hotels are scattered all around and if National is in early spring as it normally is, indoor venues would be needed. Are there any such venues?

Indianapolis, as mentioned by Andy and others could certainly handle the competition in the dome stadium and convention center downtown, but the "off time" entertainment options would be rather limited compared to Disney. The speedway and its museum are worth seeing, along with some other museums, but it's not like Disney.

I guess we'll be finding out soon what the "verdict" is on when and where.

Wayne C.

02-10-2002, 20:29

I too hope that Disney works out for the nationals. Although we have been there for a few years now, I can't think of a better place for keeping the kids occupied safely in the off hours. The self contained nature of the Disney packages over the past few years makes it easy to manage the activities of the team.

The change of scenes by going to Florida is also more appealing than going to some convention center in a northern city. As a teacher I can only imagine trying to keep a bunch of HS kids out of trouble in a place like NYC.

WC

mtaman02

02-10-2002, 22:04

i agree with Wayne C. its hard to keep a bunch of kids under control in NYC. Florida at least u know where everything is, what time everything closes, and its easier to monitor team status in an amusement park then the streets of NYC.

The streets of NYC are not only noisy, they can get you lost and where woyuld u go in the city. don't think the stock exchange / UN want any visitors.

E. The Kidd

03-10-2002, 01:12

First off, I'm ashamed that even the people who live here aren't even sticking up for nats being held in "the capital of the world."

Anyway, NYC has ample space to hold nats...maybe just not all in the same place. $@#Central park has enough space to hold at least 2 divisions in the same place. Let's not forget the parking lots at Yankee Stadium (12 last I counted). $@#The parking lots at the purple stadium (Shea) can hold the 4 divisions that are needed (but yes you do have to spread them out a little bit more than usual). $@#We also have enough empty space in the minor league parks in Staten Island and Brooklyn that don't really open till June; they can hold a couple thousand people. Finally, there are always the arenas right in New Jersey (15 minutes from midtown, provided you have good traffic). $@#In jersey there exists Giants Stadium, Continental Airlines arena as well as Aqueduct racetrack. $@#With these three arenas being in the same complex (better known as the medowlands) there would be enough space to squeeze a few hundred teams (in the parking lots of course).

Hotels in NYC are like anything else, it depends on where you are. If you choose to stay in the tourist district (the area around times square) you would pay more than in some of the other parts of the city. Jersey is also another option. There are many hotels in NJ that offer cheap rates and they aren't far from the city, you can use public transportation to come into the city.

There is plenty to do. $@#During the day there is sightseeing around the city (e.g. the empire state building, Yankees games, etc.) as well as shopping. $@#At night there are various arcades and clubs that students and mentors can go to. $@#there would really be no need to rent any expensive vehicles to travel with because students can use the public transportation system. next with 20 million people who would notice 10-20,000 extra people. $@#finally with 3 major airports (who just happen to be international too) in the area you can shop around for the cheapest rate.

so vote NYC
[paid for by some sandwich guy that wouldn't mind a few extra customers]

p.s. your students can't get in trouble on the streets of NYC unless they look for it (I HATE THIS STEREOTYPE !!!!!!!!!)

p.p.s. its hard to get lost in Manhattan (other parts of the city I can't speak on since i don't live in them) since the streets and avenues are NUMBERED

Mike Schroeder

03-10-2002, 01:41

Not to start trouble here but lets look at it this way

Student A: - Hey cool we are going to disney for the competition this year that is great we can got to the parks when we are not playing, There is ample security, Nice weather, and a good portion of disney's theme park one day

Student B: - NYC cool a city, got some police officers ( not dis'n them) a couple of big buildings, some museums (sp?) and hotels, and a stadium with my most unfavorited team, and, and i don't know

Who are you Student A or B

Don't get me wrong I don't mind NYC but lets look at reality not everyone like museums (sp?) and shopping or the Yankees

Joe Matt

03-10-2002, 09:32

Face it, put your bias aside. Lets face it NYC ISN'T safe enough for FIRST. And where can we get the space? Central Park? Good luck. That would PO more people than we can imagine.

Face it Disney haters/lovers/don't care-irs, Disney is the only reasonable place to hold it. Disney and Dean still have a good relationship and it still has the best security and self-containess that we love (like the idea of food vouchers, too bad if you want to go to NYC)

Amber H.

03-10-2002, 09:34

Hmmm..... My experience as a teenager and with the ones I work with on a weekly basis, is that they would be happy to go just about anywhere as long as they can get out of school for a few days.

Also, the kids I knew in High School would have jumped at the chance to go to NYC.

Andy Baker

03-10-2002, 10:09

To all...

Keep in mind that this decision on the location and date of the Championships is not at all up to us (teams).

We should all trust that FIRST is trying their hardest to make the best situation they can for the teams. We may not agree with what they come up with, but we are gonna have to accept what they offer when they get done with their negotiations.

I've been in this long enough to know that FIRST is always trying their hardest to do what is best for the teams. We may have to accept higher prices at Disney, an inconvenient date of the Championships, or a new Championship location... but once they come out with an announcement, we need to accept it and show FIRST the support they deserve.

Everyone should know that planning these Regionals and the Championships are very difficult things to do. It takes years of planning to put in a new Regional, let alone the Championships. Most new Regionals have been in the works for at least 2, maybe 3 years.

I'm looking forward to FIRST telling us when and where the Championships are, but if they need more time to negotiate, that is perfectly fine with me. If it takes a few more days or even weeks to try to make the situation the best it can be for us, then we surely should be graceful and patient.

Andy B.

Jon K.

03-10-2002, 14:53

I'm wondering if maybe since Disney is sponsoring 2 new teams along with pre-existing teams, that maybe they feel they are unable to host it anymore for some reason:confused:

MattK

03-10-2002, 15:46

WASHINGTON DC!
What could be better than that, using the mall would be cool. Its safer than NYC has ALOT of culture and everything. Its awsome!

Alot more teams would be able to drive there too, its in the middle of the Eastern Coastline

Katie Reynolds

03-10-2002, 16:16

Originally posted by Andy Baker
To all...

Keep in mind that this decision on the location and date of the Championships is not at all up to us (teams).

We should all trust that FIRST is trying their hardest to make the best situation they can for the teams. We may not agree with what they come up with, but we are gonna have to accept what they offer when they get done with their negotiations.

I've been in this long enough to know that FIRST is always trying their hardest to do what is best for the teams. We may have to accept higher prices at Disney, an inconvenient date of the Championships, or a new Championship location... but once they come out with an announcement, we need to accept it and show FIRST the support they deserve.

Everyone should know that planning these Regionals and the Championships are very difficult things to do. It takes years of planning to put in a new Regional, let alone the Championships. Most new Regionals have been in the works for at least 2, maybe 3 years.

I'm looking forward to FIRST telling us when and where the Championships are, but if they need more time to negotiate, that is perfectly fine with me. If it takes a few more days or even weeks to try to make the situation the best it can be for us, then we surely should be graceful and patient.

Andy B.

Well said, Andy.

- Katie

E. The Kidd

03-10-2002, 16:31

Originally posted by MattK
WASHINGTON DC!
What could be better than that, using the mall would be cool. Its safer than NYC has ALOT of culture and everything. Its awsome!

Alot more teams would be able to drive there too, its in the middle of the Eastern Coastline

Washington is not safer than NYC...trust me i know people who live there

Todd Derbyshire

03-10-2002, 16:57

I think that if the competition is not in Disney that it should return to Manchester for the reason being that it is the birth place of FIRST. Plus it is a half an hour away from UNH so I wouldn't mind going to the Manchester Arena seeing how I'm already going to go to the Regional. Please move Worlds to Manchester Dean. Thanx your buddy Todd

Elgin Clock

03-10-2002, 17:04

Originally posted by jk2005
I'm wondering if maybe since Disney is sponsoring 2 new teams along with pre-existing teams, that maybe they feel they are unable to host it anymore for some reason:confused:

Is this a moral question?? Like asking if Disney would be biased towards teams cause of they sponsor them??
If it is I only have 3 letters for you, that you should know very well.

UTC

Nuff said' And you can take that anyway you want to. Look at the Team List for UTC this year HERE (http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event=CT&event%20year=2003&status=signed%20up&-sortfield=team%20id&-max=all&-find) There are 7 out of 25 teams that are sponsored by UTC. I ask you as a UTC sponsored team, do you feel you have an advantage over the other UTC based teams at UTC?? There are a lot of judges at UTC who are employess of UTC.

Disney on the other hand, doesn't have anyone from Disney Inc. on the panel of judges at the Nationals.

So don't take this the wrong way, but what's your point??

Kit Gerhart

03-10-2002, 17:16

Jon K.

03-10-2002, 17:24

Originally posted by Elgin Clock
So don't take this the wrong way, but what's your point??

I know what your saying about UTC and I don't take what you said the wrong way. What I was trying to get at was that maybe Disney is sponsoring more teams and not the Nationals because they may no longer have the budget for it.

ChrisH

03-10-2002, 17:31

Originally posted by MattK
WASHINGTON DC!
What could be better than that, using the mall would be cool. Its safer than NYC has ALOT of culture and everything. Its awsome!

Based on my experinces on business trips to this /cough/ fine /cough/ potential venue, all the cultural oportunities would be closed before the Pits. Which would really be the pits.

I agree with AndyB, let's wait it out and then live with what we get in a graciously professional manner. Being gracious means putting the best motives on what the other party was trying to do, even when they don't succeed. Which shouldn't be too much of a stretch in this case.

ChrisH

dlavery

03-10-2002, 23:12

Originally posted by team 713

Washington is not safer than NYC...trust me i know people who live there

and I work there. Talk with me some time about the bullet holes in my office window (yes, I am serious).

That said, the crime level in NYC is demonstrably higher that in DC (in terms of both index counts and rates per population). There were 266,594 violent crimes in NYC in 2001, and 39,926 in DC. In 2001 there were 3,479 murders in NYC, vs. 231 murders in DC. (ref: U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics 2001 Uniform Crime Report, preliminary version issued June 24, 2002). If safety is the concern, then the Nationals should be moved to Gilbert AZ. Very low overall crime index, with 0 violent deaths in 2000 and 2001.

I'm just gonna stick with Orlando and EPCOT. There, all we have to worry about is the price of the hot dogs and diet Cokes.

-dave

Sean_330

04-10-2002, 01:19

The truth about the matter is no matter where you hold the nationals, if it is in a major US city there will be a crime factor. It all depends on where you are in the city. Take Los Angeles for instance, while there are numerous areas with a major crime problem, there are ample areas with little or no violent crime close to the high crime areas. Often times many of the venues in major cities are in high crime areas.

If you watch out for yourself and stay in hotels in nicer areas, (often only a couple of miles away from the venue) you should be fine. I have lived in Los Angeles all my life and i'm an EMT in the inner city yet have never been victim of a crime. Besides, maybe it would be good to bring FIRST to the inner city and get inner city students interested in science and engineering. Many inner city students have no way to see what science and engineering are all about. After all FIRST is about advancing science and technology no matter what the venue. It's the people that make FIRST what it is, not Disney World!

MattK

04-10-2002, 06:53

Manchester NH would be cool, although I have no idea where we would put everyone. Maybe dean's house in bedford. We could use the Verizon Wireless arena and ummmm, maybe ummmm I dunno. Manchester has a very low crime rate (my dad just retired as a cop there after 21 years) and its still a "City". There is kinda alot to do.....

Amber H.

04-10-2002, 11:49

Originally posted by MattK
Manchester NH would be cool, although I have no idea where we would put everyone. Maybe dean's house in bedford. We could use the Verizon Wireless arena and ummmm, maybe ummmm I dunno. Manchester has a very low crime rate (my dad just retired as a cop there after 21 years) and its still a "City". There is kinda alot to do.....

I suppose it would be a nice tribute to have the championships in the birthplace of FIRST. Plus Matt is right. the crime rate is pretty low. Plus NH cops are really good. The best job I ever had was working for the Derry Police Department as a crossing guard for Pinkerton Acadamy (before I moved too far away for an acceptable commute). They are the nicest bunch of people you'll ever meet if you get the chance.

Still, the decision is up to FIRST and I'm pretty sure they will put a lot of thought into it to make it the best event possible with what they have to work with.

JVN

04-10-2002, 12:06

How about somewhere in upstate NY?

There has never been a regional upstate. We're not all from the city! :)

Kit Gerhart

04-10-2002, 13:13

Paris might be a good place for the championship. There is excellent public transportation, a lot to see there, and it is relatively safe for a large city. How about it Dean, not for '03, but maybe sometime in the future?

OK, I guess there should be at least one team from France before making a decision to have the championship there, but it's a thought.

Rich Wong

04-10-2002, 13:23

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dlavery
[B]

"In 2001 there were 3,479 murders in NYC, vs. 231 murders in DC. (ref: U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics 2001 Uniform Crime Report, preliminary version issued June 24, 2002). "

I got to response to this one!
These numbers are misleading, there was not 3,479 criminal murders in NYC last year. If these numbers are true NYC will have bodies all over the street. The crime/murder in NYC is as low as the 1960's.

You know why the number you quoted is so high?

9-11.

dets002

04-10-2002, 14:28

If I'm not mistaken, those justice dept. figures exclude the attacks on the WTC.

D.J. Fluck

04-10-2002, 14:41

Originally posted by dets002
If I'm not mistaken, those justice dept. figures exclude the attacks on the WTC.

Yes I think dets002 is right....Im not sure if this is still accurate or not, but at one time the government counted over 5,000 people dead or missing from the WTC attacks...

Chris Nowak

04-10-2002, 14:43

Originally posted by Kit Gerhart
Paris might be a good place for the championship. There is excellent public transportation, a lot to see there, and it is relatively safe for a large city. How about it Dean, not for '03, but maybe sometime in the future?

OK, I guess there should be at least one team from France before making a decision to have the championship there, but it's a thought.

Yeah, unfortunately Its not looking like france will have a team anytime soon just because of the way their school is structured. French High Schools have almost no extracurricular activities.

Also, how the heck would teams understand how to get around? We can't really give all kids going to nationals a crash course in french.

Rich Wong

04-10-2002, 15:32

Originally posted by dets002
If I'm not mistaken, those justice dept. figures exclude the attacks on the WTC.

----------------------------------------------------
Yes, they don't include 9-11 but NYC is NOT that bad...
Here is a NY Times article-

"Killings Increase in Many Big Cities

By FOX BUTTERFIELD NY Times 12/21/01

Homicides have increased sharply this year in many large cities, a development that troubles law enforcement officials and experts who fear it may signal a return to rising crime rates after a large decline in the 1990's.

The rise in homicides was led by Boston and Phoenix, which had increases of more than 60 percent through Dec. 18, compared with the same period last year, according to police figures in a survey of 18 major cities.

Homicides jumped 22 percent in St. Louis, 17.5 percent in Houston, 15 percent in San Antonio, 11.6 percent in Atlanta, 9.2 percent in Los Angeles and 5.2 percent in Chicago, the police departments in those cities said.

However, even the sharp increases this year leave the big cities far below the peak in homicide in 1991. The rise in Chicago, which has had 644 homicides this year, compared with 612 in the same period last year, means that it will probably pass New York for the first time as the city with the most homicides, though Chicago has 2.9 million people and New York has 8 million.

New York is an exception to the big cities with rising homicides, with 617 through Dec. 16, compared with 651 in the same period last year — a drop of 5.2 percent.

Several other cities also had small decreases, including Washington, with a decline of 6 percent. But in most cities with fewer homicides, the decrease was so slight that experts said it was not statistically significant.

Homicide has long been considered the bellwether crime, the one that most worries the public and therefore the one that police chiefs watch most carefully.

A jump in homicides in the big cities led the crime wave of the late 1980's, and a homicide decrease in the big cities started an eight-year decline in overall crime beginning in 1992.

Charles H. Ramsey, Washington's police chief, pointed to two possible explanations for the increases this year: the downturn in the economy and an increase in family killings after years of declines driven by greater attention to domestic violence.

The economy is the best indicator of whether crime will continue to increase, Chief Ramsey said. (Ed Note: There's a third explanation: Chief Ramsey can't manage a police organization . Why is crime down in other cities?)

"More pink slips mean more crimes," he said. "It doesn't take long before you start seeing that impact at street level."

Chief Ramsey said he was especially concerned about the impact that a prolonged recession would have on poorer neighborhoods and low-income workers. "It reaches everyone; it just reaches them first," he said. "If this becomes long term, believe me, you will see the difference." (Ed Note: If you can't handle the job, chief, quit now and let someone who knows how policing is done take over.)"

OR go to http: www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/region.htm

Kristina

04-10-2002, 15:57

Originally posted by Kit Gerhart
Paris might be a good place for the championship. There is excellent public transportation, a lot to see there, and it is relatively safe for a large city. How about it Dean, not for '03, but maybe sometime in the future?

OK, I guess there should be at least one team from France before making a decision to have the championship there, but it's a thought.

The transportation system in Paris is good but its so much nicer (way cleaner and less smelly) in London. No new language either...too bad its so so crowded there! Well I'm sure Dean could find a big castle or something in the country side...how cool would that be?!

And while I highly doubt we would have NATIONALS in a different country, my bid would go to Australia. Its absolutely beautiful there, they have great public transportion left from the 2000 olympics, its spacious, and you have to love the guys (and girls for you boys) with their cute australian accents.

Jon K.

04-10-2002, 16:07

Originally posted by Kit Gerhart
Paris might be a good place for the championship. There is excellent public transportation, a lot to see there, and it is relatively safe for a large city. How about it Dean, not for '03, but maybe sometime in the future?

OK, I guess there should be at least one team from France before making a decision to have the championship there, but it's a thought.

I must dissagree after being there for a day I would not want to go to Paris again!! The subway stunk like sewage, the stations were hard to find, the language barrier is tough to cope with, there were a lot of beggars asking for money, etc. Whereas in London it was the exact opposite, not to many beggar/homeless people, no language barrier, nice, clean, not smelly subways(Mind The Gap) and when I went last year it wasn't to crowded and you could find your way around pretty easily, SO I am game for London, England.

Don Knight

04-10-2002, 16:45

If that many Americans showed up in France at one time they'd probably surrender! Again :D

Yea I know this my not be P.C. but it's probably the truth.

Kristina

04-10-2002, 16:54

Haha...the boys on the robotics team always made so many of the the French-"I surrender" jokes, especially to me because I was prez of the French Club and my last name is French (I'm not french though, or if I am its wayyyy back there on the family tree).

...and we wonder why they french hate americans, JK!

Amber H.

04-10-2002, 17:27

Oh Bah! Bag the nationals!
How about every non-rookie team mentor/recruit some school outside the U.S. and go for a world cup FIRST event! Then FIRST will have the whole world to choose from! Whoopie!

Matt Leese

04-10-2002, 18:10

Originally posted by JVN
How about somewhere in upstate NY?

There has never been a regional upstate. We're not all from the city! :)
In a very theoretical way we've talked about trying to get RIT to host one in Rochester sometime after they complete our new field house (it should be done summer 2004). About all we've done so far is talk about it however. There has been some interest in hosting a regional here before but that's about it.

Matt

Nate Smith

04-10-2002, 18:51

Originally posted by JosephM
I think were reading to much into this. Do we think the one guy who wrote this one day before lunch break reall is in the "know"? He probably just didn't fill it out, uploaded it, and then went to Arbys...

This is an unlikely scenario for several reasons:
1. The listing for the championship has been changed from date TBD at WDW Epcot, to blank location, date TBD, then to location TBD, date TBD. What would have been the point of removing Epcot from the location if it wasn't in question?

2. With registration now active, FIRST is very aware that the championship is still listed as TBD. If it was simply a missed entry, it would be quickly corrected.

3. The event list is not a static page, as the new version with the registration counts shows. It is tied directly into the TIMS registration system, as well as the internal database system that FIRST uses.

Does all of this mean we are definitely not going to be at WDW? No. Does it pose the possibility that it will change? Yes.

bjammin64

04-10-2002, 19:23

Originally posted by dlavery

If safety is the concern, then the Nationals should be moved to Gilbert AZ.

-dave

i likeit. just a hop across town

Don Knight

04-10-2002, 22:07

Originally posted by Nate Smith
Does all of this mean we are definitely not going to be at WDW? No. Does it pose the possibility that it will change? Yes.

Nate, I think you're right on the button, I'm sure FIRST is working at securing a site for the Nationals but where it will be is up in the air. If its stays at Epcot there is the Easter/Spring Break issues (its one of the busiest times for Disney already) either you go before or after.

May is getting late for the schools, finals, proms and the such, school here (AZ) get out around the 22nd.

In April that leaves one week open, the one after the last regional.

If its not at Disney that week, my guess is there will be a new location. But I'm sure we will all know by the end of October - you know October Surpises, this is a election year right? With registrations for the second regional starting Nov. 3 it makes sense for FIRST to announce it before then.

This is a huge event - sometimes I think we forget, myself included, there aren't many places that could provide for the 10,000 plus that attend. Plus all the logistics needed to support such an event. Venues like that are booked sometimes years in advance so you just can't call up and say "Suprise" here we come.

MattK

05-10-2002, 15:19

I was just @ the mall shooting a segment for my Show, and I saw Dean at Radio Shack. I talked to him a lil bit. I asked him if nats was gunna be at Epoc, and he just said "we will just have to wait and see"

Joe Matt

05-10-2002, 16:08

Originally posted by MattK
I was just @ the mall shooting a segment for my Show, and I saw Dean at Radio Shack. I talked to him a lil bit. I asked him if nats was gunna be at Epoc, and he just said "we will just have to wait and see"

Interesting. Was he riding a Segway?

MattK

05-10-2002, 16:14

Originally posted by JosephM

Interesting. Was he riding a Segway?

Yup, he was. the lil P-Model with the breafcase holder

Kit Gerhart

05-10-2002, 20:36

Originally posted by jk2005

I must dissagree after being there for a day I would not want to go to Paris again!! The subway stunk like sewage, the stations were hard to find, the language barrier is tough to cope with, there were a lot of beggars asking for money, etc. Whereas in London it was the exact opposite, not to many beggar/homeless people, no language barrier, nice, clean, not smelly subways(Mind The Gap) and when I went last year it wasn't to crowded and you could find your way around pretty easily, SO I am game for London, England.

My experience in Paris (in 1999) was that the subway was easy to use, though it was a bit odiferous in some locations. For the most part, I found the people to be surprisingly accomodating of people like myself who know very little French.

That said, London would also be a very fun and interesting place to have an event, for many of the same reasons as Paris, and as you say, communication would be easier in London. There are even a few UK teams, aren't there?

Joe Matt

05-10-2002, 21:50

You'r complaing of the over-priced Disney stuff, then you say PARIS! The plane trip would cost a fortune!

Anythingn overseas right now is OFF limmits. Midwest and eastern states are open.

Although Disney is 99% in my opinion going to hold the Nats, here are a few other options raised here and other places.

Ohio- Cedar Point and RnR Hall of Fame in (and near) Cleveland
DC- Museums, Metro
Georga- Atlanta- post 96 olimpics stuff
Minnasotta (sp?)- centrally located, but is there anything to do?

Kristina

05-10-2002, 23:18

Aw, why just Eastern and Mid-Western states...venture on over to the lovely West Coast for Sun and lots of things to do!

and just for reference, it's Minnesota and there is nothing to do there besides go to the Mall of America. No offense to any Minnesotans, I was born there, lived there for many years and am still a loyal Vikings (even if they are sucking right now) and Twins fan...there's just nothing to do there when I go back and visit!

SlamminSammy

06-10-2002, 00:00

Originally posted by Doanie8
it's Minnesota and there is nothing to do there besides go to the Mall of America

It's also April which means that it's going to be raining or snowing. As for the boredom, there are plenty of theatres and art museums along with the historical sites :p . I lived in Florida and now Disneyworld is boring. Wherever the Nationals are held, somebody won't be happy.

Kit Gerhart

06-10-2002, 00:21

Originally posted by JosephM
You'r complaing of the over-priced Disney stuff, then you say PARIS! The plane trip would cost a fortune!

Anythingn overseas right now is OFF limmits. Midwest and eastern states are open.

Although Disney is 99% in my opinion going to hold the Nats, here are a few other options raised here and other places.

Ohio- Cedar Point and RnR Hall of Fame in (and near) Cleveland
DC- Museums, Metro
Georga- Atlanta- post 96 olimpics stuff
Minnasotta (sp?)- centrally located, but is there anything to do?

I was not complaining about the the "overpriced Disney stuff," and was not all that serious about Paris as a venue for the championship, though I think going there would be a good experience for people who have never been out of the US.

After checking on flight prices, though, it looks like going to Paris would be even less practical than I thought. Cheap flights from the US to Paris are hard to find right now. From Indianapolis, where we would go from, the cheapest I could find was almost $1000 round trip. It is around $800, even from JFK which has more flights to Europe than any other airport in the US.

Again, my suggestion of Paris was not serious, at least not for any time soon.

Jon K.

06-10-2002, 00:45

Kit,

you said that your trip was in 1999 but when in 99 during the tourist season or not? The reason I am asking is because non tourist season it wasn't a fun day trip let alone 5 or 6 days there.

But ya keep it at Disney they are like the only place actually willing and able to support our size of event.

Joel J

06-10-2002, 00:51

"West Edmonton Mall is home to the largest parking lot in the world (Guinness Book of World Records). Over 20,000 parking spaces are available free of charge for guests of the Mall, including stalls for those with special needs located near all of the Mall's 58 entrances.

Parking for large vehicles (ie: large trucks and RV's) is available directly across the street from the Mall on 90th Avenue.

Heated underground parking is available to guests of the West Edmonton Mall Inn for a nominal fee." - http://www.westedmall.com/planavisit/parking.html

::evil grin::

RBrandy

06-10-2002, 00:52

u gotta admit... paris would be kinda cool a little pricey but never less cool

Madison

06-10-2002, 10:58

Originally posted by Joel J.
"West Edmonton Mall is home to the largest parking lot in the world (Guinness Book of World Records). Over 20,000 parking spaces are available free of charge for guests of the Mall, including stalls for those with special needs located near all of the Mall's 58 entrances.

Parking for large vehicles (ie: large trucks and RV's) is available directly across the street from the Mall on 90th Avenue.

Heated underground parking is available to guests of the West Edmonton Mall Inn for a nominal fee." - http://www.westedmall.com/planavisit/parking.html

::evil grin::

It's also home to Galaxyland, an indoor amusement park ;)

In Galaxyland, you'll find Mindbender, a custom tri-looping coaster from Anton Schwarzkopf that is the second most powerful coaster on Earth. :)

MattK

06-10-2002, 11:24

There is this cool mall in NC (right by UNC, and my uncle's house) its called The Streets at South Point (http://www.thestreetsatsouthpoint.com/) . ITS HUGE! Its indoors and outdoors. There is so much to do and it would be easy to containe people. I think we should have it there.

FotoPlasma

06-10-2002, 15:14

Originally posted by MattK
There is this cool mall in NC (right by UNC, and my uncle's house) its called The Streets at South Point (http://www.thestreetsatsouthpoint.com/) . ITS HUGE! Its indoors and outdoors. There is so much to do and it would be easy to containe people. I think we should have it there.

Aren't they supposed to be able to contain people in prisons, too?

I wonder how well that works...

Kit Gerhart

06-10-2002, 15:50

Originally posted by jk2005
Kit,

you said that your trip was in 1999 but when in 99 during the tourist season or not? The reason I am asking is because non tourist season it wasn't a fun day trip let alone 5 or 6 days there.

But ya keep it at Disney they are like the only place actually willing and able to support our size of event.

My trip was in late March/early April, between our last regional and the championships. I went with a group which was nominally a school French Club group, but there were more adults than students. We took a lot of side trips to places like Versailles, Giverny, and Chartres, but stayed in Paris and used the subway to get around within the city.

Joe Ross

06-10-2002, 15:51

Teams have already done demos at the Paris air show...who knows :-p

D.J. Fluck

07-10-2002, 20:23

Originally posted by FotoPlasma

Aren't they supposed to be able to contain people in prisons, too?

I wonder how well that works...

Thats what a mall is...a retail prison...and the employees are the guards (I know...i am a retail prison guard)...

Plus if the championship was there I wouldnt want to spend my free time at a mall the whole time...

Andrew Rudolph

07-10-2002, 21:12

Oh no! Brandon might have to change the discription of the Championship forum!!
Talk about the Championship Event, in Florida here. Travel plans, lodging, sight-seeing, competition, after-party, etc...

Brandon Martus

07-10-2002, 22:04

Originally posted by Andrew Rudolph
Oh no! Brandon might have to change the discription of the Championship forum!!

Yeah. I changed it anyway because I think I used bad grammar.

I hate grammer.

Joe Matt

07-10-2002, 22:10

Originally posted by Brandon Martus

Yeah. I changed it anyway because I think I used bad grammar.

I hate grammer.

/me thinks of grammer http://forums.wdwmagic.com/images/smilies/h.gif

Madison

07-10-2002, 22:49

grammar. I love spelling.

:)

Brandon Martus

07-10-2002, 22:54

me two. :rolleyes: :)

Katie Reynolds

07-10-2002, 22:55

<3 <3 Grammer <3 <3

- Katie ;)

Amber H.

07-10-2002, 22:55

Originally posted by Michael Krass
grammar. I love spelling.

:)
Grammar? what's this grammar thingy?
I thought that's what proofreaders was for. I should know I have at least two that work on my books. They is so patient with me.

D.J. Fluck

08-10-2002, 13:09

Why use grammar, if you get the point across, arent you doing your job?

Oops let me go learn a few adverb clauses and toss in some appositives before my next post :rolleyes:

Greg Ross

08-10-2002, 15:46

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck
Why use grammar, if you get the point across, arent you doing your job?
<aside>I really hate continuing these off topic conversations, but...</aside>

The whole reason for grammar IS to help you get the point across. If your sloppy writing makes it harder for the reader to understand what you're trying to say, you're NOT doing your job.

Ashley Weed

09-10-2002, 15:24

Pittsburgh registration has been opened, does this mean that the Championship will follow soon! ;)

D.J. Fluck

09-10-2002, 15:41

Originally posted by gwross

<aside>I really hate continuing these off topic conversations, but...</aside>

The whole reason for grammar IS to help you get the point across. If your sloppy writing makes it harder for the reader to understand what you're trying to say, you're NOT doing your job.

No...not necessarly...

Trust me...its been done

Greg Ross

09-10-2002, 19:35

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck

No...not necessarly...

Trust me...its been done
What's been done? What is it exactly you're disagreeing with? :confused:

If you're saying that points have been understood in spite of bad grammar, of course, I have to agree. But isn't it better to not torture your reader by making them puzzle over poorly constructed sentences?:)

Manoel

09-10-2002, 19:57

Originally posted by Kit Gerhart

After checking on flight prices, though, it looks like going to Paris would be even less practical than I thought. Cheap flights from the US to Paris are hard to find right now. From Indianapolis, where we would go from, the cheapest I could find was almost $1000 round trip. It is around $800, even from JFK which has more flights to Europe than any other airport in the US.

Then you guys'd see what it takes to go through the season, being from Brazil! Those are regular prices for us! :D

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck

Oops let me go learn a few adverb clauses and toss in some appositives before my next post

English ain't nothing when you're facing a 600 page Portuguese grammar book! :D

Jon K.

09-10-2002, 20:02

600 pages!!! Wheres the pillow I think I would faint if I got stuck with a book like that just for Grammar!!

D.J. Fluck

11-10-2002, 16:30

Im really starting to get frustrated...does anyone have any info on when and where the championship will be or does anyone have any inside info on possibilities???

Christine G.

13-10-2002, 15:33

Disney is having Grad Night the last weekend in April and the first 2 weekends in May...that could be part of the problem with getting the championship booked.

Jon K.

13-10-2002, 15:56

No because they had that last year at the same time as the National event and there was no conflict. I remember seeing a ton of charter buses for it on my way to DisneyQuest.

Ashley Weed

13-10-2002, 18:39

Originally posted by Christine G.
Disney is having Grad Night the last weekend in April and the first 2 weekends in May...that could be part of the problem with getting the championship booked.

Cool! What's Grad Night? For Seniors? Is it open to all seniors, or is it a special event?

Andrew Rudolph

13-10-2002, 21:15

Basically Grad Night is when seniors go to the parks and have a big party. There are performances, thats probably why who ever that was who performed at closing cerimoines was(the name slips my mind) was there performing. Supposedly its like our parties but much crazier. Im pretty sure any senior can go but has to with a school, because i know that they have them over a certain number of weeks and schools go at different times. Our school goes to them and it was after AP tests they went i think. Im ready to go this year as long as it doesnt interfere with any of my things.

Joe Matt

13-10-2002, 22:46

There are many many wild seniors running around late at night. Many CM's HATE doing this shift and many schools have been banned from this event.

One such case is some jerks throwing Mickey, costum and all, into the Rivers of America. He almost drowned.

Also, Mandy Moore has a good contract with Disney and was probably shooting something in one of the MGM soundstages or soemthing and was here durring FIRST.

fergy

16-10-2002, 09:44

logically? it has to be at epcot. disney california and universal florida do not have the hotel facilities to accommodate 16-20k students. the problem is that the last weekend in april and first weekend in may are booked to a dental conference. (my wife is a dental hygienist, so i know this, first hand) don't panic. disney will come through, even if it is the middle of april and only a week after some of the regionals.

Jon K.

16-10-2002, 13:17

A dental conference in DISNEY? that is odd.:confused:

E. The Kidd

16-10-2002, 15:27

dentists are wonderful people (with an abnormal suicide rate), though I wonder if any of them have built robots :confused:

/me is getting his root canal started today :) :D :)

Elgin Clock

16-10-2002, 16:56

Originally posted by jk2005
A dental conference in DISNEY? that is odd.:confused:

It actually isn't that odd. Conferences are scheduled year round at Disney. Last year there was actually a Solidworks Users Group conference scheduled to be at the Coronado in Disney the week after we left the place for Nats.

Katie Reynolds

16-10-2002, 16:58

Originally posted by fergy
logically? it has to be at epcot. disney california and universal florida do not have the hotel facilities to accommodate 16-20k students. the problem is that the last weekend in april and first weekend in may are booked to a dental conference. (my wife is a dental hygienist, so i know this, first hand) don't panic. disney will come through, even if it is the middle of april and only a week after some of the regionals.

Not necessarily. There are many other places that *could* hold the amount of people that Epcot does. Really, no one knows (or at least no one is saying!) where Nationals will be. We're just going to have to trust FIRST on this one.

Again, if Nationals is held in mid-April or a week after a the last of the regionals, teams competing at those regionals who qualify for Nationals will face horrible air-fare rates and have a hard time getting hotel reservations. There are a million arguements we can throw out here as to why or why not Nationals should be held at Disney but ...

We're just going to have to wait and see :)

- Katie

Elgin Clock

17-10-2002, 12:21

You know what, I just thoght of something.... What if Epcot is good to go but it's just the dates that they are deciding on. Isn't there the fomalized testing factor during April???? Maybe FIRST finally got the hint to try to schedule the Competition around those tests. As for the venue area not being filled in, maybe they just want to make sure they have all the information before they write anything in.. All or nothing I say!!

Bottom Line, Don't fret, cause "It's all good" We shall overcome changes, we are an adaptable breed!! We build robots in 6 weeks for gods sake, if we can overcome changes in design at the drop of a hat, we can overcome a change in a venue.

Coo Dat!!!

purpledaisy

17-10-2002, 12:37

Does anyone know if the change in place could be related to the conflict with AP exams? Also, any clues as to what they'll do if they get as hideous a date as they had before (the weekend before the start of APs)?

David Kelly

17-10-2002, 14:58

my opinion is that it all has to do with money. disney was gonna raise the prices again so FIRST decided to pull out because the cant afford it. and as we already know FIRST has a budget chrisis right now and this is part of it.

Kyle Fenton

17-10-2002, 15:58

Originally posted by David Kelly
my opinion is that it all has to do with money. disney was gonna raise the prices again so FIRST decided to pull out because the cant afford it. and as we already know FIRST has a budget chrisis right now and this is part of it.

That was my opinion too all the time. Disney is probably relaying to FIRST that they cannot host this event without either serious cutbacks, or asking an insane amount ($200+) for everyone. I'm sure that Disney is not pleased with this situation either, because they have had a long standing relationship with FIRST.

I'm sure that FIRST has a plan B, an alternative location just in-case they cannot reach a settlement with Disney. Personally I think FIRST should look for a place where the economy is really in dire need for tourism. For example, (THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE) the Macworld conference was moved from New York to Boston because New York just becoming too expensive. Boston welcomed the conference with open arms, and offered special discounts with low hotel fairs, access to their best and newest facilities, and other perks. Especially with the economy in this uncertain stage, I believe that this is best possibility for nationals.

Florida is cool, and it is good motivating factor to get new students, but if Disney can’t do it, I am not going to cry over it.

Jon K.

17-10-2002, 16:29

Actually with Boston teams might be able to go and do demos at the Science museum or maybe even figure out some way to hold the event there. That would be neat.

E. The Kidd

18-10-2002, 12:40

Greetings Teams:

Please be reminded that as of today October 17th, FIRST is still actively engaged in the final site selection, timing and negotiation of the 2003 Robotics Championship.

We apologize for the unforseeable delay and we will keep you informed as planning progresses. We strongly recommend against making travel arrangements until FIRST has finalized a location and dates for the Championship.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Deborah L. Rose

sounds like FIRST is still trying to narrow down the choices for the site let alone a date

Elgin Clock

25-10-2002, 12:29

OK here's my theory,

Disney is too expensive so FIRST looked for an alternative venue.
In the interest in getting maximum exposure from "important people" they decided to move it to Washington D.C.
But, now with the sniper situation, even though as of this morning it looks like it's over, they seriously reconsidered and/or are reconsidering Washington D.C.

Of course this is only a theory now.
What do you think??
Make sense??

OneAngryDaisy

26-10-2002, 14:42

Let's think about some logic-
Every year a few hundred more teams sign up...
FIRST is short on money...

Maybe they'll only let the top ten qualifiers from every regional go to Nats or something like that- because with almost 400 teams eligible this year it ain't gonna be easy paying for everything.

Wayne C.

26-10-2002, 15:02

Not likely this year - if that was the case all those ODD teams cut out last year will go through the roof.

I think FIRST is doing their best to come to terms with a Disney venue and date. I just hope they can get the deal made soon.

WC

Ashley Weed

26-10-2002, 15:03

Originally posted by Wayne C.
Not likely this year - if that was the case all those ODD teams cut out last year will go through the roof.

.... And all of the even teams who qualified with points from last year.

Redhead Jokes

30-10-2002, 10:52

Vegas?

Joe Matt

30-10-2002, 10:55

Uh, No. If you've been there, don't say Vegas, Dean would rather sell out to Comedy Central than go there.

Redhead Jokes

30-10-2002, 10:56

*chuckle* If you're willing, tell me why?

Joe Matt

30-10-2002, 11:05

Originally posted by Redhead Jokes
*chuckle* If you're willing, tell me why?
Despite what people want you to believe, many good holtel rooms there cost a lot, the only thing to do is to gamble then see a show or shop. There are people on the street handing out "bad things" and it's hot and deatly dry. And where could they hold it?

Redhead Jokes

30-10-2002, 11:16

Originally posted by JosephM

Despite what people want you to believe, many good holtel rooms there cost a lot, the only thing to do is to gamble then see a show or shop. There are people on the street handing out "bad things" and it's hot and deatly dry. And where could they hold it?

*grin* Yes, when we had to move there I was terrified for the kids' sake. I researched and discovered there's normal in Vegas. We lived there for nine years. Been in Redondo Beach CA since '99. SOOOO glad to have the beach back rather than desert. My adult son's family still lives there. We're rooting for all the newbie teams from Vegas that started last year.

There's rides, shopping and restaurants like at Epcot, and isn't FL hot?

Me, I'd prefer Epcot. 2nd would be Disneyland. After that, Vegas might work.

My husband/mentor says:
They should talk to the Convention and Visitor's Authority, they are always looking to "enhance" the bad image of vegas. Circus Circus or MGM would probably love to host it.

From me again.
I HATE Circus Circus

FotoPlasma

30-10-2002, 11:23

If Championships were held in Vegas, I would not go.

Las Vegas is one of the few places on Earth that I consider to be disgusting, insulting, and disturbing. It epitomizes exactly what I consider to be wrong with society, and I would rather fly five times as far, bear the heat, and even give Disney some of my money (anyone who really knows me knows how much I don't want to do this) than go to Las Vegas.

Kit Gerhart

30-10-2002, 18:46

Originally posted by FotoPlasma

Las Vegas is one of the few places on Earth that I consider to be disgusting, insulting, and disturbing.

Other than that, how do you like Las Vegas?

MrsT

01-11-2002, 18:04

"We also want to give you an update on the Championship. We are very close to finalizing the date and location for the Championship and plan to make a formal announcement next week. Again, we apologize for the unforseeable
delay and still strongly recommend against making any travel arrangements at this time."

Hmmmmm.....doesn't sound like Orlando!!

Lisa :)

Joe Matt

01-11-2002, 20:07

Originally posted by MrsT
"We also want to give you an update on the Championship. We are very close to finalizing the date and location for the Championship and plan to make a formal announcement next week. Again, we apologize for the unforseeable
delay and still strongly recommend against making any travel arrangements at this time."

Hmmmmm.....doesn't sound like Orlando!!

Lisa :)

As Krass said, we've been upgraded to the Magic Kingdom!

Jeff Waegelin

02-11-2002, 14:24

Originally posted by MrsT
Hmmmmm.....doesn't sound like Orlando!!

Lisa :)

Not necessarily. That could mean anything. We'll just have to see. It's hard to predict what FIRST will come up with for anything.

Mark Hamilton

02-11-2002, 22:35

Originally posted by Matt Attallah
Mabye in Miami?

Only if all of First learns spanish and packs a gun (I'm only half kidding)

Jeff Waegelin

02-11-2002, 22:54

Originally posted by Mark Hamilton

Only if all of First learns spanish and packs a gun (I'm only half kidding)

Yes, but which half? ;)

Rob Colatutto

03-11-2002, 09:05

don't count on it being nywhere in florida

Nate Smith

03-11-2002, 09:10

I've heard at least one rumor of it being outside of Florida myself, but at this point, that's really all they are, rumors...until FIRST actually makes an announcement, we won't know for sure...and contrary to semi-popular belief, I do not have any inside information that is affecting what I say in this thread(or any other, for that matter...)

Melancholy

03-11-2002, 17:12

Well, NYC has been nominated to be the location of the 2012 Olympics, but I wonder if it could handle the FIRST Championship Event...

It'd be nice for it to be held so close to (my) home, but I'd perfer it to be somewhere a bit warmer.

"I just wanna see some palm trees..." :)

I'd like for them to at least tell us when they have to decide by, so we know how long we'll be waiting for answer.

Elgin Clock

04-11-2002, 12:26

Is anyone else having problems getting school and or B.O.E. approval to take a trip when we don't even know where we are going?? We are running into that situation where the B.O.E. wants to approve all field trips six months in advance....Kind of hard to do when you are forced to be uninformed.
:mad: :( :mad:

Kevin Sevcik

04-11-2002, 13:07

C'mon guys. FIRST said they'd make an announcement this week, so ya'll just have to be patient a little longer. Then after they annouce the location, ya'll can all have a nice big argument about the actual location of nats, and I can have a nice big laugh about it.

As for the BOE thing.... the last regional is 5 months out from now, so if FIRST announces this week, you'd be at most a month past the deadline. And probably less. If they're THAT picky about things, you can always get all the parents on your team and at the school to write angry letters. That usually works well.

Joe Matt

04-11-2002, 13:32

Originally posted by Kevin Sevcik
If they're THAT picky about things, you can always get all the parents on your team and at the school to write angry letters. That usually works well.

Complaning parents, what every school offical dreads......

Ashley Weed

04-11-2002, 14:25

Originally posted by Kevin Sevcik
C'mon guys. FIRST said they'd make an announcement this week,

REALLY???? ...where did you hear this?:confused:

Nate Smith

04-11-2002, 15:01

Originally posted by weedie

REALLY???? ...where did you hear this?:confused:

See a post up above...they sent out an e-mail to team contacts...

"We also want to give you an update on the Championship. We are very close to finalizing the date and location for the Championship and plan to make a formal announcement next week. Again, we apologize for the unforseeable
delay and still strongly recommend against making any travel arrangements at this time."

Harrison

04-11-2002, 17:17

They reccomend nto to make travel arrangments.

You figure thats just because of us not knowing the exact date, or you figure that because the location will be different?

It strikes me that if it were JUST a timing issue with Disney that it wouldn't of taken this long to sort out.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is somewhere other than Fl this year (as long as its in the hot south, I'll be happy.........How about Hawaii?)

Ashley Weed

04-11-2002, 21:10

I hope it is east of the Mississppi.... my parents think of it as being completely unrealistic west of there........
.......New Orleans........

Agghhh... I'm going to Manchester this Thurs. - Sat. .... if they announce it then..... I will be at Headquarters..... I wonder if there is a chance that I won't find out since I won't have access to a computer.... that would be sad. :(

Alfred Thompson

04-11-2002, 21:23

Explain to the BOE that the Championship is not a field trip. It's a competition. They don't approve trips to state and regional championships 6 months in advance for other teams do they?

Karthik

05-11-2002, 09:31

I probably should have put this in the rumour mill, because that's all it is.

I have heard from a somewhat reliable source, that FIRST is planning on holding the championship event in Houston. Considering NASA's roots in Houston and the Astrodome as a possible venue, this rumour does seem to be within the realm of possibilities.

First they get Jeff Bagwell for a washed up middle reliever, now they possibily get nationals... Lucky town.

Still, I think the sure money continues to be with Orlando.

- Karthik

Ricky Q.

05-11-2002, 12:07

Another interesting thing to notice, if you click on "Championship Event" on the Nav bar and goto the page for it the description on the event has removed all references to Disney, it doesn't even say where the 2002 Nationals was held:

The Championship is the final and largest event of the Competition. Find everything you need to know about the Championship event, such as dates, location, attending teams, local hotels, and ultimately event results. This event is open to the public, free of charge, as are all FIRST Robotics Competitions.

In 2002, the Championship Event was April 25th-27th, including 290 teams from the United States, Canada and Brazil, and witnessed by 20,000 participants.

Is Disney out of the picture?? :confused: