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WCBC
16-03-2016, 15:03
Good morning! It is totally the morning on the west coast, where we, faceless but secretly prominent west-coasters, live.

Given the outgrowth of shameless, half-hearted attempts to inform a largely fictional audience of the grand feats of certain regions, of FRC, we decided to finally pull back the curtain on all of the hidden gems of competitive teams in California.

Sure, you may be wondering why an account called “WestCoastBestCoast” is only covering the state of California, but as we all know the FRC community had massive east coast bias, compounded by GameSense, whose east coast bias stretches all the way out to Washington and Oregon.

A note about districts in the state of California:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpqiq-FHDV4

Looking Backward:

We’re a little behind on pimping all of the great teams that you’ve never heard of in California, so let’s start with looking backward to the three regionals in the state of California. Wow, can you believe it? 3 regionals! That’s three more regionals than Michigan will have all season, as illustrated by this graph below:

http://i.imgur.com/lVA5faw.png

Why do people think Michigan is so great again?

What a wild week first two weeks in the state of California! Did you know that California is home to one of the only outdoor FRC events in the world? That’s right! In San Diego their Del Mar Arena quickly turns from a pony showcase to a robot rumble. Why are there no outdoor events in Florida? Someone should try having one of those in Orlando. Analyzing the action, a great upset storyline appeared: the team that finished first in OPR, 3255, lost in the semifinals and the team that finished second in OPR, 3021, won in the finals after knocking off the team that was third in OPR, 821, in the semis! What a wild turn of events worthy of deeper analysis. Let’s look at some match video to find out more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmkSUq_yDHI


Wow! Take that, PNW!

Obviously, we’d be remiss to not bring up all of the great talent that headlined one of California’s Week 2 events. The Los Angeles Regional really proved that these robots can stand strong in the Hollywood Hills of Long Beach, CA.


2015 Hall of Fame team 987 took home the gold in another stunning upset. As we analyzed early in the season, 90% of all teams wanted to go under the low bar. If we extrapolate that data, we know for sure that exactly 2823.3 teams will be able to go under the low bar, but only 4 teams can win a world championship! While their chances will double in 2017, the odds are still rough. Even with the data definitely against 987, they were able to pull off the miracle against a very tall 330. How did they do it? It probably helps that they were paired up with 1197, a team that needs no introduction, and 5012, a team that needs introduction despite the fact that they won a championship last year! [http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1504947#post1504947 At least 1197 was tall, so they knew what they were doing. Congrats to all 3 of the winners, including honorary Californian 987.


It was very surprising to see long standing powerhouse, Code Orange, 3476, miss semifinals with their tall R2D2 imitation. Will triwheels help put this team back on top or was the missing orange and turquoise paint the key to victory that slipped from their fingers? Look to the aptly named Orange County Regional at the hallowed halls of Valencia High School in Week 5 to find out.

One event that really surprised us at WestCoastBestCoast was the Central Valley Regional. Plucky underdog 254 came out with a machine that wowed many people across the FRC community, and seeing 1678’s two ball auto in action on the field was a surprising sight. On the surface, it surprised a lot of people when the Citrus Circuits passed on the hometown heroes of 1323 and went for the slowly growing group of rebels from Bellarmine College Prep. However, a closer look at the data reveals a different picture:

http://i.imgur.com/mz40tsg.png

Looks like the 1678’s legendary scouting system made the right call.

Let’s not overlook the accomplishments of other underappreciated teams who competed in Madera, like 1671’s return to action after leading their alliance to a World Championship in 2015. They finished out in the quarterfinals to a rising star 5817, a team that is famous for having absolutely no relationship to that bird team that shall not be named, guys. [Editor’s note: joke about a bench grinder should go here, the kids love those jokes]

Also, shout out to Adam Heard on 973, who was finally recognized for incredible accomplishments in not hitting alliance partners with his WFFA win this week.

Looking Forward:

Finally, the good stuff! Let’s look forward to all of the action in California for Week 3:

https://youtu.be/sOszirJluaQ?t=308

See you in Week 4!

marshall
16-03-2016, 15:09
LOL! I'm waiting on these for Minnesota, Texas, and the southeast now. Too funny. Love it!

BigJ
16-03-2016, 15:14
This might be a great thread in CD history.

MikLast
16-03-2016, 15:14
You should be CaliCoastBestCoast because you missed most of the west coast....

Still liked this analysis though ;)

ATannahill
16-03-2016, 15:14
I'm going to go get a large thing of popcorn, maybe a corndog as well.

PayneTrain
16-03-2016, 15:16
Sure, you may be wondering why an account called “WestCoastBestCoast” is only covering the state of California, but as we all know the FRC community had massive east coast bias, compounded by GameSense, whose east coast bias stretches all the way out to Washington and Oregon.


You should be CaliCoastBestCoast because you missed most of the west coast....

Still liked this analysis though ;)

WCBC explains themselves pretty well, I think.

barn34
16-03-2016, 15:26
The statistical evidence presented in this post is without equal. That's some serious Sabermetrics-meets-FRC second level stuff. WCBC just changed the scouting landscape, forever. Take notes, people. Take notes.

Gregor
16-03-2016, 15:35
It was very surprising to see long standing powerhouse, Code Orange, 3476, miss semifinals with their tall R2D2 imitation. Will triwheels help put this team back on top or was the missing orange and turquoise paint the key to victory that slipped from their fingers? Look to the aptly named Orange County Regional at the hallowed halls of Valencia High School in Week 5 to find out.



Don't forget about their hard earned spirit award!

Pauline Tasci
16-03-2016, 16:12
Don't forget about their hard earned spirit award!

LOL

SenorZ
16-03-2016, 16:37
Dude, West Coast Drive is named west coast drive for a reason. It isn't for the west coast of Europe.

Richard Wallace
16-03-2016, 17:05
Dude, West Coast Drive is named west coast drive for a reason. It isn't for the west coast of Europe.

West Coast of Michigan? 😎

Thad House
16-03-2016, 17:07
Good morning! It is totally the morning on the west coast, where we, faceless but secretly prominent west-coasters, live.


3 minutes late for being considered morning over here on the best coast. tisk tisk.

Ty Tremblay
16-03-2016, 18:11
3 minutes late for being considered morning over here on the best coast. tisk tisk.
After the statistical prowess that WCBC just showed, I'm willing to let them define what morning is.

AdamHeard
16-03-2016, 18:36
After the statistical prowess that WCBC just showed, I'm willing to let them define what morning is.

I'll need a graph for that.

barn34
16-03-2016, 18:59
I'll need a graph for that.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/03/pie6.jpg

You mean like that? Lol.

rsisk
16-03-2016, 19:10
Dude, West Coast Drive is named west coast drive for a reason. It isn't for the west coast of Europe.

Because it was invented in Arizona?

Akash Rastogi
16-03-2016, 20:19
Dying

matthewdenny
16-03-2016, 20:53
The OP has 2 posts in 1 day to his credit, and check out that reputation.

Does WCBC's reputation go up to 11? *obligatory Spinal Tap reference.

WCBC
16-03-2016, 21:33
http://i.imgur.com/rUhKnjX.png

http://i.imgur.com/pflU8Ve.png

Lil' Lavery
16-03-2016, 21:50
Color scheme of that graph is identical to Game Sense. Coincidence? You decide.

WCBC
16-03-2016, 21:52
Color scheme of that graph is identical to Game Sense. Coincidence? You decide.

we dont recognize the regime in NE/PNW as legitimate

Lil' Lavery
16-03-2016, 21:55
we dont recognize the regime in NE/PNW as legitimate

Posting during your own show? Impressive.

Akash Rastogi
16-03-2016, 21:59
Sean is probably fun at parties.:p

Eugene Fang
16-03-2016, 22:05
http://i.imgur.com/mz40tsg.png

Shots fired.

Thad House
17-03-2016, 02:29
Maybe 1717 will win California Week 3.

Too soon?

Anupam Goli
17-03-2016, 02:34
Maybe 1717 will win California Week 3.

Too soon?

Lik dis if u cri evertim :(

brandon.cottrell
17-03-2016, 02:45
the team that was third in OPR, 821,

I believe you mean 812, who also won the Regional Chairman's Award at CVR last weekend.

Koko Ed
17-03-2016, 03:29
Don't forget about their hard earned spirit award!

That's just Pauline overwhelming the judges and them giving them the award in defense to call her off.

Liam Fay
17-03-2016, 10:10
We are pretty great.

WCBC
17-03-2016, 11:34
We are very encouraged by the positive response.

254 was more than happy to provide us with some strategies to help other teams do well at their future events. Caveats apply: this only works at select California events, but all other events are invalid anyway.

We all know how hard it is to make a great second pick. The rising star of San Jose might have a method some teams should look in to:

http://i.imgur.com/RB2OwGt.png

Thanks for all of the help, guys and gals!

AdamHeard
17-03-2016, 11:39
We are very encouraged by the positive response.

254 was more than happy to provide us with some strategies to help other teams do well at their future events. Caveats apply: this only works at select California events, but all other events are invalid anyway.

We all know how hard it is to make a great second pick. The rising star of San Jose might have a method some teams should look in to:

http://i.imgur.com/RB2OwGt.png

Thanks for all of the help, guys and gals!


Whoa whoa, your flowchart is missing some critical pieces. There is no sandbag #1 pick.


We're still working on sandbag #1 seed, not really sure how to accomplish that one yet.

Andrew Schreiber
17-03-2016, 11:45
Whoa whoa, your flowchart is missing some critical pieces. There is no sandbag #1 pick.


We're still working on sandbag #1 seed, not really sure how to accomplish that one yet.

I'm still amazed you managed to sandbag WFFA...

CMP Conference talk on competitive sandbagging?

bkahl
17-03-2016, 11:48
There is no sandbag #1 pick.

Hmmm here I was thinking CVR 2014 was all a master plan..

Nuttyman54
17-03-2016, 11:52
I'm still amazed you managed to sandbag WFFA...

CMP Conference talk on competitive sandbagging?

Minor nitpicky point here: The students had to submit the WFFA nomination, which means that Adam himself couldn't sandbag it. It therefore follows that he has been incredibly successful at mentoring his students on how to sandbag properly and all the necessary communication skills to pull it off. Which means he rightfully deserved the WFFA...so...it wasn't sandbagged?

It brings us to the existential questions: If one intends to sandbag and accidentally doesn't, was it still sandbagging? Did Adam's communication skills actually fail in such a way that he taught anti-sandbagging? Is the whole WFFA premised on a sham? And if so, was the sandbagging actually successful? Is Adam actually Darude? We may never know.

(All joking aside, well deserved Adam, regardless of how well you taught them sandbagging or not)

Citrus Dad
17-03-2016, 12:26
We usually work with 254 to find the most non-functional robot at the competition as our joint 2nd pick. We pit test them and if any electrical current flows we immediately drop them from our list. Some teams are better showing dysfunctionality than others.

BTW, how am I supposed to decipher your graphics if you don't put numbers on them?

Akash Rastogi
17-03-2016, 12:45
I hope one day we'll be good enough that when we suck, people will think we're sandbagging, instead of just sucking. That's every mentor's dream, right?

Lil' Lavery
17-03-2016, 12:59
I hope one day we'll be good enough that when we suck, people will think we're sandbagging, instead of just sucking. That's every mentor's dream, right?

I've been sandbagging for 14 years now.

Tom Bottiglieri
17-03-2016, 13:11
I hope one day we'll be good enough that when we suck, people will think we're sandbagging, instead of just sucking. That's every mentor's dream, right?
This only works if you get picked #1 overall after said stinking, based entirely on the fact that the top seed doesn't want to play against you.

Pauline Tasci
17-03-2016, 13:13
That's just Pauline overwhelming the judges and them giving them the award in defense to call her off.

LOL. I don't think I've actually talked to a judge since 2013.

RoboChair
17-03-2016, 14:38
This only works if you get picked #1 overall after said stinking, based entirely on the fact that the top seed doesn't want to play against you.

Fear our can grabbers!

No, seriously. I'm amazed they passed safety inspection and didn't maim anyone.

Can't score points if we have the cans.

Can race=worst race

Andrew Schreiber
17-03-2016, 14:51
Can race=worst race

That's Racist.

bkahl
17-03-2016, 14:57
Fear our can grabbers!



Are you sure he's referencing you?

Peyton Yeung
17-03-2016, 15:00
Fear our can grabbers!

No, seriously. I'm amazed they passed safety inspection and didn't maim anyone.

Can't score points if we have the cans.

Can race=worst race

Worse than minibot race?

At least with can races you'd see the occasional battle over the center line.

Richard Wallace
17-03-2016, 15:27
Worse than minibot race?I think 2009 auton was the worst race. All six robots turned tail and ran away from the humans.

RoboChair
17-03-2016, 16:35
That's Racist.
Yes, yes it is.

Are you sure he's referencing you?
No, but the statement does at least fit. We only did 5 stacks and many teams saw that as a detriment.

Worse than minibot race?

At least with can races you'd see the occasional battle over the center line.
That's a fair argument, but watching minibots go flying off sometimes when hitting the top was highly entertaining. Also the fight to get in position with the poles increased the anticipation and excitement.

Kevin Leonard
17-03-2016, 16:44
I'm just imagining some oblivious freshman browsing this thread and going "Wow these people are all so arrogant".

+1 to the WCBC flowchart, though. I'll make sure to flowchart our picklists in the future based on teams sandbagging.

Koko Ed
17-03-2016, 20:30
LOL. I don't think I've actually talked to a judge since 2013.

Self imposed or team initiated?

EricH
17-03-2016, 21:28
Self imposed or team initiated?
I think she meant to add "as a student" to that one.

Andrew Schreiber
18-03-2016, 00:16
Self imposed or team initiated?

There's a warning in the judge manual.

CLAMPS
18-03-2016, 00:23
There's a warning in the judge manual.

YEAH, OR YOU'LL GET DA CLAMPS!

marshall
18-03-2016, 08:48
YEAH, OR YOU'LL GET DA CLAMPS!

Better than the 2 CHAMPS!

Koko Ed
19-03-2016, 02:34
Better than the 2 CHAMPS!

Why do kep[;e keep calling it 2 Champs? It's like winning the AFC championship and thinking that's good enough. It's a half championship.You get the other half if you meet the other half champion at an unofficial (but prestigious) off season event that FIRST has no real affiliation with to settle the argument of who really is the true champion (God forbid they say no).

marshall
19-03-2016, 10:00
Why do kep[;e keep calling it 2 Champs? It's like winning the AFC championship and thinking that's good enough. It's a half championship.You get the other half if you meet the other half champion at an unofficial (but prestigious) off season event that FIRST has no real affiliation with to settle the argument of who really is the true champion (God forbid they say no).

#NoHalfChamps

SenorZ
19-03-2016, 10:32
A note about districts in the state of California:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpqiq-FHDV4

Concerning the push/pull for/against districts in California... there was a proposed ballot measure that needs serious consideration.
20383

The next step is kicking the badminton teams out of the gym so we can set up the field.

Boltman
19-03-2016, 11:52
Concerning the push/pull for/against districts in California... there was a proposed ballot measure that needs serious consideration.
20383

The next step is kicking the badminton teams out of the gym so we can set up the field.

Looks just like the proposal to break CA into multiple states