Chezy Champs 2016 [Archive]

NickE

25-05-2016, 16:18

Team 254 Presents: Chezy Champs

When: Saturday & Sunday, September 24-25, 2016 (With Friday Night Load-In)
Where: Bellarmine College Prep, San Jose, California
Registration: $300 ($600 for field-side pit)

Team 254 is excited to announce that Chezy Champs is returning for the third year! This will be an off-season FRC tournament and we will be playing the 2016 FRC game, Stronghold, with some modifications. As in past years, the focus of the event is on the team experience and we hope teams will have a great time while enjoying an entertaining show.

Applications
Fill out this application form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/183FspHWlWEZtF8WEjaWPsciKbEDlq-BO4YQ2YOFEz0o/viewform). If more teams than we have room for apply before the deadline, selections will be made based on criteria that include competitiveness, locality, and other factors.

Timeline
Application Open: May 25
Application Closed: June 10
Team List Finalized, Invitations Sent: June 13

Volunteers
We need many volunteers to make Chezy Champs a success! If you are interested in helping out, please fill out this form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EjMUl-NfPnxntEaLV7Zr5T8qUBxAlQj09cvFXSCEqBM/viewform).

Mark Sheridan

25-05-2016, 16:30

Sounds fun. Application sent.

frcguy

25-05-2016, 16:52

We're stoked! Application sent.

Pauline Tasci

25-05-2016, 16:53

Awesome! Can't wait for the game updates!

alicen

25-05-2016, 17:16

sent in a volunteer form! :)

pandamonium

25-05-2016, 17:24

When will game updates be announced?

Michael Corsetto

25-05-2016, 17:55

Applied!

sanddrag

25-05-2016, 18:18

Application in progress. This is a great event and a wonderful trip to the Bay Area for us. We hope to attend for a 3rd year!

AdamHeard

25-05-2016, 18:22

Applied. Excited to play at the best CA offseason.

seg9585

25-05-2016, 21:34

Applied on behalf of Team 4276!

billbo911

25-05-2016, 23:20

Applied for 2073.
Volunteer app submitted.

frcguy

26-05-2016, 01:55

Volunteers
We need many volunteers to make Chezy Champs a success! If you are interested in helping out, please fill out this form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EjMUl-NfPnxntEaLV7Zr5T8qUBxAlQj09cvFXSCEqBM/viewform).

Is there a way I can sign up to volunteer only if we aren't accepted?

NickE

26-05-2016, 10:54

Is there a way I can sign up to volunteer only if we aren't accepted?The volunteer form will be open for a while after we announce invited teams.

frcguy

26-05-2016, 12:27

The volunteer form will be open for a while after we announce invited teams.

Great, thanks!

Jeremy Germita

26-05-2016, 16:54

Applied!

Always a fun event. Can't wait to see what rule changes will be implemented.

Bob Steele

27-05-2016, 15:14

We hope you will consider us again for a place. We have a great time down there with our new friends...

pHolmgren

28-05-2016, 00:43

SOTAbots are applied and ready to go! Hope to see you all down there!

NickE

07-06-2016, 18:58

Reminder to all that we'll be closing applications on Friday.

Application form is here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/183FspHWlWEZtF8WEjaWPsciKbEDlq-BO4YQ2YOFEz0o/viewform).

NickE

10-06-2016, 16:56

We'll be accepting application up to midnight tonight (PST). Please reach out to us if you have any issues with the application.

We have received quite a bit of interest and will likely not be able to fit all the teams who applied. Teams who are not accepted or who apply late will be put on a wait list.

frcguy

13-06-2016, 18:34

Invites still going out today?

NickE

13-06-2016, 18:43

Invites still going out today?Invitations will go out tonight. All teams who applied will receive notifications on if they were accepted or waitlisted, sent to the primary contact on the application.

FarmerJohn

13-06-2016, 18:49

Invitations will go out tonight. All teams who applied will receive notifications on if they were accepted or waitlisted, sent to the primary contact on the application.

Are there plans to post who has been invited, or will there only be a post of who has been accepted?

frcguy

13-06-2016, 19:02

Invitations will go out tonight. All teams who applied will receive notifications on if they were accepted or waitlisted, sent to the primary contact on the application.

Thanks, sounds good.

NickE

14-06-2016, 00:02

Invitations have been sent. The list of invited teams is posted below. If you did not receive a response via email that you were either invited or waitlisted, please let us know.

Note that the event currently has a wait list. If you do not intend on coming, please let us know so that we may free up your spot. 8 971 2135 5012
114 972 2557 5026
115 973 3250 5499
254 1197 3256 5677
399 1323 3309 5803
604 1671 3476 5817
696 1678 3663 5829
701 1836 3859 5924
766 1868 4276 5940
841 1967 4488
846 1983 4543
968 2073 4904

frcguy

14-06-2016, 00:04

Invitations have been sent. The list of invited teams is posted below.

Note that the event currently has a wait list. If you do not intend on coming, please let us know so that we may free up your spot. 8 971 2135 5012
114 972 2557 5026
115 973 3250 5499
254 1197 3256 5677
399 1323 3309 5803
604 1671 3476 5817
696 1678 3663 5829
701 1836 3859 5924
766 1868 4276 5940
841 1967 4488
846 1983 4543
968 2073 4904

Awesome! We're really excited. Excited to play with everyone, looks like a great group of teams. Also happy Apex is coming down!

niklas674

14-06-2016, 01:12

Pauline Tasci

14-06-2016, 01:21

Pat Fairbank

14-06-2016, 22:57

Here are the rules we will be playing with at Chezy Champs:

Chezy Champs will be played under the FIRST Stronghold rules (http://frclinks.com/d) with the following modifications:

1. The initial TOWER STRENGTH will be 10.

2. The Low Bar will always be in Position 1. The remaining available DEFENSES will be: Cheval de Frise, Moat, Ramparts, Rock Wall, Rough Terrain. There are no DEFENSE categories; any four of the five will be present in Positions 2 to 5 of the OUTER WORKS. The Portcullis, Drawbridge and Sally Port will not be used at Chezy Champs.

3. During qualification matches, the DEFENSES in Positions 2 to 5 will be randomly selected and placed once per round of all teams playing. There will be no audience selection of DEFENSES.

4. During playoff matches, each ALLIANCE will select the defenses and their placement in Positions 2 to 5 of their own OUTER WORKS.

5. A ROBOT contacting carpet in the opponent's SECRET PASSAGE may not contact opposing ROBOTS who are in contact with the carpet in the SECRET PASSAGE, regardless of who initiates the contact.

6. After a ROBOT CROSSES a DEFENSE in AUTO, it will no longer incur a FOUL for crossing the MIDLINE or contacting an opposing ROBOT.

7. There will be no playoff tiebreakers; all ties are replayed.

bkahl

14-06-2016, 23:04

Here are the rules we will be playing with at Chezy Champs:

Chezy gets it right again...

rtfgnow

15-06-2016, 00:07

frcguy

15-06-2016, 11:52

Chezy gets it right again...

+1

Sean4488

15-06-2016, 12:09

+1

+2 :)

Pat Fairbank

15-06-2016, 17:52

Rule 6 uses CROSSES instead of crosses when talking about moving over the defense, is it intentional to prevent a spybot from going back into the neutral zone and crossing the midline without again entering the opponents courtyard?
The intent here is to provide a factor of safety for teams who want to pick up a second ball from the midline, or start teleop back in the center without risk of coasting across while disabled. We don't want to enable any defensive shenanigans.

ThunderChief

15-06-2016, 18:23

For those a little rusty on the team numbers :confused: , here are the names and locations of teams on the Chezy Champs 2016 current list: :yikes:
8 Palo Alto, CA Team 8
114 Los Altos, CA Eagle Strike
115 Cupertino, CA MVRT
254 San Jose, CA The Cheesy Poofs
399 Lancaster, CA Eagle Robotics
604 San Jose, CA Quixilver
696 La Crescenta, CA Circuit Breakers
701 Fairfield, CA RoboVikes
766 Atherton, CA M-A Bears
841 Richmond, CA The BioMechs
846 San Jose, CA The Funky Monkeys
968 West Covina, CA RAWC (Robotics Alliance Of West Covina)
971 Mountain View, CA Spartan Robotics
972 Los Gatos, CA Iron Claw
973 Atascadero, CA Greybots
1197 Torrance, CA TorBots
1323 Madera, CA MadTown Robotics
1671 Clovis, CA Buchanan Bird Brains
1678 Davis, CA Citrus Circuits
1836 Los Angeles, CA The MilkenKnights
1868 Moffett Field, CA Space Cookies
1967 San Jose, CA The Janksters
1983 Seattle, WA Skunk Works Robotics
2073 Elk Grove, CA EagleForce
2135 San Jose, CA Presentation Invasion
2557 Tacoma, WA SOTAbots
3250 Sacramento, CA Kennedy Robotics
3256 San Jose, CA WarriorBorgs
3309 Anaheim, CA Friarbots
3476 Irvine, CA Code Orange ;)
3663 Bothell, WA CPR - Cedar Park Robotics
3859 Elk Grove, CA Wolfpack Robotics
4276 Huntington Beach, CA Surf City Vikings
4488 Hillsboro, OR Shockwave
4543 San Jose, CA The Illuminators
4904 Hillsborough, CA Bot-Provoking
5012 Palmdale, CA Gryffingear
5026 Burlingame, CA Iron Panthers
5499 Berkeley, CA Berkeley High School Robotics
5677 San Jose, CA The Subatomic Smarticles
5803 Seatac, WA Apex Robotics
5817 Sanger, CA Uni-Rex
5829 Houston, TX AwtyBots
5924 San Francisco, CA SI Robotics
5940 Burlingame, CA B.R.E.A.D.

s-neff

15-06-2016, 20:25

841 is definitely excited - our Slack chat lit up the morning that the email came in :)

Good rules changes, too.

TheBoulderite

16-06-2016, 11:50

Wow! The team list looks stacked! This'll be a fun event to watch for sure!

niklas674

03-08-2016, 20:19

Pat Fairbank

03-08-2016, 22:19

In regards to the rule changes, one rule that i have seen many off season competitions remove is the driving over a boulder while in possession of a boulder foul... Will this rule change be used at Chezy Champs?
It's not actually an explicit rule, just a situation that some referees interpret as a violation of G38.

The referees at Chezy Champs are instructed to use common sense and always give the benefit of the doubt to the teams, so if a robot drives over a boulder and isn't obviously trying to control it, by that token they won't call a foul.

niklas674

03-08-2016, 22:49

It's not actually an explicit rule, just a situation that some referees interpret as a violation of G38.

The referees at Chezy Champs are instructed to use common sense and always give the benefit of the doubt to the teams, so if a robot drives over a boulder and isn't obviously trying to control it, by that token they won't call a foul.

Hey Patrick

Thank you for the clarification. I can't wait for Chezy Champs.

Niklas Murray

frcguy

14-08-2016, 14:12

I know it may be a little early for this, but does anyone want to trade shirts? I've got a whole bunch of 5940 shirts left over from Champs, and I am happy to trade with anyone in attendance.

Additionally, there are a few things I'm looking for in particular: a 1678 shirt, an 1868 snap-back hat, a 971 hat, any 254 shirt, and a 5803 shirt. For those items in particular I'm willing to trade a normal team shirt, one of our special "Rookie All-Star" shirts (has "2016 Silicon Valley Regional Rookie All-Star Award Winner" on the sleeve and a different design on the back), or just pay cash.

PM me if you are interested!

Francis-134

15-08-2016, 17:47

As part of our Chezy Champs coverage this year, GameSense is going to be creating some video content featuring YOUR team's story!

If your team is going to Chezy Champs, fill out this (https://goo.gl/forms/PL5U0iUF7yNZK8J12) survey by 9/9/16 and tell us about yourselves! If we decided to follow up on your team, we'll record some interviews with you in the pits at Chezy Champs and feature your team during the event on the big screen in the venue, and on the webcast.

The better and more thorough your responses are, the more likely you will end up being featured on the broadcast!

We're excited to be back for a third year, and we can't wait to talk about our new surprise for this year's event very soon.

frcguy

15-08-2016, 17:59

We're excited to be back for a third year, and we're can't wait to talk about our new surprise for this year's event very soon.

:ahh:

Xavbro

18-08-2016, 20:46

Hey everyone!!

The Awtybots are excited to attend Chezy Champs! We look forward to meeting everyone and making some new friends! We've made some change to our robot and should be ready to have some fun. We're also going to be bringing some shirts for trading so if anyone wants one, let me know so I'll make sure to have your size!

See y'all soon!

niklas674

22-08-2016, 01:08

Hey Everyone,

I'll be out with some 701 shirts for trade in any size. Some specific shirts that I'm looking for are a 1678 shirt, a 1983 shirt, and a 3476 shirt. That being said I'm willing to trade with anyone. If you are interested, please send me a pm and we'll make it work.

Niklas Murray

Jean Tenca

22-08-2016, 13:04

Regarding alliance selection, does Chezy Champs go 1-8, 1-8, 8-1 like IRI? We found video of the 2014 alliance selection where the official method was used and couldn't find anything for 2015. We also couldn't find anything about it in the rules. Thanks!

Edit: One additional question. Your original list included 45 teams, but the website now says there are only 43 teams going. Can we please get an updated list of attendees?

Cory

22-08-2016, 15:08

Jean Tenca

22-08-2016, 18:23

We will be drafting the same as at official FRC events 1-8, 8-1.

We will post an updated team list when payment is finalized.
Thanks, Cory! :D

Ty Tremblay

28-08-2016, 14:38

Here's a little peak into what GameSense has in store for Chezy Champs this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJhX_MCr3LY

frcguy

28-08-2016, 14:45

Here's a little peak into what GameSense has in store for Chezy Champs this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJhX_MCr3LY

Sounds awesome for the people watching at home! Everything about CC this year is looking great :D

Francis-134

28-08-2016, 19:00

Sounds awesome for the people watching at home! Everything about CC this year is looking great :D

Everything will also be live in the venue, so the folks in attendance can see it as well!

frcguy

28-08-2016, 19:12

Everything will also be live in the venue, so the folks in attendance can see it as well!

Even better! I can't wait to see our mistakes clutch plays on the big screen :p.

AlexanderLuke

28-08-2016, 19:20

Everything will also be live in the venue, so the folks in attendance can see it as well!

Seems like a great addition to what has already been great event coverage for the past two years! Chezy Champs and Gamesense are setting the bar yet again!

Even better! I can't wait to see our mistakes clutch plays on the big screen :p.

How about one of the best clutch plays ever (https://youtu.be/hun-FMdhOWU?t=1m58s)? That would be something to see as instant replay on the big screen :p

NickE

29-08-2016, 16:49

We're excited to open pre-orders for t-shirts and pizza at Chezy Champs 2016!
Reserve yourself a 2016 CC Shirt by ordering by Thursday, Sept 8. After the 8th, quantities will be limited.

Click here to pre-order. (https://www.bcp.org/calendars/events.aspx?action=ShowEventRegistrationForm&EventId=7ff96729-ef1d-4080-8b51-f860ba6617de&CurrentModuleId=576&CurrentParentModuleId=575)

https://media.team254.com/2016/08/8f0107ab-2016ccshirt.jpg

scca229

04-09-2016, 05:08

Has the 2016 edition of Cheesy Arena been released at this point? Searching I can find the last two years, but not FIRST Stronghold. Am I just flaking and missing it?

I ask due to an offseason I am FTA'ing in October that is planning on using it and want to familiarize myself with the software before I get to the venue.

Pat Fairbank

04-09-2016, 15:33

Has the 2016 edition of Cheesy Arena been released at this point?
We haven't released compiled binaries for Cheesy Arena yet and might not before Chezy Champs, but the source code is updated for 2016 so you can check it out from source and run it that way for now.

NickE

07-09-2016, 16:41

Reminder to order t-shirts by tomorrow to reserve your shirt. Limited quantities will be available after 9/8.

Click here to pre-order. (https://www.bcp.org/calendars/events.aspx?action=ShowEventRegistrationForm&EventId=7ff96729-ef1d-4080-8b51-f860ba6617de&CurrentModuleId=576&CurrentParentModuleId=575)

We haven't released compiled binaries for Cheesy Arena yet and might not before Chezy Champs, but the source code is updated for 2016 so you can check it out from source and run it that way for now.
A 2016 release is available here (https://github.com/Team254/cheesy-arena/releases/tag/v2016.1.0). Be sure to check Github before your event to check for any updates.

NickE

07-09-2016, 21:12

Edit: One additional question. Your original list included 45 teams, but the website now says there are only 43 teams going. Can we please get an updated list of attendees?

We're expecting the following teams at Chezy Champs. This is still subject to change if we have any last minute drop-outs.

4 846 1967 4904
114 968 2073 5012
115 971 2135 5026
254 972 3250 5677
399 973 3256 5700
604 1323 3309 5803
670 1351 3476 5817
696 1671 3663 5829
701 1678 3859 5924
766 1836 4488 5940
841 1868 4543

scca229

08-09-2016, 11:40

A 2016 release is available here (https://github.com/Team254/cheesy-arena/releases/tag/v2016.1.0). Be sure to check Github before your event to check for any updates.

Just had to wait until after I pestered Pat royally over the past few days while I got it running from built source, didn't ya? :D Thanks for the help Pat! Twas a good exercise.

billbo911

08-09-2016, 12:16

Just had to wait until after I pestered Pat royally over the past few days while I got it running from built source, didn't ya? :D Thanks for the help Pat! Twas a good exercise.

I've been fortunate enough to have it running for a few weeks now. Pat and I were working on an LED lighting project that allowed me to get access a bit earlier than normal. Unfortunately, the Addressable LED string version is on the shelf this year.
That aside, I have CA 2016 running on an Raspberry Pi 3 and on a Windows 7 PC, both from source. I must say, the RPi actually handles this process extremely well! We will be testing the RPi server in our shop for a few weeks. It may even run Capital City Classic if it has no issues in the shop.

Francis-134

09-09-2016, 00:27

rithinrv

11-09-2016, 03:52

Hey Guys,

What type of ball will be used at the competition?

Is it the official FIRST boulder:
http://www.andymark.com/FRC16-p/am-3276.htm

or

Gopher FRC boulder:
http://www.gophersport.com/pe/pe-equip-balls-foam/gopher-10-dia-coated-foam-ball-for-first-robotics-competition?sku_id=13898

NickE

11-09-2016, 10:56

What type of ball will be used at the competition?

We'll be using the gray FIRST boulders.

frcguy

12-09-2016, 01:26

Will there be other merchandise (hats, 254 shirts, etc.) available for purchase?

NickE

12-09-2016, 19:31

Will there be other merchandise (hats, 254 shirts, etc.) available for purchase?Yep, we'll have some 254 shirts for sale.

NickE

15-09-2016, 11:21

A few more updates. Chezy Champs is just 9 days away.

Schedule
To ensure that each team gets a full ten qualification matches, we have decided to extend the event schedule slightly. We will now be running qualification matches until 7pm on Saturday night and will be starting matches at 9:30 on Sunday morning. An updated schedule is posted on the event website (https://chezychamps.com/#schedule). We'll get a preliminary match schedule generated and sent out in the next week.

Pit Map
The preliminary pit map has been posted here (https://media.team254.com/2016/09/95db07d0-CC-2016-Pit-Map.pdf). Note that this may change if we have any last minute drop outs or additions.

Swag Preorders & Pizza Sales
Limited quantities of event t-shirts, as well as pizzas, are still available for sale. Pre-order here (https://www.bcp.org/calendars/events.aspx?action=ShowEventRegistrationForm&EventId=7ff96729-ef1d-4080-8b51-f860ba6617de&CurrentModuleId=576&CurrentParentModuleId=575), and forward this information along to your teams!.

NickE

18-09-2016, 23:38

Less than a week away. A few more updates.

Preliminary Match Schedule
We've posted a preliminary qualification match schedule here (https://media.team254.com/2016/09/978707da-CC2016-Qualification-Preliminary.pdf). This is subject to change if we have any no show teams or if any unexpected situations arise.

Rule Changes
We will be playing with four team elimination alliances. Full rule changes available here (https://chezychamps.com/#rules).

Load-In
Load in will be on Friday from 6pm-9pm and on Saturday morning from 8am onward.

Pit Map
The pit map has been posted here (https://media.team254.com/2016/09/95db07d0-CC-2016-Pit-Map.pdf).

Swag Preorders & Pizza Sales
Pizza is still available for pre-order, and limited quantities of event t-shirts are still available for sale. Pre-order here (https://www.bcp.org/calendars/events.aspx?action=ShowEventRegistrationForm&EventId=7ff96729-ef1d-4080-8b51-f860ba6617de&CurrentModuleId=576&CurrentParentModuleId=575), and forward this information along to your teams!.

JackFisher

19-09-2016, 23:08

Team 973 is looking forward to playing!

https://youtu.be/reMs3HtdNwA

NickE

20-09-2016, 11:26

Swag Preorders & Pizza Sales
Pizza is still available for pre-order, and limited quantities of event t-shirts are still available for sale. Pre-order here (https://www.bcp.org/calendars/events.aspx?action=ShowEventRegistrationForm&EventId=7ff96729-ef1d-4080-8b51-f860ba6617de&CurrentModuleId=576&CurrentParentModuleId=575), and forward this information along to your teams!.

Apologies to those who tried to order and could not. The form has been re-opened until tomorrow morning. We have pizzas and limited supply of t-shirts still available.

ThunderChief

20-09-2016, 20:13

Based on the Pit Map, there are 41 teams coming: ::rtm::
4 < Team 4 ELEMENT > Van Nuys, CA
114 < Eagle Strike > Los Altos, CA
115 < MVRT > Cupertino, CA
254 < The Cheesy Poofs > San Jose, CA
399 < Eagle Robotics > Lancaster, CA
604 < Quixilver > San Jose, CA
696 < Circuit Breakers > La Crescenta, CA
701 < RoboVikes > Fairfield, CA
766 < M-A Bears > Atherton, CA
841 < The BioMechs > Richmond, CA
846 < The Funky Monkeys > San Jose, CA
968 < RAWC (Robotics Alliance Of West Covina) > West Covina, CA
971 < Spartan Robotics > Mountain View, CA
972 < Iron Claw > Los Gatos, CA
973 < Greybots > Atascadero, CA
1351 < TKO > San Jose, CA
1671 < Buchanan Bird Brains > Clovis, CA
1678 < Citrus Circuits > Davis, CA
1836 < The MilkenKnights > Los Angeles, CA
1868 < Space Cookies > Moffett Field, CA
1967 < The Janksters > San Jose, CA
2073 < EagleForce > Elk Grove, CA
2135 < Presentation Invasion > San Jose, CA
3250 < Kennedy Robotics > Sacramento, CA
3256 < WarriorBorgs > San Jose, CA
3309 < Friarbots > Anaheim, CA
3476 < Code Orange :) > Irvine, CA
3663 < CPR - Cedar Park Robotics > Bothell, Washington
3859 < Wolfpack Robotics > Elk Grove, CA
4488 < Shockwave > Hillsboro, Oregon
4543 < The Illuminators > San Jose, CA
4904 < Bot-Provoking > Hillsborough, CA
5012 < Gryffingear > Palmdale, CA
5026 < Iron Panthers > Burlingame, CA
5499 < Berkeley High School Robotics > Berkeley, CA
5677 < The Subatomic Smarticles > San Jose, CA
5700 < SOTA Cyberdragons > San Francisco, CA
5803 < Apex Robotics > Seatac, Washington
5817 < Uni-Rex > Sanger, CA
5829 < AwtyBots > Houston, Texas
5924 < SI Robotics > San Francisco, CA

NickE

21-09-2016, 16:43

Chezy Champs is two days away! We're expecting 41 teams - team list and preliminary match schedule are on The Blue Alliance (thebluealliance.com/event/2016cc). A few more updates:

Robot Radios
We will only be supporting the Open-Mesh radios used during the 2016 season. If you don't have an Open-Mesh radio, please reach out to us as soon as possible.

Load-In
Load in will be on Friday from 6pm-9pm and on Saturday morning from 8am onward.

Event Map
A map of load-in locations is on the event website (https://chezychamps.com/#map). The pit map has been posted here (https://media.team254.com/2016/09/95db07d0-CC-2016-Pit-Map.pdf).

Pit Power & Batteries
As a reminder, power in the pits will be turned off each night. We recommend that you charge your batteries before coming to the event so that they start off fresh on Saturday morning. Field-side pits are unaffected.

As always, let us know if you have any questions or concerns.

billbo911

23-09-2016, 09:19

Team 973's students have been hard at work on their offseason robot: APOPHIS...

That looks like a very well-thought-out competitor! I can't wait to see it in action tomorrow!

Rachel Lim

23-09-2016, 19:22

For anyone interested in some last minute predictions/stats:

Using the preliminary match schedule and some component OPR / averages calculations, I ran some match predictions, which I used to predict overall rankings.

The ranking predictions, match predictions, and data used are here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VBNKt5ke7hK9-N_C5k9fF4ANlUgwiMQPx3KMu40LHAE/edit#gid=176192934

It should allow you to manually change match results to update the rankings automatically, but I haven't fully tested it out.

Here's a visual representation of the effect the match schedule has on teams (green = predicted rank is higher than opr rank, red = opposite):

http://i.imgur.com/0EV9gL0.jpg

More details on my formulas:
- Winning alliances are predicted on the alliances' total OPR
- Auto points are predicted on the alliances' total auto OPR
- Capturing is predicted on the alliances' total boulder OPRs (auto low, auto high, teleop low, teleop high), with 10 as the cutoff. Challenging/scaling wasn't taken into account .
- Breaching is kind of messy and I think I messed up the calculations somewhere (but every alliance is predicted to breach anyway so it doesn't really matter), but I used 4 as the cutoff for breaching a defense, with an alliance needing 5 to guarantee a breach (since defenses are randomized)
- Teams are ranked with RPs as the 1st order sort and auto points as the 2nd

Good luck to everyone!

MooreteP

24-09-2016, 10:46

For anyone interested in some last minute predictions/stats:

Using the preliminary match schedule and some component OPR / averages calculations, I ran some match predictions, which I used to predict overall rankings.

Rachel,

Your work is quite good.

Space Cookies at 22 might mean an alliance pick.

Looking forward to watching the webcast today while I grade papers, input grades, review IEP's, plan lessons, trim boxwoods, cut the grass...Rinse and repeat.

NickE

24-09-2016, 11:36

Qualification defense schedule is posted here (https://media.team254.com/2016/09/88450788-CC2016-QualDefense.pdf). We will be using the same schedule that was sent to teams and is posted on the blue alliance.

MooreteP

24-09-2016, 12:43

So,

If I would like to watch this "webcast" full screen, any suggestions.

Blue Alliance does not allow it.

Seems like web compatibility is a problem for everyone.

MooreteP

24-09-2016, 12:52

Fixed Problem.
Chose https://chezychamps.com over Blue Alliance.

throwaway

24-09-2016, 12:52

So,

If I would like to watch this "webcast" full screen, any suggestions.

Blue Alliance does not allow it.

Seems like web compatibility is a problem for everyone.

https://www.twitch.tv/frcgamesense

bdaroz

24-09-2016, 12:53

Are scores being posted to TBA?

plnyyanks

24-09-2016, 13:17

So,

If I would like to watch this "webcast" full screen, any suggestions.

Blue Alliance does not allow it.

Seems like web compatibility is a problem for everyone.

Sorry about that, minor issue with how TBA was embedding the twitch stream. It should be fixed now

Eugene Fang

24-09-2016, 13:19

So,

If I would like to watch this "webcast" full screen, any suggestions.

Blue Alliance does not allow it.

Seems like web compatibility is a problem for everyone.

Refresh GameDay on TBA and full screen should work. If not, try control+F5 to force a refresh.

We changed the Twitch player recently and didn't realize full screen was disabled by default.

Edit: Phil is too fast.

Eugene Fang

24-09-2016, 13:21

Are scores being posted to TBA?

They should be, we're looking into it.

MooreteP

24-09-2016, 13:41

Sorry about that, minor issue with how TBA was embedding the twitch stream. It should be fixed now

No Problem Phil. Thank you or your attention to this and all of the very good work that TBA does for FIRST.

Darn Interwebs.

plnyyanks

24-09-2016, 13:53

No Problem Phil. Thank you or your attention to this and all of the very good work that TBA does for FIRST.

Darn Interwebs.

No problem! Must have just been a kink in the intertubes, stopping all the 1 bits from getting around the corner ;)

mman1506

24-09-2016, 14:29

It would be great if Game Sense uploaded their robot intro photos to TBA.

bobbysq

24-09-2016, 18:17

Can we all just acknowledge how great Chezy Arena looks? This is way better than the official FMS and I'm honestly not sure why FIRST doesn't have anything better. My only issue is that it doesn't show the rankings for the teams that played at the end of a match.

bdaroz

24-09-2016, 22:57

Are scores being posted to TBA?

They should be, we're looking into it.

As evidenced by the 58 match flood that just hit, I'm going to guess it's fixed? :)

Side note, apparently quite a lot of teams at CC are being followed by the slack bot. Enough the Slack API throttled me. :eek:

NickE

25-09-2016, 09:56

We will be opening early this morning at 8am and running our replay matches from 8:30-9:00 am.

As a reminder, there are several road closures this morning relating to the San Jose Sharks event which will impact arrival at the event. A map of how to enter the main event parking lots on Hedding St. is here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yeoa9kfit2o6s6a/BCP_campus_map_2016.pdf?dl=0).

To reach the arena parking lot instead, take 87 to the Taylor St. Exit. Proceed under the train tracks and turn right onto Stockton. Take Stockton until the road turns and you reach the parking lot.

We do apologize for the late notice.

Ty Tremblay

25-09-2016, 14:35

All matches are being automatically recorded and uploaded by STEMtv and can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkooHIdr3KGAlcxZHq7mBvg) or on The Blue Alliance (http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2016cc).

Brian Maher

25-09-2016, 14:51

Alliances:

1) 971 1678 604 2135 (W)
2) 254 973 5924 696 (SF)
3) 4488 3250 1868 2073 (F)
4) 5803 3663 5829 701 (QF)
5) 968 114 5012 5817 (SF)
6) 3859 3476 1967 841 (QF)
7) 1671 3309 846 5026 (QF)
8) 4 5700 399 1836 (QF)

No declines.

Anteprefix

25-09-2016, 21:32

It was interesting to see 6/8 of the alliances use their 4th robot for at least one match.

CMBrandon

25-09-2016, 21:48

Congratulations to everyone that participated in this event. I would like to give a special shoutout to the Cooler Master teams that took part:

1868 Space Cookies
3476 Code Orange

Can't wait to see how this season goes!

TheBoulderite

26-09-2016, 12:24

Wow.

Congratulations to 971, 1678, 604, and 2135 on winning Chezy Champs! You all put on an awesome performance, and the win was well deserved. Also, a shoutout to 4488, 3250, 1868, and 2073! Upsetting a 254-973 alliance is no small feat, and you guys have much to be proud of on making it to the finals.

Thanks for putting on a great event, I enjoyed watching it!

Lando_Live

26-09-2016, 12:56

Team 5803 would like to thank team 254 once again for inviting us to Chezy Champs to compete with the best! We all had a blast!

NickE

26-09-2016, 13:08

Thanks to of the teams who attended Chezy Champs 2016 and to all of the volunteers who helped make this event as fun, exciting as pleasant as possible for all attendees. We hope that everybody had a great time and hope to see many of you back next year. Final event results and many of the match videos are available on The Blue Alliance (https://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2016cc).

If you have any comments or feedback regarding the event, we'd appreciate hearing what you have to say. Please fill out this form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdIWjm3_sGn6h-ZGxMnVRgln7i5bvq43DoVP878LGY6vVfeLA/viewform).

Jeremy Germita

26-09-2016, 13:15

Yet another stellar event in the books. Chezy Champs did not disappoint in any regard.

Congrats to the winners, 971, 1678, 604, and 2135. It was fun playing against you guys in the semis. The win is well deserved.

Four beautiful robots from 4488, 3250, 1868, 2073. Congrats on your run into the finals.

Thanks to our partners 968, 114, and 5817. We were stoked to finally get to play with 968. They're on the up and up again and we can't wait see how they do at Beach Blitz and the 2017 season. 114 and 5817 - Thanks for the solid defense and ball shuttling. This was key to our alliance's success in the quarters and critical if we were to have a fighting chance in the semifinals.

Thank you to the volunteers and planning committee for another successful event. One big thing that I think merits recognition is how quickly and open to communicate Nick Eyre and the rest of the crew were. They were quick to notify teams of nearby road closures, schedule adjustments, etc.

Thank you and congrats to everyone else!

Ali Ahmed

26-09-2016, 13:45

I, and Team 4, would also like to thank everyone that was at Chezy Champs this past weekend. 254 really knows how to throw a fun and professional event. Thank you to all the volunteers for your efficiency and generosity. There were only two of us setting up the pit on Friday evening (rest of the team flew in late) and a few very kind volunteers helped us out. Also, thank you to all the other teams who offered help to set up.

It was very fun playing with old friends again. And also very inspiring playing with and learning from teams we've never got to compete with before. I personally learned so much from many different teams. I now know the correct way to mount encoders.

Big shout out to teams 5700, 399, and 1836. Thanks for joining our alliance and having the patience with us for our robot and communication issues.

Special shout out to Keit for head reffing like a boss.

hionwind

26-09-2016, 13:58

Congratulations to all of the teams who competed hard with some of the best robots in the world at Chezy Champs.

Once again, Travis and 254 put on a stellar event to bring FRC to a whole new level of excitement. Thank you to all the volunteers for making every team's experience one to remember.

Thank you to our dear friends, 971, for picking us and helping us put together a solid alliance. We were astonished that 604 and 2135 were both still available for our second and third pick. You are both solid teams and added that extra ingredient necessary to go up against the formidable 3rd seed alliance.

Talking about the third seed alliance, when 4488 picked 3250, 1868 and 2073, I was already thinking that this would be our toughest opposition and that proved to be right. I especially want to give a big shout out to our friends 3250 who worked very hard in the off-season to improve their robot. You came out on fire from the beginning and continued to impress throughout the competition.

I'd also like to mention a few other teams that continue to impress me. 5924, you followed up your great rookie season with a strong showing at Chezy Champs and showed us all that young teams can still build great robots. 3859 and 5012, you worked hard in the off-season to redesign or improve your shooters and ended up being two of the best high-goal robots in the competition.

Lastly, kudos to 5499 for sticking in there when things were not going too well. After many frustrating matches and breakdowns, you finally pulled it all together in match 10 and scored several low-goal shots to help your alliance to a win and 4 RP's.

1678 is looking forward to seeing many of you at the next off season event, Capital City Classic, on October 22nd and 23rd.

billbo911

26-09-2016, 14:28

The first thing I would like to say about CC 2016 is a huge THANK YOU!!
Once again 254 put on a fantastic event!
A specific Thank You goes to Nick Eyre for the incredible amount of hard work you put in for this event!!

Wow. ...
Also, a shoutout to 4488, 3250, 1868, and 2073! Upsetting a 254-973 alliance is no small feat, and you guys have much to be proud of on making it to the finals.

Now, as for Elliminations.....
I can barely express our gratitude to 4488 Shockwave for seeing in us the potential we have. They masterfully used all four alliance partners to execute 7 match strategies that were a thing of beauty. Trust me when I say, upsetting 254-973 and then going toe to toe with Giants like 971, 1678 and 604 and coming as close as we did is the highlight of my time in FIRST. Let's just say, today I have no voice.

I also want to point out, if it were not for the help of our friends on 1678, we would not have been able to compete in the Finals match. We literally had our robot on it's side in the front of their pit at the beginning of Finals 1. With their help, we completely removed one of our drive transmissions and rebuilt it due to a stripped 2nd stage pinion. It was reassembled and ready to play in Finals 2, where we faced 1678. Tell me, where do you see that kind of behavior except in FIRST?

I would be negligent if I didn't tip my hat to 3250, Kennedy Robotics. You guys absolutely KILLED it the entire tournament! It was an honor to stand shoulder to shoulder with you facing Giants!

And as always, 1868 was another class act! It was a pleasure playing along side you again! We look forward to competing with you in 2017!

Congratulations to 971, 1678, 604, and 2135 on winning Chezy Champs!

jaredhk

26-09-2016, 15:29

Big shout out to teams 5700, 399, and 1836. Thanks for joining our alliance and having the patience with us for our robot and communication issues.

While I was not able to attend the actual event, it was clear that everyone was having a great time and still satisfied with the performance. I know I speak for many others when I say that I look forward to working with you again, soon.

Andrew_L

26-09-2016, 15:58

RoboChair

26-09-2016, 16:16

Alliance #3 (4488, 3250, 1868, and 2073) deserves some extra recognition for being gracious professionals and using their time-out card for alliance #2 when they needed more time before their match. There's a reason these teams got to the finals - they "get it".

I have been around for a lot of elimination matches I can say that seeing another alliance use their timeout card to benefit an opposing alliance is a very rare happening indeed. It's an act of Gracious Professionalism that deserves some serious respect.

TheBoulderite

26-09-2016, 16:57

Alliance #3 (4488, 3250, 1868, and 2073) deserves some extra recognition for being gracious professionals and using their time-out card for alliance #2 when they needed more time before their match. There's a reason these teams got to the finals - they "get it".

I didn't realize that they did that. Thanks for showing us all what gracious professionalism means, Alliance #3!

AdamHeard

26-09-2016, 17:21

Thanks to 254 and all the volunteers from other teams for putting on what is clearly the best run CA offseason event.

The Greybots had a great time as usual, and look forward to coming back next year.

I was pretty hands for the event, but I know my kids had a great time working and playing with 696, 5924 and 254.

Wow.

Congratulations to 971, 1678, 604, and 2135 on winning Chezy Champs! You all put on an awesome performance, and the win was well deserved. Also, a shoutout to 4488, 3250, 1868, and 2073! Upsetting a 254-973 alliance is no small feat, and you guys have much to be proud of on making it to the finals.

I wouldn't even call it an upset!

3250's robot is very, very good. Great up close 1241 style shot, and an unblockable shot from the defenses that is very accurate.

They should be proud of the work they put in, and hopefully we get a chance to play with them at Capital City Classic.

Rachel Lim

26-09-2016, 19:21

Thank you to 254 for another amazing event. It's strange to think that this was the last Chezy Champs I'd attend as a student, but it was definitely a great last event and I hope to be back in the future in some way or another.

Thank you to 4488, 3250, and 2073--it was an honor to play with you guys. Thanks for looking past our issues on Saturday and selecting us to your alliance.
4488, I still remember the first time I heard of your team, when I saw your 2014 reveal video. I've watched each one since, and been amazed by all. I'm glad I finally got the chance to see one up close.
3250, beautiful robot, and definitely one of the best there. Hard to believe I haven't seen you play in person since my freshman year, but hopefully I'll see you guys again soon.
2073, I honestly can't believe you fell that far or got picked after us. A friend and I ranked teams on Saturday night, and you were high on our list. It's hard to believe it's been almost 3 years since Sac 2014, but it was great to alliance together again.

Congratulations to 971, 1678, 604, and 2135 on a well deserved win. Your alliance was just amazing to watch. The sheer number of boulders scored was just scary (in a good way).

Also, a thank you 254, 2135, and 1678 for letting us borrow your USB cable, ethernet dongle, and pistons. We definitely wouldn't have made it as far as we did without you guys.

icecube45

26-09-2016, 21:46

Yet another stellar event in the books.
Thanks to our partners 968, 114, and 5817. We were stoked to finally get to play with 968. They're on the up and up again and we can't wait see how they do at Beach Blitz and the 2017 season. 114 and 5817 - Thanks for the solid defense and ball shuttling. This was key to our alliance's success in the quarters and critical if we were to have a fighting chance in the semifinals.

We had a solid run as an alliance and a great time as a team, I'd like to second that thanks to 968 and 5812, and of course, back to you guys at 5012.

I'd also like to thank 254 and all the volunteers it took to make Chezy Champs such a success. We at 114 used it as a way to involve new members to the team, and Chezy Champs offers an environment that shows off the best of FIRST.

Xavbro

26-09-2016, 23:19

Greg McKaskle

27-09-2016, 12:02

billbo911

27-09-2016, 13:18

If your team had issues with an unexpected estop, can you please PM me? I would love to get access to some log files and get a description of when this occurred and some general description of your team's robot.

Greg McKaskle

Hi Greg, I don't know what information you have on this already, but I saw it at least 3 times. I was working as an FTAA at CC. Every time we saw the unexpected estop, it appeared in Autonomous right around .006 -.007 seconds into the match.
The theory was, it was somehow cached by the DS prior to the start of the match, and sent to the FMS as soon as the the Autonomous Enable packet was received.
The workaround we used was to have each team restart the DS software as soon as they arrived at the field to connect and set up. As far as I am aware, no erroneous estops occured when this process was followed.

NickE

27-09-2016, 13:20

Hi Greg, I don't know what information you have on this already, but I saw it at least 3 times. I was working as an FTAA at CC. Every time we saw the unexpected estop, it appeared in Autonomous right around .006 -.007 seconds into the match.
The theory was, it was somehow cached by the DS prior to the start of the match, and sent to the FMS as soon as the the Autonomous Enable packet was received.
The workaround we used was to have each team restart the DS software as soon as they arrived at the field to connect and set up. As far as I am aware, no erroneous estops occured when this process was followed.Thanks, Bill, for the information. Quick clarifification that the Cheesy Arena logs show that no robots were e-stopped and this manifested on the FMS side as lost robot communications. Possibly a bug in the driver station software. The fix Bill describes worked well throughout our event.

NickE

27-09-2016, 13:27

The Awtybots have made it safely back home to Texas. We had a blast meeting and competing with everyone at Chezy! It was an awesome experience and a very well run event!

Thanks to 5803, 3663 and 701 for having us apart of your alliance. It was great talking strategy with you guys and seeing how your teams work. 701's scouting program was awesome to get a look at during lunch. We appreciate you guys giving us a chance even though our robot had issue after issue throughout the event until it finally gave out at the end.

Once again, thanks to 254 for inviting us to Chezy Champs. It was an honor to be invited to play with the Best of the West!Xavier,

254 is thrilled that 5829 was able to make it to the event - your team is a class act and it is always a blast playing with new teams that we don't normally see at the California regionals.
We're glad you had a great time and hope you'll consider coming back in future years.

Nick

AlexanderLuke

27-09-2016, 15:32

I'd like to extend my thank you to Team 254, Bellarmine College Prep, and all of the Chezy Champs volunteers for putting on this event. Chezy Champs has been an event that Team 696 has looked forward to every year for the past three years, and we hope that we can attend again next year! This year the event continued to run in its very polished ways, from the teams to competing to those who allowed us to be able to compete. Thank you all for your hard work in making the 2016 Chezy Champs as amazing as we all knew it would be. We understand the level of coordination and planning needed to make an event of this scale run so smoothly, and we appreciate it all.

Thank you to the referees, volunteers, and FTA crews who helped us along the way this past weekend. We were constantly plagued through Saturday and Sunday by intermittent controls systems issues that we have yet to repeatably replicate, but the support and generosity shown was very gracious of them to offer. To the GameSense crew, your work and coverage of Chezy Champs has been impeccable and only been getting better. For us, being featured on the big screen was an honor and a pleasure to be a part of.

To our elimination partners of 254, 973, and 5924, thank you for inviting us to join your alliance. We had a great time playing with you all, and being able to collaborate with you opened our eyes to how the best teams operate in eliminations. We played in the semifinals when our alliance captain was down, and being able to even stand on the same side of the glass with these teams was an experience in itself. Thank you for the opportunity to play despite our spotty performance during qualifications.

Congratulations of course to 971, 1678, 604, and 2135. Your alliance displayed immense scoring abilities on the field, and it was a delight to watch those matches. To the third alliance of 4488, 3250, 1868, and 2073, you put on a wonderful show in semifinals against our alliance and within the finals. Your alliance was another formidable collection of teams amongst the many others at Chezy Champs.

Thanks for bringing together the Best in the West!

WynS

28-09-2016, 00:08

Wow! Once again, 254 has put on another great Chezy Champs competition. 971 was honored to compete with the Best of the West.

Thanks to our great alliance, 1678, 604 and 2135. Speaking for myself, those are three of my favorite teams. Thanks for carrying the alliance when our chain tensioner broke. We knew you could do it.

The alliance of 4488, 3250, 1868, and 2073 worked together well and were responsible for some very intense and very fun final matches. Thanks to 4488 for coming all the way down here to compete with and against us. It was great seeing 3250 play so well, you were good during the season but really stepped it up a level during the off-season. Your alliance played good strategy and benefited from help from solid performances by 1868 and 2073. We look forward to playing with all of you in the future.

Also, thanks to GameSense for great color commentary. It is another thing that makes Chezy Champs special.

Until next year ...

frcguy

28-09-2016, 01:04

Wow. What a weekend.

First of all, I've got to give a HUGE shoutout to Nick Eyre and the rest of the crew at 254 for putting on an absolutely incredible event. Especially Nick, who filled almost every key volunteer role throughout the entire weekend. You deserved that volunteer of the year award!

Another shoutout to all the teams in attendance, especially all the teams that made it to eliminations. You were all a joy to work with, and it was an honor to meet you all and see your robots up close.

Lastly, I had one big takeaway from Chezy Champs: I love volunteering! I did field reset for all three days and had so much fun. So much fun that I'll probably be volunteering at Capital City Classic as well :D (though doing something else this time).

Once again, thanks to everyone for making this event awesome!

peterf99

28-09-2016, 15:17

Hello All,

You many find robot photos taken at the event here (https://goo.gl/QBDItv). If you would like to have the RAW files taken at the event, please email peter@team254.com.

In addition, general event photos can be found here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/team254/).

Thank you all for coming to Chezy Champs, and we're looking forward to seeing all the teams next year!

Citrus Dad

28-09-2016, 17:06

3250's robot is very, very good. Great up close 1241 style shot, and an unblockable shot from the defenses that is very accurate.

They should be proud of the work they put in, and hopefully we get a chance to play with them at Capital City Classic.

Kennedy's robot has come a long way to reach the top in Northern California. Congrats!

Dr. Robot

30-09-2016, 14:09

Team 5924 can't thank 254 enough for not only choosing us to be on your alliance, but also for putting on such a world class event.

We were amazed at the level of competition at Chezy Champs. It was a higher level of play than either regional we attended last season with top robots from up and down the west coast. It truly was the "Best in the West."

It's always fun to watch and compete with/against juggernauts like 971 and 1678 (thanks for the compliment Steve!), and equally fun to see good robots become great. 3250 went from having a Harrison Barnes high goal shot to more of a Steph Curry arc shot that went in every time from all over the courtyard and outer works. Also great to witness really good teams we were unfamiliar with like 4488 from the Pacific Northwest competing as well.

Thank you to all the teams we competed with and against for giving our students and mentors yet another incredible FIRST experience. Love the GreyBots (973) and it was awesome to finally be on an alliance with your team. Thank you to the kids from 115 for the help in the pits, and the other students and mentors from previously mentioned teams for help as well.

Finally, I have to mention how classy it was (and truly exemplary of what FIRST is all about) for the #3 alliance in the playoffs to use their timeout to give the students on the #2 alliance extra time to try to fix one of our robots. I'll never forget that regardless of the fact there still wasn't enough time to repair the broken gearbox.

Good luck with the rest of your respective offseason events, and next season. Events like this reinforce why we all spend so many hours of our lives dedicated to FRC.

Mark Sheridan

03-10-2016, 21:23

3476 had a great time at Chezy Champs. We had a lot of fun with our alliance partners 3859, 1967 and 841. It was nice to get a big score on the board. Congratulations to 971, 1678, 604 and 2135 for winning and 4488, 3250, 1868, and 2073 for being finalists. Keep an eye on 3250, I bet they are the next powerhouse of California.

What I like most about this event, is how much teams help one another, at that is considering that teams already help each other a lot at most events. 3476 had a rough event, we broke a lot of stuff and the number of teams stopping by the see if we need help was staggering. A big thank you to 971, 4488, and 3309 for your help. A big thank you to Kiet, Thad and Austin for figuring out many of our problems. We had a very positive experience figuring out our issues with Chezy Arena. We were given very detailed information and advice to address our issues. We were given the option to replay our matches but we declined partly due the superb efforts by the CC volunteers to fix our issue. We asked for help and found people eager to help and make our day better. Thanks for the fun weekend.

A big shout out to game sense for the commentary, as we were getting our robot back to its old self, the students were listening to the commentary for a boost in morale. The students were elated and were quoting game sense all weekend.

sanddrag

03-10-2016, 21:42

We had a very positive experience figuring out our issues with Chezy Arena. We were given very detailed information and advice to address our issues. We were given the option to replay our matches but we declined partly due the superb efforts by the CC volunteers to fix our issue. Can you elaborate on the problem and fix? We had issues too, where our controller would reboot or something upon field connection, causing our arm's encoder position to be lost prior to the start of the match.

frcguy

03-10-2016, 21:46

Can you elaborate on the problem and fix? We had issues too, where our controller would reboot or something upon field connection, causing our arm's encoder position to be lost prior to the start of the match.

I'm very interested in hearing more about this issue and what potentially caused it, as we're going to be using Cheesy Arena at Capital City Classic. Do you have any more details or theories? I know about the e-stop bug, but this is obviously separate.

Thad House

03-10-2016, 21:51

Can you elaborate on the problem and fix? We had issues too, where our controller would reboot or something upon field connection, causing our arm's encoder position to be lost prior to the start of the match.

The issue Code Orange had with their robot was related to a timing issue in Cheesy Arena during autonomous. There was a specific WPILib timing function that was not receiving the right inputs from the FMS (the GetMatchTime function). Most cases I've seen that use that function use it during teleop to detect the end of the match, which was correct. However, this has been fixed in Cheesy Arena, so Beach Blitz and Capital City Classic should not have this issue.

Regarding the e-stop issue, we are still working with FIRST to try and detect the cause and institute a fix. Our plan during Beach Blitz if we see it is to immediately replay the match, as the issue pops up right at the beginning of the match.

billbo911

03-10-2016, 22:32

...we're going to be using Cheesy Arena at Capital City Classic. Do you have any more details or theories? I know about the e-stop bug, but this is obviously separate.

The issue Code Orange had with their robot was related to a timing issue in Cheesy Arena during autonomous. There was a specific WPILib timing function that was not receiving the right inputs from the FMS (the GetMatchTime function). Most cases I've seen that use that function use it during teleop to detect the end of the match, which was correct. However, this has been fixed in Cheesy Arena, so Beach Blitz and Capital City Classic should not have this issue.

Regarding the e-stop issue, we are still working with FIRST to try and detect the cause and institute a fix. Our plan during Beach Blitz if we see it is to immediately replay the match, as the issue pops up right at the beginning of the match.

At this time, the e-stop issue appears to be manifestation of the DS being in "FMS Lite" mode and not having the space bar estop disabled. Until we have a solid answer as to the root cause, and/or a fix for the issue, CCC will be implementing the same workaround we used at Chezy Champs. Specifically, teams will be requested to restart the DS software before each match. In addition, we will also take the approach that Beach Blitz is using of immediately restarting a match where the estop issue pops up.
These are minor adjustments, but for the integrity of the tournament, we feel these measures are necessary.

BTW, if you were not aware, the new binaries for Cheesy Arena were posted 2 days ago. They include all updates from the start of Chezy Champs until now.

AustinSchuh

04-10-2016, 03:01

BTW, if you were not aware, the new binaries for Cheesy Arena were posted 2 days ago. They include all updates from the start of Chezy Champs until now.

Close... We still need to figure out how to pull the updated configs off the router used at CC which open up the ports used by smart dashboard and others.

NickE

04-10-2016, 11:19

On behalf of Team 254, I wanted to thank everybody for your patience with the FMS at Chezy Champs. The e-stop issue, which was experienced by teams at Chezy Champs (using Cheesy Arena) and at SCRRF Fall Classic (using FIRST FMS Lite) seems to be a bug in the driver station software, and is being investigated by National Instruments. At Chezy Champs, we believe that we replayed the matches with e-stop issues where the head referee determined that the outcome of the match was affected. I do not believe that the issue appeared during the elimination matches. For future off-seasons, we recommend that you have each team restart the driver station app prior to each match, as described above by Bill. Our sincere apologies go out to any teams whose matches were missed.

When setting up the field for Chezy Champs, several code changes were made to Cheesy Arena and to the configuration of the advanced networking hardware. None of these changes were in regards to the e-stop issue, which we believe is a driver station bug affecting FMS Lite as well as Cheesy Arena. These changes can be downloaded as a released binary on Github (https://github.com/Team254/cheesy-arena/releases/tag/v2016.1.1). For Beach Blitz and CCC, which are using the Chezy Champs hardware, the updated networking configuration is already on the equipment.

As a reminder, if you have any feedback about the event, we'd love to hear it on this form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdIWjm3_sGn6h-ZGxMnVRgln7i5bvq43DoVP878LGY6vVfeLA/viewform). From the feedback thus far, it sounds like most teams' experiences were positive, and we've taken some notes on things to improve for next year. In particular, we got very positive feedback for "254 losing", and will be sure to schedule that in next year ;). We hope that we will see many of the same teams back next year and that this event continues to grow and improve.

-Nick

billbo911

04-10-2016, 12:53

Close... We still need to figure out how to pull the updated configs off the router used at CC which open up the ports used by smart dashboard and others.

Router or Switch? The only router I am aware of being used was to provide access to the Internet to allow uploads/Downloads to/from BlueAlliance and maybe the video stream.

If you are referring to the Cisco 3550 switch, getting the config off is fairly straight forward, as long as you have physical possession of it :D .

NickE

04-10-2016, 12:56

Router or Switch? The only router I am aware of being used was to provide access to the Internet to allow uploads/Downloads to/from BlueAlliance and maybe the video stream.

If you are referring to the Cisco 3550 switch, getting the config off is fairly straight forward, as long as you have physical possession of it :D .
Switch. We forgot to grab the configs before sending it off to Beach Blitz. We'll get them and post on Github once the equipment returns.

sanddrag

04-10-2016, 13:05

In particular, we got very positive feedback for "254 losing", and will be sure to schedule that in next year ;). Wow, that's pretty discouraging that teams would write that of the event hosts, who go through such tremendous efforts and costs (both financial and personal) to put on this event. 254's robot suffered a rare and completely unexpected "perfect storm" of failures, at the worst time possible. It was something that was really unfortunate and I wouldn't wish upon any team, but such things happen even to some of the world's best. Nonetheless, thank you to our gracious hosts for making this high-quality event possible for California teams.

hionwind

04-10-2016, 16:17

In particular, we got very positive feedback for "254 losing"

It seems that there are some of us who can still learn something about Gracious Professionalism

Cothron Theiss

05-10-2016, 02:04

Wow, that's pretty discouraging that teams would write that of the event hosts, who go through such tremendous efforts and costs (both financial and personal) to put on this event. 254's robot suffered a rare and completely unexpected "perfect storm" of failures, at the worst time possible. It was something that was really unfortunate and I wouldn't wish upon any team, but such things happen even to some of the world's best. Nonetheless, thank you to our gracious hosts for making this high-quality event possible for California teams.

It seems that there are some of us who can still learn something about Gracious Professionalism

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Nick is just including a bit of self-deprecating humor. To me, it reads as if he is joking about teams being happy about 254 losing.

Cory

05-10-2016, 02:20

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Nick is just including a bit of self-deprecating humor. To me, it reads as if he is joking about teams being happy about 254 losing.

He was making it into a joke, but "254 losing" was listed multiple times as the most positive aspect of the event.

Cothron Theiss

05-10-2016, 02:36

He was making it into a joke, but "254 losing" was listed multiple times as the most positive aspect of the event.

Ah. Well, he proved himself gracious and professional by taking the affront lightly.

Michael Corsetto

05-10-2016, 02:40

He was making it into a joke, but "254 losing" was listed multiple times as the most positive aspect of the event.

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MeGuttieri

05-10-2016, 03:59

He was making it into a joke, but "254 losing" was listed multiple times as the most positive aspect of the event.

Wow, this is kind of suprising/upsetting for me considering how hard 254 works to put on CC. It is in no way easy to put on a high quality off-season. Regardless on how you feel about any team--respect should be paramount.

Citrus Dad

05-10-2016, 13:32

Wow, that's pretty discouraging that teams would write that of the event hosts, who go through such tremendous efforts and costs (both financial and personal) to put on this event. 254's robot suffered a rare and completely unexpected "perfect storm" of failures, at the worst time possible. It was something that was really unfortunate and I wouldn't wish upon any team, but such things happen even to some of the world's best. Nonetheless, thank you to our gracious hosts for making this high-quality event possible for California teams.

I second this thought. I don't think others appreciate the great effort that the Poofs went to in putting on an event that's every bit as good as a Regional. And we didn't appreciate that a fully effective 254 robot wasn't playing in the end (even though we thought that Shockwave's alliance still was in a very strong position to win that semifinal.)

jmullins16

10-10-2016, 19:37

If your team had issues with an unexpected estop, can you please PM me? I would love to get access to some log files and get a description of when this occurred and some general description of your team's robot.

Greg McKaskle

Greg,

Are you still interested in getting more info on the issue?

We still have driver station log files for our match 30 (replayed later) where we were told an estop had occurred immediately at the start of the match.

Jeff