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Untitled Team and Questionable Decisionmakers have agreed to the following trade:
Untitled Receives:
#9, #10, and #20 Rocket City
#5 South Pacific
#21 Sacramento
QD Receives:
#3, #16, and #21 Rocket City
#6 South Pacific
#22 Sacramento
It is currently available for review.
MARS_James
07-12-2016, 19:01
So I have a suggestion, why not make waivers permanent?
Hear me out: Last year I suggested to make teams go on waiver the week after the competed to stop an arms race, certain smart teams realized they were keeping track while others weren't so didn't put in the request for the weaker teams and just got them off the FA market.
So here is my suggestion:
For now any team that was open to be drafted during the draft is a Free Agent.
Any teams added after the draft goes on Waivers. Waivers are listed in a public location in their entirety and not announced when it is updated or who was added. 36 hours before a waiver is run the waiver list is locked and any teams who are added will not be cycled till the next cycle.
Any teams dropped from a Fantasy Team are put on the waiver list.
Teams are never removed from waivers once put on. Basically what that means is as soon as a team competes, all their other events they could be picked up at need to go through waivers.
I think this solves the worry about sniping teams once they are announced, keeps the risk of teams stealing diamonds in the rough from others who watched the events, and is actually super simple for the waiver runner to check because we have a list of who competes each week.
BrennanB
07-12-2016, 19:06
So I have a suggestion, why not make waivers permanent?
Hear me out: Last year I suggested to make teams go on waiver the week after the competed to stop an arms race, certain smart teams realized they were keeping track while others weren't so didn't put in the request for the weaker teams and just got them off the FA market.
So here is my suggestion:
For now any team that was open to be drafted during the draft is a Free Agent.
Any teams added after the draft goes on Waivers. Waivers are listed in a public location in their entirety and not announced when it is updated or who was added. 36 hours before a waiver is run the waiver list is locked and any teams who are added will not be cycled till the next cycle.
Any teams dropped from a Fantasy Team are put on the waiver list.
Teams are never removed from waivers once put on. Basically what that means is as soon as a team competes, all their other events they could be picked up at need to go through waivers.
I think this solves the worry about sniping teams once they are announced, keeps the risk of teams stealing diamonds in the rough from others who watched the events, and is actually super simple for the waiver runner to check because we have a list of who competes each week.
I think this was the general idea to begin with but I guess never got communicated. I am all for it. (except keeping a giant list of waivers)
MARS_James
07-12-2016, 19:08
I think this was the general idea to begin with but I guess never got communicated. I am all for it. (except keeping a giant list of waivers)
Honestly Eric runs the waivers but I would be willing to run the database of who is or isn't on the waiver wire. Basically I run the database but Eric handles the pick lists.
... 36 hours before a waiver is run the waiver list is locked and any teams who are added will not be cycled till the next cycle....
I'm kinda confused what this means. If I'm reading it correctly, what you're saying is that waivers run at a consistent weekly time. 36 hours before that time (say they run at noon on 12/10, which would mean that time is midnight 12/9) you have to have submitted your waiver list?
That sounds a tad excessive but the rest of it makes sense.
MARS_James
07-12-2016, 19:17
I'm kinda confused what this means. If I'm reading it correctly, what you're saying is that waivers run at a consistent weekly time. 36 hours before that time (say they run at noon on 12/10, which would mean that time is midnight 12/9) you have to have submitted your waiver list?
That sounds a tad excessive but the rest of it makes sense.
No, any teams that someone is like "HEY 1114 IS AT SOUTH FLORIDA I WANT THEM" has to tell the waiver runner they are there to add to the list 36 hours in advanced, so everyone has a fair shot of seeing them. It isn't about having a whole list but it avoids scenarios where one team and who ever runs the waivers see a team but no one else gets to.
I am going to be honest here I didn't know my own team got taken off the waitlist for Rocket City till 9 hours after it happened. I have a life, and responsibilities, I can not afford to check every event every day for teams to appear, but I can make it part of my routine to check one spread sheet every day after work. I was just trying to create a system where the waiver list is where to go to check if a team is available and you have a whole day to make a pick list based on who is available to everyone.
No, any teams that someone is like "HEY 1114 IS AT SOUTH FLORIDA I WANT THEM" has to tell the waiver runner they are there to add to the list 36 hours in advanced, so everyone has a fair shot of seeing them. It isn't about having a whole list but it avoids scenarios where one team and who ever runs the waivers see a team but no one else gets to.
I am going to be honest here I didn't know my own team got taken off the waitlist for Rocket City till 9 hours after it happened. I have a life, and responsibilities, I can not afford to check every event every day for teams to appear, but I can make it part of my routine to check one spread sheet every day after work. I was just trying to create a system where the waiver list is where to go to check if a team is available and you have a whole day to make a pick list based on who is available to everyone.
Okay yeah, that sounds perfect, because same here. If you want QD's help in any way, feel free to ask.
I think there's a slight misunderstanding here. Really quick, currently the only way teams are on waivers (and thus on the list) is if somebody claims them. I don't announce who claimed a team unless they post publicly (and even then I don't announce it)--which makes making a claim a little bit of a gamble.
James is right on the general idea--there's a certain cutoff time for teams to be on waiver and claimed that week.
I should make one note, really fast: Having a hole in your draft gives you automatic top priority in the waiver system for that event, should you make a waiver claim (unless you took a COI). Or you can take a free agent.
A proposal on waivers. Call it "Smokescreen". This would only apply to waivers run during competition season.
-Lists LOCK on Wednesday of Week 1, for all events and all district block drafts. The only way to change 'em is waivers.
-During Week 1 events, someone (guessing me, but it doesn't have to be) pulls the updated team list for Week 2 events, pulls out all picked teams, and if there are any MIA teams in the picked list, flags those. I think that could be made practically automated (famous last words).
-After Week 1 events: The entire list is posted, for Week 2, sorted by event. Cue rush of claims
-Tuesday midnight, no further Week 2 claims are accepted.
-Wednesday, announcements of awards.
Repeat cycle of post list, announce awards through the rest of the season. The only teams on waiver for a given week are the ones competing that week. That should make life a little bit easier.
There would be one minor hitch: I would also put a ruling in that the only time DISTRICT teams can be changed would be the window before Week 3--most of them would probably have played one event, very few would have played more (and those teams aren't eligible to be traded in or out).
On the topic of teams playing out of district:
Correct that they do not get district points, directly. However, they do get experience that translates to district points in their home district at later events. And they do get ranking and stuff like that.
This might be controversial... but I have an idea. We also figured out that a consistent team's FF points could be hurt by playing 3 events, due to the averaging. On the other hand, it's kind of no fun to watch one of your teams playing and you get nothing from a good performance. So... What if interdistrict and 3rd-event play picks up 5 points (flat) and elims points (added to the averaging score for two events). So, if 67 attends 3 in-district events and 1 traveling event, and wins all 4, they will pick up TWO events that put all their points into the average, and they will add 10 points to their base for the two extra plays, and because they win both, they get two events of win points added into the average, which is still only divided by 2. So... (Event1+Event2+Win3+Win4)/2+10 is their score.
Kind of complicated, kind of crazy. Someone want to try to run some numbers?
*Scratches head* Well, now that's interesting.
So I wrote up a quick macro to check picks vs. team lists for events. Wouldn't ya know it, after some testing (and "oh, THAT's why it's not picking the teams out"), it flagged two teams as MIA in South Florida: 108 and 2601. And yep, they're MIA all right...I checked on that!
If y'all are agreeable on the use of the "Smokescreen" plan, I might get some time this weekend to go through and run a quick waiver list, kind of see how it goes for a large-scale runthrough.
That makes things interesting. Who would get first in waiver order at that event then? NE Way (108, 10th overall) or F3 (2601, 14th overall)?
That makes things interesting. Who would get first in waiver order at that event then? NE Way (108, 10th overall) or F3 (2601, 14th overall)?
Waiver order is actually different than normal order--unofficially, NE Way would win that. And they're both "first priority"--I don't recall if we've ever had to use a tiebreaker, but I believe it's normal waiver priority.
That being said, any free-agent team can be picked without needing to use waivers.
MARS_James
07-12-2016, 21:41
Waiver order is actually different than normal order--unofficially, NE Way would win that. And they're both "first priority"--I don't recall if we've ever had to use a tiebreaker, but I believe it's normal waiver priority.
That being said, any free-agent team can be picked without needing to use waivers.
So for the sake of ease of research, every team on the list during the original draft is fair game (no need to use waivers), the only team also not registered now is 6555
The only teams you would need to use your waiver on are 5558 and 6743
BrennanB
07-12-2016, 22:13
A proposal on waivers. Call it "Smokescreen". This would only apply to waivers run during competition season.
-Lists LOCK on Wednesday of Week 1, for all events and all district block drafts. The only way to change 'em is waivers.
-During Week 1 events, someone (guessing me, but it doesn't have to be) pulls the updated team list for Week 2 events, pulls out all picked teams, and if there are any MIA teams in the picked list, flags those. I think that could be made practically automated (famous last words).
-After Week 1 events: The entire list is posted, for Week 2, sorted by event. Cue rush of claims
-Tuesday midnight, no further Week 2 claims are accepted.
-Wednesday, announcements of awards.
Repeat cycle of post list, announce awards through the rest of the season. The only teams on waiver for a given week are the ones competing that week. That should make life a little bit easier.
There would be one minor hitch: I would also put a ruling in that the only time DISTRICT teams can be changed would be the window before Week 3--most of them would probably have played one event, very few would have played more (and those teams aren't eligible to be traded in or out).
I like this. But why do we need the week 3 trades for district teams? Is there a reason we didn't like the one play rule?
I like this. But why do we need the week 3 trades for district teams? Is there a reason we didn't like the one play rule?
Too hard to keep track of, at least from my point of view. That being said, I think I could track district claims OK (we know there won't be too many late additions), so it's a matter of checking on both teams. Cue FRCLinks or TBA, whichever is handiest.
Brian Maher
07-12-2016, 23:42
Too hard to keep track of, at least from my point of view. That being said, I think I could track district claims OK (we know there won't be too many late additions), so it's a matter of checking on both teams. Cue FRCLinks or TBA, whichever is handiest.
TBA does have some latency due to how frequently it checks the FIRST site for updates. I would recommend frclinks for these purposes, just in case.
TBA does have some latency due to how frequently it checks the FIRST site for updates. I would recommend frclinks for these purposes, just in case.
We're aware... we've had people get burned in the past by using TBA and having the teams not there.
We're aware... we've had people get burned in the past by using TBA and having the teams not there.
*raises hand* Come back to Utah 6082, please
*snip*
Kind of complicated, kind of crazy. Someone want to try to run some numbers?
Running the numbers on this now, might take me a little bit, give me some time :)
Numbers running done, can be found here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T1RJxLZGhdfcr1HpAWvB4d1KFKLC7njrZPlv6HBJLgg/edit?usp=sharing
If you don't want to look at the data heres a tl;dr
Eric's System - gives more points(by a significant margin), than either other system, across the board, makes picking teams with more than 2 events extremely beneficial.
Current System - (its what you'd expect)
In District Only System - If teams do the same across the board at both in district and out of district, scores the same as the current system. Benefits teams that do well in district but poorly out of district. Harms teams that do poorly in district but well out of district.
Exact numbers and how they line up can be found in the link above.
Here's my thoughts on the systems and district picking overall.
#1 - Eric's system is way too wack, and I don't really see a good way of making it work. Even if you were to change the extra points from 5 to 0, it'd still give more points. You could try to give negative points, but it just seems like a lot of work for not alot of gain.
#2 - IMO, In District Only scoring seems the best. You're picking teams during those drafts for their performance in district, which is better supported by this system over the current one. As for "it sucks not getting points for your teams at events they go to",that doesn't make alot of sense. You don't pick 1114 for Waterloo than be sad when you don't get points for how well they did in GTRE.
#3 - To address the "they get extra experience", why does that matter? You should be factoring that into your picklist. Some teams only do 1 regional, some do 3, its the same thing.
#4 - At the end of the day, its the FIM draft. not the "Teams that are in FIM" draft. Points should be given for what happens in that event, FIM, not what happens to that team at every event. It makes no sense to pick district teams and have what happens outside of the event they were drafted for(the district) affect their points.
#5 - And finally, 27 was drafted at Northern Lights, but with the current system, those points also go to whoever drafts them in FIM? Doesn't make much sense tbh.
#5 - And finally, 27 was drafted at Northern Lights, but with the current system, those points also go to whoever drafts them in FIM? Doesn't make much sense tbh.
Incorrect. District event drafts specifically exclude regional points.
I see what you're saying about the points being skewed. So let's forget I said it.
In-district points makes the most sense. So, here's the pointage for district draft teams: They get points at all of their events within their own district (FiM in FiM, PNW in PNW, you get the idea). Those points are averaged across all in-district events (so, 1-event district teams get their points, 2-event district teams get their points/2, 3-event district teams get their points/3). Regional points are earned at the regional, and do not apply to district events. DCMPs are separate drafts. Interdistrict plays get you... nothing.
Incorrect. District event drafts specifically exclude regional points.
Ye, my bad I got confused, perks of being up for 30 hours straight I guess, forgot it used to be only interdistrict points :o
niklas674
08-12-2016, 21:13
When can we expect the picking order for the next set of events?
When can we expect the picking order for the next set of events?
Whenever Brennan or Eric post it, probably tonight or tomorrow morning. Should be up by then.
Whenever Brennan or Eric post it, probably tonight or tomorrow morning. Should be up by then.
Brennan's draft.
BrennanB
09-12-2016, 09:24
Brennan's draft.
Something came up and i'm not actually available to run the draft on Saturday. :/ VRC team has an event that day i'm supervising.
If no one else is available I'll run it.
MARS_James
09-12-2016, 12:28
If no one else is available I'll run it.
I got it
EDIT (Iowa Order):
Questionable Decisionmakers
FIRST Pick
The Regal Falcons
F3
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company
Swamp Life
Untitled Team
Falcon
EDIT 2:
I am gonna put up the Iowa draft when I get home (Pick time is still as scheduled), since I won't be home tonight and want it up as early as possible.
Could we add functionality to the Draft Runner to allow picks that aren't in the available teams list? Had some issues with that today. Or atleast make it so the Draft Runner doesn't completely crash while doing so.
Could we add functionality to the Draft Runner to allow picks that aren't in the available teams list? Had some issues with that today. Or atleast make it so the Draft Runner doesn't completely crash while doing so.
Were you using "Remove Pick" to pull teams out of the draft?
Basic algorithm: For any pick, the FIRST check is the full team list (see if the team is attending). THEN it checks the picked teams (not the available teams) to see if somebody already has that team. Once it's happy that the team is 1) attending and 2) not already picked, it'll try to pull the team out of the available list. I suspect that that's where the problem was: in removing the team from the list. I don't think I have good error-handling there, and there's a known bug in there somewhere that I haven't been able to squash (causes teams to not be removed properly).
Basically, I think what probably happened was the team it was looking to remove just wasn't there, possibly due to not being put back in during the big shuffle. "Remove Pick" will do that putting in.
I'll see what I can come up with over the weekend. Weekend programming tasks:
--Error handling on removing teams from available list
--Bug fixes in team removal from list (and/or from draft)
--"Rookie" functionality in picklists
Is "Remove Pick" fixed in the new Draft Runner? Last time I tried to use it, it also crashed the sheet.
Is "Remove Pick" fixed in the new Draft Runner? Last time I tried to use it, it also crashed the sheet.
It's been working for me, not sure what's up then.
Time to start digging into the code.
Does it matter that I'm using excel 2010?
Does it matter that I'm using excel 2010?
Might actually work better... Or maybe not. I'm running Excel 2016, but some of the bugs have been there since I was using 2010.
It's been working for me, not sure what's up then.
Time to start digging into the code.
Flyswatter update #1: SPLAT! Found a bug (at least one) in the team removal. Helps to double-check variable names... Might explain why it's been buggy for so long.
And I haven't yet replicated the crashing. (Of course I'm trying here...) But so far, it's handled every non-at-event or previously-picked or otherwise off-nominal team I've tossed its way by flashing up a color like it's supposed to. If anybody experiencing a crash can pass along a crash report, that'd be pretty helpful.
Time to go introduce more bugs... by implementing random rookie functionality! (Don't worry, I'm not releasing YET.)
Edit #1: Huh. That was too easy... If anybody wants to beta test said functionality before I run a draft on Wednesday, use email and I'll send the beta over. Otherwise, I'll probably try to find what's been causing crashes and/or release the debugged sheet before then.
FYI, we have a need for a draft runner for Bayou tomorrow--something came up with the scheduled runner, and we seem to be low on the usual crew. I might be able to run it, but it's a very long shot. James can't, Joseph is already running one. Anybody want to step up?
Bkeeneykid
13-12-2016, 08:29
FYI, we have a need for a draft runner for Bayou tomorrow--something came up with the scheduled runner, and we seem to be low on the usual crew. I might be able to run it, but it's a very long shot. James can't, Joseph is already running one. Anybody want to step up?
I might be willing to, with only one issue; I don't have Excel. I just have a mac, do the macros and the other assorted things work on Google Sheets, or should I try and install an excel demo on my VM?
jlmcmchl
13-12-2016, 10:58
I might be willing to, with only one issue; I don't have Excel. I just have a mac, do the macros and the other assorted things work on Google Sheets, or should I try and install an excel demo on my VM?
The only functionality that really transfers from Excel to Google Sheets is the data/formatting, and vice-versa. You might be able to get the demo to run with WINE.
BrennanB
13-12-2016, 11:20
FYI, we have a need for a draft runner for Bayou tomorrow--something came up with the scheduled runner, and we seem to be low on the usual crew. I might be able to run it, but it's a very long shot. James can't, Joseph is already running one. Anybody want to step up?
I can.
Deleted post since theres no way I can run two drafts tonight(Doing other work while running 1 is hard enough).
Brian Maher
13-12-2016, 17:58
Thank you, Joseph and Brennan for keeping Fantasy FIRST going tonight! I would have volunteered if I didn't have a final tomorrow :(
Deleted post since theres no way I can run two drafts tonight(Doing other work while running 1 is hard enough).
Apparently, I don't have to do that work anyways, so if Brennan doesn't post thread by 6:40, i got it
BrennanB
13-12-2016, 19:08
My conputer has been uhh, temporarily handicapped. Apologies and thanks joe for picking up the slack.
MARS_James
14-12-2016, 11:57
So I posted why in the thread, but Smoky Mountain needs a redraft.
So I posted why in the thread, but Smoky Mountain needs a redraft.
May need a redraft, depends on how Eric wants to rule it. You were in fact assigned the proper team, its just that after you were assigned that pick, TBC changed their pick, which means a higher priority team was available on your list.
Now thats all find and dandy, but it did technically happen before your pick time, but you did also send a list in which means your picks happen as soon as your slot opens.
Not sure how Eric wants to call this one, but if it does cause a redraft, I won't be assigning list picks until their exact pick time to avoid any redrafts in the future.
May need a redraft, depends on how Eric wants to rule it. You were in fact assigned the proper team, its just that after you were assigned that pick, TBC changed their pick, which means a higher priority team was available on your list.
Now thats all find and dandy, but it did technically happen before your pick time, but you did also send a list in which means your picks happen as soon as your slot opens.
Not sure how Eric wants to call this one, but if it does cause a redraft, I won't be assigning list picks until their exact pick time to avoid any redrafts in the future.
I mean, to be fair, it's not like the 744-48 swap was announced, even in the edit. I don't have a problem making that swap, or the execution after, but it really should be slightly better indicated.
Questionable Decisionmakers and Untitled Team have agreed to the following trade, posted and waiting for approval at 2:57pm CD Time:
Untitled Receives:
QD 1st Round - Montreal - #5
QD 2nd Round - Montreal - #14
QD 2nd Round - Wisconsin - #16
QD Receives:
UT 1st Round - Montreal - #3
UT 2nd Round - Montreal - #16
UT 2nd Round - Wisconsin - #18
I mean, to be fair, it's not like the 744-48 swap was announced, even in the edit. I don't have a problem making that swap, or the execution after, but it really should be slightly better indicated.
I agree, I really wasn't thinking when I just made the edit, definitely should of put the trade in there somewhere for clarity.
FYI, I had to drop next Wednesday's Lone Star Central, but I have tentatively picked up Midwest for Monday. I may also be able to do Idaho on Saturday but that's less likely. However, I might not be able to do that one either, because we'll be skiing in Vermont and wi-fi could be iffy.
Questionable Decisionmakers and Untitled Team have agreed to the following trade, posted and waiting for approval at 2:57pm CD Time:
Untitled Receives:
QD 1st Round - Montreal - #5
QD 2nd Round - Montreal - #14
QD 2nd Round - Wisconsin - #16
QD Receives:
UT 1st Round - Montreal - #3
UT 2nd Round - Montreal - #16
UT 2nd Round - Wisconsin - #18Seen and approved, at 3:30 CD time (also 3:30 PST).
Regarding the redraft request: I will need a little time, and will rule after today's drafts.
Regarding any bugs in the drafting program: Found and squashed one last night, running a beta test mid-draft...
May need a redraft, depends on how Eric wants to rule it. You were in fact assigned the proper team, its just that after you were assigned that pick, TBC changed their pick, which means a higher priority team was available on your list.
Now thats all find and dandy, but it did technically happen before your pick time, but you did also send a list in which means your picks happen as soon as your slot opens.
Not sure how Eric wants to call this one, but if it does cause a redraft, I won't be assigning list picks until their exact pick time to avoid any redrafts in the future.
How Eric wants to call this one will depend on whether Swamp Life will accept a trade of 744 for 3844.
Team trades, for anybody wondering, are a straight "do both parties agree?", though the commissioner retains veto power in the event of rules violations (extra teams or real-world items as the result).
MARS_James
14-12-2016, 20:27
I am ok with that, thanks Eric
Seen and approved, at 3:30 CD time (also 3:30 PST).
Regarding the redraft request: I will need a little time, and will rule after today's drafts.
Regarding any bugs in the drafting program: Found and squashed one last night, running a beta test mid-draft...
CD time is actually EST, which means it was seen and approved at 6:30 CD time. Technically this makes it an illegal trade as it breaks the "approved one hour before the draft rule" but we've also broken that rule once already(When I didn't log on to approve a trade until 30m before the draft). IMO doesn't really matter as long as the person approving the trade is running it, and its not really a big deal, just thought I'd post for consistency and clarity.
Today is also the day to post the next cycles of draft order. Joseph, since you have Orange County, we'd really appreciate that going up as soon as possible.
CD time is actually EST, which means it was seen and approved at 6:30 CD time. Technically this makes it an illegal trade as it breaks the "approved one hour before the draft rule" but we've also broken that rule once already(When I didn't log on to approve a trade until 30m before the draft). IMO doesn't really matter as long as the person approving the trade is running it, and its not really a big deal, just thought I'd post for consistency and clarity.
I approved about as soon as I saw it, which was about as soon as I got home from work and woke up the computer. Close enough, right? ;)
orangemoore
14-12-2016, 21:09
CD time is actually EST, which means it was seen and approved at 6:30 CD time. Technically this makes it an illegal trade as it breaks the "approved one hour before the draft rule" but we've also broken that rule once already(When I didn't log on to approve a trade until 30m before the draft). IMO doesn't really matter as long as the person approving the trade is running it, and its not really a big deal, just thought I'd post for consistency and clarity.
Fun Fact:
Chief Delphi Time is based on a user choice option. So For you it may be EST but someone on the West coast it might be PST.
(You can change this by going to User CP then Edit Options. It is under Date and Time which is towards the bottom of the page.)
Today is also the day to post the next cycles of draft order. Joseph, since you have Orange County, we'd really appreciate that going up as soon as possible.
Somebody else do it, randomizers hate TBC. :(
Untitled Team
Falcon
FIRST Pick
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
Swamp Life
The Regal Falcons
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company
Somebody else do it, randomizers hate TBC. :(
Untitled Team
Falcon
FIRST Pick
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
Swamp Life
The Regal Falcons
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company
So with Falcon receiving a COI for Orange County, and him picking 5th at Long Island, do we want to swap Orange County and Long Island in the schedule?
Brian Maher
14-12-2016, 22:14
I noticed misdrafts at Dallas and Colorado. In both cases, two FF teams had drafted the same team. Details are on the relevant threads.
So with Falcon receiving a COI for Orange County, and him picking 5th at Long Island, do we want to swap Orange County and Long Island in the schedule?
Something like that--at least their draft orders.
I noticed misdrafts at Dallas and Colorado. In both cases, two FF teams had drafted the same team. Details are on the relevant threads.
Hats off to James for taking worse teams so we don't have to do redrafts!
MARS_James
15-12-2016, 20:22
So with Falcon receiving a COI for Orange County, and him picking 5th at Long Island, do we want to swap Orange County and Long Island in the schedule?
Something like that--at least their draft orders.
So I will be last pick at Orange County, and this:
Untitled Team
Falcon
FIRST Pick
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
Swamp Life
The Regal Falcons
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company
Is the order for Long island
However this:
Falcon
FIRST Pick
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
Swamp Life
The Regal Falcons
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company
Untitled Team
is the order for Silicon Valley
I may be able to pick up Idaho, but as a heads-up it'd be running fast in that case. (4/2/1 time on the rounds, most likely, instead of 5/3/1).
I have an updated draft assistant that's almost ready for release... but I'm still testing the beta, and there seems to be another bug cropping up, this time in finding duplicate teams. I can't see it in the code for some reason, so what will probably happen is a release to fix one bug/add functionality and then see if that fixes the other issue as well.
Could use an official ruling for what order I'm using for Orange County.
Edit - I can run Idaho
So its...
The Regal Falcons
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company
Untitled Team
Falcon
FIRST Pick
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
Swamp Life
For Orange County?
So its...
The Regal Falcons
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company
Untitled Team
Falcon
FIRST Pick
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
Swamp Life
For Orange County?
Yes
What am I supposed to do for Falcon's COI picks? Do I put COI in the team slot or give them a random?
What am I supposed to do for Falcon's COI picks? Do I put COI in the team slot or give them a random?
COI. Randoms will be given after the event has concluded, with the goal being that he won't know what teams he has.
I really hope I don't break the sheet again by not assigning Falcon a pick :o
I really hope I don't break the sheet again by not assigning Falcon a pick :o
You won't.
It's set up so that it treats each slot--and how it's filled--individually, but checks to make sure that nothing is taken. And the check is "=". If it doesn't match, it keeps going.
I have an updated draft assistant that's almost ready for release... but I'm still testing the beta, and there seems to be another bug cropping up, this time in finding duplicate teams. I can't see it in the code for some reason, so what will probably happen is a release to fix one bug/add functionality and then see if that fixes the other issue as well.
And now it's my turn to find a bug... Managed to put better error-handling in, but now I need to figure out what happened this time...
niklas674
16-12-2016, 21:02
F3 and TRF have agreeed to a trade...
TRF receives the 3rd at Hawaii, the 2nd at Idaho, as well as the 9th pick at laguna and the 5th at Long Island
F3 receives the 5th at Hawaii, the 4th at Idaho as well as the 2nd pick at laguna and 7th at Long Island
We'd love to get this approved.
And now it's my turn to find a bug... Managed to put better error-handling in, but now I need to figure out what happened this time...
Found it, in a piece of logic that I put in to deal with a different bug. Should be fixed.
https://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/3042 for the new version (3.2.4). I'm not going to guarantee it'll be bug-free, but after the flyswatter I've been hitting it with this week, there should be a couple less in there.
MARS_James
17-12-2016, 00:35
So since I am running the next draft set I figured I would post the draft order:
FIRST Pick
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
Untitled Team
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
NE Way You Want It
The Regal Falcons
Falcon
So since I am running the next draft set I figured I would post the draft order:
FIRST Pick
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
Untitled Team
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
NE Way You Want It
The Regal Falcons
Falcon
For clarification, this is for Lone Star Central through Seven Rivers.
MARS_James
17-12-2016, 03:08
For clarification, this is for Lone Star Central through Seven Rivers.
yes
Found it, in a piece of logic that I put in to deal with a different bug. Should be fixed.
https://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/3042 for the new version (3.2.4). I'm not going to guarantee it'll be bug-free, but after the flyswatter I've been hitting it with this week, there should be a couple less in there.
How do I generate a draft? pushing the button doesn't work.
niklas674
17-12-2016, 18:03
TRF and Falcon have agreed to a trade.
TRF receives the 2nd pick at Long Island and the 7th pick at Midwest.
Falcon receives the 5th pick at Long Island and the 3rd pick at Midwest.
How do I generate a draft? pushing the button doesn't work.
You put the teams in, right? That got me briefly when I checked, so I loaded up the Idaho team list and it ran fine.
Teams and players in, attempting to push the button does nothing at all except let me edit the spelling.
Edit - in the meantime I guess I'll swapped back to the older version so the drafts can go up tonight.
Teams and players in, attempting to push the button does nothing at all except let me edit the spelling.
That sounds like a problem with Excel... Are you sure you're not in Design Mode (Developer-> Design Mode)?
Edit: Try redownloading when you get a chance. There might have been an issue with the upload yesterday, so I just pulled it down and reuploaded.
Yeah its a problem with excel, reopening both drafts seems to have fixed it
For whatever reason, there weren't any buttons, just a yellow square that said "generate draft"
Yeah its a problem with excel, reopening both drafts seems to have fixed it
For whatever reason, there weren't any buttons, just a yellow square that said "generate draft"
Oh. THAT.
That's something I've never been able to figure out, and it's been happening almost since I wrote the program. It's something in the way the buttons interact with Excel, so I fix it by a reopening of the draft (saving first!)
So has a list of the teams on waivers been developed, or is that still in production/needs to be started?
So has a list of the teams on waivers been developed, or is that still in production/needs to be started?
Needs to be started. I should be able to go through it in a couple of hours--have some automation on my side.
I've gotten some claims already, as some of you may be aware. HOWEVER, I have yet to put a waiver list together, and it will include ALL teams, not just the claimed ones. Once that list is out, I'll factor in the current claims and announce an end date.
Just a note for everybody, though: If you're submitting multiple claims, make sure you've got some indicator of priority (order of appearance works well).
Edit: A couple of things that I didn't mention earlier, but should have:
--Teams are on waiver if they were not in the initial draft list, but are now registered for the event.
--Teams that pass through this round of waivers will become free agents. This will not be the case once events start.
BrennanB
18-12-2016, 19:02
When can we expect the laguna draft?
Sometime tomorrow presumably.
Just so everybody's aware, I'm chewing through waivers right about now--and, while I'm at it, locating missing teams. And there's a pattern with those missing teams... F3 has something like 2/3 of 'em right now.
If you're wondering where I'm at, the draft results tab of the google sheet is steadily showing more red boxes, indicating missing teams. I should be able to make it through Montreal pretty quickly... then it'll take longer. (Unless someone wants to start updating the picks starting from whatever is right after Montreal, otherwise I get to do that at the same time.) I'll post a full list of waivers and missing teams once I hit the end of that draft results list.
I should be able to make it through Montreal pretty quickly... then it'll take longer. (Unless someone wants to start updating the picks starting from whatever is right after Montreal, otherwise I get to do that at the same time.) I'll post a full list of waivers and missing teams once I hit the end of that draft results list.
I would but I have no idea how that list works honestly
MARS_James
18-12-2016, 21:35
Do you need just the teams posted or also someone to check if they are missing?
Do you need just the teams posted or also someone to check if they are missing?
Just the posting. I've set up an Excel sheet to flag both missing and waiver teams.
I should probably remind everybody of one of the quirks to waiver priority: If you are missing a team, you get top priority for that event only (as in, if you make a claim at that event, you will get that team--penalty of dropping to the bottom of the priority list, though). If more than one player has MIA teams, tiebreaker is waiver priority.
Bkeeneykid
18-12-2016, 22:18
Well, crap. I guess I'll figure out which teams we want to swap out for. Is there a deadline for missing team waivers, as all three of us on F3 have finals this week and therefore quite busy stressed?
Well, crap. I guess I'll figure out which teams we want to swap out for. Is there a deadline for missing team waivers, as all three of us on F3 have finals this week and therefore quite busy stressed?
You'll have a couple of days at the very least. I like to give everybody a chance to look over the waivers before dumping a final list on me. A deadline will be announced--all waiver claims need to be in by that deadline. (As it happens, I've got a lot going on this week myself.)
Reminder that teams on the initial draft list are free agents and don't need waivers.
MARS_James
18-12-2016, 23:57
The results page is done up to the drafts completed, and it honestly isn't that complicated if the draft runners want to update it themselves.
You can find all the event codes here (http://frclinks.appspot.com/), the calculations in the first column you can just drag down, everything else is fill in the blank
Having burned through the entire draft set... Lots of missing teams, lots of waivers.
Event Waiver
South Florida 5558
Palmetto 6626
Central Valley 6711
Bayou 6747
Arizona North 6748
Ventura 6764
Orlando 1592, 2383, 3242, 6145, 6722
Central Illinois 171, 2704, 4787
Greater Kansas City 1710, 1827, 6419
Colorado 2403, 5318
Lake Superior 2450, 3042, 6720
Northern Lights 2499, 3367, 5143, 6707, 6758
Utah 3006, 6717
Dallas 3282, 6671, 6672, 6751, 6752
St. Louis 3284, 6744
Hub City 3305, 5771
Southern Cross 4253, 4613, 4801, 5893, 5983, 6118, 6191
Rock City 4524, 6728
South Pacific 4613, 6050, 6524
San Diego 6695, 6755
Event Missing
Arizona North 1661
Greater Pittsburgh 2016
Hawaii 2473
Northern Lights 2530
Iowa 2883
Shenzhen 5879
South Florida 108, 2601
Palmetto 2080, 4901
Rocket City 4901, 5843
Southern Cross 6007, 6521, 6050
South Pacific 6576, 6578, 6607
So, now that that's up... I'm going to set the deadline to get the lists in at midnight PACIFIC on 12/22, with processed on 12/23.
And you know what's funny? I seem to have stashed a waiver priority list away somewhere...
Waiver Priority:
QD
NE WYWI
TRF
F3
Untitled
FIRST Pick
Falcon
Swamp Life
TBC
I have a couple of claims in my PM box, too.
MARS_James
19-12-2016, 01:47
Waiver Priority:
QD
NE WYWI
TRF
F3
Untitled
FIRST Pick
Falcon
Swamp Life
TBC
Am I really the second highest finishing player returning from last season?
I am not upset more surprised
Am I really the second highest finishing player returning from last season?
I believe so. I'm unable to find the final scores, but I seem to recall finishing near the bottom, and TBC finished near-ish the top.
FIRST Pick was a team last year, and I seem to remember them not being at the bottom, could be wrong though.
Edit - So seems like the automated scoring document from last year with the World's ranking is deleted, we could use the rankings from the regular season in their stead?
It'd be -
TBC
FP
Falcon
SL
From highest ranking to lowest.
MARS_James
19-12-2016, 06:35
It'd be -
TBC
FP
Falcon
SL
From highest ranking to lowest.
So basically me and first pick switch, that makes more sence, i had a horrible season last year lol
Updated Waiver Priority:
QD
NE WYWI
TRF
F3
Untitled
Swamp Life
Falcon
FIRST Pick
TBC
MARS_James
19-12-2016, 12:47
Having burned through the entire draft set... Lots of missing teams, lots of waivers.
Event Waiver
Lake Superior 2450, 3402
3402 is not attending lake superior
3402 is not attending lake superiorMistyped 3042 somewhere. Updating.
BrennanB
20-12-2016, 17:50
Joe is running Long Island tonight as I don't have excel on my supplement computer :ahh:
He's dah man. :cool:
Joe is running Long Island tonight as I don't have excel on my supplement computer :ahh:
He's dah man. :cool:
I have the lists that have been sent to Brennan(Falcon, FIRST Pick, Swamp Life)
Okay so, Yall traders messed up.
"TRF 3 at Hawaii, 2 at Idaho, 9th at laguna, 5 at Long Island
F3 5 at Hawaii, 4 at Idaho, 2 at Laguna, 7 at Long Island"
TRF does not have 7th at Long Island, they're 1st.
F3 does not have 5th at Long Island, they're 8th.
"TRF 2nd at Long Island, 7th at Midwest
Falcon 5th at Long Island, 3rd at Midwest "
TRF does not have 5th at Long Island, as they could not complete the first trade.
Falcon does not have 2nd at Long Island, they're 5th.
Did I super mess up somewhere along the way, or is it on yall?
Edit - I checked, its on yall.
Here's my thoughts - I'm going to run the draft without the trades. Traders fault for not properly checking their trades. I see no way of making those trades work as everyone's slots are wrong.
Unless someone complains in the next 30m, I'm running it tradeless
niklas674
20-12-2016, 18:07
Okay so, Yall traders messed up.
"TRF 3 at Hawaii, 2 at Idaho, 9th at laguna, 5 at Long Island
F3 5 at Hawaii, 4 at Idaho, 2 at Laguna, 7 at Long Island"
TRF does not have 7th at Long Island, they're 1st.
F3 does not have 5th at Long Island, they're 8th.
"TRF 2nd at Long Island, 7th at Midwest
Falcon 5th at Long Island, 3rd at Midwest "
TRF does not have 5th at Long Island, as they could not complete the first trade.
Falcon does not have 2nd at Long Island, they're 5th.
Did I super mess up somewhere along the way, or is it on yall?
Edit - I checked, its on yall.
We had the 1st at Orange County when we should've had the 7th and had the 7th at Long Island when we should've had the first. I believe the change came because of the COI at Orange County.
We had the 1st at Orange County when we should've had the 7th and had the 7th at Long Island when we should've had the first. I believe the change came because of the COI at Orange County.
You're right! thx for savin the day fam. I had forgotten since I wasn't supposed to run LI.
Edit - Can we have a COI list added somewhere in the Doc for ease of memory?
MARS_James
20-12-2016, 20:27
Here's the New Team Order for Lone Star North
F3
FIRST Pick
The Breakfast Company
Questionable Decisionmakers
Falcon
The Regal Falcons
Untitled Team
Swamp Life
NE Way You Want It
I posted the order 3 days ago:
So since I am running the next draft set I figured I would post the draft order:
FIRST Pick
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
Untitled Team
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
NE Way You Want It
The Regal Falcons
Falcon
Is there something wrong with it?
I posted the order 3 days ago:
Is there something wrong with it?
Nope! I missed it and Brennan told me it wasn't posted. (Blame Brennan for that one)
BrennanB
20-12-2016, 20:29
Nope! I missed it and Brennan told me it wasn't posted. (Blame Brennan for that one)
Err my bad!
MARS_James
20-12-2016, 20:31
Err my bad!
I was making the thread and got so confused
Figured I'd bring this up now so something can be decided on how to handle it.
Chesapeake is our final draft of the year, however, it's also the 10th draft after a randomized list, meaning the event itself should be randomized. However, since it's the last event, there won't be any rotation to speak of afterward.
Basically means certain teams will be getting an advantage over others due a single randomized draft.
Personally, I think one event isn't a huge deal. However, being a District draft, there will be ramifications for its DCMP.
Open to suggestions, I figure no matter what happens someones going to get the short of the stick.
Edit - this also happens to Touluca.
MARS_James
20-12-2016, 20:51
Figured I'd bring this up now so something can be decided on how to handle it.
Chesapeake is our final draft of the year, however, it's also the 10th draft after a randomized list, meaning the event itself should be randomized. However, since it's the last event, there won't be any rotation to speak of afterward.
Basically means certain teams will be getting an advantage over others due a single randomized draft.
Personally, I think one event isn't a huge deal. However, being a District draft, there will be ramifications for its DCMP.
Open to suggestions, I figure no matter what happens someones going to get the short of the stick.
Edit - this also happens to Touluca.
Brought this up earlier in the thread:
Also looking at the sheet if we keep the multiday drafts the way they have been previously then we technically need another random for Chesapeake district.
Just as a note, Toluca is in the same boat, as randomization triggers at Israel for the DCMP drafts.
The general plan was that the rotation would simply run once again if the remaining drafts were <1/2 of one rotation, and only re-randomize if that wasn't the case.
Oh, right, and about the waiver priority: It's rookie players in order of signup, then returning players in reverse order of last year's finish (as much as possible). Hmmm.... Now there's an idea...
Any objections to running Toluca and Chesapeake on straight waiver priority?
I object, means teams that are actively making waiver trades get shafted by being low picks. I would rather just Randomize Touluca and Israel, that way all Districts are part of a rotation, minimizing randomization effects on DCMPs.
Edit - Apparently Israel is a district too, I'd still prefer randomization over using waiver priority though.
MARS_James
20-12-2016, 21:02
I object, means teams that are actively making waiver trades get shafted by being low picks. I would rather just Randomize Touluca and Israel, that way all Districts are part of a rotation, minimizing randomization effects on DCMPs.
Edit - Apparently Israel is a district too, I'd still prefer randomization over using waiver priority though.
Kind of agree with you here just an extra random for Touluca, then another for chesapeake should be fine.
tindleroot
20-12-2016, 21:42
Of course, to partially even out those two randomizations (even though it won't make drafting *completely* fair), we could simply make Chesapeake the reverse order of Toluca.
Of course, to partially even out those two randomizations (even though it won't make drafting *completely* fair), we could simply make Chesapeake the reverse order of Toluca.
Seconded, seems like a good way to go IMO. Reduces crazy swings in picks(Like 1 team getting FP at both, or last pick at both). Sure, CHS top picks might be slightly more important, but no matter what someone is going to get a shorter end of the stick than someone else, and this seems best overall.
MARS_James
20-12-2016, 21:54
Seconded, seems like a good way to go IMO
Thirded
Also I really hope two teams don't drop out of lonestar central cause then we would need to redraft and split it
Thirded
Also I really hope two teams don't drop out of lonestar central cause then we would need to redraft and split it
I'm down with the two-draft cycle. So... Laguna is random, Chesapeake is reverse of Laguna. I've flagged those two bright green in the sheet.
I believe there's some contingency for being short a team during scoring, but it's been so long since we've come close to using it that I can't remember what it is. If someone notices a dropout before the event, we could probably arrange a redraft.
Brian Maher
20-12-2016, 23:32
I'm down with the two-draft cycle. So... Laguna is random, Chesapeake is reverse of Laguna. I've flagged those two bright green in the sheet.
I believe there's some contingency for being short a team during scoring, but it's been so long since we've come close to using it that I can't remember what it is. If someone notices a dropout before the event, we could probably arrange a redraft.
I like this idea, though I'm not a huge fan of the idea of pairing Laguna (32 teams) and CHS (132 teams last year). I think it would make more sense to use the flipped Laguna ordering for one of the smaller districts, such as IN (49 teams last year) or NC (52 teams last year), and keep CHS as part of the district rotation.
I like this idea, though I'm not a huge fan of the idea of pairing Laguna (32 teams) and CHS (132 teams last year). I think it would make more sense to use the flipped Laguna ordering for one of the smaller districts, such as IN (49 teams last year) or NC (52 teams last year), and keep CHS as part of the district rotation.
Also works for me.
Also works for me.
I looked up the current numbers for the districts. Indiana (62 teams) draws the short straw as the smallest district, and will be the reverse of the Toluca draft order. Cheseapeake will take the last slot of the district rotation.
niklas674
21-12-2016, 19:46
Trf has the 8th pick at both drafts
Trf has the 8th pick at both drafts
So? Lone Star North was randomized.
niklas674
21-12-2016, 19:48
So? Lone Star North was randomized.
Why do we have the 8th at both. We should have the 7th at one of them.
MARS_James
21-12-2016, 19:49
Why do we have the 8th at both. We should have the 7th at one of them.
It is a new draft cycle?
niklas674
21-12-2016, 19:50
It is a new draft cycle?
We had the 9th last night as part of what I thought to be a new draft cycle.
MARS_James
21-12-2016, 19:52
We had the 9th last night as part of what I thought to be a new draft cycle.
No check the sheet:
Link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lszTYgJIcEmdJ5mS6jmjXnHW0VYvpYhBCs4Z4zVG7AI/edit#gid=0)
Lone star north is the new cycle
niklas674
21-12-2016, 19:52
Alright. Again I'm easily confused.
We had the 9th last night as part of what I thought to be a new draft cycle.
You had 9th at Buckeye, meaning you get 8th at Brazos Valley. Lone Star North is the start of a new cycle, so you just happened to get randomized 8th.
You SHOULD of been 1st at Long Island(This is probably why you're confused). However, due to Falcon's COI, the draft order for Long Island and Orange County were swapped. So instead of being 7th at Orange County and 1st at Long Island, you were 1st at Orange County, and 7th at Long Island.
Order for Toluca
NE Way You Want It
Questionable Decisionmakers
The Regal Falcons
The Breakfast Company
Falcon
F3
Untitled Team
FIRST Pick
Swamp Life
Which means this is Indiana
Swamp Life
FIRST Pick
Untitled Team
F3
Falcon
The Breakfast Company
The Regal Falcons
Questionable Decisionmakers
NE Way You Want It
MARS_James
21-12-2016, 20:38
Which means this is Indiana
Swamp Life
FIRST Pick
Untitled Team
F3
Falcon
The Breakfast Company
The Regal Falcons
Questionable Decisionmakers
NE Way You Want It
I gotta say that is a Kil-A position to pick from ;)
Did we ever decide if Districts are trade locked? I'm in the boat that thinks you shouldn't be able to trade in Districts/DCMPS/CMP, but I mostly care about DCMP/CMP being trade locked.
If this got decided earlier, my bad, can't remember.
Did we ever decide if Districts are trade locked? I'm in the boat that thinks you shouldn't be able to trade in Districts/DCMPS/CMP, but I mostly care about DCMP/CMP being trade locked.
If this got decided earlier, my bad, can't remember.
My only question would be is if DCMP scoring is the same as any regional scoring, or if a multiplier is applied to it. If a multiplier is applied, district trades shouldn't be allowed. If it's not, then single draft district trades should be allowed.
DCMP/Champs trades should not be allowed.
BrennanB
21-12-2016, 22:02
My only question would be is if DCMP scoring is the same as any regional scoring, or if a multiplier is applied to it. If a multiplier is applied, district trades shouldn't be allowed. If it's not, then single draft district trades should be allowed.
DCMP/Champs trades should not be allowed.
The problem is some districts the second round of teams are reversed. Trading slots could be problematic. I'd rather just avoid it all together, it's simple, and less abusable. District ranking comes out clean and fair.
The problem is some districts the second round of teams are reversed. Trading slots could be problematic. I'd rather just avoid it all together, it's simple, and less abusable. District ranking comes out clean and fair.
That's what we were thinking: No slot trades for districts, particularly the two-day districts.
Also, DCMPs are drafted separately, during competition.
Seeing as that's been brought up...we'll take a look at the future (post-Kickoff) schedule.
DCMPs will be drafted during the "preceding week", whichever that happens to be. So, with Israel being something like Week 4, the Israel DCMP draft will open shortly after Week 3 events. MI DCMP, on the other hand, as a Week 7, will open shortly after Week 6 events. DCMPs will be standard 3-round events, draft order determined by your score in that particular district, no slot trading. CMP Division drafts will follow shortly after DCMPs conclude and teams start registering--CMP South first, CMP North second--again with no slot trades allowed.
Waivers... I'll probably do another sniff-through sometime during build, but once Week 1 events begin, all lists are locked and can only be changed by waiver.
tindleroot
22-12-2016, 18:11
What was the final decision on district scoring? All events? First two only? Inter-district?
Inter-districts only.
I believe you mean intra-district only.
Difference by example:
Intermural: Your college football team plays their archrival.
Intramural: Your dorm takes on another dorm from your college at flag football.
So, now that that's up... I'm going to set the deadline to get the lists in at midnight PACIFIC on 12/22, with processed on 12/23.
Time's up! Processing will commence later, er, today.
And your waiver awards are, in the original priority order...
QD picks up 4253 in Southern Cross and 2403 in Colorado.
Swamp Life uses MTP on 4613 in South Pacific, and picks up 2383 in Orlando.
Falcon uses MTP on 4613 in Southern Cross, and picks up 1710 in Kansas City.
FIRST Pick adds 1592 in Orlando and 171 in Central Illinois.
TBC picks up 3284 in St. Louis and 3042 in Lake Superior.
All unclaimed teams, as well as all dropped teams from this run (so far, 3653 in Orlando and 1802 in GKC), are now free agents.
Waiver priority is now:
NE WYWI
TRF
F3
Untitled
Swamp Life
Falcon
QD
FIRST Pick
TBC
And your waiver awards are, in the original priority order...
QD picks up 4253 in Southern Cross and 2403 in Colorado.
Swamp Life uses MTP on 4613 in South Pacific, and picks up 2383 in Orlando.
Falcon uses MTP on 4613 in Southern Cross, and picks up 1710 in Kansas City.
FIRST Pick adds 1592 in Orlando and 171 in Central Illinois.
TBC picks up 3284 in St. Louis and 3042 in Lake Superior.
All unclaimed teams, as well as all dropped teams from this run (so far, 3653 in Orlando and 1802 in GKC), are now free agents.
Waiver priority is now:
NE WYWI
TRF
F3
Untitled
Swamp Life
Falcon
QD
FIRST Pick
TBC
Eric, can you please explain MTP to the rest of us? Because looking at these results, it appears we didn't get the team we wanted, especially considering we had the first overall priority.
Eric, can you please explain MTP to the rest of us? Because looking at these results, it appears we didn't get the team we wanted, especially considering we had the first overall priority.
MTP is Missing Team Priority. If a player has a hole in their draft, filling the hole takes priority over even first overall priority, if there's a conflicting claim, but it can only be used if there is a hole (a drafted team has decided not to attend that event). Two other players could have used it on those same teams, but did not for whatever reason. (And there are still players missing teams.)
tindleroot
23-12-2016, 16:52
FIRST Pick will drop 5800 in favor of 1592 at Orlando, and drop 4156 in favor of 171 at Central Illinois.
BrennanB
23-12-2016, 16:54
TBC will be dropping
4845 for 3042 in Lake superior
6391 for 3284 St. Louis.
As per waivers.
Free Agent swap
6660 out, 4931 in (St. Louis)
EDIT
Also it seems like Joe is going to be late on starting up the drafts, but will be here.
I've been stuck in traffic for 3 hours, will prob have to reschedule 10k lakes to a later date(maybe same day as CHS? theres a slot.
Unless you want me to run the draft in 2 hours that is.
I've been stuck in traffic for 3 hours, will prob have to reschedule 10k lakes to a later date(maybe same day as CHS? theres a slot.
Unless you want me to run the draft in 2 hours that is.
Just got done with North Star, can run 10K starting in 20 minutes if lists can be forwarded.
EDIT: 10K Lakes is UP, and open for picks/lists effective now. I plan to be a little generous with the times due to the last-minute switch.
EDIT 2: I got to thinking... I know some folks are not online/can't make the 10K draft. And I know there are lists that I don't have. So...
Consider the times on this one as effective on MONDAY, or whenever I happen to get the next list in line. Basically, it'll be "running" through the weekend, and updated whenever the next slot is picked, until Monday, at which point it'll be wrapped up as necessary.
Through Monday, feel free to send in lists, picks, etc., but we'll be taking this one nice and easy. Joseph, if you can send the lists you have over, that'd be great--just not while driving!
I'm unable to run a draft this Monday or this Friday due to family matters that have come up today, so Alamo and Indiana will need a runner.
MARS_James
25-12-2016, 08:16
I'm unable to run a draft this Monday or this Friday due to family matters that have come up today, so Alamo and Indiana will need a runner.
I got you, if the family matters are positive enjoy your holidays, if they are negative I hope things improve.
In the interests of knowledge, the draft order for the districts (other than Indiana) will be:
FIRST Pick
The Regal Falcons
The Breakfast Company
Swamp Life
Falcon
Questionable Decisionmakers
Untitled Team
NE Way You Want It
F3
Reminder that district drafts will not allow slot trades.
Israel will be up a little on the early side (later tonight)--I'll likely be running a hair late that day.
MARS_James
26-12-2016, 20:56
In the interests of knowledge, the draft order for the districts (other than Indiana) will be:
FIRST Pick
The Regal Falcons
The Breakfast Company
Swamp Life
Falcon
Questionable Decisionmakers
Untitled Team
NE Way You Want It
F3
Cool I am first pick in Ontario, that's OP
Cool I am first pick in Ontario, that's OP
Yeah... I was wondering if I should just put "2056" in the first slot there... Ain't NOBODY gonna pass that one up!
And now I'm wondering if I should just put out the three I've got set up--yeah. Not happening.
But if someone decides to send a list for Israel, Peachtree, or Ontario my way, I've got those three set up and ready to post (if they aren't already posted).
Brian Maher
26-12-2016, 21:40
The scoring for district teams will be the average of their internal district event scores excluding culture award (DCA/DEI/DRAS) points plus their total culture award points, right?
The scoring for district teams will be the average of their internal district event scores excluding culture award (DCA/DEI/DRAS) points plus their total culture award points, right?
Correct.
Brennan is running North Carolina for me tonight since I'm pretty sick, I've forwarded him the lists I received from QD, FP, and NEWYWI.
Golfer4646
30-12-2016, 21:08
F3 and The Breakfast Company have agreed to the following trade.
F3 receives:
2338 - at the Central Illinois Regional
3418 - at the Seven Rivers Regional
3277 - at the Lake Superior Regional
The Breakfast Company receives:
2481 - at the Central Illinois Regional
269 - at the Seven Rivers Regional
3293 - at the Lake Superior Regional
F3 and The Breakfast Company have agreed to the following trade.
F3 receives:
2338 - at the Central Illinois Regional
3418 - at the Seven Rivers Regional
3277 - at the Lake Superior Regional
The Breakfast Company receives:
2481 - at the Central Illinois Regional
269 - at the Seven Rivers Regional
3293 - at the Lake Superior Regional
Confirmed, will apply changes in main spreadsheet (once I finish updating it).
Some of you might notice that New England, MAR, and Chesapeake are all up. I'm looking at a possibly very busy weekend around Kickoff (for reasons unrelated to Kickoff), so I'd like to get through those relatively quickly. Officially, the drafts aren't until Monday or later. OTOH, they're open.
For NE and MAR, there will be a minor pause once the first day is done to allow for the reset to the next day (reverse order and clean up the available-teams list).
First trade of the New Year (for us east coasters, that is. Last trade of 2016 for you Central, Mountain, and West Coasters)!
Falcon Receives:
4590 @ Israel
2158 @ Colorado
3250 @ Sacramento
QD Receives:
2212 @ Israel
662 @ Colorado
1678 @ Sacramento
So, one thing we noticed while looking at the MAR, Ontario, and Chesapeake team lists is that both Ontario (146 teams) and Chesapeake (129 teams) have more teams than MAR (120 teams). However, MAR is the only district of these three to have a six-round draft. That seems a little odd to me, especially since Chesapeake had a round 2 last year.
We understand that we're probably a little late to schedule a second round for Ontario and Chesapeake, especially considering we're less than a week from kickoff. That's just something odd we noticed that doesn't make sense. We think it wouldn't be a bad idea to run a second Chesapeake round and a second Ontario round starting around 8:30 pm on 1/6/17 (or earlier for Ontario), but we also understand if that's too short notice.
BrennanB
01-01-2017, 15:52
So, one thing we noticed while looking at the MAR, Ontario, and Chesapeake team lists is that both Ontario (146 teams) and Chesapeake (129 teams) have more teams than MAR (120 teams). However, MAR is the only district of these three to have a six-round draft. That seems a little odd to me, especially since Chesapeake had a round 2 last year.
We understand that we're probably a little late to schedule a second round for Ontario and Chesapeake, especially considering we're less than a week from kickoff. That's just something odd we noticed that doesn't make sense. We think it wouldn't be a bad idea to run a second Chesapeake round and a second Ontario round starting around 8:30 pm on 1/6/17 (or earlier for Ontario), but we also understand if that's too short notice.
TBC would be fine with this.
niklas674
01-01-2017, 15:54
TRF also agrees with this.
MARS_James
01-01-2017, 17:39
So, one thing we noticed while looking at the MAR, Ontario, and Chesapeake team lists is that both Ontario (146 teams) and Chesapeake (129 teams) have more teams than MAR (120 teams). However, MAR is the only district of these three to have a six-round draft. That seems a little odd to me, especially since Chesapeake had a round 2 last year.
We understand that we're probably a little late to schedule a second round for Ontario and Chesapeake, especially considering we're less than a week from kickoff. That's just something odd we noticed that doesn't make sense. We think it wouldn't be a bad idea to run a second Chesapeake round and a second Ontario round starting around 8:30 pm on 1/6/17 (or earlier for Ontario), but we also understand if that's too short notice.
Swamp Life has some concerns. Despite having less teams MAR has a much deeper field than Chesapeake which was dominated by a select few teams last year.
I personally feel that Ontario as a new district, that under the regional system was dominated by a small amount of teams will be the same.
All that creating double drafts for them will accomplish is increasing the likely hood of someone picking a team who has a fluke good year and getting a point bonus. That isnt skill its luck.
Basically in my opinion Chesapeake showed a shallow field and until a new district shows otherwise it should be treated as such as well.
Something I think we've done once or twice is to run a 4th round for an extra team. That's something that could be worked in fairly quickly, if we thought it was worth it.
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Basically in my opinion Chesapeake showed a shallow field and until a new district shows otherwise it should be treated as such as well.
That's probably a bad attitude for if/when Minnesota arrives to districts, but to each his own.
Something I think we've done once or twice is to run a 4th round for an extra team. That's something that could be worked in fairly quickly, if we thought it was worth it.
I'm fine with this. There are plenty of good teams left to draft at both, even if not everyone wants to do the full extra three. But we'd still prefer a full set.
Something has come up, and I'm going to have to push NE back a day (or so).
That being said, I don't have any problems at all with keeping NE up until the 6th, advancing as time and picks allow. So what I'm thinking is that the first round of NE will be "through" probably Thursday unless picks come in (they have been, TBC is on what clock I'm keeping for their 2nd pick), and the second round will take the second slot on Friday (if we get lucky, Chesapeake will be through most of its rounds too).
As far as extra roundage... Ontario is currently complete, so I don't think it's worth re-opening and running another draft round there. For Chesapeake, I think we can add 1 more runthrough with no issues--it'd be 9-1 order, 1-minute timing.
MARS_James
01-01-2017, 21:38
That's probably a bad attitude for if/when Minnesota arrives to districts, but to each his own.
So looking at the last 3 years of Minnesota Regionals, the number of slots for veterans they can produce (3 Winners, Chairman's, EI, our 3 largest point scorers) is 60. Of those 60, 17 went to out of state teams, bringing it down to 43. Those 43 slots were won by 24 teams. In a state that had 208 teams last year that is horrible.
Generally speaking, districts have been dominated by fewer teams during their first one or two years, as the benefits gained by having a district system have yet to be fruitful for the majority of teams. Ya can't benefit from districts til you go through at least a year of em. There are exceptions of course, but they are far and in between. Anyways, it's probably a discussion for a different place :P
So looking at the last 3 years of Minnesota Regionals, the number of slots for veterans they can produce (3 Winners, Chairman's, EI, our 3 largest point scorers) is 60. Of those 60, 17 went to out of state teams, bringing it down to 43. Those 43 slots were won by 24 teams. In a state that had 208 teams last year that is horrible.
Okay. Cool? They have four regionals per year. With 60+ teams at each. I suspect that when they expand to the 11+ district events they'll have to have, there will be a little more diversity in the success of teams.
Okay. Cool? They have four regionals per year. With 60+ teams at each. I suspect that when they expand to the 11+ district events they'll have to have, there will be a little more diversity in the success of teams.
As Joseph pointed out, it might take a year or two to get much beyond that. Chesapeake is barely at that point; MAR has been there for a few years.
Obviously I'll be taking at least some of that into consideration for next year's drafting schedule (as well as TX going district--that one's a known factor!).
Okay. Cool? They have four regionals per year. With 60+ teams at each. I suspect that when they expand to the 11+ district events they'll have to have, there will be a little more diversity in the success of teams.
Yes, there will be more success if diversity. More events = more points to be earned. However that does not mean that the actual quality of those teams will instantly increase due to the adaptation of the district system, it should take minimum a year until you see an increase in team performance due to the district, anything else outside of extreme outliers is due to other factors.
Personally, I think the only district that warrants a double draft is FIM with its 400+ teams, but thats just me.
Brian Maher
01-01-2017, 22:39
So, to confirm, we will not be held to the times on the NE draft tomorrow, correct?
So, to confirm, we will not be held to the times on the NE draft tomorrow, correct?
Correct. They'll be for Thursday instead. However, I would encourage anybody looking at NE to go ahead if they are the next pick--I'll update whenever I can.
niklas674
02-01-2017, 21:43
What was the deal with the fim and pnw drafts today?
What was the deal with the fim and pnw drafts today?
FiM isn't drafting today. It starts 1/4.
No comment on PNW.
Due to Comcast once again being unreliable as all hell and having "technical downtime in my area" with no prior warning, PNW will be suspended a day. PNW #1 - 1/3 7pm, PNW #2 - 1/4 7pm.
That, or we can magically finish PNW #1 up before 7pm tomorrow, but I have no problem running PNW #2 and FIM #1 at the same time.
Jay O'Donnell
02-01-2017, 22:14
Can someone post a quick list of when all of the drafts are that are left?
NE: Open, 1st "day" ends Thursday, 2nd day on Friday (1/6).
PNW: Open, pushed back to tomorrow (1/3) and Wednesday (1/4).
MAR: Open, 1/4 and 1/5.
MI: Open, 1/4 and 1/5.
Chesapeake: Open, 1/6.
DCMPs draft in March and April.
1/3 - PNW #1
1/4 - MAR #1, FIM #1, PNW #2
1/5 - MAR #2, FIM #2, NE #1
1/6 - NE #2, CHS
Pretty sure that's right.
1/3 - PNW #1
1/4 - MAR #1, FIM #1, PNW #2
1/5 - MAR #2, FIM #2, NE #1
1/6 - NE #2, CHS
Pretty sure that's right.
And now it's:
1/5: MAR #2 (up now--Untitled's pick, Round 1), FIM #2, NE #1 (up now--Untitled's pick, Round 2)
1/6: NE #2, CHS (up now--Untitled's pick, Round 1)
I don't have many lists for MAR, NE, and CHS (Chesapeake), so picks are appreciated.
niklas674
05-01-2017, 19:30
Who's running FIM?
It appears to be Brennan right now
Who's running FIM?
It looks like Joseph's internet went out again. Brennan seems to have taken up the slack, at least for now.
BrennanB
05-01-2017, 19:31
I can do what I can. F3 probably has a list in tho and don't really want to random them. If people could just live pick that would be good.
niklas674
05-01-2017, 19:35
I can do what I can. F3 probably has a list in tho and don't really want to random them. If people could just live pick that would be good.
I sent them a message in f4. Should be on shortly.
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