info for assingment

[Noelle]

does anyone know the team name of of robots 102 126 or 131? please if you do tell me!!

[Ken Leung]

You can look up a little of their info in the member section of this forum. Just click the Members link at the upper left corner of the page, and choose the Team list. Then look up team 102, 126, and 131.

I happen to know 126's name is Gael Force from Clinton High School in Clinton, MA, and 131's name is C.H.A.O.S from Central High school, in Manchester, MA.

After looking in their website, team 102's name is The Dexterous Gearheads, and they are from Somerville High School, from Somerville, NJ.

[Jeff Rodriguez]

131 is from manchester, NH not MA

[Ken Leung]

Must be too early in the morning... that's right, CHAOS is local near FIRST's headquarter at Manchester, New Hampshire... sorry about that.

[hixofthehood]

Noelle you have the wrong teams...lol.

Try again.

[Wayne C.]

I'm curious about what this assignment is?

[Noelle]

i got the wrong list... all well... atleast I did the assignment! not many have :)

[Noelle]

what are the names of teams 232 and 255? i looked in the team list and they werent there

[Stephanie]

try checking out the FIRST website at www.usfirst.org

[Ken Leung]

Team 232 no longer exist. Their students formed team 814 last year.

Team 255 I heard from their NASA engineer that they won't have a team next year.

If you are still interested, I can find out contact info for you.

[Noelle]

i need the team names they had in 2000 when they won

[D.J. Fluck]

Thanks to the handy FIRST 2000 Program:

232: NASA Ames Research Center/ Napa Pipe

Vintage HS

Team Name: Vintage HS Robotics Team

Napa, California

Robot Name: Crusher
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255

NASA Ames Research Center
Foothill HS

Team Name: Odyssey

San Jose, California

Robot Name: Odyssey
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This is according to the FIRST 2000 Program

[Noelle]

thank you so much!

[Wayne C.]

Say it aint so about Vintage and Foothills!-

as our partners in 2000 we kind of keep track of what is going on with them. Last year we lost contact with Vintage but Dr. Bot from Foothills and I still swapped a few e-mails.

Hey guys from both teams- if you are still out there- if we at 25 can help out in any way let us know.

WC
:(

[kmcclary]

Originally posted by Noelle
does anyone know the team name of of robots 102 126 or 131? please if you do tell me!! Here you go... This is directly from FIRST's team database:

102 Ortho-Clinical Diagnostics & Somerville High School, Somerville, NJ USA
- http://shsfirst.virtualave.net/
Nickname: "The Dexterous Gearheads"

126 Nypro, Inc. & Clinton High School, Clinton, MA USA
- http://www.nypro.com/
(Click on "company info", then "FIRST" button)
Nickname: "Gael Force"

131 View Communications & Central High School, Manchester, NH USA
- http://chaos131.tripod.com
Nickname: "C.H.A.O.S."
Slogan: "We're in the zone"
Originally posted by Noelle
What are the names of teams 232 and 255? I looked in the team list and they weren't thereNeither are registered for this year's contest.

Team 232's last entry was in 2001:
232 Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers/ William G. Gillmore Foundation/ Gasser Foundation & Vintage HS, Napa, CA USA
- http://www.nrc.nvusd.k12.ca.us/

Team 255's last entry was in 2002:
255 NASA ARC & East Side Union High School District, San Jose, CA USA
- http://www.esuhsd.org/

Here's MY trick to find ANY team in this year's contest... :) Simply use this FIRST database inquiry link I created:
- http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event%20year=2003&status=signed%20up&-sortfield=team%20id&-max=all&-find
To find previous year's contestants, edit the "year=" entry. For 2001 and before, drop the "&status=signed%20up" term.

It may not be pretty, and returns duplicate entries if they're signed up for more than one regional that year, but it works! :D I'm still trying to figure out how to directly access a team's "nickname" from the FIRST database instead of having to visit the team's webpage. I know it's in there somewhere, because they're printed in the Yearbook. I just haven't found the database inquiry term for it yet.

I hope this helps!

- Keith

[Redhead Jokes]

that's coming in real handy. we're trying to reconstruct our team's history, and we're still a little confused. Thank you!

[kmcclary]

Originally posted by Redhead Jokes
that's coming in real handy. we're trying to reconstruct our team's history, and we're still a little confused. Thank you! You're welcome!

BTW, there are some limitations, so be very careful if you're using it for "archival research". Some of the data returned is only "current", because there's only one entry slot for it in the database.

For example: The Team Name will ALWAYS show with the current set of sponsors, regardless of year requested. They didn't save the old sponsors.

However, it does appear to be a good way to research a team's regional contest entries for a particular year, or find out about old teams that "fell off of the scope" by not entering this year.

- Keith

[Redhead Jokes]

Originally posted by kmcclary
For example: The Team Name will ALWAYS show with the current set of sponsors, regardless of year requested. They didn't save the old sponsors.

However, it does appear to be a good way to research a team's regional contest entries for a particular year, or find out about old teams that "fell off of the scope" by not entering this year.

- Keith

It worked for us cuz we were...
'97
listed as team 92

'98
164 TRW / ADTECH & Hawthorne HS & North HS & Leuzinger HS & Mira Costa HS & Redondo HS , USA

and then current team # 294.

I had to look up where Luezinger was - Lawndale.


Thanks again!

[hixofthehood]

Sheesh, give away the answers why don't you, Noelle.
It's a scavenger hunt for SPAM homework.

[kmcclary]

Originally posted by hixofthehood
Sheesh, give away the answers why don't you, Noelle.
It's a scavenger hunt for SPAM homework. Now wait a second...

I thought she was quite smart to ask for assistance. A very effective use of the resources she knew she had at hand to make her work go quickly. By asking, she also learned a method to find out any team's data from now on. Merely finding the data once wouldn't have taught her that. (The "teach a person to fish" lesson.) :)

Moral: Never be afraid to admit your ignorance, and ask someone something. You may just learn something new...

Now if the scavenger hunt specified "no asking someone (i.e. CDF)" in the rules, that's a different story. HOWEVER, if it did not forbid it, tough. Don't try to make it a moral crime just because someone slipped up in rule making (and you didn't think of the strategy first) :D...

Honestly, "best at hand resource use" and "using the rules to your best advantage" is in part the essence of getting anything done rapidly in industry, and the world in general.

My advice: If she isn't already on it, add her to your Strategy Team immediately. She's really thinking! :)

Now that the answers are posted... Let's see how many of your team think to LOOK here for them! :)

- Keith

[hixofthehood]

Originally posted by kmcclary
Now wait a second...

Don't try to make it a moral crime just because someone slipped up in rule making (and you didn't think of the strategy first) :D...

Now that the answers are posted... Let's see how many of your team think to LOOK here for them! :)

- Keith

Oh, yes, I agree. I already did it. I just deleted the thread to cover my tracks. I wanted to encourage her to do the same.

I don't want just any old SPAMmer stumbling across the answer.

Then again, it will be hilarious at the next meeting when people try to say they couldn't find the answer...and it was right here all along!

I think we should do these little research projects more often. This was fun, sneaking around and learning about other teams.

[Noelle]

hey your right hix... covering tracks is a very good plan... and thankyou Keith for the compliment... i happen to think it was a good idea myself... comes from having to learn how to do things fast and effiecently.
now though... hix is right... i dont want lots of peopele figuring it out.... how can i delete this thread so not everyone finds it?

[Clark Gilbert]

Normally all you have to do is just edit your first post and there is a thing that says delete, but i think it's already past the time given for a person to delete their thread...It can still be deleted, you'll just have to ask a moderator to do it.

[kmcclary]

Originally posted by Noelle
hey your right hix... covering tracks is a very good plan... [...] now though... hix is right... i dont want lots of peopele figuring it out.... how can i delete this thread so not everyone finds it? Aw come on... leave it. Let's see how many can't even search on a thread here! :) Then you can REALLY rib them!

<looks at membership> Wow! 28 SPAM team members here! OOC, do you have a team requirement that everyone on your team must be on the CDF?

- Keith

[Noelle]

31 not 28.... a few more and we have the most of any team

[IsabelRinging]

Originally posted by kmcclary
Aw come on... leave it. Let's see how many can't even search on a thread here! :) Then you can REALLY rib them!

<looks at membership> Wow! 28 SPAM team members here! OOC, do you have a team requirement that everyone on your team must be on the CDF?

- Keith

They're all just following my lead. I'm worshipped amongst the SPAMmers.

...no. Our team would crumble if people did that. :D

It's probably just because we have like 60 new members this year.

We do well, and people are scrambling to join. Leeches. It's all good though, because none of them smell too bad. :D :p

*rereads previous statement and cracks up*

hehehehehe... I think it's time for bed.

[kmcclary]

Originally posted by Noelle
31 not 28.... a few more and we have the most of any team Well, unless I can't count anymore (which may be likely ;)...), according to the CDF members database, only 28 CDF participants have actually declared themselves as members of Team 180 SPAM. You may have more, but they're not registered as such here.

Here's another trick for you: You can check out your team's CDF list here:
- http://chiefdelphi.com/forums/memberlist.php?&action=getall&what=teamlist&field5=180
Look it over, bookmark it for the future, then go beat on everyone that hasn't signed up yet (or forgot to declare their team affiliation)... :D

You can even use THAT data for another trivia challenge in some way! :)

- Keith

[Warren Boudreau]

Noelle,
Good job on tracking down the information. You never have to do all of the work yourself. You just have to know where to go for the answer. Chief Delphi is the best resource for answers around.

Keith,
We currently have 100 +/- students on the SPAM roster. I'm still trying to figure out what to do with all of them come build season. With veterans like Izzie and Hix, I'm sure I'll figure something.

[kmcclary]

Originally posted by Warren Boudreau Keith,
We currently have 100 +/- students on the SPAM roster. I'm still trying to figure out what to do with all of them come build season. With veterans like Izzie and Hix, I'm sure I'll figure something.

WOW... :eek: No wonder you're called "SPAM"!!! How many are "the hard core" members that participate a lot (vs "paper" or "meeting only" members)?

What to do with them? Just have them all sign up here... Oh, BTW, tell them to put on their CDF registrations that "kmcclary" referred them here ... :D

Seriously though, are you looking for real suggestions for something to do with them? Although a rookie team, Pioneer is THE largest comprehensive HS in MI, with about 2800 students, 800 in the Freshman Class alone. Our initial signup included tons of students, but we'll soon see how many really become the "hard core". Therefore, we've expected from Day One that within a few years we'd be wrestling with the "what to do with extra students" problem, so we've already started thinking about it. We may want to swap ideas on the subject.


OOC, with a team of your size, do you differentiate between your "home team" and "traveling team" for "away games" (Regionals that require travel and hotel)? We're lucky. One regional (GLR) is in our back yard (<10 miles away), so EVERYONE goes, but we're still working out how to handle the cost of "away games" with a large team without going broke...

If someone hasn't already, maybe we should start a separate "what to do with large teams" thread, to see what other big teams do, both WRT traveling, and other activities to keep everyone busy. I like your "scavenger hunt" idea, but I'd also like to focus their experiences toward education and robot building experiments or labs. I'm meeting FTF with another team's teacher soon to discuss that very topic.

- Keith

[Noelle]

thanks Warren. i tired to find the team names, thats why i had one... but im glad i figured out how to find them. btw.. its Izzy not Izzie

[IsabelRinging]

Originally posted by kmcclary
OOC, with a team of your size, do you differentiate between your "home team" and "traveling team" for "away games" (Regionals that require travel and hotel)? We're lucky. One regional (GLR) is in our back yard (<10 miles away), so EVERYONE goes, but we're still working out how to handle the cost of "away games" with a large team without going broke...

If I remember correctly, we take any people that want to go to regionals, and limit Nats to the 36 students with the most hours of participation. That's how it's been up until now, at least.

A lot of people will probably drop out a bit after kickoff though, because they'll have enough hours to get credit for their science fair project. Oh, and because they're pansies who don't know the glory of robotics. :D

[hixofthehood]

Originally posted by IsabelRinging


If I remember correctly, we take any people that want to go to regionals, and limit Nats to the 36 students with the most hours of participation. That's how it's been up until now, at least.

A lot of people will probably drop out a bit after kickoff though, because they'll have enough hours to get credit for their science fair project. Oh, and because they're pansies who don't know the glory of robotics. :D

Yeah, robotics is awesome. Wait, what was I going to say?
Oh yeah. I can't wait for kickoff. This year I'm going to be way more into the game right away. Oooh it's going to be awesome. yay.

[GateRunner]

Originally posted by IsabelRinging


Oh, and because they're pansies who don't know the glory of robotics. :D

Sorry, just thought that should be restated because...well...I dont know :D

[Noelle]

just cause were rookies doesnt mean where totally dense! we did join for a reason right Gaterunner?

[hixofthehood]

Originally posted by Noelle
just cause were rookies doesnt mean where totally dense! we did join for a reason right Gaterunner?

Becasue you heard about how awesome it was from us :)

[Noelle]

shhh making me look bad...

[IsabelRinging]

Hey now. I didn't say that either of you were the aforementioned pansies.

But now, I think it's time for us to shush unless there's something worthwhile to contribute... all we're doing now is spamming the forum... pun intended. :D :p

[kmcclary]

Originally posted by IsabelRinging
If I remember correctly, we take any people that want to go to regionals, and limit Nats to the 36 students with the most hours of participation. That's how it's been up until now, at least.36??? How much does that cost, and how do you fundraise enough for that many people??? Oh wait a sec... You're in FL. It's "local" for you. For us, it's the fee plus about $1000 a head once you've worked in airfare, food, lodging, etc... That'd be about $40,000 for us to field that size of a team there.

OOC, What's your cost/head work out to be for the Nats?

Oh yea, and considering it may not be in FL this year (we'll soon know), you may be in a different situation this year if it's held on the other coast. What will you do if it is in CA this year?

Originally posted by IsabelRinging
A lot of people will probably drop out a bit after kickoff though, because they'll have enough hours to get credit for their science fair project.What's this system of "Science Fair Credit" for just putting in hours? In our Science Fairs, we have to make projects, with a paper presentation & display board.

- Keith

[EricS-Team180]

Originally posted by kmcclary
That'd be about $40,000 for us to field that size of a team there.

OOC, What's your cost/head work out to be for the Nats?

- Keith

Well....we've been carrying a budget of 36K - to cover the Central Fl regional and Nats - for this year and that was before moving nationals became a reality. We'll still keep that as our goal, right Warren???

......so.......Izzy "you are worshipped as a Spammer!" let's see how your worshipfulness handles programming in the gyro chip on Monday :D

[IsabelRinging]

I'm not sure what we'd do if Nats was outside of Florida... probably cut down on the number of people we take, and seek out more money directly from the students.

But I really don't know much about the budget.

Originally posted by kmcclary

What's this system of "Science Fair Credit" for just putting in hours? In our Science Fairs, we have to make projects, with a paper presentation & display board.


Well at our school, many (maybe all of them... I'm not sure.) of the science teachers will exchange the requirement of the science fair project for participation in robotics club. People despise science fair, so lots of people join us solely to get out of doing it. If they're not really interested, they usually won't bother sticking around until competion, because their science teachers are usually satisfied by then.

Good thing I stuck around. :D

[kmcclary]

Originally posted by IsabelRinging
Well at our school, many (maybe all of them... I'm not sure.) of the science teachers will exchange the requirement of the science fair project for participation in robotics club. People despise science fair, so lots of people join us solely to get out of doing it. If they're not really interested, they usually won't bother sticking around until competition, because their science teachers are usually satisfied by then.Really?? Around here, the Science Fair is big news, as it is a grade booster. You can "fix" your science grade by a up to a whole point simply by entering a complete project into it, and you can't make a full "A" without it. I think the highest you can get without participating at ALL is a B+.

At the Junior High level (where I've been a Judge before), we typically have over 500 exhibits (over 80 percent of the students). It fills the gym, and overflows into other rooms. Besides the standard experiments and research projects, we've even had "working models" of things entered like 8' throw trebuchets (made from 2x4's) that can whip things over a football field length, and a homemade 6'x4' long riding hovercraft (made from a block of foam and an industrial furnace fan) that kids can ride around on. Pretty cool stuff...

I like the idea of giving credit for being in robotics, but not if the system allows bailout before the end of the year or non-participation (just showing up is "good enough"). That sounds like a recipe to accumulate non-productive members.

IYO, how many of your club members end up being simply "place holders" that are only in it for the requirement?

- Keith

[IsabelRinging]

Well I can't speak for this year, but last year nearly all the rookies I talked to were in it for the science fair, myself included. There are only a handful of exceptions I can think of.

Of course it would help to bring unproductive people... but I'm sure there'd be unproductive people either way. On the whole, I think it's a good thing because it draws people to the team that wouldn't think of joining otherwise. I know I would never have bothered to join without the science fair credit, but now that I've come and experienced it all... woooo! Yes, I think "woooo!" is the only word for it.

Just like I did, a lot of people will realize that robotics is deeper than a way out of a science assignment. Previously useless getting-out-of-the-science-fair-rookies will make use of themselves, and make efforts to contribute to the team. And the ones left over that obviously couldn't care less... well, at some point they'll leave and be out of the way. There won't be too much extra fluff still hanging around through build season, when things get harder and far more time-consuming. So I think it all works out for the best.

By the way, you'd hate science fair too if you'd been doing it for six years. :D

[hixofthehood]

Originally posted by IsabelRinging
Well I can't speak for this year, but last year nearly all the rookies I talked to were in it for the science fair, myself included. There are only a handful of exceptions I can think of.

Of course it would help to bring unproductive people... but I'm sure there'd be unproductive people either way. On the whole, I think it's a good thing because it draws people to the team that wouldn't think of joining otherwise. I know I would never have bothered to join without the science fair credit, but now that I've come and experienced it all... woooo! Yes, I think "woooo!" is the only word for it.

Just like I did, a lot of people will realize that robotics is deeper than a way out of a science assignment. Previously useless getting-out-of-the-science-fair-rookies will make use of themselves, and make efforts to contribute to the team. And the ones left over that obviously couldn't care less... well, at some point they'll leave and be out of the way. There won't be too much extra fluff still hanging around through build season, when things get harder and far more time-consuming. So I think it all works out for the best.

By the way, you'd hate science fair too if you'd been doing it for six years. :D

I agree. Woooo! hits it dead on. The sad thing is, down here-very, very few students really get in to science fair. It's just seen as a mandatory torture. I even thing so. I remember last year we had one girl Danielle that did a project on converting carbon directly into energy. She had letters from professional scientists saying that she got better results than they did in some cases, but that they 'weren't allowed to discuss it.' That sort of stuff is pretty interesting, but most people just do 'which brand of battery lasts longest?' or the like.
It actually brings down a lot of grades because of missing due dates.

[kmcclary]

Originally posted by IsabelRinging
Just like I did, a lot of people will realize that robotics is deeper than a way out of a science assignment. Previously useless getting-out-of-the-science-fair-rookies will make use of themselves, and make efforts to contribute to the team. Good point... Any way to get them to "Try it Mikey!", I guess... ;)

Originally posted by IsabelRinging
By the way, you'd hate science fair too if you'd been doing it for six years. :D LOL!! I've been doing it for decades, and I still get a kick out of it! I wouldn't be a judge for them if I didn't think they're worthwhile. Now I will admit though that I do love seeing unique and creative projects...

Yea, it can be tough to keep an open mind when you've seen the "Which Battery Lasts Longer?" display for the Nth time in a row, :rolleyes: but when you keep in mind (if they did it right) just by doing it that person now knows how to do a "Basic Research Project" (which is applicable toward other things), you still end up feeling pretty good... :)

BTW... If anyone is stuck for a Science Fair Project idea, or wants to know if the one you're thinking about is a "common" one, gimme a holler. I've seen enough to tell you your chances on it. FYI, Every project I've suggested to date has at least won a place ribbon, and some have even taken First Place honors.

- Keith