Registration 2017

[Mark McLeod]

This is a thread, one of a series over the years, dedicated to general stats about the speed, strength and direction of team & event registration for FRC (& serves as a campfire when the lights of registration servers go out).
P.S. Attached a plot of developing registration over the years.

Data is always welcome here. However, please take chatter about specific events or teams to more appropriate threads on those topics.
If you are maintaining running event/team/districts data on other threads or in standalone google spreadsheets and you want to share, please feel free to link to them or post here.

Starting stats:

3380 rough projection of the 2017 team total count. That's from 3130 total teams last season (finally settled on April 6 just before most District Championships) and I expect the gain this year is probably going to be between 7 and 8 percent which is roughly the average gain of the past couple of years.
6300 will be the starting Rookie number for this season (#6237 was the last rookie registered last season & FIRST usually rounds up to save a few team numbers each season).
10 District areas (vs 8 last season), new districts in Israel, Ontario
78 District events (vs 65 last season), plus 10 District Championships (vs 8) , and there is always the possibility of a late popup event in Michigan.
55 Regionals showing (vs 53 last season)
New Regionals in Texas, China, New York, Australia, Wisconsin, California (did I miss any?) Mexico
Two World Championship locations (vs 1 last season)


Favorite links:

Watch your favorite events fill again courtesy of Aren Siekmeier : http://173.255.246.196/2017/
Click on the code column for a list of teams currently registered at each event.
Old-style FIRST database access: https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso
frclinks courtesy of Pat Fairbank is a quick way to pull individual team & event info. directly from the FIRST database: http://frclinks.frclinks.com/
Of course The Blue Alliance is a good source for all your records/stats needs: https://www.thebluealliance.com/
Not a favorite since the latest FIRST team/event portal has issues, such as listing teams that are in error so the total counts are wrong, but it should be mentioned as the official page: http://www.firstinspires.org/team-event-search


Ryan's MAR & Regional centric data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tLbDNecNaKjBl3FtQIV_UAjI2b3_wpU99Uvvjfa6rmc/edit?usp=sharing
Allison's running FiM stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wr4ulIRG--2Wk0BvjMz-r_tdbCkVRUkhwLhGuys9nkQ/edit?usp=sharing

Registration dates:
9/22 - Regional & District 1st event
10/6 - 2nd District event, CMP for pre-qualified teams (HOF, original, 2016 winners, etc.)
10/20 - 2nd Regional event, CMP waitlist
11/3 - Unrestricted Regional events, 3rd in-District events
11/10 - Cross District additional events
11/21 - Registration closes (but the CMP waitlist remains open until 4/10/17)

[Hallry]

Always one of my favorite threads of the season. Thanks so much for doing this each year, Mark!

New Regionals in Texas, China, New York, Australia, Wisconsin, California (did I miss any?)

Mexico!



Watch your favorite events fill again courtesy of Aren Siekmeier : http://173.255.246.196/2017/
Click on the code column for a list of teams currently registered at each event.
Old-style FIRST database access: https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso

In addition to Aren's awesome site (http://173.255.246.196/2017/) and the official old-style FIRST database (which I prefer to access via this link (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?event_type=FRC&year=2017)), I'll be periodically updating my Google Doc spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tLbDNecNaKjBl3FtQIV_UAjI2b3_wpU99Uvvjfa6rmc/edit?usp=sharing) for those following at home. Best of luck to everyone at noon today!

[Trying to Help]

Thank you Mark!


Old-style FIRST database access: https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso


I'm having trouble making this generating data at this site. 2016 & 2017 FRC events and teams aren't showing. I've tried under Chrome, Safari and Firefox. Anyone have any pointers?

[Hallry]

I'm having trouble making this generating data at this site. 2016 & 2017 FRC events and teams aren't showing. I've tried under Chrome, Safari and Firefox. Anyone have any pointers?

Try using this link:
the official old-style FIRST database (which I prefer to access via this link (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?event_type=FRC&year=2017))

[lynca]

Thank you Mark for putting together this thread again !


Rookie numbers will start somewhere after #6237 (the last rookie registered last season).

Any predictions if we will hit #7000s in team numbers ?

[SenorZ]

Interested to see total Regional registration numbers after today.

Los Angeles is downgrading, Orange County is upgrading, and many other Regionals are moving to different venues. With several new events, I hope regional registration #s are generally up, but have a lower teams:regional ratio.

[bobbysq]

Any predictions if we will hit #7000s in team numbers ?

Probably not, unless a region suddenly got a huge STEM push.

[Mark McLeod]

Any predictions if we will hit #7000s in team numbers ?

Probably not, unless a region suddenly got a huge STEM push.

I agree it's very unlikely. Assuming teams start getting assigned #'s starting at 6300, it would require two normal years worth of rookies to reach 7000. Next year yes.

[jessefredrick]

I notice that some of the events have a capacity of 0...will that be an issue when registering today?

[Bkeeneykid]

I notice that some of the events have a capacity of 0...will that be an issue when registering today?

On some of these, you have to qualify for, like District and World championships. Some, like the Mexico City regional still do not have a event location, so you must apply to the waitlist and then be accepted afterwards once they have a location set. Some, like the Seven Rivers Regional, require you to be checked manually by FIRST to make sure that you are not in a conflict (see the recent blog post about this one). It won't be an issue for most people, just submit to be on the waitlist.

[jessefredrick]

Thanks for the quick response, I am in the La Crosse area and am very excited for a local regional!

[Allison K]

Here's the link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wr4ulIRG--2Wk0BvjMz-r_tdbCkVRUkhwLhGuys9nkQ/edit?usp=sharing) to my 2017 edition of FiM team and event stats. It's not particularly populated at the moment as I'm trying to remember how I compiled data efficiently the last two years. I'll update every day or two while registration is active.

[Greg Needel]

Sorry about your thread Mark. This isn't how its supposed to work.

I broke all the server issue posts into another thread so this one stays clear and is ready for data come next week (servers willing)

[Cothron Theiss]

I broke all the server issue posts into another thread so this one stays clear and is ready for data come next week (servers willing)

Thanks for doing this and for the transparency in doing so.

[plnyyanks]

I broke all the server issue posts into another thread so this one stays clear and is ready for data come next week (servers willing)

Thanks Greg! The split thread can be found here, for those looking: https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151492

[Aren Siekmeier]

District event registration opened today at noon. Public facing APIs and database queries were disabled until now, it seems that they are all up again.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?event_type=FRC&year=2017
http://173.255.246.196/2017/
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/

I imagine http://www.thebluealliance.com/ will pick up all these changes eventually as well.

For the moment all regional events and both champs have been removed from FIRST's event list, showing only district events.

[Mark McLeod]

Restarting registration with only District teams today (Regional teams tomorrow).
560 district teams registered by the half hour.
The current rate of event registration is roughly 2 teams/minute
3.7% are rookies

Granite State is full of course.
WPI will be a close second, but not yet.

[Trying to Help]

560 district teams registered by the half hour.

Granite State is full of course.
WPI will be a close second, but not yet.

1729 is happy to be attending Granite State once again!

[cgodzyk]

Mark,

what is the lowest number rookie for 2017?

[Mark McLeod]

6300, but that team isn't visible yet.
The lowest currently visible rookie team number is 6312

[FrankJ]

At 12:05 registration worked with no lag. 2974 is going to PCH Dalton for its first event.

[Mark McLeod]

Comparing with last year's numbers, it looks like a joint registration would have been an almost even split with Regional teams being only a few percent more than District teams, so that likely cut the server surge load in half.
We'll see tomorrow.

[Rosiebotboss]

I registered my team, Rosie 839, for WPI (in NE) at 12:00:40. The team count was at 7 open slots when I logged off at 12:02.

[Daler99]

I registered my team, Rosie 839, for WPI (in NE) at 12:00:40. The team count was at 7 open slots when I logged off at 12:02.

5813 is looking forward to competing at the 2017 WPI District event! As of right now, WPI has only 1 open slot.

[NShep98]

5813 is looking forward to competing at the 2017 WPI District event! As of right now, WPI has only 1 open slot.

I had no idea WPI would still be so popular given the unusual scheduling.

[nuclearnerd]

560 district teams registered by the half hour.
The current rate of event registration is roughly 2 teams/minute
3.7% are rookies

is that a normal rate for rookies on the first day? From a previous thread, it looks like somewhere between 10-15% of 2nd year teams fold, so I would have expected many more rookie teams to prop up the FIRST growth rate.

[petercooperjr]

I had no idea WPI would still be so popular given the unusual scheduling.

NE Teams that won't (or prefer not to) compete on Sundays have few options.

That, and the WPI event is awesome.

[Mark McLeod]

is that a normal rate for rookies on the first day?
Pretty normal.
The rookie rate rises much higher later on.
They are generally slower getting organized.

[Lil' Lavery]

Comparing with last year's numbers, it looks like a joint registration would have been an almost even split with Regional teams being only a few percent more than District teams, so that likely cut the server surge load in half.
We'll see tomorrow.

District registration tends to be less restrictive, as teams are bound to their own district and don't have to worry about far away teams competing for their spots. FiM and PNW also have assigned "home events" that make the process even less competitive for first registration events. In the end, there's far less need for teams to rush to register during the first 90 seconds of the process being open.

We'll see how this plays out with regional teams.

[Ken Streeter]

NE Teams that won't (or prefer not to) compete on Sundays have few options.
This year, "few options" is actually zero "options" (if option implies a choice) for NE District teams who won't compete on Sundays.

The only way for such teams to attend two NE District Events is to go to WPI (Week 2) and Pine Tree (Week 5).

Some would say we should count our blessings that we at least have one pair of events on different weeks that aren't on a Sunday.

Guess which events 1519 will be attending? ;)

[Mark McLeod]

Waterloo is the second district event to fill.
So
NE Granite State - 0
ONT Waterloo - 0

The single digit events are:

CHS Greater DC - 5

FIM Midland - 8
FIM Traverse City - 9

MAR Hatboro-Horsham - 3
MAR Mt. Olive - 9

NE WPI - 1

NC Greensboro - 8

[crazyrobochick]

This year, "few options" is actually zero "options" (if option implies a choice) for NE District teams who won't compete on Sundays.

The only way for such teams to attend two NE District Events is to go to WPI (Week 2) and Pine Tree (Week 5).

Some would say we should count our blessings that we at least have one pair of events on different weeks that aren't on a Sunday.

Guess which events 1519 will be attending? ;)

If you guys need any logistics help this year when traveling to Maine let us know. The Nuts & Bolts have been going there for the past three years but decided to try Rhode Island this year instead. We would be happy to pass on any contacts we can.

[Mark McLeod]

So, District events are temporarily closed out from 9am to noon today when they will reopen for both Regional and District initial registration and we get to see what the Regional rush looks like.

District registration was down this morning to about a new team every 20 minutes or so. The District component after noon today should have an inconsequential impact on the Regional crush.

878 District teams are registered for specific events.
29 rookie teams ~3.3%
849 veteran teams (including several 'new' veterans - spinoffs or sister teams - yes an all-girls team has a sister boys team now :)
Only two events reached the initial capacity cap.

98 - CHS (11.2%)
203 - FIM (23.1%)
45 - PCH (5.1%)
43 - IN (4.9%)
0 - ISR (events haven't been set yet) (0%)
96 - MAR (10.9%)
154 - NE (17.5%)
44 - NC (5.0%)
119 - ONT (13.6%)
76 - PNW (8.7%)

[bobbysq]

6300, but that team isn't visible yet.
The lowest currently visible rookie team number is 6312

6238 is lower (https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/6238)

[Aren Siekmeier]

6238 is lower (https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/6238)

Are 6238 to 6242 perhaps teams who registered and received rookie team numbers last year, but did not compete? 6237 is a 2016 rookie.

[Mark McLeod]

6238 (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=team_details&tpid=644827) is considered a veteran team by FIRST's Rookie criteria (http://www.firstinspires.org/sites/default/files/uploads/resource_library/frc/registration/2016/2017-rookie-team-criteria-guidelines.pdf) and was given a number from last season (2016) to reflect their veteran status.
They aren't eligible for rookie awards in this 2017 season, even though as a team they may be playing for the first time.

You'll sometimes notice me calling these types of teams "new veterans".
There are new veterans with even lower team numbers. e.g., 747 (https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/747).

[Taylor]

98 - CHS (11.2%)
203 - FIM (23.1%)
45 - PCH (5.1%)
43 - IN (4.9%)
0 - ISR (events haven't been set yet) (0%)
96 - MAR (10.9%)
154 - NE (7.5%)
44 - NC (5.0%)
119 - ONT (13.6%)
76 - PNW (8.7%)
Forgive me - what do the percentages represent? At first I thought they meant portions of the total registered teams, but their sum is only 90%.

[Jon Stratis]

Forgive me - what do the percentages represent? At first I thought they meant portions of the total registered teams, but their sum is only 90%.


98 - CHS (11.2%)
203 - FIM (23.1%)
45 - PCH (5.1%)
43 - IN (4.9%)
0 - ISR (events haven't been set yet) (0%)
96 - MAR (10.9%)
154 - NE (17.5%)
44 - NC (5.0%)
119 - ONT (13.6%)
76 - PNW (8.7%)

Fixed :)

[Mark McLeod]

Forgive me - what do the percentages represent? At first I thought they meant portions of the total registered teams, but their sum is only 90%.

They were supposed to be. I'll look for my error and correct it.

Thanks Jon!

[Richard Wallace]

...single digit events...
FIM Midland - 8
FIM Traverse City - 9



203 - FIM (23.1%)


When each FiM team has registered for its home event, three of those events will be in single-digit territory: Centerline, Midland, and Traverse City. Here is a list of FiM events, with the number of teams assigned to each as their home.

Ann Arbor 25
Centerline 34
Escanaba 18
Gull Lake 17
Howell 9
Kentwood 21
Kettering* 41
Lakeview 16
Lansing 8
Livonia 20
LSSU 13
Marysville 16
Midland 34
Southfield 23
St. Joseph 16
Traverse City 32
Troy 16
Waterford 18
West Michigan 26
Woodhaven 15

*Kettering hosts two district competitions.

The list above includes 411 veterans and 7 pre-identified rookies. Based on the last few years, we should expect a few veterans will not return, and many more rookies will be added. FiM may need to add an event or two. We are already up to four events in some weeks; e.g., Week 2 has Ann Arbor, Centerline, Kettering #2, and St. Joseph.

[Mark McLeod]

Thanks Richard, the insight is much appreciated!

[Mark McLeod]

Mine crashed after hitting Register.. oh well
9 slots left at LI when it went.

Districts have nothin' on Regional clickers :)

At least even though CD is slow, I'm not locked out of editing posts this time around :)

[Drakxii]

Another way to look district teams, this is the percent teams of teams have signed up so far per district compared to the total number of teams that signed up last year in that district.

98 - CHS (74.2%)
203 - FIM (49.4%)
45 - PCH (69.2%)
43 - IN (87.8%)
96 - MAR (79.3%)
154 - NE (85.0%)
44 - NC (84.6%)
76 - PNW (48.1%)

[Mark McLeod]

Here's a sloppy snapshot of Regional capacities
***Missing most week 5 Regional events because I can't see them yet

Alamo DATE: April 5, 2017: San Antonio, TX, USA CAPACITY: 15
Arizona North DATE: March 8, 2017: Flagstaff, AZ, USA CAPACITY: 44
Arizona West DATE: April 5, 2017: Phoenix, AZ, USA CAPACITY: 18
Arkansas Rock City DATE: March 8, 2017: Little Rock, AR, USA CAPACITY: 44
Bayou DATE: March 22, 2017: Kenner, LA, USA CAPACITY: 38
Central Illinois DATE: March 15, 2017: Peoria, IL, USA CAPACITY: 16
Central Valley DATE: March 9, 2017: Madera, CA, USA CAPACITY: 36
Colorado DATE: March 22, 2017: Denver, CO, USA CAPACITY: 35
Dallas DATE: March 8, 2017: Irving, TX, USA CAPACITY: 20
Festival de Robotique - Montreal DATE: March 22, 2017: Montreal, QC, Canada CAPACITY: 15
Finger Lakes DATE: March 15, 2017: Rochester, NY, USA CAPACITY: 27
Greater Kansas City DATE: March 15, 2017: Kansas City, MO, USA CAPACITY: 22
Greater Pittsburgh DATE: March 15, 2017: California, PA, USA CAPACITY: 7
Hub City DATE: March 1, 2017: Lubbock, TX, USA CAPACITY: 34
Hudson Valley DATE: March 23, 2017: uffern, NY, USA CAPACITY: 20
Iowa DATE: March 22, 2017: Cedar Falls, IA, USA CAPACITY: 29
Lake Superior DATE: March 1, 2017: Duluth, MN, USA CAPACITY: 0
Las Vegas DATE: April 5, 2017: Las Vegas, NV, USA CAPACITY: 34
Lone Star Central DATE: March 15, 2017: Houston, TX, USA CAPACITY: 25
Los Angeles DATE: March 23, 2017: Long Beach, CA, USA CAPACITY: 5
Mexico City - See Site InformationDATE: May 1, 2017: Mexico City, DIF, Mexico CAPACITY: 0
Miami Valley DATE: March 8, 2017: pringfield, OH, USA CAPACITY: 10
Minnesota 10000 Lakes DATE: April 5, 2017: Minneapolis, MN, USA CAPACITY: 0
Minnesota North Star DATE: April 5, 2017: Minneapolis, MN, USA CAPACITY: 0
New York City DATE: April 6, 2017: New York, NY, USA CAPACITY: 0
New York Tech Valley DATE: March 15, 2017: Troy, NY, USA CAPACITY: 10
Northern Lights DATE: March 1, 2017: Duluth, MN, USA CAPACITY: 13
Oklahoma DATE: March 22, 2017: Oklahoma City, OK, USA CAPACITY: 39
Orlando DATE: March 8, 2017: Orlando, FL, USA CAPACITY: 18
Palmetto DATE: March 1, 2017: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA CAPACITY: 44
Rocket City DATE: March 22, 2017: Huntsville, AL, USA CAPACITY: 34
Sacramento DATE: March 22, 2017: Davis, CA, USA CAPACITY: 33
San Diego presented by QualcommDATE: March 8, 2017: Del Mar, CA, USA CAPACITY: 16
San Francisco DATE: March 16, 2017: San Francisco, CA, USA CAPACITY: 24
SBPLI Long Island DATE: March 30, 2017: Hempstead, NY, USA CAPACITY: 0
Seven Rivers DATE: April 12, 2017: La Crosse, WI, USA CAPACITY: 0
Shenzhen DATE: March 8, 2017: henzhen City, 44, China CAPACITY: 17
Smoky Mountains DATE: March 22, 2017: Knoxville, TN, USA CAPACITY: 26
South Florida DATE: March 1, 2017: West Palm Beach, FL, USA CAPACITY: 43
South Pacific DATE: March 16, 2017: ydney Olympic Park, NSW, Australia CAPACITY: 27
Southern Cross DATE: March 13, 2017: ydney Olympic Park, NSW, Australia CAPACITY: 28
St. Louis DATE: March 8, 2017: t. Louis, MO, USA CAPACITY: 5
Utah DATE: March 8, 2017: West Valley City, UT, USA CAPACITY: 29
Ventura DATE: March 15, 2017: Ventura, CA, USA CAPACITY: 21
Western Canada DATE: April 5, 2017: Calgary, AB, Canada CAPACITY: 50
Wisconsin DATE: March 22, 2017: Milwaukee, WI, USA CAPACITY: 40

[Lil' Lavery]

Polite request for a moderator to once again move the bulk of the posts in this thread to the FIRST Server Issues thread, so that the Registration 2017 thread can remain about its primary topic. :)

[Hallry]

Polite request for a moderator to once again move the bulk of the posts in this thread to the FIRST Server Issues thread, so that the Registration 2017 thread can remain about its primary topic. :)

Done. Let's all try to keep posts about Server Issues on their respective thread (https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=151492).

[Jay O'Donnell]

After dealing with our own TIMs issues for a couple hours, 229 finally got our backup choice of Montreal.

[bdaroz]

After dealing with our own TIMs issues for a couple hours, 229 finally got our backup choice of Montreal.

Just out of curiosity - and presuming your primary choice was full, what was it?

[guniv]

I wish FIRST would re-open the API so I can see counts elsewhere and the teams that are signed up.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Just out of curiosity - and presuming your primary choice was full, what was it?

Long Island was our first choice, which filled up quickly. NYC also filled up quickly so it made our choice easy (we were always going to do TVR/FLR in the second round of registration due to the scheduling this year).

[MaGiC_PiKaChU]

After dealing with our own TIMs issues for a couple hours, 229 finally got our backup choice of Montreal.

Can't wait to compete with you guys! Montreal is always a blast!

[Mark McLeod]

This is missing most of the week 5 events (if anyone can send or post that week periodically), but of the others...

910 Regional teams, plus whatever the other week 5 events have, have registered and been accepted into an event as of 3:30pm
Thats more than the number of District teams that had registered by 9am this morning (878).

At 0 capacity:
Lake Superior
Los Angeles
Mexico City (never had more than 0 capacity listed)
Minnesota 10000 Lakes
Minnesota North Star
New York City
SBPLI Long Island
Seven Rivers (never had more than 0 capacity listed)
St. Louis

In the single digits:
Montreal - 8
Pittsburgh - 3
Miami Valley - 5
New York Tech Valley - 8
Northern Lights - 3
San Diego - 1
Shenzhen - 4

[Bruceb]

Mark
Where do you look for that info?

[MrForbes]

I don't know where Mark finds it, but others here showed me how to find it when I'm in TIMS....on the Dashboard, scroll down and select "Event Registration", then on the page that comes up, select "Find an Event".

I don't know how you find it if you do not have a team account on TIMS.

[waialua359]

I don't know where Mark finds it, but others here showed me how to find it when I'm in TIMS....on the Dashboard, scroll down and select "Event Registration", then on the page that comes up, select "Find an Event".

I don't know how you find it if you do not have a team account on TIMS.
Your screenshot is what I was able to find also, but it doesnt show what the event capacity is? i.e. what it was prior to registering. Also, not sure why the system doesnt show what teams are registered already? Or am I missing something.

[waialua359]

Some quirks I had on registration.
1. Some people had mentioned issues with logging into the dashboard. I had that same issue for some time now. Its a good thing I saw it before, because I was able to still get in by refreshing. It wasnt as trivial the first time I saw it.
2. Now that we are registered, I tried to print out the invoice to create a PO to pay for it. Well, the system doesnt do it anymore! I called FIRST and they asked for my info so that they could manually send it.:confused:

[SenorZ]

Wish I could say "That was fun!" but it wasn't.

Logged in no problem. Clicked "Register" for my regional, and then got no response.

Tried reloading, got server error stuff for half and hour. Finally re-logged in and it said I was registered!

Evidently it began the registration process, and picked up after whatever reboot happened.

[Liam Fay]

This is missing most of the week 5 events (if anyone can send or post that week periodically), but of the others...

910 Regional teams, plus whatever the other week 5 events have, have registered and been accepted into an event as of 3:30pm
Thats more than the number of District teams that had registered by 9am this morning (878).

At 0 capacity:
Lake Superior
Los Angeles
Mexico City (never had more than 0 capacity listed)
Minnesota 10000 Lakes
Minnesota North Star
New York City
SBPLI Long Island
Seven Rivers (never had more than 0 capacity listed)
St. Louis

In the single digits:
Montreal - 8
Pittsburgh - 3
Miami Valley - 5
New York Tech Valley - 8
Northern Lights - 3
San Diego - 1
Shenzhen - 4

Exciting to see San Diego filling up this quickly! We'll see everyone there.

[Mark McLeod]

Mark
Where do you look for that info?
I'm taking the TIMS info for current regional remaining capacity.
Arens list still gives the event starting capacities.
Adding gives number of Regional teams registered less several week 5 events which I can't see in TIMS.

[Golfer4646]

Mark
Where do you look for that info?

The team and event search on the old USFIRST site seems to be working for me.
http://archive.usfirst.org/whats-going-on

It is not ideal but allows for manual look-ups of information.

[Mark McLeod]

1084 Regional teams + 878 District teams = 1962

If there is any action in the District events I can't see that too easily.

At 0 capacity:
Lake Superior
Los Angeles
Mexico City (never had more than 0 capacity listed)
Minnesota 10000 Lakes
Minnesota North Star
New York City
SBPLI Long Island
Seven Rivers (never had more than 0 capacity listed)
St. Louis
San Diego


In the single digits:
Alamo - 6
Arizona West - 9
Montreal - 6
Pittsburgh - 2
Miami Valley - 5
New York Tech Valley - 7
Northern Lights - 1
Shenzhen - 4
Silicon Valley - 6

[bdaroz]

As it's all-but-set-in-stone we're a one-regional team this year it's kinda fun to armchair quarterback this year's registration....

I'm very surprised to see HVR with only 5 teams, and most of those are TVR-local teams. (Even with NYC and LI full.) At the same time TVR is at 14 teams with 7 left open (and a holdback of at most 15 more).

TVR will play host to 3390 from Turkey, and 4083 from South Carolina, so far.

There are a few more TVR-local teams that have not registered yet, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

[cpapplefamily]

I know the Minnesota events only open just over half of the expected spots and waiting lists the remainder.

[Kevin Leonard]

As it's all-but-set-in-stone we're a one-regional team this year it's kinda fun to armchair quarterback this year's registration....

I'm very surprised to see HVR with only 5 teams, and most of those are TVR-local teams. (Even with NYC and LI full.) At the same time TVR is at 14 teams with 7 left open (and a holdback of at most 15 more).

TVR will play host to 3390 from Turkey, and 4083 from South Carolina, so far.

There are a few more TVR-local teams that have not registered yet, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Yeah these numbers have surprised me. I expected TVR to have tons of space and HVR to have none, but I'm sure most downstate teams that would attend HVR as their second were making sure to get into NYC or LI first, so it makes sense.

5254 managed to get signed up for SBPLI Long Island, although I'm disappointed to see 229 didn't get in. It would have been nice to see any of our 2016 alliance partners at a regional, but oh well.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Yeah these numbers have surprised me. I expected TVR to have tons of space and HVR to have none, but I'm sure most downstate teams that would attend HVR as their second were making sure to get into NYC or LI first, so it makes sense.

5254 managed to get signed up for SBPLI Long Island, although I'm disappointed to see 229 didn't get in. It would have been nice to see any of our 2016 alliance partners at a regional, but oh well.

Trust me we would've loved to join you there.

[Mark McLeod]

I took into account all events (District as well as Regionals) and came up with 2089 teams assigned to specific events as of 9 pm.
This doesn't take into account any waitlisted teams at any of the filled events, of which there are 10.
If FIRST publishes totals those typically include the waitlisted teams, too.

[SenorZ]

The team and event search on the old USFIRST site seems to be working for me.
http://archive.usfirst.org/whats-going-on

It is not ideal but allows for manual look-ups of information.

According to that site, Team 511 - The Robodox, are registered for Los Angeles.

Robodox are Team 599. Wonder if there are any other oddities on the reg site.

[Christopher149]

According to that site, Team 511 - The Robodox, are registered for Los Angeles.

Robodox are Team 599. Wonder if there are any other oddities on the reg site.

Did they split into 2 teams?

[EricH]

Did they split into 2 teams?
Not to my knowledge. They sure acted like 1 team at the Fall Classic a couple weeks back from what I could see.

[Rachel Lim]

According to that site, Team 511 - The Robodox, are registered for Los Angeles.

Robodox are Team 599. Wonder if there are any other oddities on the reg site.

This appears to be fixed: 599 is now registered for Ventura, and I don't see 511 anywhere.



And quick summary of registered teams at CA regionals, as of 10:50pm using the old site (registered/total (open)):
San Diego: 50/50 (0)
Central Valley: 5/38 (33)
Ventura: 16/32 (16)
San Francisco: 12/32 (20)
Sacramento: 24/50 (26)
Los Angeles: 50/50 (0)
Silicon Valley: 50/50 (0)
Orange County: 26/38 (12)

Open spots (norcal): 79
Open spots (socal): 28
Total open spots: 107

Filled spots (norcal): 91
Filled spots (socal): 142
Total filled spots: 233

Total spots (norcal): 170
Total spots (socal): 170
Total spots: 340

Number of CA teams in 2016: 258

[Mark McLeod]

2143 teams are listed at events

At 0 capacity:
Lake Superior
Los Angeles
Mexico City (never had more than 0 capacity listed)
Minnesota 10000 Lakes
Minnesota North Star
New York City
SBPLI Long Island
Seven Rivers (never had more than 0 capacity listed)
St. Louis
San Diego
Silicon Valley
ONT Waterloo
NE Granite State
NE WPI


In the single digits:
Alamo - 1
Arizona West - 7
Greater Kansas City - 7
Montreal - 3
Pittsburgh - 1
Miami Valley - 5
New York Tech Valley - 7
Northern Lights - 1
Shenzhen - 4
ONT Ryerson Univ. - 6
NC Raleigh - 9
NC Greensboro - 7
MAR Mt. Olive - 6
MAR Hatboro-Horsham - 1
FIM Traverse City - 4
FIM Midland - 5
FIM Kettering #1 - 4 (#2 didn't seem to be open as a home event)
CHS Greater DC - 5

[Alpha Beta]

In the single digits:
...


Greater Kansas City down to 7 slots left before we get to the waitlist.

43 of 50 open slots already taken (http://archive.usfirst.org/whats-going-on/event/22499/teams?page=1&ProgramCode=FRC).


Looking forward to seeing our friends from 624.
Hoping a slot sticks around for 1806 to play in their home regional. Good luck in Minnesota (http://archive.usfirst.org/whats-going-on/event/22551/teams?ProgramCode=FRC).
Noticed that 1710 appears to not be playing in KC for the 2nd year in a row. (Not their normal pattern) Always a Chairman's contender wherever they go.
1939 venturing out to the St. Louis (http://archive.usfirst.org/whats-going-on/event/22475/teams?ProgramCode=FRC) side of the state.

[smistthegreat]

API appears to be working again.

[Hallry]

Am I crazy or did the Laguna Regional switch from Week 1 to Week 4?

[Brian Maher]

Am I crazy or did the Laguna Regional switch from Week 1 to Week 4?

I'm not saying you aren't crazy but that's correct. (https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1605629&postcount=182)

[slickvic2252]

how do you see what teams are registered for what event?

[alectronic]

how do you see what teams are registered for what event?

frc-events.firstinspires.org (http://frc-events.firstinspires.org/) is one way

[cadandcookies]

frc-events.firstinspires.org (http://frc-events.firstinspires.org/) is one way

Wow, that is actually pretty good. Something to actually like about the new FIRST website.

[Brian Maher]

how do you see what teams are registered for what event?


frc-events.firstinspires.org (http://frc-events.firstinspires.org/) is one way

Here (http://archive.usfirst.org/whats-going-on) are a (http://frclinks.com/) few more (173.255.246.196/2017/).

[Mark McLeod]

Here's a plot of the first few days of registration in comparison to previous years.
This year is a different shape because of the split District/Regional registration starts, and the lack of dependable total team counts for the first 36 hours of Regional registration.

It's looking like a pretty good year for FRC teams overall, 2017 early registration was up ~25% over 2016 numbers.
District team starting registration alone was better than all 2012 starting registration (Districts + Regionals).

[Jon Stratis]

I always love seeing those graphs, Mark... But with registration starting 2 weeks later this year because of the server issues, should we still show them all starting at the same time? My thinking is that the extra two weeks meant more teams had started up for the fall, figured out their finances, gotten grants, etc than we normally have on day 1, so it may not be a fair comparison to previous years. And looking forward to next year, it may make next year's start up look slow for the first couple of weeks.

[Mark McLeod]

A valid point. Things are really skewed this year.

So using actual dates 2017 is behind 2016 by about 7% as of this morning 9am.

Oct 10, 2016 = 2507
Oct 10, 2017 = 2327


P.S.
My rookie team from last year still isn't registered because replacing the second coach is taking a long time.
And our local event is full...and I mean completely full...

[Richard Wallace]

I always love seeing those graphs, Mark... But with registration starting 2 weeks later this year because of the server issues, should we still show them all starting at the same time? My thinking is that the extra two weeks meant more teams had started up for the fall, figured out their finances, gotten grants, etc than we normally have on day 1, so it may not be a fair comparison to previous years. ....

Jon's point is valid, of course. However, I expect it can be addressed by annotation of the graph, as Mark has done previously (https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20206&d=1456538053), to indicate how key dates shift year-to-year.

[Mark McLeod]

Events that are on waitlist status:

Northern Lights Regional
Lake Superior Regional
San Diego Regional
St. Louis Regional
Greater Pittsburgh Regional
Los Angeles Regional
Silicon Valley Regional
SBPLI Long Island Regional
Minnesota North Star Regional
Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional
Alamo Regional
New York City Regional
Seven Rivers Regional
Mexico City Regional
NE District - Granite State Event
NE District - WPI Event
ONT District - University of Waterloo Event


Single digit events:
1 - Shenzhen Regional
1 - Orlando Regional
1 - FIM District - Kettering University Event #1
1 - MAR District - Hatboro-Horsham Event
2 - Miami Valley Regional
3 - Festival de Robotique - Montreal Regional
3 - FIM District - Traverse City Event
4 - Greater Kansas City Regional
4 - Arizona West Regional
4 - CHS District - Greater DC Event
4 - FIM District - Midland Event
4 - MAR District - Mount Olive Event
5 - New York Tech Valley Regional
6 - NC District - Greensboro Event
6 - ONT District - Ryerson University Event
8 - FIM District - West Michigan Event
8 - PNW District - Glacier Peak Event
8 - PNW District - Lake Oswego Event
9 - NC District - Raleigh Event

[Mark McLeod]

16 countries
Here are where the event registered teams are from:

261 ----- MI
220 ----- CA
129 ----- Canada-ON
125 ----- NY
122 ----- MN
88 ----- TX
85 ----- WA
68 ----- NJ
65 ----- VA
61 ----- PA
60 ----- MA
54 ----- MO
54 ----- OH
53 ----- FL
51 ----- GA
49 ----- IL
48 ----- NC
47 ----- WI
47 ----- China
46 ----- CT
46 ----- IN
42 ----- OK
40 ----- AZ
35 ----- OR
35 ----- Canada-QC
33 ----- MD
30 ----- SC
26 ----- NH
25 ----- ME
24 ----- Turkey
22 ----- TN
21 ----- CO
18 ----- IA
18 ----- KS
18 ----- Australia
16 ----- LA
15 ----- HI
14 ----- Mexico
11 ----- UT
9 ----- AR
8 ----- AL
8 ----- ID
8 ----- KY
8 ----- NV
8 ----- Canada-AB
7 ----- DC
6 ----- Canada-BC
5 ----- MS
5 ----- RI
5 ----- Brazil
4 ----- VT
3 ----- DE
3 ----- WV
2 ----- ND
2 ----- NE
2 ----- NM
2 ----- WY
2 ----- Chile
2 ----- Netherlands
2 ----- United Kingdom
1 ----- AK
1 ----- MT
1 ----- SD
1 ----- Canada-SK
1 ----- Colombia
1 ----- France
1 ----- Germany
1 ----- Singapore
1 ----- Switzerland
1 ----- Taiwan

[lynca]

47 ----- China
24 ----- Turkey
18 ----- Australia
14 ----- Mexico
5 ----- Brazil
2 ----- Chile
2 ----- Netherlands
2 ----- United Kingdom
1 ----- Colombia
1 ----- France
1 ----- Germany
1 ----- Singapore
1 ----- Switzerland
1 ----- Taiwan

Awesome list Mark ! China is growing fast !
Shenzen regional is roughly 50% rookies.

[vhcook]

Awesome list Mark ! China is growing fast !
Shenzen regional is roughly 50% rookies.

Lots of growth in Turkey too.

[Richard Wallace]

Awesome list Mark ! China is growing fast !
Shenzen regional is roughly 50% rookies.

Lots of growth in Turkey too.

Quebec is growing also. I wonder how many years until they go District?

Which will be the first District with a main language other than English?

[Bluman56]

Quebec is growing also. I wonder how many years until they go District?

Which will be the first District with a main language other than English?

Israel?

[smistthegreat]

Here's a plot of the first few days of registration in comparison to previous years.
This year is a different shape because of the split District/Regional registration starts, and the lack of dependable total team counts for the first 36 hours of Regional registration.

It's looking like a pretty good year for FRC teams overall, 2017 early registration was up ~25% over 2016 numbers.
District team starting registration alone was better than all 2012 starting registration (Districts + Regionals).

Mark, where do you get your data for registration over time from past years? I've only been able to find yearly totals.

[Jon Stratis]

Mark, where do you get your data for registration over time from past years? I've only been able to find yearly totals.

He gets it from "Rookie year: 2002". I believe he's been actively collecting this data and saving it locally, not relying on an outside resource (Like FIRST) to provide the historical information.

[Caleb Sykes]

Quebec is growing also. I wonder how many years until they go District?

Which will be the first District with a main language other than English?

Spanish might be the main language in California before they become a district. ;)

[EricH]

Israel?
I think we have a winner. Israel's official languages are Hebrew and Arabic, with Hebrew as the primary.

[Richard Wallace]

I think we have a winner. Israel's official languages are Hebrew and Arabic, with Hebrew as the primary.

Doh!

:o


I forgot Israel has already taken the plunge. Didn't see anything here about it for the last month or so, and Mark's list doesn't have Israel (yet) due to registration timing.

[Mark McLeod]

Mark, where do you get your data for registration over time from past years? I've only been able to find yearly totals.

He gets it from "Rookie year: 2002". I believe he's been actively collecting this data and saving it locally, not relying on an outside resource (Like FIRST) to provide the historical information.

Yea, I was saving and comparing records for a few years before I found out others might be interested, too.
http://www.team358.org/files/frc_records/index.php

[Mark McLeod]

2400 teams are registered
Here's a plot of the portion of FRC comprised of non-US based teams over the past five seasons.

[cgmv123]

Second Event Registration for MI and PNW teams will open 1 hour early.

The second District Event registration timeline will be as follows on Thursday, 10/13:

11:00 am-11:45 am Eastern Time: Second District Event registration will open for MI and PNW teams only. Events for all other District Teams will not be visible during this time.
11:45 am- 12:00 pm (noon) Eastern Time: MI and PNW registration closes temporarily, but District Events for all District Teams become visible in the system once again.
12:00 pm (noon) Eastern Time: All District Teams can register for their second District Events.
Regional Teams will be able to register for their second Regional Events on Thursday, 10/20 at 12:00 pm (noon) Eastern Time.

[MaGiC_PiKaChU]

Quebec is growing also. I wonder how many years until they go District?

Which will be the first District with a main language other than English?

How many years before we get a 2nd regional? seriously we are only attending one this year because Ontario is no longer an option :(

[Kevin Leonard]

How many years before we get a 2nd regional? seriously we are only attending one this year because Ontario is no longer an option :(

That stinks! I assumed 3360 would try to make the trip down to the Tech Valley Regional with 3990 at least.

When NE went districts, that's when the Tech Valley Regional started, as we could no longer go into New England from the Albany area. It's unfortunate that didn't happen with Montreal.

[Mark McLeod]

2468 = today's team count

Including:

13 resurrected veteran teams (the longest missing last played 6 years ago)
18 new "veteran" teams
156 rookie teams


27% of last season's teams (851) have not been heard from yet (not unusual).

[sanddrag]

27% of last season's teams (851) have not been heard from yet (not unusual).Wow. That's somewhat startling. 1/4 of teams don't show up for initial registration opening. I never knew that.

Do you have any stats on percentage of last year's rookies that have not yet shown up for year 2?

[Mark McLeod]

Do you have any stats on percentage of last year's rookies that have not yet shown up for year 2?
~42% of 2nd year teams (last season's rookies) have not signed up for an event yet (167).

and in case you were going to ask ...

Last year at this time (given that this year's registration is a bit wonky)
~46% of 2nd year teams had not registered.

I think they are still slow starters.
My own local 2nd year team is still trying to get a new Alternate Contact & YPP in order to get registered.

Wow. That's somewhat startling. 1/4 of teams don't show up for initial registration opening. I never knew that.
Remember that between 9% and 6% will not return this season and that means <20% of teams that are actually planning to return haven't been heard from.

[jwfoss]

2468 = today's team count

Including:

13 resurrected veteran teams (the longest missing last played 6 years ago)
18 new "veteran" teams
156 rookie teams


27% of last season's teams (851) have not been heard from yet (not unusual).

Hey Mark, can you give us the list of resurrected vets and where the new vets are from? Thanks.

[Mark McLeod]

New vets:
Cupertino, CA 299
Granada Hills, CA 511
Middlesex, NJ 747
Kingsville, ON Canada 748
Oakville, ON Canada 1374
Kingston, ON Canada 2708
Marysville, OH 3888
Shenzhen, China 5833
Washington, DC USA 6238
Falls Church, VA USA 6239
Toronto, ON Canada 6240
Durham, NC USA 6241
Seattle, WA USA 6242
Monterrey , NLE Mexico 6243
Reese, MI USA 6244
Orange, CA USA 6245
La Porte City, IA USA 6246
Raleigh, NC USA 6248


Resurrected vets
Last played 2yr ago:
Toronto, ON, Canada 907
Richmond, KS 938
Kanata, ON 2994
Travelers Rest, SC 3651
Mississauga, ON 4777
Upland, CA 5107
Beijing, China 5451
Ottawa, ON 5652

3 yr:
Wanaque, NJ 265
Canoga Park, CA 3851
Honolulu, HI 4270

4 yr:
Beaverton, OR 2898

6 yr:
Lutherville Timonium, MD 1727

[Foster]

Resurrected vets
6 yr:
Lutherville Timonium, MD 1727

Yay, REX is back!!! Very cool

[bobbysq]

Resurrected vets


For a while it appeared that 6330 (https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/6330) was a revival of 2625 (https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/2625), being named "2625 - Arc Angels", but they seem to have changed their team name after realizing that they didn't get their old number.

[MARS_James]

For a while it appeared that 6330 (https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/6330) was a revival of 2625 (https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/2625), being named "2625 - Arc Angels", but they seem to have changed their team name after realizing that they didn't get their old number.

They probably met the criteria for a Rookie Team instead of a returning veteran team. Honestly if I was in their shoes I would rather come in as a rookie then a veteran especially in a district system when I get +10 points just for existing.

[Allison K]

Hrm. The reserve capacity for all FiM districts was just increased significantly, taking the open capacity for almost all events down by a few spots. Southfield went from having 10 reserve to 19 reserve. Midland and Traverse City both went from single open to zero, West Michigan went from eight open to one, and Center Line went from 11 open to zero.

That changes our plans a bit.

[angelah]

Anyone else have issues with FIM registration? That was thoroughly frustrating, tbh.

[Mr MOE]

Second district event registration that opened at noon EST today went very smoothly for me. MOE 365 registered for the MAR Seneca event.

I wanted to share as positive feedback to FIRST from my perspective.

Thanks!

[ebmonon36]

Very smooth for us as well. In and out in under a minute. 1018 will be attending Perry Meridian and Tippecanoe.

[Christopher149]

Anyone else have issues with FIM registration? That was thoroughly frustrating, tbh.

Did the event(s) fill up on you? It seems that several filled to their (low) capacity, whereas ones like LSSU still have 7 (or is it 5?) slots open.

[Mark McLeod]

2546 teams
A large jump (60) from the home system Districts as teams got into their events.

[Mark McLeod]

These are the places that are still missing veterans from last season:
#Missing
82 ---- MI
73 ---- MN
62 ---- Israel (new District hasn't begun registering teams)
55 ---- TX
41 ---- CA
39 ---- Mexico
26 ---- NY
25 ---- Canada-ON
23 ---- Australia
18 ---- FL
17 ---- GA
17 ---- LA
17 ---- WA
16 ---- MO
15 ---- China
15 ---- VA
14 ---- AZ
13 ---- Canada-AB
13 ---- CO
13 ---- SC
13 ---- TN
9 ----- HI
9 ----- MA
9 ----- MD
9 ----- UT
8 ----- IL
8 ----- NJ
8 ----- Turkey
7 ----- AR
7 ----- Canada-QC
7 ----- ID
7 ----- OK
7 ----- PA
5 ----- NC
5 ----- NH
4 ----- AL
4 ----- DC
4 ----- KY
4 ----- MS
4 ----- OH
3 ----- IN
3 ----- KS
3 ----- NM
2 ----- CT
2 ----- Dominican Republic
2 ----- Japan
2 ----- OR
2 ----- Taiwan
2 ----- WI
2 ----- WY
1 ----- Australia
1 ----- Bosnia-Herzegovina
1 ----- Brazil
1 ----- Canada-AB
1 ----- Canada-SK
1 ----- Czech Republic
1 ----- DE
1 ----- Denmark
1 ----- Ecuador
1 ----- IA
1 ----- India
1 ----- MT
1 ----- ND
1 ----- NV
1 ----- Poland
1 ----- PR
1 ----- RI
1 ----- SD
1 ----- United Kingdom
1 ----- WV

[Daler99]

5813 registered for Southern NH at 12:01! ;) At 12:03, SNH was full. :P

[Zebra_Fact_Man]

They probably met the criteria for a Rookie Team instead of a returning veteran team. Honestly if I was in their shoes I would rather come in as a rookie then a veteran especially in a district system when I get +10 points just for existing.

Idk man. Having a low number is definitely a plus for pick lists. The perception of experience is almost as powerful as the experience itself. Plus that +10 pts goes away in full in only 2 years. Whereas you keep the number indefinitely.

[Mark McLeod]

Registration is up about 3% over last year at this point in registration.

Here are two three revised registration progression plots of the delayed opening.
The first just jumps (pretty much a straight line) from the morning after the late registration opening to corresponding surge markers that are present every year.
The second is the more accurate one that simply slides the opening day as Jon suggested earlier. Just plotting the actual delayed date looks better, but makes it harder to see the correlation between that day-early District arc and the 2012 regular arc.
The third uses the real dates for registration who's start dates spread over a couple of weeks in the past decade. Mile-marker events such as 2nd District opening and unrestricted Regionals, even US holidays are uncorrelated giving subsequent years a slanted look. It's most noticeable between the light green 2016 line (earliest registration ever opened) and the white 2017 plot (latest it ever opened).

The first plot variation better compares the fast fingers on the first day, while still correlating with the standard markers (where the surges are every year), such as the 2nd District event registration day where a lot of MI teams come out of hiding.

See if this is understandable and give me your preference.
I played with stretching the interpolation, but that didn't look much different than a straight line.

[Jon Stratis]

Ok, I've rewritten this like 5 times, I keep going back and forth.

The first one could be a useful comparison next year with the new preference system Frank has talked about in the blog - does the introduction of a new system for initial event registration significantly change how registration goes? But at the same time, I feel like it probably overstates what would have happened if registration proceeded normally this year, and could lead to false conclusions.

The second one I like for the simple fact that it represents reality. It shows that, despite being a week late, the initial surge "made up" for that lost week of registration immediately.

Looking at these graphs today, I was struck with a burning desire to see a third graph (or a third and fourth), one showing the difference, day to day, in registrations between years. So one line that shows (2017-2016), another for (2016-2015), etc. each day as registration proceeds. Does that difference generally stay the same? Does it increase at a predictable rate? Are there sudden surges some years that we can't explain? And, perhaps most appropriately, how does it show the difference between this year and last year?

[Mark McLeod]

The second plot is not actually reality either, so you may want to see a fully uncorrected plot.

Opening day in the 2000's up until about 2014 was typically halfway between this year's delayed opening and last year's opening. That's why I've been using Oct 3 as a normalized starting point for past years.

[tr6scott]

These are the places that are still missing veterans from last season:
#Missing
82 ---- MI


I got 88 teams in what I track. . .

68 Truck Town Thunder
201 The FEDS
894 Chargers
1940 The Tech Tigers
2224 RoboPhoenix
2586 Copper Bots
2591 RedTails
2676 Ecorse Robo Raiders
3302 TurboTrojans
3509 Team Fallout
3548 RoboRavens2
3619 Black Hawks
3773 Cobalt Commanders
3886 More Titans
4380 Dynomite
4758 RoboBlazers
4811 Majestic Alpacas
4827 Minerbotics
4840 The Bairs
4854 Trobots
4995 Rockets
5008 (robo)LIONS
5014 Wildcats
5017 Flaming Tortoises
5068 The Outsiders
5084 Password
5214 The Mighty CavBots
5215 Steagles
5224 Panther Power
5225 Shamrocks
5226 Titanium Tigers
5233 Golden Eagles
5239 Product Pioneers
5246 Indians
5251 WAYbots
5255 Terrific Tigers
5314 Hi Tecs
5316 The Architects
5473 Aviators Robotics
5478 Pershing Doughbots
5527 Phoenix
5531 Orange Crush
5533 Mustangtronics
5547 The Talons
5555 Fitzgerald Spartans
5574 Big Bot Theory
5575 Loggers
5619 Jaguars
5622 Green Hornets
5650 Cougars
5674 Greyhounds
5685 Robo Terriers
5692 Cheboygan Chiefs Robotics Team
5694 Hamady Hawks
5697 Bearcats
5702 Team eagles
5703 Eagles
5704 Blended Learning Academies
5706 Bears
5711 Bathers
5745 Mustangs
5774 Heroes Alliance Flint
5853 The Gators
5989 Ewen-Trout Creek Consolidated School
6011 Sturgis High School
6013 ZF-TRW & Cornerstone Health+Technology High School
6031 Pentwater Public School
6057 Edsel Ford High School
6074 Roscommon High School & Roscommon High School
6080 A.D. Johnston Jr/Sr High School
6089 Annapolis High School
6091 Deckerville Community High School
6096 University Preparatory Science and Math (Psad) Hig
6098 Beaver Island Community School
6099 Osborn College Preparatory Academy
6100 Morley Stanwood High School
6102 Montabella Junior/Senior High
6108 Clintondale High School
6115 Grand Rapids Ellington Academy of Arts & Technology
6117 Pontiac Academy for Excellence
6119 Pansophia Academy
6128 Hart High School
6136 Old Redford Academy - High
6137 Constantine High School
6138 Centreville High School
6151 Luther L. Wright High School
6190 Canton Preparatory High School
6208 Portage Central High School

[Mark McLeod]

Some of the teams on your list, for example 3509, didn't play last year (or in 2015 either) that I can see.
I'm only counting teams who played last season.

From your list 3509, 4995, 5233, 6031, 6080, 6115, 6151 didn't play last season

5525 should be on your list but isn't (they played last year but aren't on an event list yet for this season).

[MARS_James]

These are the places that are still missing veterans from last season:
#Missing
82 ---- MI
73 ---- MN
62 ---- Israel (new District hasn't begun registering teams)
55 ---- TX
41 ---- CA
39 ---- Mexico
26 ---- NY
25 ---- Canada-ON
23 ---- Australia
18 ---- FL
17 ---- GA
17 ---- LA
17 ---- WA
16 ---- MO
15 ---- China
15 ---- VA
14 ---- AZ
13 ---- Canada-AB
13 ---- CO
13 ---- SC
13 ---- TN
9 ----- HI
9 ----- MA
9 ----- MD
9 ----- UT
8 ----- IL
8 ----- NJ
8 ----- Turkey
7 ----- AR
7 ----- Canada-QC
7 ----- ID
7 ----- OK
7 ----- PA
5 ----- NC
5 ----- NH
4 ----- AL
4 ----- DC
4 ----- KY
4 ----- MS
4 ----- OH
3 ----- IN
3 ----- KS
3 ----- NM
2 ----- CT
2 ----- Dominican Republic
2 ----- Japan
2 ----- OR
2 ----- Taiwan
2 ----- WI
2 ----- WY
1 ----- Australia
1 ----- Bosnia-Herzegovina
1 ----- Brazil
1 ----- Canada-AB
1 ----- Canada-SK
1 ----- Czech Republic
1 ----- DE
1 ----- Denmark
1 ----- Ecuador
1 ----- IA
1 ----- India
1 ----- MT
1 ----- ND
1 ----- NV
1 ----- Poland
1 ----- PR
1 ----- RI
1 ----- SD
1 ----- United Kingdom
1 ----- WV

I would be interested if someone with more time or access to the data could sort this by percentage of last year's teams for each area just to see how much these missing teams are for each area

[Mark McLeod]

There may be some minor % errors because my spreadsheet crashed while I was doing this.

%Missing - #Missing
2.6% ------ 1 ----- Australia
100.0% ---- 1 ----- Bosnia-Herzegovina
16.7% ----- 1 ----- Brazil
4.8% ------ 1 ----- Canada-AB
100.0% ---- 1 ----- Canada-SK
100.0% ---- 1 ----- Czech Republic
25.0% ----- 1 ----- DE
100.0% ---- 1 ----- Denmark
100.0% ---- 1 ----- Ecuador
10.0% ----- 1 ----- IA
100.0% ---- 1 ----- India
100.0% ---- 1 ----- MT
33.3% ----- 1 ----- ND
11.1% ----- 1 ----- NV
100.0% ---- 1 ----- Poland
100.0% ---- 1 ----- PR
16.7% ----- 1 ----- RI
50.0% ----- 1 ----- SD
33.3% ----- 1 ----- United Kingdom
25.0% ----- 1 ----- WV
4.2% ------ 2 ----- CT
100.0% ---- 2 ----- Dominican Republic
100.0% ---- 2 ----- Japan
4.7% ------ 2 ----- OR
66.7% ----- 2 ----- Taiwan
4.2% ------ 2 ----- WI
50.0% ----- 2 ----- WY
6.1% ------ 3 ----- IN
13.6% ----- 3 ----- KS
60.0% ----- 3 ----- NM
33.3% ----- 4 ----- AL
30.8% ----- 4 ----- DC
30.8% ----- 4 ----- KY
44.4% ----- 4 ----- MS
6.9% ------ 4 ----- OH
9.6% ------ 5 ----- NC
15.2% ----- 5 ----- NH
41.2% ----- 7 ----- AR
15.6% ----- 7 ----- Canada-QC
46.7% ----- 7 ----- ID
13.7% ----- 7 ----- OK
10.1% ----- 7 ----- PA
13.3% ----- 8 ----- IL
10.5% ----- 8 ----- NJ
40.0% ----- 8 ----- Turkey
34.6% ----- 9 ----- HI
13.2% ----- 9 ----- MA
22.0% ----- 9 ----- MD
42.9% ----- 9 ----- UT
61.9% ----- 13 ----- Canada-AB
36.1% ----- 13 ----- CO
30.2% ----- 13 ----- SC
38.2% ----- 13 ----- TN
27.5% ----- 14 ----- AZ
44.1% ----- 15 ----- China
19.2% ----- 15 ----- VA
21.9% ----- 16 ----- MO
25.4% ----- 17 ----- GA
50.0% ----- 17 ----- LA
14.9% ----- 17 ----- WA
25.7% ----- 18 ----- FL
59.0% ----- 23 ----- Australia
18.1% ----- 25 ----- Canada-ON
17.3% ----- 26 ----- NY
73.6% ----- 39 ----- Mexico
15.8% ----- 41 ----- CA
38.7% ----- 55 ----- TX
100.0% ---- 62 ----- Israel
35.1% ----- 73 ----- MN
19.9% ----- 82 ----- MI

[Mark McLeod]

For comparison I added a new registration plot to post 117 (https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1611774&postcount=117) that is unadulterated and uses only the true dates rather than matching mile markers such as registration start or 2nd District opening.

[Mark McLeod]

Passed 2600 teams. 83% of last seasons total teams.

[Mark McLeod]

Just had a slew (slew~50) join this morning from Minnesota taking a bunch off their waitlists.

We've also had large groups of rookies scattered over events The biggest groups were 16 from Turkey and 18 in China.

[guniv]

I noticed the Turkey teams have already registered for two regionals. 6384 and 6435 are both registered for South Florida and Miami Valley.

Upon looking further, the other Turkey teams (who all seem to be from Istanbul) are not registered for two.

[D.Allred]

Mark,
Palmetto initial registration of 29 to date seems much lower than I remembered from this time last year. Thought we were greater than 40 after first registration and at capacity after second registration.

Do you have that data?

David

[Mark McLeod]

I noticed the Turkey teams have already registered for two regionals. 6384 and 6435 are both registered for South Florida and Miami Valley.

Upon looking further, the other Turkey teams (who all seem to be from Istanbul) are not registered for two.
Could you have seen them as they were changing events in the FIRST database?
I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

The Turkish teams are spread over 14 Regionals with the most concentrated (5) being at South Florida.
I don't see any registered for more than one event.

[guniv]

Could you have seen them as they were changing events in the FIRST database?
I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

The Turkish teams are spread over 14 Regionals with the most concentrated (5) being at South Florida.
I don't see any registered for more than one event.

I'm not sure. I'm looking at The Blue Alliance. I guess it's possible TBA may have cached it wrong.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/6384/2017 & http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/6435/2017

Yeah, looking at the official team pages, I guess that must have been what happened. Weird.

[bdaroz]

Looks like TBA is out of date as 6384 is registered for Miami Valley (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=number&year=2017&event=ohsp) but not South Florida (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=number&year=2017&event=flwp) and 6435 vice versa.

[Mark McLeod]

Mark,
Palmetto initial registration of 29 to date seems much lower than I remembered from this time last year. Thought we were greater than 40 after first registration and at capacity after second registration.

Do you have that data?

David
One off

30 on Oct 17. 2015
29 on Oct 17. 2016
Here's a plot of Palmetto registration last year vs this year.
I kept the month/day but changed the 2016 year to 2015 just for the plot.

[plnyyanks]

Looks like TBA is out of date as 6384 is registered for Miami Valley (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=number&year=2017&event=ohsp) but not South Florida (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=number&year=2017&event=flwp) and 6435 vice versa.

I'm not sure. I'm looking at The Blue Alliance. I guess it's possible TBA may have cached it wrong.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/6384/2017 & http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/6435/2017

Yeah, looking at the official team pages, I guess that must have been what happened. Weird.

Yeah, looks like a TBA bug. I'll fix it today.

[bdaroz]

Yeah, looks like a TBA bug. I'll fix it today.

Thanks.. I was going to give it a few hours to let TBA update and make sure it wasn't a recent change before filing it as a bug.

[plnyyanks]

Yeah, looks like a TBA bug. I'll fix it today.

Could you have seen them as they were changing events in the FIRST database?
I'm not seeing what you're seeing.


After some further investigation, this seems like a bug on FIRST's side.

The team listings on frc-events.firstinspires.org for FLWP and OHSP have both teams (6384 and 6435) listed at both events:
https://frc-events.firstinspires.org/2017/FLWP
https://frc-events.firstinspires.org/2017/OHSP

Those pages show to be last modified on Oct 14 and Oct 11, so it seems like the inconsistency has been around for a few days. I'd assume the lasso page Brain linked above is correct since teams haven't registered for second events yet.

This one will probably fix itself tomorrow once more teams register and caches clear on FIRST's side and it propagates to TBA

[Mark McLeod]

2700 teams are registered for events now.

[SenorZ]

Question:
Last year (or the year before) when 2nd event opened, I would see a color code for the events telling me at what level they were available or wait-listed.

Yellow was something like "close to full", orange was "short waitlist", and red was "forget about it, you're not getting a spot."

Is something like that happening this year? I don't want to add our team to the waitlist for an event listed as 0 available if there are 30 other teams doing the same thing.

[sanddrag]

Also, do we have any expectation that any additional capacity will be added for 2nd round registration opening today? Many events are below their attendance level from last year, but I'm wondering if all of those spots are held by the RDs for special entry.

[guniv]

Also, do we have any expectation that any additional capacity will be added for 2nd round registration opening today? Many events are below their attendance level from last year, but I'm wondering if all of those spots are held by the RDs for special entry.

Almost all events are below their actual capacity so that RDs can hold for rookies and then local teams. I've personally confirmed this for Smoky Mountains and a Miami Valley organizer confirmed it in their thread. I'd expect most regionals to have an actual capacity of around 50.

Whether any more are added today, who knows. I would guess no because we'll still see rookies trickling in to register.

[Mark McLeod]

The FIRST API just got turned off for noon 2nd registration.

[Mark McLeod]

An error occurred while processing your request...

Now the event just offers "Waitlist". No grades of coloration related to how deep the waitlist is.
After going on the waitlist, in my team's list of events the term "waitlist" is colored yellow.

[topgun]

Is there a way to see your position on an event's waitlist?

Thanks.

[tobymc]

I got into my event, on wait list. But I don't know how to get on the waitlist for Champs. The recent email from FIRST said:

Veteran Team Championship Waitlist Registration, will open at 12:00 pm (noon) Eastern Time on Thursday, 10/27. We will provide information about how the Championship waitlists will work shortly.

Any clues?

Toby

[bobbysq]

firstinspires.com is running remarkably smoothly right now.

[Mark McLeod]

CMP waitlist registration opens next week.

The waitlist isn't viewable. Give the RD some time then contact them for an idea of your chances.

[sanddrag]

Still working for me.

I got into Arizona West within about 7-8 seconds after opening. When I checked at about 29 seconds, the other spot was gone too. Who is the other lucky winner of the only other available spot at AZ West this morning? Show yourself!

This has really gotten to the point of even timing your breathing and monitoring your pulse. I had my finger positioned on the mouse button, and the cursor over the link, and I was able to achieve the result I was going for. It's exhilarating, but nerve-wracking at the same time. Honestly, had I needed to sneeze at this moment of time, we would likely not be playing in Arizona.

[Anne_droid]

I'm glad I got in before 12:02 pm, because I've never seen Buckeye fill up this fast before. Team 451 is going.

I guess with all of us in the Ohio area getting walled in by districts, there were only 3 options for teams who need to stay local, Miami Valley, Greater Pittsburgh, and Buckeye - and MV and P-burgh are on back-to-back weeks.

[Doug Frisk]

Is there a way to see your position on an event's waitlist?

Thanks.

No, because the RD picks teams off the waitlist based on whatever their particular priorities are. Rookie teams, teams without an existing regional will get priority over teams trying to get into a second regional.

Teams that promise lots of volunteers might get additional priority depending on the event.

You may have been first on the list, doesn't mean a thing about when you'll be first off it.

[rpaulsen]

Woot! Just successfully registered for our second event. Good luck to everyone we will be seeing at NYC and Hudson Valley this year.

[kaliken]

Could anyone verify the dates for the Las Vegas regional?

We initially were planning on coming back to Vegas (last time was 2009!) but once we registered, we noticed that the dates on the registration page were Tues 4/4-Fri 4/7; however, the FIRSTInspires website shows that is Weds 4/5- Sat 4/8. Thanks!

[SpaceOsc]

Could anyone verify the dates for the Las Vegas regional?

We initially were planning on coming back to Vegas (last time was 2009!) but once we registered, we noticed that the dates on the registration page were Tues 4/4-Fri 4/7; however, the FIRSTInspires website shows that is Weds 4/5- Sat 4/8. Thanks!

notice this too, hope its the 5th

[Jay O'Donnell]

We got into the page for Tech valley within the first ten seconds after noon, and it was already on waitlist. Since there were only 19 teams registered before today, I'm assuming it didn't fill up to 36 teams in those ten seconds, and that the capacity was still set to be low for now.

[Mark McLeod]

There were only 3 spots at Tech Valley when we tried to register and error'ed out, so the initial capacity wasn't increased.

[Jay O'Donnell]

There were only 3 spots at Tech Valley when we tried to register and error'ed out, so the initial capacity wasn't increased.

So I assume it's currently set at 22 teams (19 in there before today plus the three open spots) so I would assume that the capacity increase should come soon?

[pfreivald]

There were seventeen spots open for Buckeye at noon. We got one of them at noon + 2s, at which point there were four. Then none at noon + 13 s.

Finger Lakes was our first registration, but I checked it at noon + 17 seconds just to see and it was full, too.

...there has to be a better way of doing this.

[smistthegreat]

I'm glad I got in before 12:02 pm, because I've never seen Buckeye fill up this fast before. Team 451 is going.

I guess with all of us in the Ohio area getting walled in by districts, there were only 3 options for teams who need to stay local, Miami Valley, Greater Pittsburgh, and Buckeye - and MV and P-burgh are on back-to-back weeks.

Another reason for Buckeye filling up is that with Pittsburgh, Finger Lakes, and Tech Valley on the same weekend, Buckeye is by far the best second event for Western New York teams. There are 13 New York teams currently signed up for Buckeye, with many of them signing up for Buckeye as their first event.

[SteveB2977]

Reminder: All teams registering for Seven Rivers are automatically waitlisted. This is due to it being a Week 7 event and manual verification of location.

http://www.firstinspires.org/robotics/frc/blog/week7-events-2017-championship-attendance

[Mark McLeod]

The FIRST API is back online.

[Golfer4646]

And with that, both of the regionals that my team is registered for, (Central Illinois and Iowa) are filled to capacity.

[MARS_James]

Man lots of veteran Florida teams are choosing to go out of state as opposed to running back to back regionals.

Only 59. 233, 385, 1523, 1744, and 3653 are Florida teams registered for both with 4481 taking advantage of the back to back times to come over from the Netherlands.

[Mark McLeod]

Overall Regionals & Districts:

93 events are waitlisted.
18 events are in the single digits
21 events have plenty of space available


The most (publicized) space is available at:
Western Canada Regional - 34 open
NE - Greater Boston event- 21 open
ONT -Windsor Essex Great Lakes event- 12 open
IN - St. Joseph event- 11 open
PCH - Albany event- 11 open
MAR - Bridgewater-Raritan event- 7 open
PNW - West Valley event - 6 open
CHS - Hampton Roads event - 4 open
NC - UNC Asheville event - 3 open

[MARS_James]

Overall Regionals & Districts:

The most (publicized) space is available at:
Western Canada Regional - 34 open
NE - Greater Boston event- 21 open
ONT -Windsor Essex Great Lakes event- 12 open
IN - St. Joseph event- 11 open
PCH - Albany event- 11 open
MAR - Bridgewater-Raritan event- 7 open
PNW - West Valley event - 6 open
CHS - Hampton Roads event - 4 open
NC - UNC Asheville event - 3 open

It took me way longer than I am proud to admit to realize you were going by Most available space for a regional then at each district.

[Mark McLeod]

Made you think :)

[Mark McLeod]

Here are the events most in need of additional teams. In case anyone is undecided.
I'm sure they would love to see you!
These are just the ones that have fewer than the minimum 24 required for playoffs and that are still advertising open capacity, i.e., not waitlisted.

Regionals:
Filled -- Event Name --------------------- Dates
8 ------ Lone Star North Regional ----- 30-Mar - 02-Apr
10 ----- Southern Cross Regional ----- 13-Mar - 15-Mar
12 ----- Idaho Regional ---------------- 29-Mar - 01-Apr
17 ----- Brazos Valley Regional ------- 30-Mar - 02-Apr
18 ----- Lone Star Central Regional -- 15-Mar - 18-Mar
19 ----- Hawaii Regional --------------- 29-Mar - 01-Apr
21 ----- Western Canada Regional ---- 05-Apr - 08-Apr
22 ----- Hub City Regional ------------ 01-Mar - 04-Mar


Districts:
14 ----- NE District - Greater Boston Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar


20 ----- ONT District - Victoria Park Collegiate Event ------ 17-Mar - 19-Mar
21 ----- ONT District - Nipissing University Event ---------- 06-Apr - 08-Apr
22 ----- ONT District - Windsor Essex Great Lakes Event -- 30-Mar - 01-Apr

20 ----- MAR District - Bridgewater-Raritan Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar
23 ----- MAR District - Westtown Event ---------------- 10-Mar - 12-Mar

21 ----- PCH District - Albany Event ----- 23-Mar - 25-Mar

22 ----- NC District - UNC Asheville Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar

23 ----- IN District - St. Joseph Event ----- 10-Mar - 12-Mar

[waialua359]

Here are the events most in need of more teams. In case anyone is undecided.
These are just the ones that have fewer than the minimum 24 required for playoffs.

Regionals:
Filled -- Event Name ------------------------- Dates
8 ------ Lone Star North Regional ----- 30-Mar - 02-Apr
10 ----- Southern Cross Regional ----- 13-Mar - 15-Mar
12 ----- Idaho Regional ----- 29-Mar - 01-Apr
17 ----- Brazos Valley Regional ----- 30-Mar - 02-Apr
18 ----- Lone Star Central Regional ----- 15-Mar - 18-Mar
19 ----- Hawaii Regional ----- 29-Mar - 01-Apr
21 ----- Western Canada Regional ----- 05-Apr - 08-Apr
22 ----- Hub City Regional ----- 01-Mar - 04-Mar


Districts:
14 ----- NE District - Greater Boston Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar


20 ----- ONT District - Victoria Park Collegiate Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar
21 ----- ONT District - Nipissing University Event ----- 06-Apr - 08-Apr
22 ----- ONT District - Windsor Essex Great Lakes Event ----- 30-Mar - 01-Apr

20 ----- MAR District - Bridgewater-Raritan Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar
23 ----- MAR District - Westtown Event ----- 10-Mar - 12-Mar

21 ----- PCH District - Albany Event ----- 23-Mar - 25-Mar

22 ----- NC District - UNC Asheville Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar

23 ----- IN District - St. Joseph Event ----- 10-Mar - 12-Mar

Hawaii will most definitely fill up.
With a great number of teams west of Hawaii from Asia, many international teams end up signing up to attend. We usually sign up for Hawaii last also.
Its been close to a 40 team event in recent years.
The other part is Hawaii teams are so laxed is signing up the minute its available.

[MARS_James]

Hawaii will most definitely fill up.
With a great number of teams west of Hawaii from Asia, many international teams end up signing up to attend. .

I am not sure how many extra will sign up this year from Asia, with China getting it's own regional and two Australian regionals the options for the Asian teams did increase a lot this year.

[Liam Fay]

Las Vegas is looking to be very competitive. So far we have 148, 118, 842, and (assumed) 987. Looks exciting!

:EDIT: And also 1538!

[Cothron Theiss]

Man lots of veteran Florida teams are choosing to go out of state as opposed to running back to back regionals.

I'm excited to see you guys, as well as several other veteran Florida teams at the Smoky Mountains Regional. Unfortunately, it looks like Tennessee's oldest team, 547, is only registered for Rocket City. (I can't blame them, Rocket City is much closer for them than SMR.) But it was very exciting to see some new faces at 2016 SMR, and it looks like we'll see some more this year.

[waialua359]

I am not sure how many extra will sign up this year from Asia, with China getting it's own regional and two Australian regionals the options for the Asian teams did increase a lot this year.
Unofficially, the no. of Australia teams will grow tremendously in the next few years and some of the groups in China have mentioned a goal of 400 teams in the next few years. If there is a country that can do it, China certainly can and will with govt. support.
I would predict that a good no. of teams will still want to come to the Hawaii event.

[TDav540]

Las Vegas is looking to be very competitive. So far we have 148, 118, 842, and (assumed) 987. Looks exciting!

Waterloo 2.0?

[MARS_James]

Las Vegas is looking to be very competitive. So far we have 148, 118, 842, and (assumed) 987. Looks exciting!

Midwest looks amazing as well; 16, 111, 1511, 1592, 1986, 2338, 2451. Plus I imagine some more teams may go in as a third event (1625 has been to every Midwest Regional)

[Greg Needel]

Midwest looks amazing as well; 16, 111, 1511, 1592, 1986, 2338, 2451. Plus I imagine some more teams may go in as a third event (1625 has been to every Midwest Regional)

2848 The All Sparks are happy to attend Midwest this year to play with all these amazing teams :]

[Alpha Beta]

Midwest looks amazing as well...

Did anybody take a peek at Hub City. Plenty of room still to join that party.

[Greg Needel]

Did anybody take a peek at Hub City. Plenty of room still to join that party.

I think you will see some of the Texas regulars add it as their 3rd event.

[BSV]

I think you will see some of the Texas regulars add it as their 3rd event.

Last year it was our first and only event, and nearly everyone else had already played once or twice. This year we are signed up for two regionals for the first time ever (OKC and Dallas).

[Mark McLeod]

2800 teams have been registered for events now.
About 60 teams just today.

[Mark McLeod]

The FIRST team database is acting a bit wacky this morning, so today's results will be spotty.
It recognizes a query session for only 8 seconds total, so if you try to flip through a list of teams you have 8 seconds to reach the end of it.

That's probably going to impact Aren's event summary updates.

P.S.
Seems fine now. I wonder f it was related to the DOS attack yesterday on the server farm in NH.

[Lil' Lavery]

(1625 has been to every Midwest Regional)

Huh?

The Midwest regional celebrated its 20th anniversary last year. 1625 were rookies in 2005, and didn't attend Midwest until 2007.

[Mark McLeod]

Current counts:

2838 teams
16 resurrected vets (longest missing is from Ontario and last played 10 yrs ago)
12 new vets
222 rookie teams
2587 continuing teams
(543 missing vets, a bit more than 17%)
21 Countries


Vietnam and Malaysia now have teams.

Countries with FRC teams last season, but still missing for 2017 are:
Poland, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Denmark, Ecuador, Japan
Also Israel, but Israel hasn't opened their district registration yet.

[Big Ideas]

I worry a bit about what looks like "loosing" twice as many teams as rookies/resurrected teams coming in. This is not explosive growth.

[Lil' Lavery]

I worry a bit about what looks like "loosing" twice as many teams as rookies/resurrected teams coming in. This is not explosive growth.

It's still relatively early. There will be plenty of teams, particularly rookies, to register between now and build season.

[Mark McLeod]

It's about 4.5% better than last season at this time in the registration process.

[Jimmy Nichols]

Miami Valley (MVR) is started to clear the waitlist. We had 7 teams on it.

[MARS_James]

I am hoping we have quite a few Florida teams on the Orlando Waitlist because we are missing 12 teams and only have 5 rookies resulting in a net loss of 7 teams.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Did anybody take a peek at Hub City. Plenty of room still to join that party.

Are you all planning to join the party? That would make Hub City one of the toughest events of the year for sure.

[Alpha Beta]

Are you all planning to join the party? That would make Hub City one of the toughest events of the year for sure.

We're not even sure we're in for a third regional this year, but if we were Hub is one of the few options that would allow us to avoid back to back weekends. Certainly a lot of friends there we'd like to see again.

[Mark McLeod]

We are past the 2900 mark.
16 resurrected vets (longest missing is from Ontario and last played 10 yrs ago)
13 new vets
235 rookie teams
2643 continuing teams
(487 missing vets or 15.6%)Here's a chart to go with that.
You can see how the registration period has been compressed by several weeks this year.

[Mark McLeod]

The week 1 Toluca Regional in Toluca de Lerdo, Mexico is new.

And an event has apparently disappeared from Aren's event listing.
ONT District - Victoria Park Collegiate Event
22 teams are registered for it, so I imagine that it's just a data collection error and the event got pushed off Aren's list by the surprise addition of Toluca.

[bobbysq]

The week 1 Toluca Regional in Toluca de Lerdo, Mexico is new.

I wonder if it has something to do with Mexico City regional still not having a date. Maybe it's a Queen City/Miami Valley issue where this is the replacement regional.

[Hallry]

I wonder if it has something to do with Mexico City regional still not having a date. Maybe it's a Queen City/Miami Valley issue where this is the replacement regional.

Unless I'm missing something, the Mexico City Regional is no longer listed (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?event_type=FRC&year=2017). The Toluca Regional may be a replacement for the Mexico City Regional.

[Aren Siekmeier]

Unless I'm missing something, the Mexico City Regional is no longer listed (https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?event_type=FRC&year=2017). The Toluca Regional may be a replacement for the Mexico City Regional.

Looks like the Toluca Regional is simply the Mexico City Regional, now with the date and venue nailed down, taking place in Toluca in the vicinity of Mexico City.

[Aren Siekmeier]

The week 1 Toluca Regional in Toluca de Lerdo, Mexico is new.

And an event has apparently disappeared from Aren's event listing.
ONT District - Victoria Park Collegiate Event
22 teams are registered for it, so I imagine that it's just a data collection error and the event got pushed off Aren's list by the surprise addition of Toluca.

Victoria Park simply got moved to the top of the district event listing. Sometimes the order of events on FIRST's page is a little scrambled, and my page only reflects that.

Edit: it's back in its normal spot now.

[Jim Wilks]

[QUOTE=Mark McLeod;1613859]16 resurrected vets (longest missing is from Ontario and last played 10 yrs ago)

Is that 1374?

[Mark McLeod]

Just jumped across the 3000 team mark.
South Africa has joined us.
Slews of new Michigan rookies have been showing up on event rosters.

Victoria Park simply got moved to the top of the district event listing. Sometimes the order of events on FIRST's page is a little scrambled, and my page only reflects that.

Edit: it's back in its normal spot now.
I figured I just hadn't looked hard enough.
I later noticed that several other events were also shifted because of the reordering in the immediate aftermath of Mexico City being removed and Toluca being added.
P.S. It hasn't updated past 6am EST this morning.

.16 resurrected vets (longest missing is from Ontario and last played 10 yrs ago)

Is that 1374?
773 - Kingsville CavalGears, Kingsville, ON last played under that team number in 2007

1374 is a new number and I listed them as a new vet in the system.
I haven't looked yet to see where they (and most of the other new vets) might have come from or associated teams they might have been in the past. Maybe I'll start on that today.

[Mark McLeod]

The one team previously registered for Mexico City has now been moved onto the Toluca roster.

At noon the FIRST API was shutdown for open registration.

[Mark McLeod]

South Florida gained the most teams (9) at noon open registration-onto the roster at least. Scattered gains elsewhere.

[ATannahill]

South Florida gained the most teams (9) at noon open registration-onto the roster at least. Scattered gains elsewhere.
Can you share data on districts teams that registered for regionals?

[Brandon Holley]

South Florida gained the most teams (9) at noon open registration-onto the roster at least. Scattered gains elsewhere.

Excited and relieved to contribute to this!

125 is stoked to be heading back down to Florida.

-Brando

[Andrew Schreiber]

Excited and relieved to contribute to this!

125 is stoked to be heading back down to Florida.

-Brando

And 79 is excited to compete with you in Florida again :P

[Mark McLeod]

Can you share data on districts teams that registered for regionals?
This is what I see at a glance:

87 ------- Lone Star Central Regional ----- Mount Holly, NJ
2200 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada
2386 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada
3314 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Clifton, NJ
2016 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Trenton, NJ
2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
141 ------ Arkansas Rock City Regional ----- Holland, MI
5484 ----- South Florida Regional ----- South Bend, IN
125 ------ South Florida Regional ----- Boston, MA
5243 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Centreville, VA

[TDav540]

This is what I see at a glance:

87 ------- Lone Star Central Regional ----- Mount Holly, NJ
2200 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada
2386 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada
3314 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Clifton, NJ
2016 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Trenton, NJ
2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
141 ------ Arkansas Rock City Regional ----- Holland, MI
2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
5484 ----- South Florida Regional ----- South Bend, IN
125 ------ South Florida Regional ----- Boston, MA
5243 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Centreville, VA
4188 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Columbus, GA

Added 4188, going to Huntsville.

[Brian Maher]

87 ------- Lone Star Central Regional ----- Mount Holly, NJ
2200 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada
2386 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada
3314 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Clifton, NJ
2016 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Trenton, NJ
2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
141 ------ Arkansas Rock City Regional ----- Holland, MI
2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
5484 ----- South Florida Regional ----- South Bend, IN
125 ------ South Florida Regional ----- Boston, MA
5243 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Centreville, VA
4188 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Columbus, GA
11 ------- Lone Star Central Regional ----- Flanders, NJ

Added 11 for Lone Star Central.

[Mark McLeod]

2914 is in there twice, sorry.

[MARS_James]

Excited and relieved to contribute to this!

125 is stoked to be heading back down to Florida.

-Brando

Here's hoping we don't have the same unfortunate elimination mishap as we did in 2015

[Owen Busler]

303 got waitlisted to Hudson valley regional. Hope we get in!

[Mark McLeod]

8 to 16 split on pre-qualified teams signed up for Houston vs St Louis Champs.

[Alpha Beta]

8 to 16 split on pre-qualified teams signed up for Houston vs St Louis Champs.

Hmmm... It was 10 to 16 a little earlier today. Did 2 teams unregister for Houston? Thought I saw 254 in the Houston Pool at one point.

[Mark McLeod]

Here are the events still showing inviting open slots, although many other events have hidden room to pull from waitlists:

22 ---- Western Canada Regional
17 ---- ONT District - Windsor Essex Great Lakes Event
13 ---- Idaho Regional
13 ---- NE District - Greater Boston Event
13 ---- ONT District - Nipissing University Event
10 ---- PNW District - West Valley Event
10 ---- PNW District - Mount Vernon Event
8 ----- Arkansas Rock City Regional
8 ----- ONT District - Victoria Park Collegiate Event
6 ----- Arizona North Regional
4 ----- ONT District - Western University, Engineering Event
3 ----- Lone Star North Regional
2 ----- Bayou Regional
2 ----- PNW District - Central Washington University Event
2 ----- PNW District - Lake Oswego Event
2 ----- PNW District - Auburn Event
1 ----- Rocket City Regional
1 ----- NC District - UNC Asheville Event


Another way to look at it is the events that don't have enough teams yet for a full playoff schedule:
18 ----- FIM District - Kettering University Event #2
22 ----- Idaho Regional
22 ----- NE District - Greater Boston Event
22 ----- ONT District - Victoria Park Collegiate Event
22 ----- Laguna Regional
23 ----- ONT District - Nipissing University Event
23 ----- Lone Star North Regional

[Thayer McCollum]

I was wondering at what point does an event (regionals specifically) become too large an get split into two smaller events? What is the biggest regional this year, in terms of attendance? What are the criteria for splitting a regional? I'm wondering because the Denver regional has it's typical 50ish teams registered, which seems to me like a lot compared to other regionals, but it has had this number of attendees for 5+ years. I was just wondering what it might take to create Northern and Southern Colorado Regionals. IMO Colorado would need to produce another 5-10 teams for the 2018 season to potentially have two regionals in 2019 but I am by no means an expert.

[alectronic]

I was wondering at what point does an event (regionals specifically) become too large an get split into two smaller events? What is the biggest regional this year, in terms of attendance?

It's usually somewhere in the 60-64 range (assuming the venue can handle that size) maximum. Beyond that, if the venue can handle more they can do a double event (2 fields, 2 separate events, 1 venue) or do two un-related events, etc.

[EricH]

I was wondering at what point does an event (regionals specifically) become too large an get split into two smaller events? What is the biggest regional this year, in terms of attendance? What are the criteria for splitting a regional? I'm wondering because the Denver regional has it's typical 50ish teams registered, which seems to me like a lot compared to other regionals, but it has had this number of attendees for 5+ years. I was just wondering what it might take to create Northern and Southern Colorado Regionals. IMO Colorado would need to produce another 5-10 teams for the 2018 season to potentially have two regionals in 2019 but I am by no means an expert.
The typical cap is 66 teams--last year, L.A. and San Diego (and SVR, I think) all had that cap, and only the Week 1 in that bunch didn't fill it. That isn't a hard-and-fast cap, but it seems to be "what works the best" in the case of regionals that everybody wants to attend. More teams--even if there's space--will result in even fewer plays (a 66-team event generally runs about 8-9 plays/team in quals), so that's kind of frowned upon. (And some folks make a big deal about how 60+ is too many.)

I would say that the criteria for splitting a regional are essentially the same as the criteria for starting a new regional, which your Regional Director will know a little bit better than me--but I'll try anyways. By the way, start now--it can take a year or two to get a regional running.

You'll need a Regional Planning Committee, which will then be responsible for filling in other important details like suitable venues, volunteers, food, power if needed, internet connection for the field... pretty much everything the regional needs.

You'll also need to have a need for said new regional. Your FSMs and RDs will be able to see that a little bit better, but basically you'd need enough teams within a reasonable range to support both. I ran some quick numbers, and I'd suspect that the North regional in event of a split would have a much easier time attracting teams than the South (other than the continual pressure from CA on regionals located in adjacent states...), but with enough double-play teams (playing at both events) I think it could work out.


Short version: You're probably at the point to start thinking about another event, and discussing it with the Senior Mentors and the Regional Directors, but without some growth that also needs to happen, and the organizing body, it'll be quite a while.

[Jon Stratis]

I was wondering at what point does an event (regionals specifically) become too large an get split into two smaller events? What is the biggest regional this year, in terms of attendance? What are the criteria for splitting a regional? I'm wondering because the Denver regional has it's typical 50ish teams registered, which seems to me like a lot compared to other regionals, but it has had this number of attendees for 5+ years. I was just wondering what it might take to create Northern and Southern Colorado Regionals. IMO Colorado would need to produce another 5-10 teams for the 2018 season to potentially have two regionals in 2019 but I am by no means an expert.

North Star/10K Lakes are across the street from each other, at the same time, and hold 60/63 teams, respectively. And have done so for many years. In Duluth, Northern Lights and Lake Superior are in the same building (pits are in conference halls across from each other, fields are back to back in an attached hockey arena) and hold 60/63 teams, and have done so for many years.

Looking at last year's regionals, I see sizes: 64, 60, 63, 60, 41, 63, 49, 52, 66, 63, 59, 49, 53, 50, 52, 66, 66, 52, 40, 56, 36, 58, 36... and that's just through week 3. So really, 50 isn't on the bigger size - the median size for the first 3 weeks of regionals (plus week .5) is 56.

If you want to get the regionals to split, get the demand for them up over 65, preferably more like 80... then you'll have enough to justify two regionals.

Keep in mind adding another regional means that much more work for volunteers, recruiting more volunteers, finding a location, additional sponsorship to fund the regional... it's a big endeavor adding a new regional!

[tjwolter]

Something of a Registration question. When I try to sign up for Kickoff event I get a message that says my data has been Saved, not that it has been Sent.
Another FIRST website glitch? I will probably give them a call on this and a few assorted matters (they are also not showing our payment as received) but curious as to whether this is a general problem. TW

[Mark McLeod]

Something of a Registration question. When I try to sign up for Kickoff event I get a message that says my data has been Saved, not that it has been Sent.
Another FIRST website glitch? I will probably give them a call on this and a few assorted matters (they are also not showing our payment as received) but curious as to whether this is a general problem. TWThat's what I get too, but the information is all there after I hit "Submit" when I later go back so I think that's the way it works.
If you talk to FIRST HQ and find out different please let us all know.

[Francis-134]

Mark, thank you once again for doing all the data collection, analysis and reporting. It's always a blast to see it all in one place!

How does the growth chart look this year? Last time you posted it, it appeared we were on track for a smaller than normal increase of teams.

[Mark McLeod]

I'm at an off-season so the next chart update will be delayed.

[Mark McLeod]

3100 teams just now.

Only 30 more teams and we match last season's total teams.

[Andrew Schreiber]

3100 teams just now.

Only 30 more teams and we match last season's total teams.

Mark, how does that compare to where we usually are at this point? Is this finally the year that we barely see growth or is it just because teams are hiding on waitlists in places?

[Mark McLeod]

Growth at this point is ~4.5% over last year at this same time.
While last year at this time we were sitting at ~6.8% growth (final gain for 2016 was 8.2%).

I'll post a current plot as soon as we pass last year's number of teams which will probably be tomorrow.

[Jon Stratis]

Another way of asking the question... how does this compare to the dates we've passed the previous year's total registration for the past few years?

[Mark McLeod]

Another way of asking the question... how does this compare to the dates we've passed the previous year's total registration for the past few years?
That's on my plot, but since this year's crossing point is still predictive I don't want to publish it before it's been made real.
I also want to see if my projection of the crossing point from a few weeks ago is going to be correct.

Need another 19 teams...

[Brian Maher]

Can you please share an update on district teams registered for regionals?

[Mark McLeod]

It hasn't changed all that much:

2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
5484 ----- South Florida Regional ----- South Bend, IN
125 ------ South Florida Regional ----- Boston, MA
5243 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Centreville, VA
11 ------- Lone Star Central Regional - Flanders, NJ
87 ------- Lone Star Central Regional - Mount Holly, NJ
2200 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Burlington, ON Canada
2386 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Burlington, ON Canada
4188 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Columbus, GA
3314 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Clifton, NJ
2016 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Trenton, NJ
341 ------ Lone Star North Regional -- Ambler, PA
709 ------ Western Canada Regional -- Bryn Mawr, PA
2234 ----- Western Canada Regional -- Newtown Square, PA

[Hallry]

It hasn't changed all that much:

2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
5484 ----- South Florida Regional ----- South Bend, IN
125 ------ South Florida Regional ----- Boston, MA
5243 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Centreville, VA
11 ------- Lone Star Central Regional - Flanders, NJ
87 ------- Lone Star Central Regional - Mount Holly, NJ
2200 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Burlington, ON Canada
2386 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Burlington, ON Canada
4188 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Columbus, GA
3314 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Clifton, NJ
2016 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Trenton, NJ
341 ------ Lone Star North Regional -- Ambler, PA
709 ------ Western Canada Regional -- Bryn Mawr, PA
2234 ----- Western Canada Regional -- Newtown Square, PA

Interesting that 7 of the 14 district teams chosing to attend regionals are from MAR.

[Doug Frisk]

It hasn't changed all that much:

2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
5484 ----- South Florida Regional ----- South Bend, IN
125 ------ South Florida Regional ----- Boston, MA
5243 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Centreville, VA
11 ------- Lone Star Central Regional - Flanders, NJ
87 ------- Lone Star Central Regional - Mount Holly, NJ
2200 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Burlington, ON Canada
2386 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Burlington, ON Canada
4188 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Columbus, GA
3314 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Clifton, NJ
2016 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Trenton, NJ
341 ------ Lone Star North Regional -- Ambler, PA
709 ------ Western Canada Regional -- Bryn Mawr, PA
2234 ----- Western Canada Regional -- Newtown Square, PA

You're missing 27, Rush who are registered for the Northern Light's regional in Duluth, they showed up on the list last night though, so that may just be a slight delay on your process picking up the changes.

Thank you for doing all this work. This is a thread I enjoy watching every year.

[Mark McLeod]

You're missing 27, Rush who are registered for the Northern Light's regional in Duluth, they showed up on the list last night though, ...
Yea, I don't predict future team additions.
All posts include no data created after the time stamp of the post :)

[Mark McLeod]

There, 3130 teams are listed for events now.

Here's the plot.
Triangles mark where registration equals the previous year's registration total final team numbers.
So, this year what I'm going to call "parity" took ~6 days longer than last year.
It's similar to when parity was reached in 2014.

The registration period is very compressed this year, so there has been some affect on the curve for this year.
All the curves are also affected by lack of open event slots and how quickly event waitlists are cleared, and that varies based on changing circumstances year to year.


2778 continuing veteran teams (88.8%)
352 missing vets (11.2%)
324 rookie teams
9 new vet teams
19 resurrected vets

[SenorZ]

Interesting. Still seeing a team "511 - Robodox" listed for the Orange County Regional. Anyone know if Team 599 is building a second team? Or is this just an odd mistake?

Wonder if there are any other mystery teams out there.

[Mark McLeod]

I think it's a faulty portal problem.
Using the old portal to the FIRST database doesn't have your phantom team.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=number&year=2017&event=cair

[Mark McLeod]

25 countries:

Australia
Brazil
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Czech Republic
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
France
Germany
India
Malaysia
Mexico
Morocco
Netherlands
Poland
Singapore
South Africa
Switzerland
Taiwan
Turkey
United Kingdom
USA
Vietnam

[SenorZ]

I think it's a faulty portal problem.
Using the old portal to the FIRST database doesn't have your phantom team.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=number&year=2017&event=cair

That IS odd. I was looking at the archive.usfirst.org site. And they also pop up on TBA (https://www.thebluealliance.com/team/511). Looks like I'll need to look at the FIRST database portal from now on.

[plnyyanks]

I think it's a faulty portal problem.
Using the old portal to the FIRST database doesn't have your phantom team.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=number&year=2017&event=cair

Yeah, there's an inconsistency with FIRST's portals. I opened a bug on their tracker, but I haven't heard anything back...

TBA pulls data from FIRST once every 24 hours. In the case you specified, FIRST does indeed list 125 and 151 as registered for 2017mabos, which explains why TBA is showing it.

You can see that these two pages have the same team list:
https://frc-events.firstinspires.org/2017/MABOS (which is populated by the same data source TBA draws from) and https://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2017mabos

But the old-style page from FIRST doesn't have those two teams in question listed:
https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso?page=teamlist&event_type=FRC&sort_teams=number&year=2017&event=mabos

[Jscout11]

Interesting that 7 of the 14 district teams chosing to attend regionals are from MAR.

Interesting, but not terribly surprising.

[GaryVoshol]

25 countries:



So why when I go to "Search for Teams" on the FIRST website, I'm given the choice of only about 8 countries? Sigh.

[Mark McLeod]

So why when I go to "Search for Teams" on the FIRST website, I'm given the choice of only about 8 countries? Sigh.
The old FIRST database portal lets you choose them all :)

[Zebra_Fact_Man]

The old FIRST database portal lets you choose them all :)

Except for the UK teams. https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso does not list them ):

[Mark McLeod]

Great Britain & Northern Ireland are choices, but they don't work :)

If you want the UK teams they are on page 2 of a 250 team listing by location just before USA teams in the alphabet.

1797 ----- London, ENG United Kingdom ----- Bloomberg LP / Providence Equity Partners L.L.C / GMT Communications Partners / Clarion Event Ltd / Bechtel & The American School in London
1884 ----- London, ENG United Kingdom ----- Bloomberg LP / Providence Equity Partners L.L.C. / GMT Communications Partners / Bechtel & The American School in London
5781 ----- London, ENG United Kingdom ----- Bloomberg & The Petchey Academy

[Mark McLeod]

With all the waitlists still pending, and lots of District teams without their second plays yet, these teams going to multiple events numbers are very preliminary:

# Events -- # Teams
4 ---------------- 1
3 ---------------- 60
2 ---------------- 1614
1 ---------------- 1455

[Nips]

With all the waitlists still pending, and lots of District teams without their second plays yet, these teams going to multiple events numbers are very preliminary:

# Events -- # Teams
4 ---------------- 1
3 ---------------- 60

Who are the 60 teams going to 3 events and the 1 team going to 4 events?

[bkahl]

Who [is] the ... 1 team going to 4 events?

Guilty

[Mark McLeod]

Who are the 60 teams going to 3 events and the 1 team going to 4 events?
4 events = 125 (http://frclinks.com/t/125)

The attachment lists the sixty 3-event teams.

Only four Regionals show open registration slots, although waitlists on the others remain unknown.
2 -- Arkansas Rock City Regional
3 -- Arizona North Regional
12 - Idaho Regional
18 - Western Canada Regional

[bobbysq]

Who are the 60 teams going to 3 events and the 1 team going to 4 events?

If I were to guess, a good amount of the teams going to 3 events at this point are the ones pre-qualified for Worlds by winning Chairmans at a previous Championship, winning Einstein, or winning Engineering Inspiration in their division.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2017cmpmo
https://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2017cmptx

[Mark McLeod]

I didn't count Championship signups, just regular events.

Eventually, District Championships and the two World Championships will up the total, but that'll be months from now.

[Mark McLeod]

It seems like all District events went to waitlist status before opening for cross-district registration.
That was 100 open slots.

[Lil' Lavery]

All District events reached waitlist status before 1 pm.
That was 100 open slots.

How many of them reached waitlist not because of new sign-ups but because they lowered the capacity? I know CHS lowered capacities to match their current registration.

[Mark McLeod]

I'm double checking now, but most of the slots that disappeared were in Ontario.

P.S.
Every district went to zero before cross-district registration.
The only event that added a team was NE- Greater Boston

[Michael Kaurich]

How many of them reached waitlist not because of new sign-ups but because they lowered the capacity? I know CHS lowered capacities to match their current registration.

It wasn't to match current registration but to match the size events venues could handle. Last year had a few venues that were much too tight.

Lower registration numbers just make it easier to not add an eighth event.

Late registering teams isn't a huge factor from what I understand as the lower limits were set before registration began.

[Lil' Lavery]

It wasn't to match current registration but to match the size events venues could handle. Last year had a few venues that were much too tight.

Lower registration numbers just make it easier to not add an eighth event.

Late registering teams isn't a huge factor from what I understand as the lower limits were set before registration began.

Last night events were showing open slots and higher capacities. This morning the capacities had been lowered so that all CHS (and apparently other districts as well) showed 0 capacity. This includes events like CHS Blacksburg, which only has 29 teams registered and yesterday was showing 7 open slots, and ONT Victoria Park, which is currently sitting at only 22 teams registered (beneath the 24 required for a full elimination round bracket). It appears someone at FIRST wanted all Inter-District registrations to occur via the wait list process.

[Mark McLeod]

There have been a lot of teams (59) added to FIM events since 3 or 4 o'clock this afternoon.
They've all been waitlisted district events since Oct 14.

P.S.
124 total added to FIM events by the next morning.

[rsisk]

Guilty

No surprise there. I don't know how you guys do it. Just building a robot that can survive that much play is amazing