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Taggerun
03-10-2016, 09:50
I have no clue what this is. Could someone tell me what this and if it can be used!!
Thanks,
Taggerun
Ty Tremblay
03-10-2016, 09:51
It's an old drivers station from 2009ish. It can't be used.
Taggerun
03-10-2016, 09:52
It's an old drivers station from 2009ish. It can't be used.

Are you sure???
MrForbes
03-10-2016, 10:14
It's the 2009 driver station. Not "ish", it is the 2009 driver station.

You might be able to find a use for it.
Jon Stratis
03-10-2016, 10:16
If it's like most of the other 2009 driver station's I had experience with, it's probably dead from static shock by now!
Taggerun
03-10-2016, 10:17
It's the 2009 driver station. Not "ish", it is the 2009 driver station.

You might be able to find a use for it.

But how?? Is there any software I can find for it??
Thanks,
Taggerun
MrForbes
03-10-2016, 10:18
Now that you know what it is, you can search for software.

I expect it would be challenging to use it.
Billfred
03-10-2016, 10:20
It's the 2009 driver station. Not "ish", it is the 2009 driver station.

You might be able to find a use for it.

You're correct in paragraph 1, but given how awful it was for the purpose (ethernet jacks not built for enough connect-disconnect cycles, static discharge issues requiring everyone to crack a case open, very limited controller options) I would say Ty's closer to the mark on its actual utility...

It's an old drivers station from 2009ish. It can't be used.

That said, it might be a tempting project for a hardware hacker.
Taggerun
03-10-2016, 10:30
Now that you know what it is, you can search for software.

I expect it would be challenging to use it.

What do you mean by challenging??
MrForbes
03-10-2016, 10:40
What do you intend to use it for? If you want to use it to work with the complete 2009 robot control system, you'd need to find the appropriate software. That was the first year of the cRio control system, things were kind of flaky. From the little bit I know about configuring the control system, you probably need an old computer that still has the appropriate programming environment software loaded on it, you probably can't use a newer version of LabView, for example.

If you want to play hacker and use it for something else, you might see what controller it has inside, and figure out how to change the firmware to your own code, and make it do what you want.

There are probably other uses that I have not imagined here, if you give us some ideas of what you have in mind for it, we can help you figure out what the challenges might be.
bobbysq
03-10-2016, 11:18
It seems like if you have this, you probably have a cRIO already. You can program the cRIO with Eclipse using the Thunder cRIO tools (https://usfirst.collab.net/sf/projects/thunder_crio_c_tools/) or you can use LabVIEW if you image it properly. Then, you can take the driver station, set it to the 2014 protocol, and run it as normal.
techhelpbb
03-10-2016, 12:27
Mmmm scrap used parts.
Dismantle, find data sheets and have fun.:D
Taggerun
03-10-2016, 13:53
Good as dead??? Wrong!! Now what after this screen??
Thanks,
Taggerun
billbo911
03-10-2016, 13:59
Mmmm scrap used parts.
Dismantle, find data sheets and have fun.:D

You might be able to use the display screen for something. Other than that, it goes on the "Wall of Fame/Shame".

It was the first DS that allowed use of USB joysticks and devices.
Billfred
03-10-2016, 14:26
You might be able to use the display screen for something. Other than that, it goes on the "Wall of Fame/Shame".

It was the first DS that allowed use of USB joysticks and devices.

...natively. The USB Chicklet allowed supported USB joysticks and devices to connect to the old IFI OI's gameport connectors.
Taggerun
03-10-2016, 15:12
I want to see if I can get my team's old 2009 DS to connect one of our cRIO bots. I go at to the screen shown below. Now what???
Thanks,
Taggerun
Hallry
03-10-2016, 15:15
Taggerun, I've merged the two threads you made about getting the 2009 DS into a single one. Let's try to keep all of the discussion consolidated to one thread.
Taggerun
03-10-2016, 15:15
Taggerun, I've merged the two threads you made about getting the 2009 DS into a single one. Let's try to keep all of the discussion consolidated to one thread.

Sorry. :(
Taggerun
tr6scott
03-10-2016, 15:32
http://team358.org/files/programming/ControlSystem2009-/components.php

Love that the team358 pages are back up, such a great history resource, look all the way to the bottom of the page.
billbo911
03-10-2016, 15:48
...natively. The USB Chicklet allowed supported USB joysticks and devices to connect to the old IFI OI's gameport connectors.
Yep, you're right. I forgot about that little kluge.
ozrien
03-10-2016, 16:00
Yep, you're right. I forgot about that little kluge.

Kluge? I was kinda proud of the USB-Chicklet...

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=kluge
Taggerun
05-10-2016, 11:16
One last question how do I connect the 09' DS to the robot??
Thanks,
Taggerun
MrForbes
05-10-2016, 11:21
It was originally connected (wirelessly) with a router and a bridge.

http://www.saberrobotics.org/files/2009FRCControlSystemChart.jpg

or a LAN cable to tether it.
Taggerun
05-10-2016, 11:28
Ok but how do the two routers connect to each other??
MrForbes
05-10-2016, 12:22
Have you searched for the documentation on the 2009 FRC control system?
Taggerun
05-10-2016, 12:27
Have you searched for the documentation on the 2009 FRC control system?

Yah but the FIRST archive site was bringing me many 404's when looking for game documentation. Any ideas of team websites that might help??
Taggerun
05-10-2016, 13:17
Yah but the FIRST archive site was bringing me many 404's when looking for game documentation. Any ideas of team websites that might help??

Anybody??
Mark McLeod
05-10-2016, 13:27
Here are the 2009 benchtop steps:
MrForbes
05-10-2016, 13:55
I was able to find documents by first going to this page

http://archive.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/2009-frc-control-system

and then clicking on the dead link, copying the name of the document from the dead link, googling for that, and finding another archived copy. For example

www.education.rec.ri.cmu.edu/content/events/pgh_regional/sub_pages/frc_2010/media/FRC_testbed/5-FRC_Control_System-Configuration-0-5c.pdf

Might work for several of the documents?
EricH
05-10-2016, 19:23
One last question how do I connect the 09' DS to the robot??

Grab a Classmate, make sure that the robot's cRIO and the Classmate are running compatible software from any year between '10 and '14, and follow those instructions as far as radios. Send the blue box to the "scrap parts" bin. :p You don't need the blue box to talk to the cRIO. That's why the Classmate was used starting in 2010 (though many teams tossed that too, once the computer restrictions were opened up). Yes, it's an interesting challenge. But doing it is probably going to require locating the '09 cRIO firmware versions, as that particular DS wasn't used past that year, at all.

As was touched on, there were a large number of issues with that little blue box, as nice as it was in terms of size. The biggest one is that every single one of them had to be fitted with a grounding cable after Week 1 events to deal with static discharge, er, taking the path of greatest damage.