Urgent: war on iraq...what happens [Archive]

Solace

05-02-2003, 21:41

Originally posted by Nataku
out of the country teams might have a really hard time getting in to go to the competition

generally, sure, but from Canada? just because bush decides to go bombing Iraq doesn't mean that every other country suddenly becomes the bad guy too.

I find it unlikely that a school robotics team would be denied access to the US. This sounds more like an internal problem. so let me ask - will it be physically impossible to get in to the US during wartime, or is your school simply not allowing you to go?

to answer the original question, FIRST does not have a great track record of giving refunds. However, I don't think they've ever faced these particular circumstances. If it is completely out of your control, you might be able to persuade them.

Brett W

05-02-2003, 22:33

It is the school or more specifically the school Board that wouldn't let us go. After 9/11 The School Board but a ban on all out of country field trips for one year. Now that the ban is gone from 9/11 they will just put out another one if USA goes to war. It is a liability thing. If we go to the USA from Canada here it is the School Board that is responsible for us. If we get blown to pieces from a bombing raid, there would be law suit after law suit to the school board because they let us go to a country that would be in a state of war. I am sure all Canadian teams are praying for this war to not happen otherwise Bush will have screwed us out of the nationals. That is why this is a potential problem for out of country teams.

D. Gregory

05-02-2003, 22:57

Just to clarify, It is our school board that could impose the ban on out of country trips. We need to know if we can get a refund on the 5k(CDN national fee) and possibly the FIRST hotel package.

Vincent Chan

05-02-2003, 22:59

Originally posted by Solace
...just because bush decides to go bombing Iraq doesn't mean that every other country suddenly becomes the bad guy too.

Sure it does. At least the Canucks. They called him a moron, which, I'm sure, in his mind makes them a part of the 'axis of evil.'

MarcusF

05-02-2003, 23:09

I’m sure somewhere there is a force majeure clause, if you don't know what that is basically, its something in a contract that says if there is anything that is out of the control of either party they can back out with no consequences some examples are War, Sever weather... etc etc.

Solace

05-02-2003, 23:32

they weren't that far off the mark. hopefully the future will show that he was, in his own terms, misunderestimated

look on the bright side though - unless the US elists our robots to invade Iraq, I don't think that the competition will be very high on the hit list.

srjjs

05-02-2003, 23:55

http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml
Oh, did you mean something else?
I guess some of the stuff, like drills, hacksaws, etc, might look suspicious, but being a school-sponsored organization, I think it'll be okay.

Katie Reynolds

06-02-2003, 09:05

Originally posted by Solace
look on the bright side though - unless the US elists our robots to invade Iraq, I don't think that the competition will be very high on the hit list.
But that's not what the school board is worried about.

The school board is worried that when their students are in the country, the US could get bombed, and the potential for someone to get hurt is there. Our school also put a ban on travel in and out of the country after 9/11. Luckily, the ban was lifted by the time we were to go to Nationals. I understand where the school board is coming from ... I hope that we don't go to war. :(

Oh, one last thing: please - keep this thread on topic. Don't turn it into a "Bush bashing" thread. :rolleyes:

- Katie

Mike Rush

06-02-2003, 11:13

You're right. A Saddam Hussein bashing thread is much more appropriate.

Bill Gold

06-02-2003, 12:02

Originally posted by Mike Rush
You're right. A Saddam Hussein bashing thread is much more appropriate.
Um... No, you're wrong. A Saddam Hussein bashing thread is just as inappropriate.

E. The Kidd

06-02-2003, 12:59

Originally posted by Bill Gold
Um... No, you're wrong. A Saddam Hussein bashing thread is just as inappropriate.

wouldn't any type of bashing thread be inappropriate?:confused: :confused: :confused:

Mike Rush

06-02-2003, 13:17

Does not evil deserve bashing? Or are we incapable of admitting evil exists?

I do agree that this forum is probably not the best place for bashing, but I dont agree any bashing is inappropriate.

Greg Ross

06-02-2003, 13:43

Originally posted by Mike Rush
Does not evil deserve bashing? Or are we incapable of admitting evil exists?

I do agree that this forum is probably not the best place for bashing, but I dont agree any bashing is inappropriate.
To me, bashing implies cheap shots. I try to avoid it as much as possible.

On the other hand, *reasonable criticism and debate is always appropriate.

*Reasonable: 2. Governed by or being in accordance with reason or sound thinking. -- Dictionary.com

Katie Reynolds

06-02-2003, 16:29

Mr. Rush,

With all due respect, I believe that a thread bashing anything or anyone is inappropriate - especially here on the Chief Delphi forums. As Mr. Ross stated, "reasonable criticism and debate is always appropriate" - in threads in which debate is the intent. This thread is about the possibility of a school district not allowing their students to travel to the US in the event of war.

With that said, let's get back on topic.

- Katie

Vincent Chan

06-02-2003, 19:13

My apologies. I just couldn't let up an opportunity as easy as that.

:p

hixofthehood

06-02-2003, 20:14

It's not about bashing. It's about focus .

It's not polite to go into a thread about rotating lights and say "Hey! Anybody want to talk about Quetzacoatl?!"

You see?

LeadRiccardoT

09-02-2003, 23:17

heh if that's at all possible, i'll clarify, Dave is asking a different question from the one i'm asking.

We were wondering if the Meeting Company would refund, as would Continential under war time. NOT just the 5000 fee.

But in any case, the answer turned out to be the same for all, in the event of a war, the 5g fee, hotel accomodations, tickets, etc. are all non-refundable. With the way things are going now, it doesn't look like we have much choice but to cancel our trip to Houston. Which leads to my next question...

How many Canadian teams are going to or have already paid all the fees (including hotel, tickets and entry)?

Perseus

10-02-2003, 00:07

whats with all the bashing of bashing....:D :D << had to be said

but really, i dont know if everyone understands the full extent of saddam's power and brutality....the man totures and kills his own people, he gases entire villages, amputates legs and arms of citizens, performs experimentation on humans(and tortures the doctors who refuse to do it). i dont mean to preach or anything but sadam hussein is the epitome of evil and i believe most of americans do not understand the full wrath of this man(me being one of them: i just started reading us state department documents that have shocked me)

i agree with mr. rush that this might not be the place but "bashing" saddam is in my mind no way inappropriate as long as it doesnt get out of hand

in addition: here are some sites(U.S. State Department) on this madman:
kurdistan.org/Current-Updates/iraq.html
usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/iraq99e.htm

Harrison

10-02-2003, 00:12

Originally posted by Vincent Chan
Sure it does. At least the Canucks. They called him a moron, which, I'm sure, in his mind makes them a part of the 'axis of evil.'

*sigh* Not all Canadians think Bush is a Moron. Just our Prime Minister (who BTW is a bigger moron than Bush could ever be).

As for going to the US even if there is a war with Iraq, that doesn't really concern me. I expect highten security, but I doubt flights from Canada will be stopped (think of business people, etc who fly from the US to Canada and vice versa all the time.).

I'm worried about my trip to Europe (cause my flight on the way there goes thru Detroit....)

LeadRiccardoT

10-02-2003, 18:38

really? your school board will let u go to houston even if there's dangers of terrorism in the states? what if something happens? it'd be lawsuit after lawsuit against the school for letting you go.

as for the saddam bashing thing, i don't support him one bit but i don't think it's okay to get tunnel-vision. The guy doesn't deserve bashing any more than Hitler does here.

You can say he is the epitome of evil if you want after reading US reports, but u have to keep in mind that they are government reports on an enemy everyone is supposed to hate. I'd stick to the idea that he's insane.

Anyway, that's all i have to say on the subject here, if anybody would like to talk about Hussein, there are a ton of message boards devoted to him on the net, yet there's only one devoted to how many teams are allowed to go to the championship event during war time.

So... How many?

Jay5780

13-02-2003, 17:22

Direct from the FIRST website:

FIRST has begun to receive questions about plans for the regional events and Houston championship should an act of war or terrorism occur in the next months. We are concerned for the safety and security of citizens facing these threats anywhere in the world, and, in particular, for all men and women in the military.
While we recognize the impact these acts would have, we also understand the best course of action at this time is to continue to move forward with the existing plans. Therefore, FIRST is continuing to follow those plans and do all that is necessary to deliver superb regional and championship events for all the teams. We are not considering cancellations, extensions, or refunds. We do recognize the right and responsibility of each individual to judge how best to proceed. In the meantime, we'll continue to work toward a great season of Regional events and the Championship.