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Specialagentjim
09-03-2003, 00:32
I watched the regionals via NASA broadcast and saw that team 1038 won. Congratulations on a spectacular animation!
and on that note..what did it look like? heh, I havent seen team 1038s..has anyone else or can anyone send it to me? Thanks! (Juss curious to see what else is out there and winning)
Originally posted by Specialagentjim
I watched the regionals via NASA broadcast and saw that team 1038 won. Congratulations on a spectacular animation!
and on that note..what did it look like? heh, I havent seen team 1038s..has anyone else or can anyone send it to me? Thanks! (Juss curious to see what else is out there and winning)
I have a question.
Why was MOE's animation at Buckeye but not Rage Robotics (who were pretty enraged about it)?
I thinking 1038's was the cel shaded one with the jets.
MOE's was the weirdest animation I had ever laid my eyes on!
iheartlinux
09-03-2003, 01:04
:D i tried to get them to put me name all over it "kathryn mitzka" but they wouldnt. thansk for the compliment! i never realized how good it was till it actually won an award hahahaha oops :eek:
Bryan Faber
09-03-2003, 12:13
Yes, our animation was the cel-shaded one with the jets. I'd love to get a copy posted but unfortunately the only copies we have right now are way too large to upload into our webspace. I'll have a chat with the animation team to see if we can get something a lot smaller.
Josh Hambright
09-03-2003, 20:29
how about some screen shots?
Originally posted by Bryan Faber
Yes, our animation was the cel-shaded one with the jets. I'd love to get a copy posted but unfortunately the only copies we have right now are way too large to upload into our webspace. I'll have a chat with the animation team to see if we can get something a lot smaller.
We're struggling to shrink ours down for the web as well. The only way I can see it happening is to render it at a smaller size and re edit it in Premiere (or whatever editing program you use).
Specialagentjim
09-03-2003, 20:43
Most of us on this forum at least know what divx is...I think if you render to divx and on the same page have the link to download the codec, that ya can probobly do it that way pretty easily..
Bryan Faber
10-03-2003, 15:26
Here it is! (http://www.eastrobotics.com/fw/_filelib/FileCabinet/FinalAnim_small.avi)
Devil's Kid
10-03-2003, 16:25
Very good animation, except its not.
First of all, what the hell is going on? I see random scenes with things exploding and flying all over the place.
Secondly, what kind of message are you trying to portray? That cell shading will get you a winning trophy?
I don't think this deserves to win, unless the rest were even worse.
Eurak Hunt
10-03-2003, 16:33
1038, your animation does not have a valid story board, and the execution was mediocre at best. Lots of rough "edges", bad voices. Overall, unless, like DevilKid said you guys were competing with even worse, it doesn't look like you guys should have gotten a trophy.
iheartlinux
10-03-2003, 16:44
so, yeah there's better ways to tell us things like this. being a rookie team and sitting here readign your replys im pretty much shocked at how brutal someone could be. .."good animation..except it's not" ? ok, thats not nice at all, i mean c'mon people. i was on machine team so im not exactly sure about the animation but i have to say it must have won for a reason. its not like we payed money for us to win. im sorry that you guys feel it blew but gosh....stop putting us down
Bryan Faber
10-03-2003, 16:51
Alright, first of all like Kathryn said, lets not be brutal. First of all, our animation does have a valid storyboard. I don't know where you got the idea that it didn't. Secondly, as this is our rookie year, our animation team had to learn everything from scratch. While fooling around with 3DSM the team was working with some cel-shaded thigns and decided to use them in the animation. We never expected that we were going to win the award in our first year. This was a learning experience for the team and they're already planning things out for next year. The animation that I uploaded was definately not high quality. The resolution was cut down to make the animation as small as possible. I figured that since everyone was eager to watch our animation, taking the time to download a 250meg file wouldn't be practical for us to upload or anyone to download. And finally, the animations are judged by our peers in FIRST. If you don't think that we deserved to win then that is your opinion, but lots of teams did believe that we deserved it and thats how the votes turned out.
Josh Hambright
10-03-2003, 16:51
Very nice animation...i like the cell shading..
Dont let them get you guys down our team really liked your animation, we thought ours was a pretty good one and our animation advisor told me that he thought your was the only one that would have beaten us and it did so woohoo go 1038...
You guys rock!
Devil's Kid
10-03-2003, 16:52
Im sorry but this is the best way I can put this in. I realized, from reading a certain post, that winning these regionals is anything but fair. So you could've won for any reason.
yeah... not very cool guys
there's nothing wrong with a little constructive criticism, but I guess for whatever reason you feel you need to insult us instead? How immature is that?
oh, and as much as i hate overused words, this one sums it up - gracious professionalism (try it sometime)
Whow. Its amazing how quickly and easily people get offended and try to defend themselves. I think you have to realize that this is the real world and there will always be people who don't like something of yours, and you have to deal with it.
I personally agree with Devil's Kid in that the animation didn't seem to have anything to do with "What F.I.R.S.T means to you", and that is wasn't as well crafted as some of the other ones. I kind of feel sorry for the other teams which i thought did a better job, but, oh well, life's a b**ch, and that's how its always going to be.
All i can say is team 1038, enjoy your win, and when the same thing happens to you, you'll know how the other teams felt.
But thats just my opinion. Have fun getting angry at what I said, and say I am mean, or whatever you want.
Josh Hambright
10-03-2003, 17:16
you all just need to chill out.
Constructive criticism is fine but you guys were just attacking them... so they felt the need to defend themselves.
The animation was nice, alot of animations in cleveland were not nice. Thus it won.
They won and there is nothing that anyone can do and no reason to keep argueing about this.
I personaly liked it and thought it was funny
Originally posted by TheFork
All i can say is team 1038, enjoy your win, and when the same thing happens to you, you'll know how the other teams felt.
I don't know if you even care, seeing how bitter your outlook on everything is, but something similar actually did happen to us. We felt we had an awesome robot, which I challenge anyone to prove wrong, but did we make it in the top 8? No. Did we get picked for the tournament? No. And, Fork, did we bash the robots that made it? No. Instead we cheered them on, and were happy for them. This has happened to me 2 years in a row now, and I believe it makes you a much better person if you can look past all that. Maybe you don't realize it, but FIRST is not about winning awards, it's about learning and advancing the human culture, which is not being helped in any way by constant bickering. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to retaliate, I'm simply trying to give you another outlook and help you see the bigger picture here.
Bryan Faber
10-03-2003, 17:25
Lets please not start a flamewar, it's definately not needed.
Feel free to express your opinions, but don't just bash something because you don't like it. We had no control over the awards given out at the regionals. Like I said, it was a highly unexpected surprise.
iheartlinux
10-03-2003, 17:27
enough. some people dont like our animation,
some people did (thanks for the support boilers!).
who cares if we won......honeslty. who cares about winning. this is my first year of robotics and my outlook is like: i come for the learning, i come for the fun, i come to meet new people and expericence new things
some of you may take winning seriously but if i was the leader of the aniation team, id be proud right now. and ifpeople disliked my animation that much..i'd most likely mail that team an award. i dont know but i have a feeling this will never end.
thanks for the support to everyone and thanks for the criticism. this will all help us for next years animation
You people just don't get it.
Oh, and btw, Crispyc, it seems you are kind of bitter about your robot not making it to the top eight, why else would u mention it then.
SteveC116
10-03-2003, 17:56
Considering that this was your first year and you had to learn MAX from scratch, I commend you.
The responses that you have gotten about your animation's quality are not appropriate even if they do have some truth to them. Compared to some animations I saw, yours was great. But compared to others I've seen, it wasn't.
The issue is not really "OMG THAT SUCKED! WHY DID THEY WIN?". Because it didn't suck. It just didn't meet the requirements. No where in the animation did you say what FIRST meant to you. Truthfully using the point scale I would give you 20 for creativity, 5 for content, and 5 for technical execution. But don't be upset about that. For your first year thats a valid attempt.
The reason people are really upset is not because of YOUR animation, but because of the judging system Autodesk used. One misunderstanding you seem to have is that you won out of fairness. That isn't the case. I doubt that there were any teams that won out of fairness. Don't get all high and mighty saying 'there must have been a reason we won'. Because there was no reason for ANYONE to win. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this years animation competition was a joke and a waste of the weeks we spent working on our animations.
The only people who will get a fair try will be not the teams who applied or won regionals, but the teams who signed up for nationals, where word is, there will be a real judging system.
Frankly I am horrified by the lack of caring and consideration shown toward the animations this year. And that is why some teams feel strongly against you winning.
Someone FINALLY understands (mostly at least).
Geez guys, lighten up. Dont be so jealous of them that they won. I saw nothing wrong with their animation. It wasnt the best I saw, but it was pretty good. If everyone voted for them to win, why do you think it is unfair? Unless im mistaken every team has only one vote, its not like all of 1038 voted for themselves.
Cory
Originally posted by TheFork
You people just don't get it.
Oh, and btw, Crispyc, it seems you are kind of bitter about your robot not making it to the top eight, why else would u mention it then.
I'm not bitter, I'm disappointed, which I have a right to be. But I got over it. End of story.
Personally im not jelous, I wasn't even in their regional or conference, the thing that really irritates me is that people get so offended when someone tells the truth (at least in their own view).
Everybody is afraid to voice their opinion because it might "hurt someone's feelings", so what do they do? They just formulate a standard response which was conditioned into them from childhood -- that even if you don't think something is very good, say it is nonetheless and everybody will be happy.
(*now this has nothing to do with the animations)
That's the problem with everthing today. Because of that people that truly do not know what they are doing and are stupid are still encouraged to keep doing it and voicing their opinions no matter how ridiculous they are (yes, i realize that some of you may be thiking this exact same thing about me).
Thats why all idiots in the world exist today: because everyone was to afraid to tell them to shut up when it was needed.
Call me cynical, call me bitter, call me whatever you want, it doesn't really matter. Think about it and you'll realize I'm right.
Devil's Kid
10-03-2003, 18:30
If you people are claiming that I am attacking this poor team about their animation, then why are you attacking me about my opinion? I have the right to state my opinion, and I will do so. What TheFork is saying on the above post is entirely true. Incouraging incompetant people is only doing worse for society.
I'm not going to comment on that. I'm done here.
iheartlinux
10-03-2003, 18:34
why does it matter?
some people paste on a good face and say "hey! i loved it nice work *thumbs up*"
some people say what they actually think.
how about we just end this thread. everyone had the last word and its over. so the judging for animations were messed up and extrememly good animations got shafted. so some crappy animation won an award as people are saying. suck it up and deal. it's over and i see no reason as to why we all need to complain about it to other teams.
stop trying to bring down other peoples enthusiasm. i mean it may not be your intent but to me, personally, it's a huge turn off and makes me frown. it's over....dont pick your battles with team 1038 because we joined FIRST to have a good time, learn, and befriend people...not argue about somethign so trivial as this
-kathryn
Hmm..... so you think the philosophy of how the world works is trivial?
I'd like to hear your take on it then.
iheartlinux
10-03-2003, 18:40
if you want to talk i have an aol s/n and an email address..im ready to talk about whatever you want.
Bryan Faber
10-03-2003, 18:44
Alright this thread has certainly got off track. Jim from team 108 asked to view our animation and I posted a copy. No reason to post about anything else. Unless you have constructive criticism about our animation then please keep your opinions to yourself. This whole flamewar got started because Devil's Kid started to brutally abuse our animation.
Very good animation, except its not.
That is hardly a comment in the spirit of FIRST and I hope that you people can realize that. I understand your anger about the animation contests at the regionals, but seeing as you have not seen all the animations I kindly ask you to keep quiet. For all you know, our animation was the best at the Buckeye Regional. Personally I didn't think so but the majority of the voters did. Just drop the whole issue and stay on track. We'd love to hear some constructive criticism and suggestions that will encourage our team to do better next year and maybe submit an animation that would please you. Not a bad idea, eh?
If you people continue to bash our animation and the competition I really hope that Brandon or another moderator locks this thread. It really is uncalled for and inappropriate.
My final thoughts.
Specialagentjim
10-03-2003, 18:48
As this being my third year on animation, I know how it feels to start with 3ds max and be told to create "something". You feel terrified that you'll NEVER understand this software. All the animators here know what I'm talking about. It takes weeks to even learn it. Team 1038 did an amazing job learning modeling, cel-shading, and the like. They created an entire control center and space port as well as a futuristic city. I'd like to see the rest of you (myself included) pull that off as a first year animator. I know I wouldnt have been able to when i started in 7th grade. Give them some credit! It wasn't bad at all. I haven't seen the cleveland regional's submissions, so I don't know what they were up against. I also, agree (as you can see in the Joke they call regional animations thread), that judging was totally unfair. However, keep in mind, they did win based on the input of other teams. They're average score was higher than everyone elses, so lay off them! If you want to comment on how they could've improved it, fine. But no one on this forum goes around saying "you built a stupid robot, get out of this competition, you dont deserve to be here".
Personally, I understood their storyboard just fine. If you didn't get it, then take another high school lit class and learn how to relate things to one another. Just in case your still wondering, its showing how the future is here in FIRST. The same engineering principles you learn here, will help you prepare for the future, help you engineer the future. So get a grip, chill out, and be happy for another team that spent weeks working. We all spent weeks and many of the animators get very defensive when theirs dosent win. It happens, you lose sometimes...In fact, according to statistical odds, your NOT gonna win most of the time.
and TheFork, what's wrong with not hurting someone's feelings? I'll admit, there were things that could have been better in their animation. There are a lot of things that could have been better in my animation. Why do you have to tell them their animation sucks, why not say simply, "Well, the storyboarding idea could have been layed out better, with more intent on how the current state of first relates to the future". Did anyone ever learn anything from being told what they did sucked? FIRST is about learning, its about, as Cybersonics said in last year's animation, about preperation for the future. It's not about winnning, its about taking the skills you've learned here into the real world, and having some fun in the process of gaining these skills. I'll also admit, many of us have lost sight of these goals. I did too for a while, but take a minute to look at all this in retrospect before you come back and flame me for this.
Com'n everybody, show a little more grasious professionalism! I see most of the destructive posts are from rookie teams. When I first heard grasious professionalism, I too thought it was nothing to pay attention to. FIRST, however, has taught me to use it more. Take it to heart, think about it, and don't just blow me off and continue flaming me...Thats not why I posted this.
Sorry if these ideas aren't all that well organized. It irritates me when people completley disregard others. If you won, wouldn't you want people to be happy for you?
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