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How many teams have the ability to upright boxes?
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How many teams think it wont matter?
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Cory
Kris Verdeyen
10-03-2003, 14:08
I think it's "Aye".
And Nay.
Josh Hambright
10-03-2003, 14:12
I (to the first question)
I (to the second)
David.Cook
10-03-2003, 14:19
Sparky (#384) can orient (and stack) boxes in practice, but during an actual match we never tried it. There was always too much chaos and bumping around with other bots.
Jferrante
10-03-2003, 14:25
401 had the abilitiy. But we gave it up for improvements elsewhere.
Redhead Jokes
10-03-2003, 14:51
Originally posted by David.Cook
Sparky (#384) can orient (and stack) boxes in practice, but during an actual match we never tried it.
That's us too.
Rev. Lovejoy
10-03-2003, 15:39
Anyone can right a box....if they drive at it fast enough, and if you sandwich it between you and the wall, you have little pieces, a lot easier to work with.
We had an orienter in the back that we never got to use :(
Caleb Fulton
10-03-2003, 16:14
868 (Carmel High School) had an orienter that seemed to work; they were the ONLY bot that I saw that was able to stack at ALL at St. Louis...
Bryan Faber
10-03-2003, 16:54
Team 1038 can manipulate boxes and stack, but as many other teams have stated, its not very practical to do in the matches. Stacking has turned out to be a very weak strategy from what I've seen.
Jeremy_Mc
10-03-2003, 17:04
Originally posted by Caleb Fulton
868 (Carmel High School) had an orienter that seemed to work; they were the ONLY bot that I saw that was able to stack at ALL at St. Louis...
16 made a few stacks of 2-3...
*jeremy
DirtyBird213
10-03-2003, 17:19
Originally posted by Tton
How many teams have the ability to upright boxes?
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I - Team 213 "Dirty Birds"
We do, but I dont think we will use it.
Orient bins? Yup, my team can :)
edit: whoops, my brother just posted for my team. meh
Hardwire
10-03-2003, 20:29
there was one team that could orient and stack at the buckeye they were the only team that was good at it but i can't remember what number they were their bot had a roller system and a little poker thing to right boxes works pretty good
Greg Needel
10-03-2003, 21:05
we can do it........I think the above post is about us....
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SkitzoSmurf
10-03-2003, 21:09
If the bin isnt moving around due to plow bots, and stays in one place, I. . .
Jacqui Sutton
10-03-2003, 21:23
we can, and we did.. :-)
minimeet2003
10-03-2003, 22:27
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David.Cook
19-03-2003, 10:02
MOE (team 364) did it too, at the Chesapeake regional. They have a nice, well-designed mechanism for righting bins.
Aye (for them) or maybe, They.
stackers are pretty good if they have something to align the boxes so that they dont slip...
i thought that team 624 did a VERY good job of building up on the human stack... they got to five or six high in some rounds i think (and kept it up away from others)
DaveO'B365
19-03-2003, 20:50
aye aye, we right them with a flaming passion... maybe not, but watch some footage from annapolis, our driver got quite good at it by the finals (and we're moe, 365, not 364, but it's ok :-p, i don't remember any of your team numbers either)
Jeremiah Johnson
19-03-2003, 21:04
Team number 648 had a "poker" on the front that could turn over bins quickly and efficiently. We had to remove it because it was useless because we didn't feel the need to stack. Besides, the playing field is too chaotic to stack and even see the bins.
Budda648
Keith Chester
19-03-2003, 21:51
Not that we need to since we can pick it up anyway....
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How many of you saying "stacking is irrevalant" were watching the Annapolis Regional? I thought we proved you wrong. We only got to the finals due to our ability to stack. And some dumb luck.
We have a cool little thingy on the front of our robot that flips bins and we stacked 4 successfully, and almost 6 unsuccessfully. I think people will be intruiged when we introduce a new ability to the game. We didn't do it at Annapolis because we weren't sure whether we could pull it off. I am confident that we can do it, and I hope to prove it during practice rounds. hehehe. Well, I feel stackers are still in the game. Good luck guys.
Forsaken85
19-03-2003, 22:27
I believe we can do it. I think. I am sure of it. I thank you. Good bye.
Travis Hoffman
19-03-2003, 23:45
Team 1114 has a neat little flipping arm that can flip over boxes. I don't know how much they use it in actual competition, however.
David.Cook
20-03-2003, 09:54
Since you asked... We were in Annapolis (in the next pit - 384). Yes, you have a very nice mechanism for righting and stacking the boxes. I didn't personally see the match in which you placed a 4-stack, but I did hear of it. What I did see was several other failed attemps. The problems I perceived were that external jostling and bumping from other robots gave your stacker problems, and in the end, you weren't consistently able to place the stack.
I guess my summary is that
a) stacking CAN turn the tide of a match, but
b) stacking is too unreliable (from what I have seen) to count on
I love your design, and I look forward to seeing what is new at Nationals.
At this point, I am only hoping that we will get to go, as our school board has cancelled all field trips outside of our city due to the war.
We'll see.
Team238-aholic
20-03-2003, 13:27
238 can upright and stack boxes....but....don't use it...due to the fact that no one has been stacking...its all about knocking down and clearing away the boxes....
Ben Mitchell
20-03-2003, 20:55
Originally posted by Forsaken85
I believe we can do it. I think. I am sure of it. I thank you. Good bye.
:confused:
No, we can't. Our robot is not designed to orient the bins in any way.
Granted, we would be able to orient the bins by picking them up and dropping them, or using our collective spiritual energies to "will" the boxes into the proper position. Or perhaps (this hasn't been tested) by chanting in Elvish, we could get the boxes to turn the right way.
(and the chant for that is:
Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer:
Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer!
(x2) )
Unfortunately, it’s not happening anytime soon in a real match. Sorry. We don’t have an ability to reorient bins. At all. Thank you.
--Ben
--Also from Team 303
Yan Wang
20-03-2003, 21:00
www.orbitreview.com/~temp/orienting.rm
Realmedia format.
Forsaken85
20-03-2003, 21:24
Originally posted by Ben Mitchell
:confused:
No, we can't. Our robot is not designed to orient the bins in any way.
Granted, we would be able to orient the bins by picking them up and dropping them, or using our collective spiritual energies to "will" the boxes into the proper position. Or perhaps (this hasn't been tested) by chanting in Elvish, we could get the boxes to turn the right way.
(and the chant for that is:
Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer:
Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer!
(x2) )
Sorry to say we can orient boxs just not fast enough within the 2 minutes. WE can do it, cause i have done it during practice. It is not our primary concern to but we can. Sorry but our stratedy guy has not seen enough practice time to understand that we can. Sorry for the incovience.
Unfortunately, it’s not happening anytime soon in a real match. Sorry. We don’t have an ability to reorient bins. At all. Thank you.
--Ben
--Also from Team 303
Originally posted by David.Cook
Since you asked... We were in Annapolis (in the next pit - 384). Yes, you have a very nice mechanism for righting and stacking the boxes. I didn't personally see the match in which you placed a 4-stack, but I did hear of it. What I did see was several other failed attemps. The problems I perceived were that external jostling and bumping from other robots gave your stacker problems, and in the end, you weren't consistently able to place the stack.
I guess my summary is that
a) stacking CAN turn the tide of a match, but
b) stacking is too unreliable (from what I have seen) to count on
I love your design, and I look forward to seeing what is new at Nationals.
Our stacker had some problems that needed worked out, and there were some strategical things that were not worked out. I am hopeful that we will be a more impressive stacker at Philly and Nationals.
Ben Mitchell
20-03-2003, 21:56
Originally posted by Forsaken85
Sorry to say we can orient boxs just not fast enough within the 2 minutes. WE can do it, cause i have done it during practice. It is not our primary concern to but we can.
OK, so if we can't orient bins within two minutes, can we do it??
NO!
It is not a designed ability of our robot, it is not a reliable capability of our robot, it is not a functional capability of our robot.
Perhaps by PURE CHANCE, we could pick up and drop a bin so it lands sunny side up. But random chance is hardly an ability.
Originally posted by Forsaken85
Sorry but our stratedy guy has not seen enough practice time to understand that we can. Sorry for the incovience.
Actually, I was there for *plenty* of practice time, and in the hours spent practicing, I know that we cannot orient bins. I have not once seen us reorient a bin, EVER.
Maybe you did it once, but that is hardly an “ability." Before I posted, I talked to 303’s pilot, and he also agreed that we did not have the ability, and your post was in error.
If you don't think that I'm doing a satisfactory job at coaching/human player/database/Intel gathering, feel free to tell me in person, instead of alluding to it on these boards. I have contributed a lot to the team this year, and do not appreciate being belittled by YOU here.
--Ben
We can and our orienter also serves as a two or three bin stacker.
ChewyMasterFlex
22-03-2003, 20:20
a lil off topic but, had anyone thought of setting up their stacks so that they would be able to go under the bar and pick up their stack, do stuff like clear their goal area/get crates in your area, and then drop it off at the near end?
I'm just a little disappointed because I only saw only one stacker actually used in Hartford, and there was ABSOLUTELY NO stacking/orienting at all in New York regionals!!!!
Ben Mitchell
23-03-2003, 10:57
Originally posted by ChewyMasterFlex
a lil off topic but, had anyone thought of setting up their stacks so that they would be able to go under the bar and pick up their stack, do stuff like clear their goal area/get crates in your area, and then drop it off at the near end?
Err..you mean carry a stack around through the whole match?
You'd better be ready to take a beating though - that robot would be an instant target.
Yan Wang
23-03-2003, 11:02
810 hasn't done so yet but I believe that was their intended function. They would pick up a stack of 4, hold it, move to the bar, deattach the arm and reattach it to the robot on the other side. It's a great concept and I'd love to see it work.
Btw, any thoughts on www.orbitreview.com/~temp/orienting.rm ?
Anarkissed
23-03-2003, 13:44
Why waste time orienting the boxes? why not just stack them upside down or rightside up.
:D ;)
We can, and did at UCF, once, and we lost
ChewyMasterFlex
23-03-2003, 23:53
Originally posted by Ben Mitchell
Err..you mean carry a stack around through the whole match?
You'd better be ready to take a beating though - that robot would be an instant target.
but think about it, a bot that would simply carry a stack around for the entire game (even a stack of 2) could turn the tide in a game! Just carry those human player stacks around, and drop them off 10 secs before the end, and fly up that ramp!
Sorry bout talking about all this theoretical stuff, just disappointed to the reality that most teams hardly ever used their arms. Expecting a whole lot more action in Nats.:D
galewind
24-03-2003, 13:27
aye
Originally posted by ChewyMasterFlex
but think about it, a bot that would simply carry a stack around for the entire game (even a stack of 2) could turn the tide in a game! Just carry those human player stacks around, and drop them off 10 secs before the end, and fly up that ramp!
Sorry bout talking about all this theoretical stuff, just disappointed to the reality that most teams hardly ever used their arms. Expecting a whole lot more action in Nats.:D
hmm, sounds like a certain robot that I know and love...Go GeroniMOE.
Alex Cormier
24-03-2003, 17:19
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we can stack and orient and w/ our 10' reach we can be king o' the hill
Watch out for us in ATLANTA
DaveO'B365
24-03-2003, 19:22
if you want to see a lot of stacking and orienting, i hope you'll watch moe in the philly regional, cause he should be back in action... if you know what i mean:p
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