Chicken or Egg?? [Archive]

D.J. Fluck

26-09-2003, 19:20

Michelle 236

26-09-2003, 19:23

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck
Thats not proof, thats a theory within a theory
:p
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Chicken

You are sooooo witty!!!!!!!

srjjs

26-09-2003, 20:19

Actually, according to Darwinian evolution theory, it would have been the egg that came first, laid by a chicken-like animal (not a chicken).

Jillian B.

26-09-2003, 20:23

All creatures, except single cell organisms come from an egg! All early animals were egg-laying animals. So, how the heck could anything have come from a chicken?

Tytus Gerrish

26-09-2003, 21:46

dlavery

26-09-2003, 22:59

Egg-batter fried chicken!!!

Blacknight

27-09-2003, 08:22

Chicken, logically from science standpoint and a spiritually standpoint.
If the egg came first, then who sat on it to provide warmth to hatch it?
And Y would God create a species that wouldn't even hatch?

Joe Matt

27-09-2003, 11:59

NO! The Omelet! That was first! Someone wanted an omelet and then they created the egg! So there was no chicken since we ate the egg, and the current thing we know as a chicken is actually a Norwegian Cockatoo!

FotoPlasma

27-09-2003, 14:17

Colonel Sanders?

Mmmmmm... Honey Roasted...

Yan Wang

27-09-2003, 16:16

Originally posted by Matt Krass
Chicken and I can prove it.

The chicken could have been born as an evolutionary upgrade from another animal, from there it starts laying chicken eggs.

Thanks Darwin!

My vote seems to have just tipped it 11-10 for the Egg guys :)

Anyway, Matt... I, like everyone else, have thought about this question sometime in life. I have thought the EXACT SAME THING you think. However, it's wrong.

Ie, humans don't lay eggs, but perhaps through evolution, we will. But that doesn't happen suddenly. What you seem to say is that a chicken-like animal just suddenly laid a chicken AS A chicken. A chicken lays eggs, so the animal which laid the chicken can't have laid an animal in the span of two SLIGHTLY differing animal forms! Evolution doesn't happen that fast. Logically, the animal prior to the chicken would have laid an egg (or something MUCH more like an egg than an animal), which contained the first chicken... It was the egg! :)

Marygrace

27-09-2003, 17:36

Originally posted by monsieurcoffee
My vote seems to have just tipped it 11-10 for the Egg guys :)

Not for long, now its a tie. ggl, :D

Yan Wang

27-09-2003, 17:46

Lots of people seemed to have voted for the chicken but haven't said anything stating their arguments... are people just arbitrarily picking one of the other? :)

Raven_Writer

27-09-2003, 18:43

Originally posted by dlavery
Egg-batter fried chicken!!!
LOL.....*homer simpson drool*mmmmmmm........batter*/homer simpson drool*

I vote for the chicken, just because everything tastes like chicken now adays

Nick Mac

27-09-2003, 22:28

i'm going to have to go with the chicken. to back up my choice, i'm going to use an animal like the cow for example. The cow does not come from a laid egg, but it's here. Therefore, the chicken must've just one day came here, and then started spawning.

Raven_Writer

28-09-2003, 09:24

Originally posted by Nick Mac
i'm going to have to go with the chicken. to back up my choice, i'm going to use an animal like the cow for example. The cow does not come from a laid egg, but it's here. Therefore, the chicken must've just one day came here, and then started spawning.
But how could another chicken come along w/o an egg?

Chickens can't reproduce asexually (sp?)

Actually, in a sense a cow did come from a laid egg...it's just not visible unless you look inside the cows body.

</edit>but if you wish to fight me over my *useless* theory, please PM me<edit />

Nick Mac

28-09-2003, 11:20

haha...i thought i got around that. i was trying to choose my words very carefully, saying that even though the cow does come from an embryo, it does not go through an external birth process like the chick hatching from an egg.

Blacknight

28-09-2003, 15:32

hey i defended my argument...:mad:

Yan Wang

28-09-2003, 17:31

You crazy people, it's so obvious that the egg came first. Didn't you read my post? :)

Anyhoo, from one of my favorite sites, HowStuffWorks.com:

In nature, living things evolve through changes in their DNA. In an animal like a chicken, DNA from a male sperm cell and a female ovum meet and combine to form a zygote -- the first cell of a new baby chicken. This first cell divides innumerable times to form all of the cells of the complete animal. In any animal, every cell contains exactly the same DNA, and that DNA comes from the zygote.

Chickens evolved from non-chickens through small changes caused by the mixing of male and female DNA or by mutations to the DNA that produced the zygote. These changes and mutations only have an effect at the point where a new zygote is created. That is, two non-chickens mated and the DNA in their new zygote contained the mutation(s) that produced the first true chicken. That one zygote cell divided to produce the first true chicken.

Prior to that first true chicken zygote, there were only non-chickens. The zygote cell is the only place where DNA mutations could produce a new animal, and the zygote cell is housed in the chicken's egg. So, the egg must have come first.

Tytus Gerrish

28-09-2003, 18:33

Originally posted by monsieurcoffee
You crazy people, it's so obvious that the egg came first. Didn't you read my post? :)

Anyhoo, from one of my favorite sites, HowStuffWorks.com:

Yan...
i dont want you mad at me, espicaly because Matt Bays is on your team, But the chicken was soo First!

Nick Mac

28-09-2003, 19:44

Yeah. I'm going to be stubborn and stick by my answer too. CHICKEN!!

Blacknight

28-09-2003, 19:46

GO CHICKEN!!!!!!:D

Yan Wang

28-09-2003, 19:51

It saddens me to see people turn away from scientific fact... more so than the belief of god. :)

Yeah, stick with your chicken choices - you're all wwwrrrrrrrooooonnnnnnggg.

Ah, this is a funny thread.

SaxMan701

28-09-2003, 21:29

Egg, and that is also what I think Darwin would feel. Consider this:

Two animals that are almost, evolutionarily, chickens mate. Their genes, which are almost chicken, unite to form chicken DNA. Thus, we have an egg with chicken DNA.

Of course, there really is no question, considering evolution is a constant process. It wasn't like one day a chicken suddenly happened. But the above explanation is pretty close.

Tytus Gerrish

28-09-2003, 21:48

CHICKEN!!!!!

Arrowsmith

29-09-2003, 10:40

I think that the platepus (sp?) laid the first chicken egg. I mean, what is that thing? Is it a beaver, an otter, a duck, just, whoa. It's almost as confusing as the giraffe: A big yellow horse with spots, and a big long neck.

Nick Mac

29-09-2003, 16:35

Hmm...i wonder how darwin would like it if i threw an egg at his head...

MissInformation

29-09-2003, 17:55

Chicken is a Middle English word originated from the Old English word, "cicen". In Middle English, egg was egge, but it was taken from the Old Norse word "egg". And since Old Norse is older than Middle English, the egg came first...

Heidi

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JJG13

29-09-2003, 18:04

Eggs came first because there were creatures that laid eggs before chickens. The question does not say that the egg is a chicken egg. :)

edit: changed chick egg to chicken egg. What was I thinking?

Cory

29-09-2003, 21:07

wow, Im really stupid.

I thought this thread was asking whether I liked chicken better than egg at first :D

Cory

Melissa Nute

29-09-2003, 21:10

Originally posted by Cory
wow, Im really stupid.

I thought this thread was asking whether I liked chicken better than egg at first :D

Cory

mmm....I like chicken

And chicken is what came first I think :p
B/c in order to have an egg...it has to come out of a chicken!

Nick Mac

29-09-2003, 21:10

Originally posted by Cory
wow, Im really stupid.

I thought this thread was asking whether I liked chicken better than egg at first :D

Haha...in that case...i'm still going with chicken

Jillian B.

29-09-2003, 21:34

Hmm...that makes it difficult. The egg definetly came first, but I like chicken. :( What will I do!!??? :confused: lol.

-jill

Yan Wang

29-09-2003, 22:06

Originally posted by JJG13
Eggs came first because there were creatures that laid eggs before chickens. The question does not say that the egg is a chicken egg. :)

edit: changed chick egg to chicken egg. What was I thinking?

Yeah, I thought about posting up that it does not say "chicken egg", just "egg", and have a completely sound argument that the egg came first.

But I didn't wanna look like a picky *@#%#@$.

shyra1353

30-09-2003, 12:50

Originally posted by Jillian B.
Hmm...that makes it difficult. The egg definetly came first, but I like chicken. :( What will I do!!??? :confused: lol.

-jill

definitely agreed

and the egg came first for reasons stated in other peoples posts

FotoPlasma

30-09-2003, 13:01

Originally posted by Jillian B.
Hmm...that makes it difficult. The egg definetly came first, but I like chicken. :( What will I do!!??? :confused: lol.

-jill
Three words: Grilled Chicken Omelette...

I'm getting hungry...

Joe Matt

30-09-2003, 13:16

Or you can look at it this way: which came first, the shell or the feather? The shell, so it's going to be the egg since it was the base of evolution.

Or because it's shiny....

yenduc

07-10-2003, 16:29

egg.

simple as that

KenWittlief

08-10-2003, 21:33

In Genesis God created the creatures of the air (birds) first, saw that it was good, and then said, "let them multiply"

but this is a trick question to begin with
an egg IS a chicken

a liquid chicken!

(Mmmmmmm liquid chickens, aaaaggggggghhhhh [drool] )

Jeff Waegelin

08-10-2003, 21:38

Originally posted by KenWittlief
In Genesis God created the creatures of the air (birds) first, saw that it was good, and then said, "let them multiply"

but this is a trick question to begin with
an egg IS a chicken

a liquid chicken!

(Mmmmmmm liquid chickens, aaaaggggggghhhhh [drool] )

Liquid chickens? I think, somehow, we have found our new official Chit-Chat comedian...

Clark Gilbert

08-10-2003, 21:51

So should scrambled eggs be considered a meat?
:confused:

Nick Mac

08-10-2003, 21:55

liquid chickens sounds like some kind of intrevenous type of food...although its got potential, i'll give you that much!

KenWittlief

08-10-2003, 22:02

next time you goto Dennys or IHOP, order two liquid chickens, and see what they bring you.

Jestin Hashop

08-10-2003, 22:14

Look the egg came first. The very first chicken hatched out of an egg. A chicken egg. either 2 different birds mated or it was a defect of some kind. No matter how it happened. The egg came first.

KenWittlief

08-10-2003, 22:19

you sound so certain! If the egg came first, then what laid said egg?

how can you be certain the bird that laid that first egg wasnt already a chicken itself?

if the chicken was 'created' by a mutation in its mothers womb, then it could have been born without going through the egg stage.

Jestin Hashop

08-10-2003, 22:21

Look the egg came first. The very first chicken hatched out of an egg. A chicken egg. either 2 different birds mated or it was a defect of some kind. No matter how it happened. The egg came first.

KenWittlief

08-10-2003, 22:31

is the shell of the egg formed by the core of the egg, or by the mother birds reproductive system?

if its formed by mothers reproductive system around the egg, then the first chicken would have been born without the shell, and the chicken would have come first

but if the shell is formed by the egg itself, then the first chicken in the womb would have formed the shell around itself, and you could agrue the egg came first

but since eggs that are not fertilized still have shells, I dont think its the egg that creates the shell, I think its the mother. So the chicken came first, born without a shell.