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Tytus Gerrish
05-10-2003, 00:39
If we get too many first teams you think it might be only Prime number teams are guarantied a spot at nationals?
i would like that (179=Prime#)
Oops, I accidentally voted yes, but I meant to vote no.
Prime numbers...come on now, thats just random.
Jeff Waegelin
05-10-2003, 01:24
No. Two reasons:
1. It's a ridiculous rule.
2. 201 is not a prime number :p
FotoPlasma
05-10-2003, 08:16
Yeah... That's pretty absurd...
I really hope you're just joking...
And it's actually spelled... oh nevermind...
IMDWalrus
05-10-2003, 08:24
I don't like it...especially because we have an even number.
How about we go with an ACTUAL random number generator? :p
Better yet, let's use palindrome numbers - numbers that read the same way forwards and backwards!
Rickertsen2
05-10-2003, 09:43
Ummm.... NO!
KenWittlief
05-10-2003, 11:08
I would say yes, as long as you define "Prime number teams" as
'teams who have won the chairmans award in the past
or
teams who existed in the original year of FIRST
or
any team on which Ken Wittlief is a member
are hereby defined to be PRIME TEAMS'
:c)
WakeZero
05-10-2003, 11:51
Originally posted by KenWittlief
I would say yes, as long as you define "Prime number teams" as
'teams who have won the chairmans award in the past
or
teams who existed in the original year of FIRST
or
any team on which Ken Wittlief is a member
are hereby defined to be PRIME TEAMS'
:c)
LMAO :rolleyes: :yikes: :D
I agree ;)
Tytus Gerrish
05-10-2003, 11:56
Originally posted by KenWittlief
I would say yes, as long as you define "Prime number teams" as
'teams who have won the chairmans award in the past
or
teams who existed in the original year of FIRST
or
any team on which Ken Wittlief is a member
are hereby defined to be PRIME TEAMS'
:c)
prime numbers = 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 27, 31, 37, ......
Ken Leung
05-10-2003, 12:04
Originally posted by Tytus Gerrish
prime numbers = 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 27, 31, 37, ......
3 X 9 = 27
I think this thread belongs in the chit chat forum now, unless there is any more constructive discussion with this prime number suggestion.
RoboCoder
05-10-2003, 12:06
I seriously hope you're kidding. I mean, last year , odd numbered teams got to go, and this year, if only prime numbered teams got to go, it would make it really difficult for even numbered teams to get to nationals (again). Now, if you said all non-prime numbered teams, but then again thats more than half so that doesn't help anything now does it? :p
hmmm, how about all rookie teams that won awards at their regionals last year? or all teams that have doubled in size since last year (the whole spreading the spirit of FIRST thing)? That would work for me lol ;)
But seriously, while doing the even/odd thing probably wont be feasible this year, any serious ideas that they might very well do, or that may be fair for ALL teams? (should I start another thread with this?)
Tytus Gerrish
05-10-2003, 12:12
Originally posted by Ken L
3 X 9 = 27
Woops! sorry
Im, not kidding, THere are alot of Teams now a days,
do you think that there will be a time when instead of even or odd that only as few as prime number teams go to natonals?
Prime number teams Came out of Dean's mouth, not mine its just an example of a way to select the teams that get to go to natonals
Originally posted by IMDWalrus
Better yet, let's use palindrome numbers - numbers that read the same way forwards and backwards!
Yes, definitely! :D
KenWittlief
05-10-2003, 13:05
Last timeI checked FIRST had not yet posted the criteria for who gets preference to attend the Championship this year
and there may be good reason for that.
Last year they opened registration up to anyone (the weekend of the Canadian regional)
which means they were not able to get enough people with the restrictions they had.
Also keep in mind, in the past, going to WDW was a big deal for the students, not only were you at the championship, you also got to spend the weekend at the park, sort of a reward for being on the team
last year, there was only one day at an amusement park in Houston (6 flags?)
this year, at Atlanta, the championship will be about the championship only (as far as we know right now)
so it will be interesting to see how many teams really want to spend the extra money to travel all the way to Atlanta, instead of attending a closer regional instead.
golf_cart_john
05-10-2003, 13:13
The problem with prime number teams is that prime numbers are always the same, so we'd be stuck looking for another method next year. I mean, if you say "Odd numbered teams for odd numbered years" you have a system that works for any amount of time. The prime number idea would only work for one year. Plus, 95 isn't a prime number.
Jeff Waegelin
05-10-2003, 13:14
Originally posted by Tytus Gerrish
Prime number teams Came out of Dean's mouth, not mine its just an example of a way to select the teams that get to go to natonals
Why do I seriously doubt that? Dean would never suggest something as ridiculous as letting prime number teams go. It's not even close to fair by any stretch of the imagination, and it's a very arbitrary choice. Plus, Dean wouldn't say anything, even if he was considering it. Something blatantly false like that isn't even worthy of the Rumor Mill.
Tytus Gerrish
05-10-2003, 13:34
I so! heard dean say that ,Jokingly of course
Originally posted by Jeff Waegelin
Why do I seriously doubt that? Dean would never suggest something as ridiculous as letting prime number teams go. It's not even close to fair by any stretch of the imagination, and it's a very arbitrary choice. Plus, Dean wouldn't say anything, even if he was considering it. Something blatantly false like that isn't even worthy of the Rumor Mill.
Jeff since when are you best friends with Dean and know everything he says... If i remember correctly (which I'm pretty sure i am now) he did say a comment like this at a time. I remember reading a transcript from one of his [Dean's] speeches and remember him listing off ways that they [FIRST] could consider a team be viable for a spot to nationals. Thus yes it was a sort of joke as some were far fetch and went into ideas that were funny to hear from him (ex. teams that own segways...etc) but i don't think that Tytus is lying about dean saying it as a joke. but i personally don't think it would work either because that would limit it to about 100 or so teams and wouldn't change as amounts of teams increased.
~Mike
P.S.~ This post is not meant as a flame to anyone and i don't want this discussion to turn into a flame war.
I prefer all teams that don't have a team number 179 :D
I disagree with where the author put this. This post belongs in the rumor mill at best, if not chit-chat. The championship event forum is here for serious discussion - not clutter.
Ryan Dognaux
05-10-2003, 17:36
No.. just no...
That's like saying all teams evenly divisble by 32.782 should go to Nationals.:rolleyes:
Hmm ... no one appreciates a good mathematical joke?
Well, given the bias of prime numbers, I researched the issue a bit (well, not really, but pretend that I did to give me some credibility, okay?).
Now for this year we can use Aronson's Sequence (check out Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences (http://www.research.att.com/cgi-bin/access.cgi/as/njas/sequences/eisA.cgi?Anum=A005224) ). I made sure that good ol' 122 is on there.
Next perhaps the fibonacci sequence. (I won't be on team 122 next year, as I'll be in college.) After that, there are plenty more sequencs Dean could choose. Meanwhile, I think all teams that have built or are building a personal segway type device should go no matter what (no, I'm not biased).
Guys... it's just a a joke.
I for one, smiled when I saw it.
FIRST will likely be releasing the qualification criteria sometime soon. We all need to remember that FIRST has received a great deal of feedback from team's on this issue, and they will have likely tried to implement as much of our "meta-criteria" as possible into the final solution.
I will be interested to see exactly how they pull this off.
We've given them a tough problem to solve, and I'm confident they will solve it in a way that is fair to all, and will benefit the program in the long-term.
We all need to keep this in mind, even as we joke about things like this.... and especially after the qualification scheme is released later on.
FYI - all the members of 229 wholeheartedly support the "prime qualification plan". Tytus, it seems like you've got yourself a winner here. ;)
SaxMan701
05-10-2003, 18:41
I think all teams in which...
A and B represent the digits of the team number, and B=2A. (Or, for 3 digits, C=2B=2A, and you get it for 4 digits.) (21, 42, 63, 84, 421, 842...that's all of the teams that could exist now.)
Or any team whose number is divisble by 42 :D. (42, 84, 126, 168, 210, etc.)
Or, even better, if you can find anything mathematically special about your team's number, you're in.
FotoPlasma
05-10-2003, 18:52
Originally posted by SaxMan701
C=2B=2A
I think you mean "C=2B=4A".
My vote goes for only members of the Fibonacci Sequence... That competition oughta last about 30 minutes...
Rickertsen2
05-10-2003, 19:32
How has a thread like this gone so far. Chief delphi gets sooo bland in the offseason.
Dan Richardson
05-10-2003, 19:55
Prime numbers ... kinda biased to all teams divisble by 2 ( sept for 2 itself ) which basically means all even teams :-)
:: shakes head at the nonsense ::
Tytus Gerrish
05-10-2003, 23:46
Originally posted by Rickertsen2
How has a thread like this gone so far. Chief delphi gets sooo bland in the offseason.
BLAND? Cummon Man! i Got Caraisma!
Jeff Waegelin
05-10-2003, 23:49
Originally posted by Tytus Gerrish
BLAND? Cummon Man! i Got Caraisma!
Charisma, Tytus, Charisma. How can we expect you to have any if you can't spell the word?
Ken Leung
06-10-2003, 00:01
I suggest you guys start having some meaningful conversation about this topic, maybe something about the meaning of Championship event or the logistic of hosting a competition for 300 robotics teams...
Otherwise you should ask Brandon to close the thread.
Just a suggestion of course ;-).
Stephanie
06-10-2003, 00:03
'ey, chill.
people can have charisma even if they didn't use "hooked on phonics" as a kid. i mean, c'mon. it's not their fault their parents didn't buy it for them!
..sorry for the lack of content in my post, ken :)
FotoPlasma
06-10-2003, 00:08
You two are certainly the ones to talk...
Whenever I think of spammers on CD, the first names that come to mind are Ken and Stephanie...
Jeez.
:p
Tytus Gerrish
06-10-2003, 01:01
PHH! ive had enough of this
Brandon, Do me a favour and Close this thing its causing nothing but problems
Gadget470
06-10-2003, 10:52
Why wouldn't it have problems?
Even if it had a shred of seriousness.. it would mean the same teams qualify year after year, unless they quit the competition.
Nobody can really take thread like this seriously.
Originally posted by Gadget470
Nobody can really take thread like this seriously.
Then why are there 3 pages of replies?
Cory
KenWittlief
06-10-2003, 15:37
cause some of us have a sense of humor
and enough humilty to not say someone elses humor is a waste of bandwidth
Tytus Gerrish
06-10-2003, 15:38
Brandon, Where are you?
make this stop
Originally posted by IMDWalrus
I don't like it...especially because we have an even number.
How about we go with an ACTUAL random number generator? :p
Better yet, let's use palindrome numbers - numbers that read the same way forwards and backwards!
I like that...0550 is a palindrome.
EStokely
12-10-2003, 00:32
Lets start with the thread.
Last I checked we were off season..but closing on the next one. We're bored.
Second
quote:
Originally posted by IMDWalrus
Better yet, let's use palindrome numbers - numbers that read the same way forwards and backwards!
Depends on the base, cuz 360 is a palindrome in 12 bit binary!!!!!
Later
KenWittlief
13-10-2003, 17:01
When Dean came to RIT last weekend, he talked about the selection process for the Championship this year.
The key thing he stressed is that FIRST has outgrown the ability to have all teams attend the Championship (obviously)
and FIRST it shifting the focus and emphasis from the Championship to the regionals. They hope to make the regionals as big a event for the students as the championship has been in the past
for several years we needed to travel to get to regionals because there were not enough teams in any given area to hold local events. The national was really frosting on the cake.
But now that we have so many regionals springing up, its possible for many teams to exists on small budgets, attending only the regional in their immediate area - the intention of FIRST is to make it so these teams feel they are every bit a part of the program, as the bigger teams with more funds who can fly to the championship every year.
They are still working on this - so the qualifications criteria has not been posted yet - but look for this new shift of focus in FIRST - look for more emphasis on local regionals, and ways to make it possible for small teams to travel to the championship maybe once every 3 or 4 years.
and remember the ultimate goal of FIRST: a team at every HS in the country. Obviously when we get there it will not be possible for every team to attend the championship - we are in between - growing pains?
How about for every team whose numberes addeds together then squared devided by 2 (just cuz it is a cool number) minus 5 times the 2nd prime number times 5 then minus the first non prime counting number times 5 whose answer is in its self also a prime number then that just means that they must be at the PRIME of theire game if they are that prime! :D
Matt Krass
01-11-2003, 00:18
Originally posted by MisterX
How about for every team whose numberes addeds together then squared devided by 2 (just cuz it is a cool number) minus 5 times the 2nd prime number times 5 then minus the first non prime counting number times 5 whose answer is in its self also a prime number then that just means that they must be at the PRIME of theire game if they are that prime! :D
How about the first 300 teams that make robots that can solve that math problem are automatically eligible?
grillachief05
20-11-2003, 21:53
prime numbers what like what do you mean bye that i am lost:confused:
LBK Rules
06-12-2003, 23:11
"'C' sub-one equals 'r' squared times the natural log of three over the cubed root of 'g.'"
I got that from my favorite FAQ (http://www.odysseyscoop.com/aio_faq.htm). :)
Or they might just make it so quantum computer compatible teams can host their own champ. :yikes:
generalbrando
07-12-2003, 03:40
Oh, a joke. I get jokes.
^^Simpsons^^
I think that the prime number thing would take care of the problem of having too many teams pretty darn well. When we get too big again though I'd suggest going for only prime prime teams. That means that the first, third, fifth, seventh, eleventh, etc prime numbers are selected. If that doesn't make your mind hurt a little - you probably enjoy programming.
Guys... it's just a a joke.
I for one, smiled when I saw it.
FIRST will likely be releasing the qualification criteria sometime soon. We all need to remember that FIRST has received a great deal of feedback from team's on this issue, and they will have likely tried to implement as much of our "meta-criteria" as possible into the final solution.
I will be interested to see exactly how they pull this off.
We've given them a tough problem to solve, and I'm confident they will solve it in a way that is fair to all, and will benefit the program in the long-term.
We all need to keep this in mind, even as we joke about things like this.... and especially after the qualification scheme is released later on.
FYI - all the members of 229 wholeheartedly support the "prime qualification plan". Tytus, it seems like you've got yourself a winner here. ;)
shyra1353
07-12-2003, 10:07
everyone on team 1353 does not like this idea ... for the simple fact that we would not qualify .. how about every number divisible by 3?? that makes more sense .. :)
Arefin Bari
07-12-2003, 14:50
that works for me.... we are 108..... :D
Did I miss something? 108 isn't prime.
shyra1353
07-12-2003, 15:08
Did I miss something? 108 isn't prime.
i think he is referring to numbers divisible by 3
Arefin Bari
07-12-2003, 18:37
durh... :p
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