the 50 point not touching the field rule

[slavik]

If one robot picks up another so that it is no longer touching the field, but also not touching the bar, would you get the 50 points?

[MarcusF]

If one robot picks up another so that it is no longer touching the field, but also not touching the bar, would you get the 50 points?

HANGING – A ROBOT is considered HANGING from the Pull-Up Bar if it is directly SUPPORTED by the horizontal bar and is not touching the carpet, platforms, or goals.


SUPPORTED – If the “supporting object” is removed, the ball would not remain SCORED or CAPPED and/or the ROBOT would not remain HANGING.

i would say no.

[Frank(Aflak)]

right, so most of your weight has to be on the bar . . what if you are hanging from the bar, but your hook (or whatever) is in a postion that leaves you hanging from the bar, but leaning against the verticle pole that supports the bar? I as this because one idea we are kicking around involves performing the chinup from the carpet to the side of the bar. . .

[IMDWalrus]

right, so most of your weight has to be on the bar . . what if you are hanging from the bar, but your hook (or whatever) is in a postion that leaves you hanging from the bar, but leaning against the verticle pole that supports the bar? I as this because one idea we are kicking around involves performing the chinup from the carpet to the side of the bar. . .
I don't think you'd get points for that. The robot has to get up to the bar without using the two poles that support the steel bar; using them for support is also against the rules.

Disclaimer: I've been wrong at least three times when trying to answer questions since yesterday. Don't take me too seriously.

[mpking]

HANGING – A ROBOT is considered HANGING from the Pull-Up Bar if it is directly SUPPORTED by the horizontal bar and is not touching the carpet, platforms, or goals.


SUPPORTED – If the “supporting object” is removed, the ball would not remain SCORED or CAPPED and/or the ROBOT would not remain HANGING.

i would say no.

Darn, there goes that Hovercraft Idea.


Edited because the swear filter made it seem like I said something I didn't

[Anthony Kesich]

The robot must only be supported by the horizontal bar. No robot belieth it. No vertial bar to lean againt it. Basically, if all that was left was the horizontal bar floating macially in the air, would the robot stay in the same place, or would it drop a bit and/or fall? Don't abuse the freedom given to us in the rules this year, or we will end up with giant documents produced by lawyers; take things like they are ment to be taken.

-Kesich

[animater31405]

Let's also talk the common sense safety rule here. Do you think they would REALLY deem that legal? Probably not for the mere fact of instability after the match, and/or damaged robot and/or field pieces due to excess weight.

[Anthony Kesich]

To what are you referring, stacking robots. When commenting on something at the beginning of a thread, please quote or say something to clairify what you are refering to.

-Kesich

[animater31405]

I apologize I was referring to stacking now i am referring to attaching yourselves to the vertical bars.

Look at the technical rule <T-(i think 4?)> it says you cannot attach yourselves to the vertical bars.

[Anthony Kesich]

Is alright, i do the same thing a lot.

not attacking to the verticle bar was either a safety issue, structural issue, or it would just be too easy.

-Kesich

[ErichKeane]

I was just kinda thinkin about this, if all of your wait has to be hanging from the bar, what stops a team from taking a sheet of whatever, and picking up the opponents who are attempting to be on the bar? If they convert all the weight of the other bots to their own bot, they ahve successfully negated the other team's score.

And further more, what is stopping a team from hanging from another bot? IE, bot 1 from red team hangs on the bar, and another one of the bots, whether a blue one parasitically, or another red one, hangs off of this one? that would make it really easy!

And one last point, the bar is "technically" not 10 feet up. the platform underneath it is 12", so its 9 feet. the bot can go as high as 60", or 5 feet. Thats only 4 feet above the bot in some cases, not too hard of a raise to hang!

[Todd Derbyshire]

I was just kinda thinkin about this, if all of your wait has to be hanging from the bar, what stops a team from taking a sheet of whatever, and picking up the opponents who are attempting to be on the bar? If they convert all the weight of the other bots to their own bot, they ahve successfully negated the other team's score.

And further more, what is stopping a team from hanging from another bot? IE, bot 1 from red team hangs on the bar, and another one of the bots, whether a blue one parasitically, or another red one, hangs off of this one? that would make it really easy!

And one last point, the bar is "technically" not 10 feet up. the platform underneath it is 12", so its 9 feet. the bot can go as high as 60", or 5 feet. Thats only 4 feet above the bot in some cases, not too hard of a raise to hang!


Robots being knocked off bars.....I know nothing of this nothing i say muahahahahahahahahahhhahaha

[Frank(Aflak)]

The robot must only be supported by the horizontal bar. No robot belieth it. No vertial bar to lean againt it. Basically, if all that was left was the horizontal bar floating macially in the air, would the robot stay in the same place, or would it drop a bit and/or fall? Don't abuse the freedom given to us in the rules this year, or we will end up with giant documents produced by lawyers; take things like they are ment to be taken.

-Kesich


I know, but what if we winch ourselves up from the carpet to the side of the platform, and just get stuck on the other side of the verticle . .. but it is clear that we are capable of hanging from only the horizontal . . . ?

[ahecht]

And further more, what is stopping a team from hanging from another bot? IE, bot 1 from red team hangs on the bar, and another one of the bots, whether a blue one parasitically, or another red one, hangs off of this one? that would make it really easy!
I believe this happened during the '99 game, and was considered legal

[pauluffel]

I'd say that if you have to use "technically" to explain your interpretation, it's wrong. These rules have been written so that the most explicit rule is the right one.
The 50 points are to be awarded to a robot that successfully hangs from the bar in the center. These points are not for a team that successfully hangs from another robot that happens to be hanging from the bar. If another team is successfully hanging from the bar and you lift them up even higher to where they are entirely supported by your robot rather than the bar, they still get the points, because if you were not there, they would still be hanging from that bar. If you are hanging from the horizontal bar, but happen to be leaning up against the upright (like if you grabbed the central bar from the side rather than from on the rasied pedestral) they'll probably check by moving your robot around the upright to see if it would suspend itself if it were on the middle and away from the uprights.

But that's just my interpretation.

[Mike371]

You can not hang or touch the side of the bars in order to hang. You must be hanging off the vertical bars.

section 7.6
<T04>
Robots may not intentionally

Attach themselves to the vertical pull up system