Legality of reaching over

[Sscamatt]

Are human players allowed to put their hands over the drivers station to drop a ball, say if the mobile goal is right up against the station. Today at the scrimmage it was really had to throw them over without my hand going over and im wondering if FIRST would allow this.

[Joe Ross]

I can't find this referenced in the rules this year, but, in the past, reaching over the top has resulted in a DQ.

[Sscamatt]

Human player from 521 said i should ask a ref at the comp b4 the match. Or if one would post here :)

[ngreen]

I would say it would be the same as reaching outside the ball corral. Remember there are tall robots this year and the plexiglass is only 7 feet tall. Pinched fingers. Ouch.. In the matter of safety I would say "Please keep all hands and feet within the player stations at all time. They did say you could dqed for leaving the player area. And your arms are part of yourself. At least I want to keep it that way.

[Sscamatt]

thanx a bunch for your quick responces

[David Gaylord]

Take a look at G09.
Team members may not extend any part of their bodies into any part of the playing field. Violating this rule will result in the disabling of the team's ROBOT and the team will be disqualified.
Reaching over would be reaching into the field. You may want to try letting the balls roll over the edge, as long as your fingers don't break the plane of the wall.

[Heretic121]

from what i understand your fingertips can not go past the plexiglass over the top of it =D

[EddieMcD]

from what i understand your fingertips can not go past the plexiglass over the top of it =DYeah. Specifically, in years past, it's said that no part of the body could break the plane of the plexiglass. So adressing the original question, if you can maneuver in such a way that you can hold the ball over the playing field without your fingers breaking the afforementioned plane, you'd be okay. I'd imagine they'd be calling it the same way this year, as the only rule I see about it is that <G09> rule that David pointed out.

EDIT
Also, if the robot breaks that plane going the other way, you can't come into contact with it whatsoever (it's one of the safty rules), and I'm pretty sure that superceeds the previous ruling. <G28> was the closest rule I could find, and it does mention specifically breaking that plane (even though it only specifically mentions the ball corral). Technically, since a plane is infinite, that'd include going over the plexiglass. And it's a safety concern anyway, so I'd imagine the refs will take it that way.
/EDIT