re-invention?

[Tom Bottiglieri]

after going to a scrimmage, are any teams deciding to redo their robot in the 4 days befor it ships? They may seem crazy, but i think we are going to try it and see what happens. We were totally off the ball with our strategy this year, and we think we need to to entirely re design and re think everything.

[Joe Ross]

It wouldn't be the strangest thing that every happened. Team 237 completely rebuilt their robot in 2001 after their first regional. Jessica Boucher can probably give you more details, but here is a thread about it: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13106

[Aignam]

after going to a scrimmage, are any teams deciding to redo their robot in the 4 days befor it ships? They may seem crazy, but i think we are going to try it and see what happens. We were totally off the ball with our strategy this year, and we think we need to to entirely re design and re think everything.
What strategy was it, if you don't mind my asking, that proved so unsuccessful?

[Sscamatt]

We don't think controlling the 2x is that big of a deal and that getting 5 point balls to the human player is much better

[Tom Bottiglieri]

grabbing the 2x ball. They seam to be the stacks of last year. Also, we would like to add a hanging feature, it seems like a good idea.

[Aignam]

grabbing the 2x ball. They seam to be the stacks of last year. Also, we would like to add a hanging feature, it seems like a good idea.
Manipulating the 2x balls will probably be excessively successful for those teams who can manipulate them excessively well. Likewise, the strategy will probably be moderately successful for those teams who can perform the task moderately well.

[Sscamatt]

That is true, but you need 5 point balls in the goal to double. So it's a major trade-off

[Tom Bottiglieri]

are you saying that because you have seen the competetion, or becasue you are defending what your strategy is?

[Aignam]

are you saying that because you have seen the competetion, or becasue you are defending what your strategy is?
I'm saying it because most FIRST games are similar in structure. There's always that one key element that can bring a team to the top. You all remember the insane ball collectors in 2002, and the amazing 2003 stackers, don't you?

[Adam Y.]

Seems to me that you would need some way to knock the 2x ball of one of the goals since you need they you can't get any balls in them without removing them.

[ngreen]

I think the 2X will become more important as the game goes on. I expect the finals will be stacked with team that can manipulate the 2x and hang alliances with small ball manipulators, some who might be able to hang. In finals, there is no reason to do everything individual, but do everything collectively very well.

[Sscamatt]

getting balls into the mobile goal is REALLY hard though...i think i only saw some in there a few times at the scrimmage...the stationary goal is so much easier to get balls into

[computhief263]

I'm saying it because most FIRST games are similar in structure. There's always that one key element that can bring a team to the top. You all remember the insane ball collectors in 2002, and the amazing 2003 stackers, don't you?

The 2003 stacking i dont think was nearly as important as the 2002 gather/collecting of balls. Last year my teams robot was based mainly around stacking...and what good did that do?....we could stack 7 high but it s pointless b/c a robot could very easily knock it down.

And from my view hanging from the bar is gonna be like that...goood in theory but very little effect/usefullness in the game. Im thinking that moving/controlling the small balls and controlling the 2x balls will be the most important this year.
jus my thought

[Sscamatt]

I disagree with the hanging being like stacking last year. Every team that hung yesterday at the UTC scrimmage pretty much won the matches they were in. There are so many different things to do in this years game that 2 minutes isnt enough to do it all

[Aignam]

The 2003 stacking i dont think was nearly as important as the 2002 gather/collecting of balls. Last year my teams robot was based mainly around stacking...and what good did that do?....we could stack 7 high but it s pointless b/c a robot could very easily knock it down.

And from my view hanging from the bar is gonna be like that...goood in theory but very little effect/usefullness in the game. Im thinking that moving/controlling the small balls and controlling the 2x balls will be the most important this year.
jus my thought
Granted stacking was a bit overshadowed by plowing last year, I still think hanging will be an essential aspect to winning this year's game. An extra 50 point, 100 if both partners can do it, is a huge advantage.