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CD47-Bot

22-02-2004, 15:39

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Tyler Olds

22-02-2004, 15:41

Well here's the top half of our bot. We are able to catch all 18 balls, and we can still close our arms. Feel free to comment.

For a clip of us catching the balls click here (http://www.nac93.org/MOV00156.MPG) .

We still have to put our siding on. Other than that were done.

Frank(Aflak)

22-02-2004, 15:42

ngreen

22-02-2004, 16:23

SlickChicFallen

22-02-2004, 16:40

That was our initial idea/game plan, lol, but we changed our minds.

Jessica Boucher

22-02-2004, 16:55

That is absolutley gorgeous. That style was my first idea that came to mind right after Kickoff....but it is the kids' decision as to where the final design goes :)

Congrats on getting it to work!

Aignam

22-02-2004, 17:00

How do you get the balls from inside the hopper to inside the corral?

Good job. If you can have that sort of success during most of your rounds, you're going places fast.

Tyler Olds

22-02-2004, 17:01

Amazing. It looks just like I imagined it should. Do you have the autonomous worked out yet? I so wanted to make a robot exactly like this but I don't have enough say. Congratulations on making such a great KISS machine.

T/y for all the compliments. To answer your question regarding autonomous mode, we have the program and will be testing it today. It is quite simple since all we have to do is drive like around 4 feet out and expand. We will be using optical encoders for dead reckoning (and for auto trany).

For the getting the balls out. We have a ball collector that can move the balls out as well.

miketwalker

22-02-2004, 17:15

For the getting the balls out. We have a ball collector that can move the balls out as well.

Is that a 1-roller system? How fast does it work? Good job on the bot.

Ryan Dognaux

22-02-2004, 17:20

ngreen

22-02-2004, 17:39

My question is are you going to park right under the player station at the beginning of the match, and if you do that how will you trigger the release of the balls during Autonomous Mode??

With that the 30 second wait is worth it. Some people won't get a ball in the corral in 30 seconds. I would like to know if they can capture balls from the bottom up (suck them into to their hopper). Or are they just training their HPs really good. A great idea would be to feed the HPs all the balls and then drive in front of the stationary goal to catch balls they miss short.

Jessica Boucher

22-02-2004, 18:00

Also, don't forget to watch out for the DQ of breaking the imaginary line between the playing field and the ball corral :)

jacob_dilles

22-02-2004, 18:01

wow thats amazing are you using pnumatics or motors to move the... bucket?

JVN

22-02-2004, 18:26

Excellent Job!
The ONLY way to do small balls.

I envisioned such a machine, but we didn't have the guts to pull it off this year (We decided on a different philosophy). This looks GREAT. I can't wait to see how well it works, and how many other teams try such a strategy.

Major Kudos,
John

Yan Wang

22-02-2004, 18:46

That's so cool... Awesome bot.

Question: What is at the bottom of the 'bucket' to protect the robot and itself from the impact of 18 balls?

tkwetzel

22-02-2004, 19:09

AMAZING JOB! That is exactly what I wanted to do. It is beautiful and hopefully very reliable. It should get you very far in competition. Best of luck with it.

Beast314

22-02-2004, 19:18

I like it, it's nice to see the old team coming up with new tricks. I'll see you all in St. Louis. Who knows, maybe we'll be working together.

Dan Richardson

22-02-2004, 19:42

Wow, thats awesome, I watched that video and that worked amazing.

I'm glad you guys have had such success, mayb I'll see you guys at nationals again and have late nights playing poker and driving seguways! lol

Opius88

22-02-2004, 20:04

what else can u guys do?? amazing.

Jeremiah Johnson

22-02-2004, 20:17

our original plan was to do something like that too. we also had a crazy idea to use the "wings" to block opponents views. but then we couldn't block views and we abandoned it. because we couldn't pick up big balls.

Katie Reynolds

22-02-2004, 20:34

Ya know, when the concept was first brought up I thought, "Neat idea, but I don't think you have enough weight to work with to do that." But you pulled it off!!

Very, very cool guys! I can't wait to see it in action!! ;) :D

Rickertsen2

22-02-2004, 22:11

I'm terrified
Our bots would og well together though

Jeremiah Johnson

22-02-2004, 22:23

looks as though that the balls roll out through the bottom into the corral when released.

tkwetzel

22-02-2004, 22:34

What competitions are you guys going to? And do you have a good HP to be able to get most of those balls in the goal?

You will be a force to be reckoned with...especially if you get paired with a robot that is able to control a 2x ball and hang.

henryBsick

22-02-2004, 23:19

Wow,

Amazing job on the bot. Exactley how i would have imagined one. Hope you' ve got your H.P.'s trained up for comp. They seems to be a big aspect this year as addresed at kickoff. With your team especially. Good luck, hope to see you at Nat's. :D

Tyler Olds

22-02-2004, 23:29

Alright, I'm going to try to cover all questons/comments poster here.

Is that a 1-roller system? How fast does it work? Good job on the bot.

No we have multiple rollers, look for a pic of our drive and roller system later.

My question is are you going to park right under the player station at the beginning of the match, and if you do that how will you trigger the release of the balls during Autonomous Mode??

Yes we are planning on goign under the players station at the beginning. We do have an alternate uato mode incase needed. However my poll that I posted shows that 60% of the teams that chose a main auto mode, chose goign for bonus ball ( http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25380 ). If the release isnt triggered, we'll either wait or go and do somethign abd come back at the 35 sec mark.

Also, don't forget to watch out for the DQ of breaking the imaginary line between the playing field and the ball corral

Our bot doesn't fit into the corral, and I hope I don't find a way to put it in there.

wow thats amazing are you using pnumatics or motors to move the... bucket?

Pnumatics with "cables" (to hold the top part in place).

Question: What is at the bottom of the 'bucket' to protect the robot and itself from the impact of 18 balls?

There is proper shrowding to protect the impact, no damnage is done. Beneigh the bucket it our frame with our ball collector and drive.

I like it, it's nice to see the old team coming up with new tricks. I'll see you all in St. Louis. Who knows, maybe we'll be working together.

It will be good to see you in St. louis. Maybe the rookies (me) can teach the verteran's something :p .

I'm glad you guys have had such success, maybe I'll see you guys at nationals again and have late nights playing poker and driving seguways! lol

YES!!! That was a ton of fun! Go in between (I mean we would never gamble at all on a school trip).

what else can u guys do?? amazing.

We are able to collect balls, also we are planning on being able to grab the goal.

Ya know, when the concept was first brought up I thought, "Neat idea, but I don't think you have enough weight to work with to do that." But you pulled it off!! [/COLOR]

Very, very cool guys! I can't wait to see it in action!!

Thanks KT, I wish you could be here with us, I miss you!

looks as though that the balls roll out through the bottom into the corral when released.

Like I said above, we have a ball collector beneigh that where our balls will come out as well, so they won't fall out.

What competitions are you guys going to? And do you have a good HP to be able to get most of those balls in the goal?

You will be a force to be reckoned with...especially if you get paired with a robot that is able to control a 2x ball and hang.

We are going to St. Louis, Midwest, and the championship. We are hoping for a bot that can atleast go for the bonus ball and hang from the bar. I wish we had to weight to put on a hanger, however 2 years ago we won the quality award for a bot that used the KISS principle, and I think we can do that again.

Our hp today shot 46 for 46 in less than a minute and a half that includes bending down for the balls and picking them up for himself.

Thanks to everybody that posted, any more questions keep asking. Look for more pictures soon.

nuggetsyl

22-02-2004, 23:30

mhmmmmm well i can say that our robot can that from happening however i do not want to play you at all. Nothing is beyond our reach (2000 saying) :D opps that was a hint

ZACH P.

22-02-2004, 23:41

My team did/is doing the same thing. Only we're not quite finished yet. :yikes: I hope ours works as well as yours seems too.

Tyler Olds

22-02-2004, 23:48

mhmmmmm well i can say that our robot can that from happening however i do not want to play you at all. Nothing is beyond our reach (2000 saying) :D opps that was a hint

Well either this means that you block corrals or you block bonus ball. Or could it be something else. If it is one of those two I think that we'll be alright.

Natedude

23-02-2004, 03:20

Aaron Lussier

23-02-2004, 03:26

I also suggested this to my team at the beginning of the year, they thought it was not possible to hold all the balls with out falling over... I should show them your video. Great Job can't wait to see you guys at Nats.

-Aaron

Solace

23-02-2004, 05:51

so basically, the only way to stop you guys would be to wack off YOUR bonus ball before you can get in position. and to do that a robot would need an autonomous mode that takes less than a second or so. ouch.

Gabe Salas Jr.

23-02-2004, 08:13

Impressive Funnelbot! I have to say great jorb. <=== that was intentional

It would be nice to see a video on how your robot delivers those balls into the Ball Coral. Again, just amazing! :D

KenWittlief

23-02-2004, 08:22

nobody has asked the scary question yet?

are you going to use your superbot for good or evil???

in other words, which side are you going to park that thing under?

your side or your opponents side? :ahh:

ngreen

23-02-2004, 08:38

The secret is that you must have an autonomous that blocks their alliance from knocking off the bonus ball. From there you must sacrifice yourself to by stopping them from getting in a position to catch the balls. They have casters, they can be pushes. EDIT: Oops, wrong bot, w/ or w/o caster you must have a robot that can push them /EDIT Do this and you can win. So to win you need a robot that has a faster/strong enough robot to be there alliance and keep them from the bonus ball. You need a harasser bot strong enough to push them. And it would be nice to have the other bot be able to hang. If the get all the balls most everyone is in trouble. Otherwise you need a fast robot that will keep them from dumping their load.

KenWittlief

23-02-2004, 09:06

wow! these guys are nice enough to show a photo and video of their machine weeks before the first regional

and now you are ganging up online to devise strategies against them?

Hows this for a strategy - they have a super way to capture their 18 balls when they drop - I dont see any thing to grab the 2X ball, and I dont see anything to do a chinup with

so if you want to beat them, build a machine that can outscore them - they WILL be master of the small balls on their side of the field, but there are two other ways to increase your own score.

besides, at the end of the match, if they loose, your score will be = their score, so devising a way to prevent them from scoring is a loosing strategy for you in the long run.

BTW - team 93 - nicely done!

nuggetsyl

23-02-2004, 09:35

Well either this means that you block corrals or you block bonus ball. Or could it be something else. If it is one of those two I think that we'll be alright.
blocking corrals is cheezy in my eyes but we still may use that only if we had to

Andy Baker

23-02-2004, 10:35

New Apple Corps is at it again. Great job, guys! This is an awesome design.

Andy B.

Joe Matt

23-02-2004, 10:51

The $64,000 question: Does it have to be dead on to catch all the balls? Or can it be off a foot or more on either side and still catch them all? You never know with autonomous mode.

Also, good bot. Hope to see you at Champs. I think you and Spark 5 would be good partners. :)

Mike Soukup

23-02-2004, 11:49

Great job as always Team 93. If you can reliably catch & deliver all 18 balls to the HP you'll be first on many team's lists, if not a top seed.

Do you sense in autonomous if the hopper is full and drive over to your chute, or do you wait until driver control? If you can do it in autonomous you'll be even more dangerous.

Good luck this year, and see you at MWR.

OneAngryDaisy

23-02-2004, 12:24

mindboggling... you guys are truly scary- Do you have some kind of brake or something? I can just imagine the times when your partner doesnt have an autonomous, right at 40 seconds you're going to get pounded by an opponent.. (not trying to diss you or be negative, i'm in awe, just curious if you have a device to prevent this)

Tyler Olds

23-02-2004, 12:39

what do you do if the balls get dropped before you are deployed?

I'm not trying to suggest that any robot capable of driving in a straight line during autonymous mode could render your primary function moot, just that... oh wait, that is what I'm suggesting.

uber fubar

-N~O~

p.s. My last name is Olds as well. I'm sure you find this bit of minutia highly entertaining. And this post was done by a teammate of mine too lazy to setup a login, not me, i just wanted to say hi.

To be honest I do not for see balls ropping before we go under the chute, I mean if we go to ours it will take what 1 second?
P.S. You mean there are other Olds' out there?

Impressive Funnelbot! I have to say great jorb. <=== that was intentional

It would be nice to see a video on how your robot delivers those balls into the Ball Coral. Again, just amazing!

Pictures and videos will be posted within a week.

nobody has asked the scary question yet?

are you going to use your superbot for good or evil???

in other words, which side are you going to park that thing under?

your side or your opponents side?

We will have to see, however the most logical thing would be to park it under our own. However we can do both.

wow! these guys are nice enough to show a photo and video of their machine weeks before the first regional

and now you are ganging up online to devise strategies against them?

Hows this for a strategy - they have a super way to capture their 18 balls when they drop - I dont see any thing to grab the 2X ball, and I dont see anything to do a chinup with

so if you want to beat them, build a machine that can outscore them - they WILL be master of the small balls on their side of the field, but there are two other ways to increase your own score.

besides, at the end of the match, if they loose, your score will be = their score, so devising a way to prevent them from scoring is a loosing strategy for you in the long run.

BTW - team 93 - nicely done!

Thanks Ken, your comment kinda reminded me of Andy's soap box post (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=223202#post223202) (which btw I had to help the old man get down from). Also thanks for putting positive imput.

New Apple Corps is at it again. Great job, guys! This is an awesome design.

Andy B.

Thanks Andy, can't wait to see your bot as well!

The $64,000 question: Does it have to be dead on to catch all the balls? Or can it be off a foot or more on either side and still catch them all? You never know with autonomous mode.

Also, good bot. Hope to see you at Champs. I think you and Spark 5 would be good partners.

Great job as always Team 93. If you can reliably catch & deliver all 18 balls to the HP you'll be first on many team's lists, if not a top seed.

We can be off about 6"-9" on either side. At a foot we miss 1-2 balls which is fine anyways.

Do you sense in autonomous if the hopper is full and drive over to your chute, or do you wait until driver control? If you can do it in autonomous you'll be even more dangerous.

Good luck this year, and see you at MWR.

Thanks a lot Mike, we do not have a sensor, it would be nice however I don't think it’s needed mainly because your adding complexity to the auto mode.Looking forward to seeing you at MWR as well.

mindboggling... you guys are truly scary- Do you have some kind of brake or something? I can just imagine the times when your partner doesnt have an autonomous, right at 40 seconds you're going to get pounded by an opponent.. (not trying to diss you or be negative, i'm in awe, just curious if you have a device to prevent this)

We do not have a brake, it was discussed, but we have no where to put it. We will probably drive around til like the 35 sec mark than move back under. It is pretty easy to position it under the release. Also we can be up to 1/1/2 feet from the wall and still catch all 18.

Thank you once again to everybody, I'll be posting many more pics and videos most likely on Thursday or Friday.

Ricky Q.

23-02-2004, 13:07

Looks hot! These darn WI teams are good, I wish that stupid 269 would post pics of their bot, oh wait :p

tkwetzel

23-02-2004, 15:07

bigqueue

23-02-2004, 15:38

Awsome robot design....we had something like this on the drawing board, but we changed horses and went to another concept.

I still like that idea, and think you will do quite well with it.

I hope to see you at the competition.....

Good luck,
-Quentin
:D

Tyler Olds

23-02-2004, 16:03

I want to see a match where they catch the balls from both sides. If they get under theirs...and it drops during auto mode...and the other side doesn't drop until the 45 sec. mark. I'll be watching for it. Can you get the first 18 out fast enough to be under the other ball drop at 45 sec?

Again...great job.

We wouldn't need to get all 18 out, I am guessing that our collector can hold 30 balls with our arms open.

That would be the optimal match though for us.