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All Innovation First websites, including IFIrobotics.com (http://www.ifirobotics.com), seems to go to 4-post-racks.com (part of racksolutions.com) now. http://www.innovationfirst.com/FIRSTRobotics/ just gives me a 404 error.
Has IFI left the robot business? Is there anywhere else to download the RC documentation?
Bcahn836
09-04-2004, 21:55
strange
Rob Colatutto
09-04-2004, 21:57
Thier website works fine for me. http://www.innovationfirst.com/FIRSTRobotics/
And so does the documentation section. Possibly contact Mike Walker and he could help you with the documentation if you can't get to it.
That site doesn't work for me anymore. I think they are having website problems because none of those links off the 4-Post-Racks website work.
Maybe one of their racks fell over... :ahh:
Bcahn836
09-04-2004, 22:06
That site doesn't work for me anymore. I think they are having website problems because none of those links off the 4-Post-Racks website work.
Right click the site and click save target as. then it should work. it worked for me.
http://www.innovationfirst.com/FIRSTRobotics/
hope this works for you.
Nope it is telling me it isn't there.
Very odd indeed. No, it doesn't work for me either. And the site it redirects me to is having problems with its links. Perhaps its working for you because you have it cached in your browser? Try refreshing the page ... does it still come up?
i will contact one of the IFI guys now about the site but at this point if you need any of the documents or anything that was on there contact me at mdessingue[at]nycap.rr.com (with the [at] = @) and i wil get you the document asap.
Joe Ross
09-04-2004, 22:32
Most likely, they just changed something and the DNS needs time to propogate.
Rob Colatutto
09-04-2004, 22:34
Could possibly be something that IE doesn't like, I am using Mozilla Firebird and am able to view thier page just fine and read the documentation. I would try a different browser if your having problems.
Joe Ross
09-04-2004, 22:38
Could possibly be something that IE doesn't like, I am using Mozilla Firebird and am able to view thier page just fine and read the documentation. I would try a different browser if your having problems.
Nope, not it, as I'm using Mozilla.
Can someone that it is working for post the results if they ping innovationfirst.com?
Edit: We already established that DNS propogates very slowly to clarkson (see the SOAP thread), so I'm sure that's it. Joel can reach it also.
So they just updated their DNS record, and haven't moved the site yet.
Could possibly be something that IE doesn't like, I am using Mozilla Firebird and am able to view thier page just fine and read the documentation. I would try a different browser if your having problems.
No, I'm using Opera (also tried IE) and it still doesn't work (as of 10:37 I just tried again).
NOTE:
If anyone needs the docs, I've put what I have online for download. THe sysadmin seems to have changed around all my permissions, hence the delay. If it helps, try this (http://www.nhgs.tec.va.us/~mrawls/robot/docs/) .
(Edit: I can add the default code if need be--though I imagine by this point most people should have that squared away! I think I'll be wondering off to sleep for now, though.)
Ted Boucher
09-04-2004, 23:10
This is very strange. Maybe it is a advanced, secret clue to next years game. :D
MikeDubreuil
10-04-2004, 07:49
If you try browsing the website you get all kinds of errors. I think their web server went to hell in a hand basket. Hope they have a backup :eek:
Astronouth7303
10-04-2004, 11:48
I just found out about this today. It's really freaky. I tried pinging them, as follows:
C:\>ping www.innovationfirst.com
Pinging www.innovationfirst.com [216.173.227.141] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 216.173.227.141: bytes=32 time=73ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.173.227.141: bytes=32 time=67ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.173.227.141: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.173.227.141: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=49
Ping statistics for 216.173.227.141:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 67ms, Maximum = 73ms, Average = 69ms
If anyone can help (LIKE IFI), please do.
PM'd them. Innovation FIRST (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/member.php?u=2298).
xxmaddjxx
10-04-2004, 18:54
the pings are comming back fine, sounds like something with the DNS to me
Greg McCoy
11-04-2004, 19:15
It appears to be okay to me now...
Most likely, they just changed something and the DNS needs time to propogate.
Joe's probably dead on about what went on, if they changed their DNS info sometimes it can take quite a while for all the DNS stuff to set. A good site to test stuff out is www.dnsstuff.com (Alan Anderson (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/member.php?u=6348) showed me this one :) )
MikeDubreuil
11-04-2004, 20:14
It appears to be okay to me now...
Joe's probably dead on about what went on, if they changed their DNS info sometimes it can take quite a while for all the DNS stuff to set. A good site to test stuff out is www.dnsstuff.com (Alan Anderson (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/member.php?u=6348) showed me this one :) )
I would bet that this is not a DNS issue. I think it's an Apache configuration issue. If you stop being so technical and just try to browse the site, you will find that it's just not working correctly.
IFI uses a single server with the IP address 216.173.227.141 configured with multiple virtual hosts. It's an Apache config error.
Bcahn836
11-04-2004, 20:31
Since innovation first is down, isn't it kinda too late to order spare parts? Just wondering?
Joe Ross
11-04-2004, 22:30
I would bet that this is not a DNS issue. I think it's an Apache configuration issue. If you stop being so technical and just try to browse the site, you will find that it's just not working correctly.
IFI uses a single server with the IP address 216.173.227.141 configured with multiple virtual hosts. It's an Apache config error.
Mike, I might buy that as the only explanation if it worked the same for everyone. However, since Clarkson sees the old site and is known to have slow updateing DNS, that's why it works for those people but not anyone else.
However, you are correct that there is a server misconfiguration on the site that the new DNS record points to.
Billfred
11-04-2004, 22:34
Mike, I might buy that as the only explanation if it worked the same for everyone. However, since Clarkson sees the old site and is known to have slow updateing DNS, that's why it works for those people but not anyone else.
However, you are correct that there is a server misconfiguration on the site that the new DNS record points to.
Could it be the cache?
Joe Ross
11-04-2004, 22:42
Could it be the cache?
Possibly, except that multiple people from one university is affected, but no one else is.
i tried to email one of the ifi reps about this problem but due to their email being [a]innovationfirst.com ([a]=@), it was sent back to me sayng the inbox could not be found. I will try to make a few phone calls tomorrow and hopefully this can be resolved.
P.S. does anyone else now see the innovationfirst.cm main page and ifirobotics.com back now???
P.S. does anyone else now see the innovationfirst.cm main page and ifirobotics.com back now???
Yeah. The website was back yesterday thus the reason why I think it probably sever problems since I still can't get past the main page.
Bharat Nain
11-04-2004, 23:54
This just gives me an idea to download all the files and FAQs just incase. So hopefully if this happens next time, I will host the files on Team 25's website. I do have many files now, but not in a position to host them. I hope those of you need can get in touch with Innovation First. Feel free to ask me if you need any files...
-BN
i tried to email one of the ifi reps about this problem but due to their email being [a]innovationfirst.com ([a]=@), it was sent back to me sayng the inbox could not be found. I will try to make a few phone calls tomorrow and hopefully this can be resolved.
P.S. does anyone else now see the innovationfirst.cm main page and ifirobotics.com back now???
Yes, the email server appears to be down.
I've been trying to get in contact for a few days now.
I'm sure they are aware of the problem, and will fix things, if there is an emergency, perhaps you should call IFI at (903) 454-1978. Otherwise... deal with it, and be patient.
John
The main site is up, but http://innovationfirst.com/FIRSTRobotics/ and http://innovationfirst.com/eduRobotics/ are still 404 Not Found.
MikeDubreuil
12-04-2004, 04:17
You guys are right that Innovation FIRST has switches IP addresses. According to Netcraft (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=innovationfirst.com) IFI has switched web hosts between April 5th and 10th. However my ISP COX@home's DNS is resolving the correct address of 216.173.227.141.
Performing a lookup on Innovation First's name server comes back with:
; <<>> DiG 9.2.3 <<>> @ns1.sbcidc.com innovationfirst.com
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 62996
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;innovationfirst.com. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION:
innovationfirst.com. 900 IN A 216.173.227.141
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
innovationfirst.com. 900 IN NS ns1.sbcidc.com.
innovationfirst.com. 900 IN NS ns2.sbcidc.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns1.sbcidc.com. 86400 IN A 216.65.193.34
ns2.sbcidc.com. 86400 IN A 216.65.209.34
;; Query time: 70 msec
;; SERVER: 216.65.193.34#53(ns1.sbcidc.com)
;; WHEN: Mon Apr 12 03:14:24 2004
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 128
It looks like the transition from Windows/MS IIS to Linux/Apache was not a pretty one. I'm still calling this one an Apache configuration error ;)
Andy Brockway
12-04-2004, 08:09
It appears that their 2003 address is working, http://www.innovationfirst.com/firstrobotics/
MikeDubreuil
12-04-2004, 08:14
It appears that their 2003 address is working, http://www.innovationfirst.com/firstrobotics/
Looks like someone at IFI didn't know that Apache is case sensitive :eek:
Kevin Sevcik
12-04-2004, 09:15
I just pulled up the standard address. http://www.innovationfirst.com/FIRSTRobotics/
Can someone else confirm this so everyone can know that it's working again?
The main IFI site and the FIRST sub site both appear to be back in working order.
Bcahn836
12-04-2004, 09:37
Yes it does work
http://www.innovationfirst.com/FIRSTRobotics/
Nothing seems different, does it?
Kevin Sevcik
12-04-2004, 09:59
I have discovered that the FAQ is broken, so it's still not in 100% working order, just mostly so.
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