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Joe Ross
04-06-2004, 14:40
Division 3 consists of the following people:
Joel J.
Karthik
JVN
Andy Grady
Tom Schindler
Koko Ed
Joe Ross
This is a closed division, we aren't accepting anyone else. Invitations were done by PM. This is being done a little bit differently then FIRST Fantasy has been done in the past. with the differences below.
Less people then teams. Since there are 42 teams, with 4 rounds and 7 people, there will be 14 teams that aren't drafted. That way people don't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for their last pick.
Entry fee. There was an entry fee, like I proposed in the FIRST fantasy suggestions thread after nationals. Invited people needed to PM me your first 10 choices. The list didn't have to be their final list, but it shows that they've done some thinking. Also, they had to nominate one more person they would like to invite.
No fall back list. In the past, if you weren't availible, you got the best team availible from a list of the teams with the best records. I think we have enough time to be able to do a full live draft, and I'd like to do that. If for some reason someone doesn't show up for a while, and there are several other people waiting to pick, that position will be skipped and they can pick for their spot as soon as they come back from any remaining teams.
If you would like to participate in this type of closed division for IRI, send me a pm. Some things that I will consider is how active you are on chiefdelphi, how you've done in previous FIRST Fantasy events, and whether you are heavily involved in strategy or scouting. Think of that PM as a way to prove you can play with the big boys ;).
On to the draft order. Rounds 1 and 3 are unique and rounds 2 and 4 are the reverse of 1 and 3.
Round 1:
1. JVN
2. Koko Ed
3. Joel J.
4. Karthik
5. Joe Ross
6. Tom Schindler
7. Andy Grady
Round 2:
8. Andy Grady
9. Tom Schindler
10. Joe Ross
11. Karthik
12. Joel J.
13. Koko Ed
14. JVN
Round 3:
15. Andy Grady
16. Joe Ross
17. Karthik
18. Joel J.
19. JVN
20. Tom Schindler
21. Koko Ed
Round 4:
22. Koko Ed
23. Tom Schindler
24. JVN
25. Joel J.
26. Karthik
27. Joe Ross
28. Andy Grady
For those participating. Remember that this is a live draft, so we need to make sure we get at least two picks done a day to be done in time. If you won't be around for a while, I will accept your list of picks via PM (or for the first round or two, you can tell me to use the list from your entry fee). However, I won't pick for you unless you tell me to.
Let the picking begin! JVN, you're up first.
Andy Grady
04-06-2004, 15:05
Oh boy, let the battle of the ego's begin! JVN, this is your chance to back your mouth up and surpass the true strategy king of FIRST...ME! (HA!...Like that will ever happen!). You've been dreaming of this day buddy...BRING IT. The Evil Empire is comming full force!
-Andy Grady
P.S. Don't think I forgot about the rest of you, I'll make sure I wave to you on my way to the top! ;)
Think of that PM as a way to prove you can play with the big boys ;).If this is for the big boys, how did JVN and Grady get in here? ;)
Let the trash talking begin.
Andy Grady
04-06-2004, 16:30
If this is for the big boys, who did JVN and Grady get in here? ;)
Let the trash talking begin.
Ah, Karthik, the young and upcoming star...and the only person who deserves double the points for spelling his name right on the SAT's. Its quite funny considering that when we were all making our suggestions for who to invite into the league, your name was suggested by the majority of us. You must understand...we see alot of promise in your ability...so we must crush your ego before you end up like JVN, struggling to get your head out the door.* ;)
(* - Or like me, struggling to get my head out the Airline hanger!)
Tom Schindler
04-06-2004, 16:48
Ah, Karthik, the young and upcoming star...and the only person who deserves double the points for spelling his name right on the SAT's. Its quite funny considering that when we were all making our suggestions for who to invite into the league, your name was suggested by the majority of us. You must understand...we see alot of promise in your ability...so we must crush your ego before you end up like JVN, struggling to get your head out the door.* ;)
(* - Or like me, struggling to get my head out the Airline hanger!)
Andy-- as one of the "big boys", i think you would know that canadians do not take the SATs....
time to clear a spot in the losers bracket for grady "eh"?...
Tom
My first pick will be...
126 - Gael Force
Sorry Grady...
John
Andy Grady
04-06-2004, 17:05
To help things a little bit, I'll do what they were doing in division 1.
JVN - 126
Koko Ed - On the Clock
Joel J.
Karthik
Joe Ross
Tom Schindler
Andy Grady
Teams Remaining:
61, 69, 88, 96, 121, 125, 131, 134, 140, 155, 157, 166, 173, 175, 176, 177, 181, 190, 222, 228, 236, 237, 238, 467, 549, 562, 571, 596, 782, 809, 839, 1027, 1071, 1099, 1100, 1124, 1257, 1277, 1289, 1307, 1350
Oh, lol.. I had draftpicks (http://joelster.com/draftpicks.php) running, at the request of Joe R.
Andy Grady
04-06-2004, 17:15
Oh, lol.. I had draftpicks (http://joelster.com/draftpicks.php) running, at the request of Joe R.
Great merciful crap Joel! Thats way better than mine!
....too bad fancy websites don't win Fantasy FIRST championships...I do! :D
Great merciful crap Joel! Thats way better than mine!
....too bad fancy websites don't win Fantasy FIRST championships...I do! :D
Oh yea? Its on, buddy!
Andy-- as one of the "big boys", i think you would know that canadians do not take the SATs....
time to clear a spot in the losers bracket for grady "eh"?...
Tom
The only thing we know for certain is that no one from a yooo-teeee-seee team is gonna take this thing. We should have considered some sort of handicap for you poor souls.
Personally, my money is on myself. But that's because I only take safe bets.
Joe Ross
04-06-2004, 17:54
The only thing we know for certain is that no one from a yooo-teeee-seee team is gonna take this thing. We should have considered some sort of handicap for you poor souls.
What about the lone west coaster?
What about the lone west coaster?You have a strong tie in your life to NY state, which as everyone knows, gives you a natural advantage in any contest.
No sympathy.
I have an idea.. after we post our pick, we say who is next on the list.. like for example, in place of my previous post I would say:I choose team 571. Karthik, you are up!In doing that we won't have to keep looking at the big list.
Joe Ross
04-06-2004, 18:02
You have a strong tie in your life to NY state, which as everyone knows, gives you a natural advantage in any contest.
No sympathy.
Does that negate Joel's UTC affiliation? Or is his NY tie not strong enough, yet.
Andy Grady
04-06-2004, 18:03
What about the lone west coaster?
There is a west coast? ;)
I pick team 1114...
Oh yeah, this competition only has American teams. In that case I'll take 69.
Joe Ross, you're up.
Joe Ross
05-06-2004, 00:03
I pick team 222. Tom Schindler, you're up next
Tom Schindler
05-06-2004, 02:18
I pick team 222. Tom Schindler, you're up next
I want 61...
Grady, you're up... go get em eh?
Tom
Andy Grady
05-06-2004, 07:07
The Evil Empire selects team 236 the Techonoticks. Grady, you strategy geek, you are up next!
Andy Grady
05-06-2004, 07:08
Oh look, its me again, I'll take 173. Mr. Schindler, you are up next!
Tom Schindler
05-06-2004, 10:01
looks like 121 is still available-- i'll snatch them up before joel does...
Joe-- your next
Tom
Joe Ross
05-06-2004, 10:19
looks like 121 is still available-- i'll snatch them up before joel does...
That's who I wanted...although I figured Grady would get them, since he does nothing but brag about how good they are.
I'll take 181. Karthik, you're up next.
Andy Grady
05-06-2004, 15:44
That's who I wanted...although I figured Grady would get them, since he does nothing but brag about how good they are.
Yeah, I was going back and forth between 173 and 121. I still think that 121 is top notch, and they will fare very well at Battlecry. I just feel that the big equalizer in this competition will be the small balls. Rage paired up with another ball + hanging robot would be one of the few answers to stopping the offensive juggernauts that are 571 or 126. They are my "X-Factor" team, and I'm sticking to them!
Crap!
I was hoping the boyz from Rhode Island would last until my second pick!
Good steal.
I'll take 177. Joel, you're up.
After much debate...
I'll go with 176 - Aces High.
Our friends from Windsor Locks won't let me down.
Grady, you're up buddy.
Andy Grady
06-06-2004, 19:08
After much debate...
I'll go with 176 - Aces High.
Our friends from Windsor Locks won't let me down.
Grady, you're up buddy.
You shmuck! Stole them right out from under my nose!
I'll take my good friends from team 131...CHAOS!
Mr. Ross...its your turn!
You shmuck! Stole them right out from under my nose!
I got similar comments from Mr. Johnson and Mr. Schindler.
You know what they say... may John win... or something like, may the best man win... something along those lines.
Andy Grady
06-06-2004, 19:30
I got similar comments from Mr. Johnson and Mr. Schindler.
You know what they say... may John win... or something like, may the best man win... something along those lines.
The only thing you will be winning is laughs from the rest of us when you are sitting at the bottom of the pile. After all is said and done, the only thing you will be seeing underneath peoples names will be the words "I AM ANDY GRADY!" Eat the Evil Empire's dust my friend!
Joe Ross
06-06-2004, 19:30
You know what they say... may John win... or something like, may the best man win... something along those lines.
I prefer may the best man win...where Joe is defined as the best man.
I'll break the 4 digit barrier and take 1099. Karthik is up next
I pick 782. Joel is up next.
157. John's next?
So Joel now has 571, 175 and 157. Too bad there's no more permuations of {1,5,7} coming to battlecry.
Joe Ross
07-06-2004, 02:41
So Joel now has 571, 175 and 157. Too bad there's no more permuations of {1,5,7} coming to battlecry.
You scare me.
Tom Schindler
07-06-2004, 09:39
134
You're up Tommy.
I'll take 228 -- GUS, great bot often overlooked!
KokoEd-- You've got the next two picks...
Tom
I will take team # 88 and team 125.
Tom Schindler
07-06-2004, 17:00
last pick-- 839 -- Johnny boy you're next...
Tom
Johnny boy you're next...
467.
Just gotta have faith.
Take it Joel.
JOHN! Why? ....
1100. Karthik, you are up.
JOHN! Why? ....
1100. Karthik, you are up.
Cuz man... sometimes ya just gotta take a risk.
I was looking at 839, then Tommy 2 shoes snagged em.
1100 was up there too.
JOHN! Why? ....
1100. Karthik, you are up.
John picked 467? Umm, okay...
I'll take 562. Joe is up next.
Joe Ross
07-06-2004, 21:37
I'll take 596. Andy Grady has the last pick.
Andy Grady
07-06-2004, 21:59
To close out the draft, I will select the highly underrated ball plow from team 1307.
Let the games begin...
Joe Ross
07-06-2004, 22:19
One last decision.
Since we went 4 rounds instead of 3, should we drop the worst team (no matter the draft position) for each person, so results can be compared to other divisions, or stay with our 4 teams each.
One last decision.
Since we went 4 rounds instead of 3, should we drop the worst team (no matter the draft position) for each person, so results can be compared to other divisions, or stay with our 4 teams each.
Dropping the worst team is a cop-out!
We've all made our decisions, and now we should all have to live (or die, in Grady's case) by them.
Andy Grady
08-06-2004, 09:33
Dropping the worst team is a cop-out!
We've all made our decisions, and now we should all have to live (or die, in Grady's case) by them.
I agree with John, lets keep the #4. I will not be dying by my 4th though! I'll put 1307 against any one's 4th any day! You are just jealous of my ability to select dark horses.
Beyond that, any analysis on the teams?
Who will be named the true FIRST Strategy God?!?!
Under 2 weeks left until we find out.
Joe Ross
08-06-2004, 11:26
Tom asked that scoring be done both ways, I think he's looking for any advantage that he can get ;)
I probably should have asked this before the draft, but how exactly are we scoring this thing? In the same way as the previous FF competitions, or are we tossing in some new wrinkles.
Also, are we going to be wagering anything here, other than our pride?
As for the analysis of the teams...
Well, I think they're all pretty evenly matched. The only thing I know for sure, is that I'm the best looking of all the GMs. Oh yeah. :cool:
"I've got more clothes than Muhammad Ali, and I dress so viciously..."
Also, are we going to be wagering anything here, other than our pride?
In the spirit of the competition--
I'd be willing to put down something.
Team shirts?
I already have a 229 shirt Joel, so when I win, you'll have to find something else to give me.
125 is out.
Ed, who's your #2, #4? ;)
Andy Grady
09-06-2004, 13:06
In the spirit of the competition--
I'd be willing to put down something.
Team shirts?
I already have a 229 shirt Joel, so when I win, you'll have to find something else to give me.
I'll be happy to put up one of my 2004 Gael Force Shirts!
Joe Ross
09-06-2004, 13:07
I'm in for the team shirt. However, I won't be giving up my only 1405 shirt, but I have plenty of team shirts from year's past.
Ed, you can choose from any of the remaining unpicked teams. http://joelster.com/draftpicks.php has the list, in case you need it.
Maybe I'll get Grady to owe me more then just a case of coke ;)
In the spirit of the competition--
I'd be willing to put down something.
Team shirts?
I already have a 229 shirt Joel, so when I win, you'll have to find something else to give me.
I got a pasty 2002 Red and Black X-Cats shirt I'll trade (not the much cooler 2003 and 2004 bolder color versions).
BTW I'll take 238.
Joe Ross
17-06-2004, 10:52
Looking at the updated list http://www.wpi.edu/News/Events/BattleCry/warriors.html and the other threads, 69 and 1099 have dropped out.
We have a few options, as I see it. Karthik and I can pick again, which puts him at a huge disadvantage, since he's replacing a #1 pick with a #4 pick. Or, we could drop the worst performing robot for him, and so his worst robot would be 69. Or, we could Just drop 69 from him, and take his other three robots as an average.
Thoughts?
Heretic121
17-06-2004, 16:41
tom just a heads up we dont have a hook =D so you might want to trade us lol... (hook is looking VERY slim, its not working ATM, but we have an old design we might try... we shall see... its a heads up to all FF players =D)
Looking at the updated list http://www.wpi.edu/News/Events/BattleCry/warriors.html and the other threads, 69 and 1099 have dropped out.
We have a few options, as I see it. Karthik and I can pick again, which puts him at a huge disadvantage, since he's replacing a #1 pick with a #4 pick. Or, we could drop the worst performing robot for him, and so his worst robot would be 69. Or, we could Just drop 69 from him, and take his other three robots as an average.
Thoughts?
No matter what, I end up at some sort of disadvantage with the loss of my number 1 pick. It's all good. I'm content with just taking the average of my three teams, and seeing how they do.
No matter what, I end up at some sort of disadvantage with the loss of my number 1 pick. It's all good. I'm content with just taking the average of my three teams, and seeing how they do.
Actually.. even with a handicap, you still win. Results are coming!
Ok. To determine the scores of each player, I calculated the score of each robot chosen. The method used was nothing knew, I just doubled the number of wins and added any ties. Due to the fact that I was watching the elimination rounds, I knew which robots were out on the field in each match; therefore, only those robots received win points when their alliance won.
Teams 782, 571, 596, 181, and 177 received byes for the eighth finals. Since it would be unfair to not include that level of play in their totals, they all received win points as they theoretically won those matches.
With teams dropping out at the last minute, Karthik and Joe were given handicaps. We didn't really come to a concensus as to how the handicaps were to be handled, so I calculated the scores as though the missing teams won zero matches. I did this just to see if there would be any wide gaps, etc, that would negate the need to augment the scores. And indeed there was, so...
The spreadsheet I used is attached. You can check the results for yourself.Rank Player 1st Pick 2nd Pick 3rd Pick 4th Pick Score
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1 Karthik 69 177 782 562 59*
2 Joel J. 571 175 157 1100 59
3 Joe Ross 222 181 1099 596 42**
4 Tom Schindler 61 121 228 839 35
5 Andy Grady 236 173 131 1307 32
6 Koko Ed 237 190 88 238 31
7 JVN 126 176 134 467 24* 69, had they shown up, would need to tie in one round
in order for Karthik to win. And I think they were more than
capable of doing that.
**1099, had they shown up, would need to win 9 matches
in order for Joe to get 2nd place. To tie for second place,
1099 would need to win 8 matches and tie the last.
Cue the Queen people.
Imagine that, a Canadian winning the "big boys" division of Battlecry Fantasy FIRST. It was a struggle competing with all you Northeasterners, but as always I rose to the challenge. I guess my natural talents and immense prognosticating skills shone threw in the end. (or i was just really lucky, but whatever...)
BTW, I wear and prefer a size small, but I'll take whatever shirts you guys have. :)
I've paid my dues, time after time...;)
Andy Grady
21-06-2004, 06:27
Cue the Queen people.
Imagine that, a Canadian winning the "big boys" division of Battlecry Fantasy FIRST. It was a struggle competing with all you Northeasterners, but as always I rose to the challenge. I guess my natural talents and immense prognosticating skills shone threw in the end. (or i was just really lucky, but whatever...)
BTW, I wear and prefer a size small, but I'll take whatever shirts you guys have. :)
I've paid my dues, time after time...;)
Have to give credit where credit is due. Karthik...you goofy canadian, congrats! The upcomming strategy star has finally made is mark! Good job buddy!
-Andy Grady
Joe Ross
21-06-2004, 15:54
Karthik has chosen a 1999 Beachbot shirt from me.
However, he says it would be prohibitively expensive to ship to Canada. Are any of you going to IRI, and would let me ship you the shirt to give to him there?
Has there been a final teams list for IRI? Would you guys be interested in another round?
Infinite Props to the Canadian Wonder Kid...
I dread the day I end up on the opposite side of the field from you.
Karthik has chosen to receive a 2005-229 shirt.
Another IOU for my pile.
I'm game for an IRI round.
Anyone else?
John
Yea. I'm up for an IRI round.
Karthik, what do you want? John has already offered the 229 shirt.
Andy Grady
21-06-2004, 20:05
count me in for IRI
I dread the day I end up on the opposite side of the field from you.
I don't know, you seemed to enjoy that practice round at Long Island way too much. I recall you smiling and waving to me as you kept us of the bar... (Who plays defense in a practice round?...)
Karthik, what do you want? John has already offered the 229 shirt.
A 2004 Clarkson shirt would be great, or even something that you might have kicking around from your 173 days.
And yeah, I'm up for an IRI round.
(Who plays defense in a practice round?...)
Sorry man, couldn't help myself.
It was just tooooo easy.
Your purty little robot practically blocked itself.
Besides, if I recall, you DID pick us for our defensive abilities. We then won a Gold Medal playing defense. Weird. ;)
I don't suppose theres room for one more in this league for IRI? The FIRST addiction is starting to creep back into my brain....if not no bigge.
Chris Carne
229
I don't suppose theres room for one more in this league for IRI? The FIRST addiction is starting to creep back into my brain....if not no bigge.
Chris Carne
229
Gentleman,
Let the kid play. He's one of the brightest FIRSTers out there, and one hell of a strategist.
I would yield my spot to him in a heartbeat.
John
jeremy562
22-06-2004, 12:14
Karthik, I'm glad 562 was able to help you beat these losers! :p
Joshua May
22-06-2004, 12:19
Any chance you guys'll let me in for IRI?
Jessica Boucher
23-06-2004, 11:00
Karthik has chosen a 1999 Beachbot shirt from me.
However, he says it would be prohibitively expensive to ship to Canada. Are any of you going to IRI, and would let me ship you the shirt to give to him there?
Has there been a final teams list for IRI? Would you guys be interested in another round?
Joe is sending me Karthik's shirt to bring to IRI, so if anyone else who isn't going needs it to get there, let me know and I'll give you my address.
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