pic: Woohoo! I've got an ipod!

[CD47-Bot]

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[D.J. Fluck]

Does this mean that iPod is going to be given to John? :p

[Amanda Morrison]

You have GOT to be kidding me.

I MUST GET ONE.

[Brandon Martus]

Is this the result of Steve Wozniak attending FIRST competitions?

[KyleGilbert45]

Welcome to the club..... :cool:

http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/iamaclone45/ipod.gif


EDIT: looks a little too scratched up to be brand new....but hey mine looked like that a week after I had it so oh well...

[Franchesca]

Wow!! :yikes: That is definitely awesome.

Just think about it ... with that form of identification if its gets lost or gets stolen ... its a sure bet to retrieve it! :)

I like the idea of putting my name or some kind of phrase on my properties in order to identify them! I'll keep that in mind for when I get MY ipod! ;)

[Joshua May]

This is going too far... :rolleyes: That's just hillarious.

[Ryan F.]

Sad......very sad.

[Melissa Nute]

I so hope this picture is fake.

[Dorienne]

That...is...classic! Purely fun entertainment. Made my day..
--Dori

[Heretic121]

the engraving from the pic DOES look real, as it looks the same depth, and color of the apple etchings, (with new ipods you can get free etchings so... hmm..) teh fake? or teh real!?! =D

btw... welcome to the club indeed... cept i still win because mine is metalic blue =P

[Clark Gilbert]

the engraving from the pic DOES look real, as it looks the same depth, and color of the apple etchings, (with new ipods you can get free etchings so... hmm..) teh fake? or teh real!?! =D

btw... welcome to the club indeed... cept i still win because mine is metalic blue =P
Hmm, I'm wondering if this is Brandon's new iPod. I know he recently (past few months) purchased a 40gb, and for some reason I have a hard time believing Andy would own a 40gb iPod :) Oh well, still funny.

[David Kelly]

You have GOT to be kidding me.

I MUST GET ONE.

PHOTOSHOPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!! :ahh:

[D.J. Fluck]

PHOTOSHOPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!! :ahh:


Yeah, the "engraving" looks a little bit crooked :p

Nice try, Andy & Brandon :D

[Amanda Morrison]

Can anyone prove it's photoshopped? I thought it was too until I found out that you can get them engraved now... now I'm starting to wonder...

[Brandon Martus]

I can safely say it is not mine.
I had nothing to do with this.

I will provide proof if necessary.

[Melissa Nute]

I think Andy Baker is trying to bring back "I am JVN"...since it will never die.

[Jay H 237]

Can anyone prove it's photoshopped? I thought it was too until I found out that you can get them engraved now... now I'm starting to wonder...


To answer Amanda's question........YES! I don't know about "I am John V'Neun" being added in but that photo WAS modified (Photoshopped) before being submitted to CD-47 Bot. Look at the bottom of the ipod. All the writing is legible except for the serial number so someone definitely blurred it out. So it could very well be possible that "I am JVN" was added in.

Sometimes you just have to study the photo carefully. ;)

[Astronouth7303]

Can anyone prove it's photoshopped? I thought it was too until I found out that you can get them engraved now... now I'm starting to wonder...
Anyone live near Andy Baker?

[Heretic121]

Look at the bottom of the ipod. All the writing is legible except for the serial number so someone definitely blurred it out. So it could very well be possible that "I am JVN" was added in.

Sometimes you just have to study the photo carefully. ;)

i concur with your good eyes, but as you said possible =D... i see no reason why or how it could be photoshopped, where you can see that there is depth to the engraving of it... and you can still send in ANY ipod for 25-50 bucks and get it engraved... so i feel 95% sure its the real deal...

[Brandon Martus]

Proof: http://www.pubarso.com/misc/notmyipod.wmv

Windows Media Video showing my iPod, reflecting in the light. No engraving.

[Max Lobovsky]

Maybe its just my eyes, but I think I can see significantly worse compression artifacts around the "I am JVN" suggesting that it was added to an existing jpeg and recompressed. The text also looks different in general on close inspection. If it was a fake, it was simply white text overlayed the picture. It was a good choice of picture though...

[jgannon]

I call BS. The engraving on my iPod is not nearly that thick.

That doesn't mean it's not funny. :)

[D.J. Fluck]

Anyone live near Andy Baker?

I live 5 minutes from him, but I dont see this as a reason to go bother him....

Proof: http://www.pubarso.com/misc/notmyipod.wmv

Windows Media Video showing my iPod, reflecting in the light. No engraving.


You went to way too much effort to prove that...lol

[DCA Fan]

I dunno what's worse, the fact that you made that video or the fact that I actually downloaded it to see what was on there......

[Jay H 237]

Hmmmm, maybe the ipod belongs to CD47-Bot. He has remained awfully quiet on this. Instead of changing the custom user title to "I am JVN" like scores of us did he decided to out do us all and get an ipod engraved! :rolleyes: Or atleast make us think it with Photoshop.

The only bad thing about getting something like that permanently done is you have to ask yourself "What will you do if JVN winds up not being cool anymore?!" :ahh: Although we all know there's no chance in that happening! :D



P.S. I am well aware that the 'Bot ain't human. ;)

[Ben Lauer]

THE CD47-BOT isn't human?!?!?!? Oh man...I have been the one giving reps for all those cool pics it posts!!

J/K By the way...who ever is don't that...it cracked me up when it's rep was higher than mine!

And sorry for posting off topic.

[Andy Baker]

Anyone live near Andy Baker?


LOL... I do! :)

As for the ipod...

You guys are on the case, I see. I'll admit, there is a twist. One person has nailed it already.

Andy B.

[Ryan F.]

Anyone noticed that the ipod is all scratched up on the back, when they claim it's "new". Heck, my new one :D has absolutely no scratches after 2 days.

[Amanda Morrison]

Hey now... in my defense, I'm not completely old and blind... I can tell with the blurred serial number that it was photoshopped, but I'm having trouble seeing the engraving photoshopped. Can anyone blow it up or anything?

p.s. - How the heck could the Pig Farmer learn to use photoshop?! I think he was crazy enough to actually order one.

p.p.s. - who said it was new?

[Rich Kressly]

Hey Baker, what exactly does the Delphi Corporation pay you to do out there this time of year? After a long FIRST season which includes time away from those beautiful daughters and lost time at work, I'd figure a guy like you is waaaaaaaaay too busy to spend time on something that is usually reserved for a ninth grader with no summer job and no girlfriend/boyfriend.

Oh, and the ninth grader can probably do a better job with the Photoshop work. :) :p

Can't you just feel the love.

[David Kelly]

Maybe its just my eyes, but I think I can see significantly worse compression artifacts around the "I am JVN" suggesting that it was added to an existing jpeg and recompressed. The text also looks different in general on close inspection. If it was a fake, it was simply white text overlayed the picture. It was a good choice of picture though...

we have a winnner! DING DING DING!! It's totally a recompressed image with text layed over it.


I've got a $10 bet with somebody on this that it is fake, so I want proof. :cool:

[Amanda Morrison]

I bet DK $10 that it's real. I hope him (and whomever else wants to take a bet) are prepared to buy my meals at Kickoff.

I have thoroughly examined this and have determined that it must be real because:

-I think the camera's quality explains the text.
-I think that Andy couldn't possibly photoshop something that well (no offense)
-I think that since I found out about them etching the iPods for free, he would do something this crazy
-I think someone could talk Andy into doing something this crazy. I NEVER doubt the insanity of pig farmers.

Bets are open. :)

[Rich Kressly]

Sigh

So not only is the most esteemed WFA winner ever goofing off with Photoshop, but two of the most esteemed college members of FIRST are making side bets (cough - illegal gambling - cough) about said work. I believe the off season can officially be over now :)

[Amanda Morrison]

It's just a small, friendly wager on the wrongness of the CD Community. ;)

I tried really, really hard and couldn't find photoshop lines... I dare anyone else.

p.s.- I just looked at Kyle Fenton's iPod, and I think it's funny that the font is the exact same... although Kyle's is blurry, I still maintain that it's not photoshopped.

[Billfred]

Sigh

So not only is the most esteemed WFA winner ever goofing off with Photoshop, but two of the most esteemed college members of FIRST are making side bets (cough - illegal gambling - cough) about said work. I believe the off season can officially be over now :)
...so if the off-season is over, and the pre-season can't start until school starts (a smidge over a week for 1293, not to mention the info meetings), where are we?

WE'RE LOST IN AN ABYSS OF THE FIRST CALENDAR! HELP!

[Andy Baker]

Hey Baker, what exactly does the Delphi Corporation pay you to do out there this time of year? After a long FIRST season which includes time away from those beautiful daughters and lost time at work, I'd figure a guy like you is waaaaaaaaay too busy to spend time on something that is usually reserved for a ninth grader with no summer job and no girlfriend/boyfriend.



I had a tough conversation with my 5 year old today. She said "why are you at work so much?" That kinda tore me up. I said "You are right. I have been working too much lately." So, we out for ice cream tonight. Tomorrow night, we will have some other fun.

I have been putting in 12 hour days for the past month, which stinks because it is nice outside. We (me, 2 other engineers, and 4 stilled tradesmen in my department) just got done shipping a fully-automated robot to our Milwaukee plant, for the calibration and test of our latest Engine Control Modules. The robotic cell incorporated an EPSON Scara 65S robot (http://www.robots.epson.com/products/e2srbts.htm). On the head of this robot, it had 3 festo cylinders, 1 keyence bar code scanner, 1 Schunk gripper, and 1 ATI tool changer, weighing 6.5 lbs. It was neat to watch, once we got it working. At full speed, it sounded like a Pachinco game. We went from design to shipping in 5 weeks. And it has to run 2 shifts a day when installed. Now, I gotta make sure all of my prints are right, because production wants 4 more.

And... I am trying to start this side business thing, which takes up my evenings, after the kids get to bed.

It's August already? Wasn't it May last week... yikes!

So... with all of that said, a guy has got to have fun. "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy." OK... back to work.

Andy B.

[Kyle Fenton]

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/pics/bin/109158733587.jpg
This is my 4g iPod with a real engraving.


The iPod looks real, but the text looks fake. The text is too clear and to big. But good job though.

[Arefin Bari]

Andy Listen's to metal? :ahh:

[Kyle Fenton]

Anyone noticed that the ipod is all scratched up on the back, when they claim it's "new". Heck, my new one :D has absolutely no scratches after 2 days.

I have had mine for a week and it is scratched up and has a bunch of notable fingerprints. It must be the kind of metal they use. But I can clean it off pretty easy.

p.s.- I just looked at Kyle Fenton's iPod, and I think it's funny that the font is the exact same... although Kyle's is blurry, I still maintain that it's not photoshopped.
Yeah my digital camera doesn't have a macro option, so it needs a minimum distance to be clear.

[Ben Lauer]

I am going to have to back up Amanda here, even though this may prove to be wrong.

I am a photoshop ignorant, but if you look at the over all image you can see things in the reflection that kinda look like ceiling panels. These lines go directly through the text, which makes me think that it is real. As for it being crooked, if you align the text with the bottom it looks strait, but if you align it with the top it looks crooked, I think this is because of the glare of the flash.

[D.J. Fluck]

I can prove the photo is fake. I took a look at the advanced properties of the picture file

http://www.thedjshow.net/liar.jpg

Baker's camera is a Cannon A-60...

According to the properties, the picture was uploaded from a Nikon E5000....

Edit

Case is still open...

I think its pretty safe to say the iPod does not belong to Baker.....

So its time to prove the engraving is fake

[KyleGilbert45]

Just to back DJ up, I also took a screen shot of the advanced properties.

http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/iamaclone45/andy.png

Look they used Adobe Photoshopped 7.0

[Andy Baker]

I can prove the photo is fake. I took a look at the advanced properties of the picture file

...

Baker's camera is a Cannon A-60...

Brandon Martus owns a Nikon E5000.......

According to the properties, the picture was uploaded from a Nikon E5000....

Case Closed :)

OK, Perry Mason, here are a couple of rebuttals to that stroke of genius:

Maybe I got a new camera too.
Maybe it's my ipod, but not my camera.


Andy B.

[D.J. Fluck]

OK, Perry Mason, here is one for ya: Maybe I got a new camera too. What is your answer to that?

Andy B.

That camera was discontinued a long time ago :)

[Ben Lauer]

nice try andy...i think you lost. unless.....

you drove up and met brandon half way so he could take a picture in a Wendy's somewhere on the 31 bypass around South Bend. That way when DJ and Kyle looked it up they would be fooled.


DJ...hello?!?1 EBAY!!!

[Andy Baker]

That camera was discontinued a long time ago :)

You don't realize the prowess my wife has on ebay.

touche'

AB

[Kyle Fenton]

Just to back DJ up, I also took a screen shot of the advanced properties.

http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/iamaclone45/andy.png

Look they used Adobe Photoshopped 7.0

That doesn't mean anyting. I use Adobe Photoshop Elements 2 to import the pictures from my camera. As for the camera he could of changed the EXIF data to fool you.

[Amanda Morrison]

ebay?

also... I have a question for you guys. Wouldn't it also show photoshop as the program used, since the serial number is blurred out?

Doesn't that mean that it could still be a real picture? ;)

[Max Lobovsky]

And EXIF data can be easily edited, they might just be screwing with you. 'Course I believe it was edited, just playing devil's advocate :)

[Mike Schroeder]

I think its real.... and i want 10 bucks too DK :p

The Big Mike has spoken so it must be real


if people start saying they are big mike i'll run away

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Since it was made at 1am, I'm inclined to believe it's fake. Someone was staying up late having some fun.

However, when I opened the picture in notepad and sorted though the rubbish, the photoshop:History' tag was empty. Meaning it wasn't tampered with. Anyone else got anything?

[Heretic121]

didnt andy upload the photo??? but i guess that doesnt mean anything =P
but Amanda probably made the best point for the real side, and im definatley going to stick with my original desicion, and say that its real...

Maybe it is JVN's!?! i mean... he hasnt posted in this thread yet =X

[Ryan F.]

Why would someone have an ipod with a blurred out serial number....if it's the real picture? .... Anything you want to be telling us andy?? :ahh:

[Joshua May]

Allright, you guys have to look at this logically. In Post #28, Andy said that there is a twist, and that someone had previously posted the correct answer. Reading through the posts, I've found the following that seem relevent:

Brandon said in Post #4 said that it could be the work of Steve W
Clark Gilbert said it could be Brandon's iPod
David Kelly said it was Photoshoped
DJ said that Andy and Brandon conpsired and that the engraving seems crooked
Max Loblovsky said there could be strange compressions in the file.

Now, to rule out some of these. DJ looked back at the image, and it seems that the crookedness could be the result of the glare.

Max's eyes were tired, and I don't see any weird compressions.

Brandon has shown off his iPod, so we know that it isn't his iPod if the image is real.

We have proved that the image went through Photoshop, at least for the blurring of the serial number.

So it's either photoshopped, or Steve W had something to do with this, I'm thinking it was Steve, Canadians are tricky like that. ;)

[CrazyCarl461]

In Post #28, Andy said that there is a twist, and that someone had previously posted the correct answer.
In that case, DJ also suggested that the iPod might be given to John. Maybe it's one heck of a gift from one nice guy to another. I've met Andy before, and I believe he would do that for a cool guy like JVN. Or at least John can hope that is the scenario.

[Rich Kressly]

I had a tough conversation with my 5 year old today. She said "why are you at work so much?" That kinda tore me up. I said "You are right. I have been working too much lately." So, we out for ice cream tonight. Tomorrow night, we will have some other fun.

I have been putting in 12 hour days for the past month, which stinks because it is nice outside. We (me, 2 other engineers, and 4 stilled tradesmen in my department) just got done shipping a fully-automated robot to our Milwaukee plant, for the calibration and test of our latest Engine Control Modules. The robotic cell incorporated an EPSON Scara 65S robot (http://www.robots.epson.com/products/e2srbts.htm). On the head of this robot, it had 3 festo cylinders, 1 keyence bar code scanner, 1 Schunk gripper, and 1 ATI tool changer, weighing 6.5 lbs. It was neat to watch, once we got it working. At full speed, it sounded like a Pachinco game. We went from design to shipping in 5 weeks. And it has to run 2 shifts a day when installed. Now, I gotta make sure all of my prints are right, because production wants 4 more.

And... I am trying to start this side business thing, which takes up my evenings, after the kids get to bed.

It's August already? Wasn't it May last week... yikes!

So... with all of that said, a guy has got to have fun. "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy." OK... back to work.

Andy B.

As always I am humbled. Side business? Need a PR guy? ;) By the way, I love the Perry Mason references - anyone here under the age of 25 know who Andy is talking about? *Checks birth certificate - sigh*

[JVN]

Whoa! Andy I didn't think you'd actually go through with it!!!

I've been swamped at work for the past few days, and didn't see this thread until now.

Okay... seriously now, here is the back story from my point of view:
Andy and I were talking one night, and we were joking around about iPods. He told me he was thinking of getting one for long car rides, and long days at work designing. (Brief aside: who here has ever spent 12 hours at a CAD terminal? *raises hand* who thinks it's better with music? *raises hand*)

We were browsing, and then joking about the free engraving. (I think the original joke was "Put Andy on Survivor") I told him if he had any balls, he'd put "I am JVN" on there... he laughed. That was the last I heard of it...


Then.... I see THIS thread.

Seriously... someone suggested it is a gift for me.
I like that idea. Andy, any chance you'd be willing to donate your iPod to a poor college FIRST dork? ;)

Cool Stuff man,
Technology comes to Indiana. ;)

JV


PS - as far as having my name on Andy's iPod goes, I think it's pretty funny, and pretty darn cool.

[Jessica Boucher]

I think...







...that this is a pretty darn good replacement for "Type your username with your...". Quite amusing, if you ask me.

Baker, just like I told Rich Wong last nite, you need to learn a new word: Starts with a "V", ends in a "n", has "acatio" in the middle. Both of your families will love you for it. I think you're on the right track with your evening-vacations. :)

[Brandon Martus]

Ok, Andy PM'd me last night about how the image gallery resized the picture he uploaded. We do that to save space and whatever, but in this case high-resolution would be better. So since there is so much debate about if this ipod is real or not, I'll upload the picture so everyone can see the high-res version that Andy e-mailed me:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/misc/ipodhires.jpg

[David Kelly]

Ok, Andy PM'd me last night about how the image gallery resized the picture he uploaded. We do that to save space and whatever, but in this case high-resolution would be better. So since there is so much debate about if this ipod is real or not, I'll upload the picture so everyone can see the high-res version that Andy e-mailed me:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/misc/ipodhires.jpg

After seeing that, I think I might owe somebody $10 :( :mad:

[Stephen Kowski]

you people are starting to scare me....this is like a cabin fever, but for chief delphi....

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Now the question has become, Why was andy up so late?

[phrontist]

If you really want to prove it, shoot a short video clip in which you rotate the iPod side to side, turn it over in your hand, pass your hand over it, etc.

[Arefin Bari]

Now the question has become, Why was andy up so late?


Andy was Up till 2 o'clock in the morning helping me with something... and i am very sure that he wouldnt be able to work on photoshop when he was helping me out...

[Mike Schroeder]

As always I am humbled. Side business? Need a PR guy? ;) By the way, I love the Perry Mason references - anyone here under the age of 25 know who Andy is talking about? *Checks birth certificate - sigh*

*checks birth certificate* oh whoa im under 25... in that case yea i know who your talkin about

[Karthik]

Is this the result of Steve Wozniak attending FIRST competitions?

Brandon said in Post #4 said that it could be the work of Steve W

....

So it's either photoshopped, or Steve W had something to do with this, I'm thinking it was Steve, Canadians are tricky like that. ;)
Okay, just to clear things up a bit.

Steve Wozniak = Co-Founder of Apple Computers
Steve W = Steve Warren, FIRST Announcer, Team 188 Mentor, Karthik's Arch Nemesis

Despite the fact that our Steve W has plenty of delusions of grandeur, even he has yet to claim the founding of Apple.

[Joshua May]

Okay, just to clear things up a bit.

Steve Wozniak = Co-Founder of Apple Computers
Steve W = Steve Warren, FIRST Announcer, Team 188 Mentor, Karthik's Arch Nemesis

Despite the fact that our Steve W has plenty of delusions of grandeur, even he has yet to claim the founding of Apple.

Oh yeah, that's what happens when I think too late. :yikes:

[MattK]

Wow the smaller one looks PSed but this high-res one looks pretty darn real. Why dont you post a new picture of the ipod from a different angle and better lighting.

[Brandon Martus]

Okay, just to clear things up a bit.

Steve Wozniak = Co-Founder of Apple Computers
Steve W = Steve Warren, FIRST Announcer, Team 188 Mentor, Karthik's Arch Nemesis

Despite the fact that our Steve W has plenty of delusions of grandeur, even he has yet to claim the founding of Apple.
I too was confused, and had to go back and see what I said about Steve W (from Canada)

[Jon K.]

Someone would have to be very good at PS to get the lettering to look like that. Altho depending on how it was engraved(laser etched or really engraved) it would leave different markings and that looks like something a cnc machine or something of the like would probably etch because of the way the letters start and end.

[Mike Schroeder]

so then there is your answer, Hedi Did it, her and her crazy PS pictures of me as an Oompa Loompa
:p

-Big Mike
Im not afraid of Hedi

[Greg Ross]

Why dont you post a new picture of the ipod from a different angle and better lighting.
Obviously, because it would be much harder to get the "engraving" to match the new angle. :p

[Mike AA]

As always I am humbled. Side business? Need a PR guy? ;) By the way, I love the Perry Mason references - anyone here under the age of 25 know who Andy is talking about? *Checks birth certificate - sigh*


I know who Perry Mason is, its been a while. I'm 21

[JVN]

Okay... so now that the "fun" has ended, and this thread has died down a little, I guess I can reveal the truth...
(You have no idea how funny this was for me).

It's MY iPod.
I decided to order one of the new G4 iPods.
When I saw the free engraving offer, I was just going to put my name, but someone suggested putting my new "catchphrase" ;), and I couldn't resist.


Yes, it's real.
The engraving, is real.
The iPod, is real.
Yes, that picture was photoshopped. -- I didn't want my serial number posted.
I also used Photoshop (yes, at 1AM) to crop the picture, shrink it and send it to Andy.
Andy graciously jumped right into this little prank. As some of you know, I do things like this from time to time (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21444). I hope you all had as much fun as I did. ;)
At least, I only do this stuff in the summer, right? ;)

Ohh, one more thing. Those of you who "knew" it was fake, and cited all these various reasons (I'm looking at you DJ, silly-silly DJ.) are just too clever for your own good (ha).

Sometimes, the most obvious solution is the right one.


Go back to your regularly scheduled viewing.

Your Friend,
Johnny V

PS - Andy Baker is the man. But you already knew that.

[David Kelly]

:mad:



Okay... so now that the "fun" has ended, and this thread has died down a little, I guess I can reveal the truth...
(You have no idea how funny this was for me).

It's MY iPod.
I decided to order one of the new G4 iPods.
When I saw the free engraving offer, I was just going to put my name, but someone suggested putting my new "catchphrase" ;), and I couldn't resist.


Yes, it's real.
The engraving, is real.
The iPod, is real.
Yes, that picture was photoshopped. -- I didn't want my serial number posted.
I also used Photoshop (yes, at 1AM) to crop the picture, shrink it and send it to Andy.
Andy graciously jumped right into this little prank. As some of you know, I do things like this from time to time (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21444). I hope you all had as much fun as I did. ;)
At least, I only do this stuff in the summer, right? ;)

Ohh, one more thing. Those of you who "knew" it was fake, and cited all these various reasons (I'm looking at you DJ, silly-silly DJ.) are just too clever for your own good (ha).

Sometimes, the most obvious solution is the right one.


Go back to your regularly scheduled viewing.

Your Friend,
Johnny V

PS - Andy Baker is the man. But you already knew that.

[Jeff Waegelin]

:mad:

Owe someone some money, DK? ;)

[David Kelly]

Owe someone some money, DK? ;)

Once again, little miss morrison plots against me, makes a bet, and i believe it. Somebody's gonna get it.... GRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[Amanda Morrison]

I never agree to a bet I can't win... see here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18732).