So many versions of Linux, what do I do!!! [Archive]

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Ashley Weed

03-10-2004, 16:45

Rafi A

03-10-2004, 16:51

well, this may not be exactly what you're looking for, but there is a version called Knoppix that boots from a CD, if you want something that's not permanent and will help you get the feel for it a little bit. By the way, I know very little about linux, but knoppix is pretty cool. As for firefox, there is a version you can download for linux. Also, as for Instant messenging, there is a program similar to Trillian called gAIM. Good luck
Forgot to add: Knoppix is based on Debian, which is one of the major distros, some other major ones are Red Hat, Mandrake and SuSe.
You can search for the right one here (http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html)

CmptrGk

03-10-2004, 17:34

one of the people on another forum that i go to has a very good guide to getting started with linux.

http://www.ramsinks.com/linux.aspx

sanddrag

03-10-2004, 17:40

I installed Mandrake Corporate Server Linux once and got it to serve html documents and it worked fairly nicely as a usable workstation OS. It took forever to install because there are so many options with the setup. A lot of the terminology used during the install was very unfamiliar to me. Anyway, it had a nice GUI but you need a bunch of software of course, in order for it to really do much. And I don't really know anything about Linux, so it was difficult at first.

evulish

03-10-2004, 17:43

Linux on laptops can be a problem sometimes, as I know that's what you have. Especially new laptops. The best solution is usually googling for your laptop model followed by 'linux'. Usually someone will have tried this beforehand and maybe even posted what worked/didn't work online somewhere.

Many browsers are available in Linux.. including Opera, Netscape, Mozilla, and especially Firefox (the most popular). Gaim is also the most popular IM client for Linux. It's a multi-client IM, so it's pretty much like Trillian. In fact, the Gaim team and Trillian share their work occasionally (I remember Trillian figure out how to get around Yahoo!'s block and let Gaim in on the secret) Gaim is also the base for many other IM clients (including Adium for OS X). Webcams can be a bit tricky to get working. It really depends on the camera itself.. because most companies don't release Linux drivers for things like that and the Linux community depends on people to reverse-engineer the technology to release drivers. Many webcams use the same chipset so one driver will work for dozens of different cams.

There are some great dev IDE's for all different sorts of stuff. It's common to just use text editors for development of all sorts but there are also bigger things like Bluefish and KDevelop that are both popular. There are thousands of Linux programs at www.freshmeat.net and www.sourceforge.net .

Knoppix is a great distro to try out but not the best to totally base Linux on. Mandrake, Fedora, SuSE and Debian are all good distros (my favorites being Debian and SuSE).

A few good resources are:
www.distrowatch.com - latest updates on all the distros and a few reviews.
www.justlinux.com - great linux forum I used to populate (biggest one I know of)
www.linuxquestions.org - Another linux forum

MikeDubreuil

03-10-2004, 18:00

I am an officer in the Linux User Group at my school. I would reccomend you stay with one of the major distributions first. Particularly one that is suited for new users such as Mandrake or SuSE. Once you get comfortable in Linux than you can try other distributions.

Aignam

03-10-2004, 18:02

In my experience, Red Hat's Fedora is the best choice for your first time with Linux.

More information at http://fedora.redhat.com/.

gobeavs

04-10-2004, 02:44

I started out with Mandrake. Mandrake 10 is very good for newbies. The install is easy, and it comes with a lot of the software needed to get going. If the machine you are putting it on is of decent speed (>1ghz, 128mb RAM) it should run it fine. Most of the distros that are user-friendly are pretty hefty on they system (Red Hat, Mandrake, etc). The one problem I found with Mandrake was I didn't find any dependency/software solver. Basically, most of the software you download needs another library that you have to download. That library may need another piece of software...etc. With Mandrake you have to get all that and install it manually, with Debian and Slackware a lot of it is done for you. This only pertains if you need to install additional software though...

Now that I've gone way overboard, I'll just say...go with Mandrake. But remember...Linux is not Windows. It will take time to get used to it. I found installing things to be the hardest to get used to since you can't just click on some setup app...its all text-based :ahh:
That is...unless you use a package manager. But that is another post :) .

NoodleKnight

04-10-2004, 03:58

In my experience, Red Hat's Fedora is the best choice for your first time with Linux.

More information at http://fedora.redhat.com/.

I second that, I've used Fedore Core 2 a few times and like it very much. My server uses RedHat 9.0 which also was a great O/S, but its old software now. RedHat 9 and FC 1&2 come with a gui-install mode; also it comes with multiple setup-options; like workstation, server, home, laptop, etc...
All the other distro's are just as great too; I know a friend that uses Mandrake 9 for his server, I've used knoppix as a boot-from-CD linux (great if you wanna use linux at school or similar places). I always thought that SuSE had some $$$ involved, but I guess there's a way to download it.

From my experience RedHat has been the best for me; as for programs like a browser and chat client, most of it comes with the whole Redhat package. For other software, usually it'll take a bit of work to find a program, but 9 times out of 10 its better than the microsoft counter-part. Sure linux is a tad harder to use, but its worth it. If you still need windows you can always install a windows emulator, or wine (which oddly stands for: Wine Is Not an Emulator). If you have an extra hard drive partition, or just a bunch of free space, you can install redhat onto the same drive that has windows, making it a dual boot system. It uses the GRUB Boot loader, which prompts you which O/S you want to use during startup.

Raven_Writer

05-10-2004, 18:15

I've used Knoppix (versions 3.5x), SUSE 9.1 Personal, & I'm going to install Mandrake 10 as soon as I can reformat my computer.

I really love Knoppix, because if you do like it, you can just install it onto the HD, and dual boot (there's more info at http://www.knoppix.org I believe the website is).

SUSE 9.1 Personal is pretty good, I like it atleast. What I like about it is that it's actually fast on my 500 MHz Intel Celeron 2 year old HP computer w/ 64 MB of available RAM (oh...my...gosh...I don't know I remember that all).

I'd say go with Knoppix, but SUSE also has a LiveCD version if you want to try that out. It's got a pretty good speed, and it comes w/ a graphical boot loader & also comes with GRUB.

evulish

05-10-2004, 21:37

SUSE 9.1 Personal is pretty good, I like it atleast. What I like about it is that it's actually fast on my 500 MHz Intel Celeron 2 year old HP computer w/ 64 MB of available RAM (oh...my...gosh...I don't know I remember that all).

You might want to give Debian a shot. It can be one of the quickest distros out there. (I moved from SuSE to Debian years and years ago).

Wait.. a 500mhz Celeron should be a bit more than 2 years old..

gobeavs

06-10-2004, 00:12

You might want to give Debian a shot. It can be one of the quickest distros out there. (I moved from SuSE to Debian years and years ago).

I tried Debian to see if Apt-Get was any good...I got past the bad installer by using one of the test versions (sarge), but it still didn't recognize my network connection (I tried 2 different ones, on board and add in). So now I'm a slacker :cool: .

Ashley Weed

06-10-2004, 08:52

I've been playing around with SuSe 9.1 from the Live CD in my free time. It easily boots, and runs. My wireless connection was easily found, and I enjoyed that a multi-server chat client was already installed. I had a problem with the display, but I have found a forum for my computer so all should be well with that.

My next project coming up: deciding how to divvy up this hard drive of mine. :p

Thanks for all the help everyone!

evulish

06-10-2004, 10:32

I tried Debian to see if Apt-Get was any good...I got past the bad installer by using one of the test versions (sarge), but it still didn't recognize my network connection (I tried 2 different ones, on board and add in). So now I'm a slacker :cool: .

Yeah, but just because it didn't autodetect your NIC doesn't mean it won't work. Network connections are generally easy to set up.

gobeavs

06-10-2004, 18:30

Yeah, but just because it didn't autodetect your NIC doesn't mean it won't work. Network connections are generally easy to set up.

Worked like a charm in Slackware :D. Plus the error message that it couldn't find the network kept appearing over and over during the install and really made it difficult. I'm doing fine with Slack now, and Swaret does what I need it to do, so I'm fine. I may try Debian again in the future though.

scitobor 617

08-10-2004, 23:16

I started out on Mandrake 9.2 then Upgraded to Mandrake 10. I moved to Linux so that I could host websites for fun and later for profit. My site can be found at http://nullagent.no-ip.com when my computer is on :) . Mandrake is great for newbies, 10 is very easy to install but will not work on all hardware. Installing a program on Mandrake is very easy when using RPM packages but next to impossible if you try to compile a program from the source. I am now finding it restrictive as it has many dependencies and I am now planning a move to Knoppix or Gentoo. Gentoo is a cool distro but I would not recommend it for the faint of heart, or those that may be tempted to go back to a M$ operating system.

Ashley Weed

21-03-2005, 12:25

gobeavs

25-03-2005, 19:52

Its time to revive a very dead thread of mine.....

I have to finally give in, and decide how I want to run Linux. I had been working with the Live CD. However, I'm "moody" and my computer is even "moodier" so, I'd really like to not have to make it run from a CD.

a) Do I have to completely remove everything to partition my HD, in order to place Linux on the HD? When I do this, can I place the Live CD version on the HD or will I have to obtain another version? Or is it simple, and I can just keep everything the way it is (WinXP OS), and partition my Linux area.

No, just defrag your hard drive to try to get all of your data near the beginning, and during most linux installs you can just cut off some free space from the end of your windows partition and use it for linux. There are not gaurantee's that your windows data will still be there though.

b) I have the resources to Ghost my WinXP OS. Would this save me a lot of trouble. Then start all over. Create two partitions - but then do I need to locate another version of Linux other than the Live CD?

It depends...if you really need to save windows, it may be comforting to gaurantee yourself that windows will still work by ghosting and starting all over, but I have never had any problems taking some space from a windows partitiona and using it for windows, just make sure the windows partition has the space to give.

For installing linux, the liveCD may work. Some distrobutions you can install from the liveCD (knoppix), others do not (Ubuntu). If you are still open to distribution suggestions, I now recommend either ubuntu (ubuntulinux.org) or mepis (http://www.mepis.org). They are both based off of Debian, so you get the great package management system apt-get, which makes them in my mind a lot easier to use. I have never tried Mepis, but based off of what I have read, out-of-the-box it will be easier to use than most other distributions because it comes pre-configured with various media plugins and such. With Ubuntu and other distributions you need to install those yourself. Mepis and Ubuntu both have liveCDs, but you can only install from Mepis'.

MrToast

25-03-2005, 20:18

Man, it's so much simpler than that...

Buy a Mac. (http://www.apple.com/macmini/)

Dave

gobeavs

25-03-2005, 20:21

Man, it's so much simpler than that...

Buy a Mac. (http://www.apple.com/macmini/)

Dave

A lot more expensive also :D...

Raven_Writer

25-03-2005, 20:23

wk1989

03-04-2005, 12:13

Easier solution:

Back up all your data from the windows partition
Use a partitioning program like Partition Magic to repartition your drive
(or use what the distro. you're installing has, if it does)
Pop in the installation CD, and restart
Install Linux on the space you alloted for it.
You have to repartition, just resize the Windows partition.
One thing though, convert your Windows partitions to FAT32 if you want to be able to write to it in Linux, otherwise leave them the way they are.

KTorak

03-04-2005, 12:34

You have to repartition, just resize the Windows partition.
One thing though, convert your Windows partitions to FAT32 if you want to be able to write to it in Linux, otherwise leave them the way they are.

Captive NTFS Package allows you to read/write to a NTFS partition using linux.

wk1989

03-04-2005, 12:42

Captive NTFS Package allows you to read/write to a NTFS partition using linux.
http://faq.arstechnica.com/link.php?i=1227

Read Write
Linux Yes Experimental/Dangerous

Be careful with that thing, I heard it could mess up your ntfs partitions, like making them unbootable. I prefer FAT32 over NTFS since I don't boot into Windows often.

Ashley Weed

03-04-2005, 13:39

I am finally dual booting SuSe and WinXP using GRUB after a LONG week. First I was dual booting with Fedora C3, and with the struggle of finding that my video, sound, and wireless card were not installed..... I tried to switch. When using Partition Magic to rid of a partition, and start over, I LOST both partitions, as it destroyed my boot loader.
Next, I began to reload my windows partition, and at this time created a secondary partition. (I believe my WinXP is NTFS). No, swap drive as Windows will only be used on the school network as a safety precaution, and for school learning purposes. I have successfully installed SuSe Novell Corporate version, only laking my internal wireless card and frills for my touchpad.

Hmmmm... now on to tackling that wireless card. And learning how to install things in Linux. :ahh:

scitobor 617

15-04-2005, 21:02

When using Partition Magic to rid of a partition, and start over, I LOST both partitions, as it destroyed my boot loader.

It's handy to have a Linux live cd around like Slax or Knoppix because if you are hnady with the command line you can use it to fix your master boot record without loosing all of the data on the harddrive.

Ok for your wireless card you should take a look at the following websites.

http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html
http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/

One the first site you will find info on the linux wireless tool package. Most modern distros will already have it installed but more than likely you need to get a driver for your card. There is a good chance that the manufactor of your WiFi card has not written a linux driver. Have no fear! If there is only a Windows driver you CAN use it. The second link will take you to the NdisWrapper homepage. This software will allow you to run Windows WiFi drives on Linux. However, this software is not perfect but it gets the job done, and if you have the option of a native Linux driver take it.

If your network uses WEP, WPA, or some other encryption method you well have a slightly more difficult time configuring you card. Theres alot of information on those two pages and should be enough to get you started.

Ok now that you have internet access I bet you want to install stuff. Well the most common why to install stuff on linux is to do it the programmer way, from the source code. There are five basic steps when installing from source. Few applications differ from these steps and when they do read the read_me file.

Don't forget to unzip the program first.

cd folder_name //Move to the folder with the program in it.
./configure //This command configures the program and prepares it to be installed
make //This compiles the program
su //Become the root user
make install //This places the compiled program files into a folder where all/most of your programs live

If you dislike the command line you may want to use RPM packages. They generally are the easiest ways to install programs and can cause the most frustration. Deepening on your distro you can simply double-click on the RPM file and it will be installed. The main source of frustration with RPMs results from dependencies or other programs/drivers that the program you want to install is reliant upon.

Another way to install programs is dependant on your distro. Most major distros have software that will allow for the easy installation of progams. Gentoo for example has a program which will download/compile/install the requested program and all programs that it is dependant on.

I hope I helped. I would hate to see a potential Linux user take the easyway out of things (http://www.apple.com/) rather than explore Linux.

gobeavs

17-04-2005, 03:38

Re: Ndiswrapper, I got it to work with a Linksys wireless "g" desktop card...refer to http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List and see if your card is there to see if it will work and some notes on how well it works...

jhnphm

26-04-2005, 01:01

Using straight Debian here.

wk1989

02-05-2005, 19:38

Use a Debian based distro, apt-get is awesome.

gobeavs

03-05-2005, 15:51

Use a Debian based distro, apt-get is awesome.
I don't know if I have said it before...but it is awesome. I pretty much exclusively run debian-based distros for apt-get alone.

Leon Machado IV

04-05-2005, 17:32

I found that Suse (now on it's 9.3 distro release) is a nice simple one for beginners, comes with most of your toys preinstalled (such as messanger, internet, etc.) and is very very simple to setup. Gentoo is when your very confident you know linux systems, as it allows total customization of your entire system. I know a number of the people at WPI that live in linux and this is what I have learned.

RIgnazio

22-09-2005, 19:08

www.fedora.redhat.com

Fedora Core has released its latest distro, Fedora Core 4. It is compatible with a LOT more hardware than anything else, and is probably THE simplest distro yet. I do NOT recommend SuSe, as it does not detect a lot of popular hardware such as nVidia, etc.

Hexagram

15-10-2005, 08:42

I'm at that point, where I just can't handle Windows/Microsoft all the time when working on IST. I started to browse around at different versions of Linux until I found out there are thousands of them! How do I choose? I do a little programming in C++, but its not necessary that I do it in Linux. I would like to be able to do web editing in my Linux OS eventually. What about messengers and web browsers? Will I be able to switch over Trillian, Firefox, and my webcam? Looking for a good version to start with at this point in time, all suggestions will be appreciated!!!! Thanks! :]

Knoppix is great for the beginner! Its basic CD Version includes Openoffice, Mozilla, Several internet chat programs, and KDE For the GUI...

To get a tiny bit more advanced... The DVD Version of Knoppix has everything above, as well as about 30+ more gui's, and several other programs...its almost like a full OS!