An early present from me to all of you.

[Elgin Clock]

"FIRST is all about learning." Some of you may remember this quote from the 2004 Kickoff after the NASA truck froze. Oops. :ahh:

I like learning, and I also like riddles. Putting 2 and 2 together, and then mixing them back up for someone else to try and get 4 in a different way is just plain fun. :cool:

With that said: while taking in everything I know of my FIRST life, and applying it.. I have the following gift for all of you.

the furnishers are the key an average of 33.5 standard FIRST units of time before the way of life comes to be.

the past has proved this true for the past 525,600 standard FIRST units of time.


What is it you ask?


Why, it is a clue silly.. :p But it is not a rumor, nor is it an official FIRST clue.

How can that be you may ask?

Well, I like riddles, and the discovery of something last year made me want to reveal this for some time now.

I don't want to just come out and say what it is that is in reference to yet... But when the time comes, I may in fact reveal the meaning behind the clue.

For now, all I ask you to do.. Is trust me, and have fun with this.


<Moderators look here: Please, if you are thinking about moving this to the Rumor Mill, PM me first, and I will be forced to tell you the hidden meaning. Like I stated before, this is not a rumor, but the truth that I have encrypted - Thanks, Elgin>

[Ted Boucher]

Ok….. this cryptic statement is true and there is no misleading information that draws you away from its fact. Elgin told me about this and I did not believe it. He then told me to try it for myself and it worked. We have cryptified it to make it harder to find out and to present a challenge to the Chiefdelphi Community.

NOTE: This is not an official clue from FIRST and is not a rumor.

[Katie Reynolds]

Alright, since it is a riddle and not a rumor, I'm moving this to Games/Triva forum (with Elgin's consent).

Happy riddling! :)

[Warren Boudreau]

Well, I'll start something.

I am guessing that a standard FIRST unit of time is 2 minutes.

That makes 33.5 sFu's = 67 minutes and 525,600 sFu's = 2 years.

Other than that, I am currently at a loss.

Nice riddle Elgin, I look forward to the answer. If I can't figure it out before kick-off.

[Leav]

525 600 minutes = 365 days

while i find more stuff, i'll edit this post :)

[Mike]

The builders are important. It takes about <some time here> before the game starts.
In the past this was true since <some time here>

[Leav]

the way of life comes to be
the kickoff? (the build season = the way of life ?)
so if a SFU is 2 min, and 525 600 minutes = 365 days, 525 600 sfu= 2 years.

for the past two years , it has been proven that the furnishers are important 67 minutes before kickoff.

that does not make alot of sense..... :P

[Elgin Clock]

In true FIRST fashion, I will be like they are and not reveal my meaning for the hints like they do till kickoff until a currently undisclosed time...

I will say though, that some of you are on the right track :) ... and some are not. :ahh:

Happy Riddling.. :)
^ Good catch phrase there Katie.

[Leav]

no! you can not leeave us pondering about this day and night until kickoff, i am already starting to lose sleep over this. :(

the average part is the tricky one i think..... if i knew what the past proved for the last two years (assuming that sfu=2 min...) then stuff would be easier :-\

[shyra1353]

could sfu = 6 weeks ??

[tkwetzel]

could sfu = 6 weeks ??

I tried that, but it would make the 525,600 > 60,000 years :ahh:. So I do not think that a sFu is 6 weeks.

[Elgin Clock]

OK.. Fine. I guess we all need some help at times.

Yes. A standard FIRST unit of time = 2 minutes.
(For this riddle anyways)

Happy Riddling! :)

[Travis Hoffman]

Um, it takes Dean and Co. (the game "furnishers") an average of 67 minutes to finish their speecheratin' and such before the game is actually unveiled at Kickoff ("the way of life comes to be"), and it's been this way for two years?

Heck, I'd believe it. :p

[Joshua May]

the furnishers are the key an average of 33.5 standard FIRST units of time before the way of life comes to be.[/b]

So, "The furnishers are the key an average of 67 minutes before the way of life comes to be."

Alrighty, so something happens 67 minutes before either the game is revealed or the start of the kickoff, and it has happened for the past two years. Does this have anything to do with the frozen NASA van?

[Jillian B.]

Hmmm...

the furnishers are the key an average of 33.5 standard FIRST units of time before the way of life comes to be.

the past has proved this true for the past 525,600 standard FIRST units of time.

I worked at kickoff two years ago, so I am banging my head on my keyboard looking for the answer. The way of life definetly means kickoff and the six weeks that follow. It is the most common catch phrase.

Furnishers means: suppliers, stockers, or providers according to my Microsoft Word thesaurus, so I'm taking that this means the providers of the materials that are used in the challenge. Like, I guess two years ago, you would have maybe seen something pertaining to the Rubber Maid plastic containers. Last year could have been the rubber kickballs and big yellow balls... I don't know! :confused:

The key? That's the only thing I'm lost on. Does this mean the clue?

So, this has proved to be true for the past two years, which I guess could make sense if you paid attention...

:cool: So now I just have to wait and see if I am even close to being on track... Did I mention I am impatient?

~ Jill

[Jay H 237]

The key? That's the only thing I'm lost on. Does this mean the clue?


The key, you mean Dawn then.

Oh wait, never mind. I'll just go back and finish watching the complete season 7 of Buffy on DVD that I got this X-Mas. :p


I really don't have the answer, Elgin didn't tell me about this.
Besides, even if I did know the answer, I wouldn't tell and ruin the fun the CD community is having with this. :)

[Leav]

Elgin!!! please tell us!!!!!!!! this is driving me nuts!!!!! :ahh:

[Elgin Clock]

I will share the answer sooner than later.

[Elgin Clock]

C'mon people.. no more guesses.


This is a sure thing hint, unlike the "Official" 2005 game hint thread.

[Warren Boudreau]

Okay, here's my guess.

The game will be revealed 67 minutes after the beginning of the presentation.

That means that the curtain goes up at 11:07 am.

Am I close?

[Jacqui]

Okay, here's my guess.

The game will be revealed 67 minutes after the beginning of the presentation.

That means that the curtain goes up at 11:07 am.

Am I close?

Wouldn't that mean that we start about 7 minutes late?

If so, how is it going to be delayed?

[Elgin Clock]

Am I close?
Nope

[Jillian B.]

Who's been the closest to right so far?

~ Jill

[Elgin Clock]

Who's been the closest to right so far?

~ Jill
Posts 13 (T. Hoffman), 14 (Joshua May), and 15 (Jillian B.) are the closest so far.

[Squirrelrock]

the furnishers are the key an average of 33.5 standard FIRST units of time before the way of life comes to be.

the past has proved this true for the past 525,600 standard FIRST units of time.


If the sfu is 2 minutes, then the past is 730 days long. also 2 years.

also, then the way of life comes to be 67 minutes, or 1.11667 hours after the furnishers are the key.

okay...

the key to what? Do Kamen and Co give clues out in the opening scenes of the kickoff? I've only seen one, but I may have just missed it. :rolleyes:

I just did the 2 years math. Okay, so what has changed in the kickoff broadcast from three years ago to two years ago till now? Anyone know?

[Jillian B.]

Alright. So... #13, #14, and #15 are the closest to right, meaning, they have to be combined to find the correct answer.

When the whole thing starts (as in the "speecheratin'"), don't they thank all the sponsors? I don't know if I ever paid that much attention, but do they mention the supplier sponsor in their speech? I keep thinking when I worked it two years ago, there was some mention of the supplier company who provided all the boxes many SFU before the game was revealed.

Any closer Elgin?

~ Jill

[Elgin Clock]

Any closer Elgin?

~ Jill
Almost.. Almost.

OK, well.. since we all know it involves kickoff, then I'll tell you this right now.

If it happens again this year, I may not post an answer right away after kickoff.

But, if it does not happen again, I will post it right after kickoff..

So keep guessing, and look here after kickoff.

[BoyWithCape195]

Well, in last years Kickoff, 67 minutes before the animation video of the new game began. The list of suppliers had just finshed being shown... I dont know if this has to do with Elgins riddle, but i posted it just to see!

[BoyWithCape195]

One thing that has changed from 2002 to 2003 was the prescence of Dave Lavery (i think so) In 2003 and 2004, Dave was present at bth kickoffs, but i dont see him in the 2002 one (maybe he looked diffent?)

[BoyWithCape195]

Ok, i think i have found what Elgin was hinting at. If you watch the archives of the 2003 and 2004 kick off event, 67 minutes after the suppliers list is shown, the game is revealed. In 2003 it was the curtain going up...and in 2004 it was the animation starting to play. I THINK this is what Elgin was saying, I guess ill just have to wait and see if I was correct in my thinkinh :)

[Joshua May]

Hmm, a list of the suppliers, sounds like it could be related to this (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=32130).

[BoyWithCape195]

the furnishers are the key an average of 33.5 standard FIRST units of time before the way of life comes to be.

the past has proved this true for the past 525,600 standard FIRST units of time.

Translation

The end of the video that shows the sponsers that supplied parts for the kit of parts is the start of an aprox. 67 minute count down before the accurant years game is unvailed.

The past has proved the above statement for the past two years, 2003, and 2004 as true.

[Jillian B.]

Yeah. I think we got it. That definetly puts together all the correct answers so far. If we got it, that really has to be the first cryptic riddle I've ever seen solved without lots of hints!

~ Jill

[Leav]

c'mon Mr. Clock!!!!!!!!! give us the answer to the riddle!

[Joshua May]

So, Elgin didn't post, so I guess it happened again this year. I just looked back at the kickoff video, and it appears that the human-simulated game was started about 67 minutes after the end of the sponsor's names were shown.

[Elgin Clock]

So, Elgin didn't post, so I guess it happened again this year. I just looked back at the kickoff video, and it appears that the human-simulated game was started about 67 minutes after the end of the sponsor's names were shown.
No, it didn't happen this year, because there was no need for it to happen this year.

I will post the long winded answer tomorrow.. I need to be able to feel my arm first..

Darn snowboarding injury.. :(

[Squirrelrock]

No, it didn't happen this year, because there was no need for it to happen this year.

I will post the long winded answer tomorrow.. I need to be able to feel my arm first..

Darn snowboarding injury.. :(

Umm....

Tomorrow was two days ago, Elgin. :D Where's our answer?

[Joshua May]

Sooo, do we have an answer yet? Gotta see how close I was. :D

[Elgin Clock]

OKey dokey, the long awaited answer to my riddle.....

Will be typed tomorrow when I wake up and compose my thoughts since there is really nothing else to do during a Nor'Easter...

Someone send me a PM so I don't forget though. :)

[RbtGal1351]

OKey dokey, the long awaited answer to my riddle.....

Will be typed tomorrow when I wake up and compose my thoughts since there is really nothing else to do during a Nor'Easter...

Someone send me a PM so I don't forget though. :)

Uh oh... not more procrastination!!!
He's gonna forget! :ahh:
This happened last time!
Let's all PM him til he tells us! :D

~Stephanie

[Elgin Clock]

Answer will be released in 10 minutes!!!

[Elgin Clock]

the furnishers are the key an average of 33.5 standard FIRST units of time before the way of life comes to be.

the past has proved this true for the past 525,600 standard FIRST units of time.Furnishers = Official FIRST Suppliers/Sponsors
The Key = Game Item
Standard FIRST Units of time = 2 minutes (oops.. guess not so anymore)
The Way of Life = The Official Game Reveal from behind the curtains

33.5 Standard FIRST Units of time = 67 Minutes*
525,600 Standard FIRST Units of time = 2 Years


With that said...

In the year 2003 at the Kickoff, the list of suppliers was shown 62 minutes before the Game Reveal, and showed a robot knocking over a stack of bins with sponsors/suppliers name on them.
Bins = Game Item of 2003

In 2004 at the Kickoff, the list of suppliers was shown 72 minutes before the Game Reveal, but just as text. But, in the background was two different size 3D circles.
2 Different size Balls = Game Item of 2004



*67minutes = Average of time between the two times in 2003 and 2004.


So.. was it worth the wait?
They changed the format this year and showed the game items as soon as the kickoff started, so.. there goes the theory that the pattern would continue. :(

[RbtGal1351]

Furnishers = Official FIRST Suppliers/Sponsors
The Key = Game Item
Standard FIRST Units of time = 2 minutes (oops.. guess not so anymore)
The Way of Life = The Official Game Reveal from behind the curtains

33.5 Standard FIRST Units of time = 67 Minutes*
525,600 Standard FIRST Units of time = 2 Years


With that said...

In the year 2003 at the Kickoff, the list of suppliers was shown 62 minutes before the Game Reveal, and showed a robot knocking over a stack of bins with sponsors/suppliers name on them.
Bins = Game Item of 2003

In 2004 at the Kickoff, the list of suppliers was shown 72 minutes before the Game Reveal, but just as text. But, in the background was two different size 3D circles.
2 Different size Balls = Game Item of 2004



*67minutes = Average of time between the two times in 2003 and 2004.


So.. was it worth the wait?
They changed the format this year and showed the game items as soon as the kickoff started, so.. there goes the theory that the pattern would continue. :(

ahhh... THANK YOU!!!
...but wasn't the background this year a bunch of triangles? aka tetras? im not sure if it was for the sponsors or not, but i know it was during the speeches and everything.

THANK YOU FROM ALL OF US once again! :]
~Stephanie

[Elgin Clock]

I wonder if this old theory will be true again this year?? Hmmm... :yikes:

[JosephC]

Game Hint 11 years in the making?!