Rochester Update

[Mike]

Hey all, i'm in the pit area of my team at Rochester now.

A decent amount of tetras are being stacked (more so than the scrimmages predicted).

Autonomous mode is non-existant.* The best one (other than our teams) drove to the tetra and grabbed it.

* Our team has been able to grab the tetra, drive to the goal, get over the goal, but has yet to stack it (All it needs to do is release our grabber, we're debugging the problem now)

I'll be back on later to answer any questions.

[Elgin Clock]

Anyone else care to give a recap of Day 1: Practice Day?

I see there are pictures at: www.FIRSTRochester.org/gallery (http://www.firstrochester.org/gallery)

Good to see.. And I hear that Team 237 is possibly going to have a live webcam set up at some point tomorrow.. Hopefully early, so I can watch on my break and at lunch time..

[chinckley]

How are the practice fields working out? How are they scheduled?
Is there a time limit?

[Kyle Love]

Awesome pics Elgin! I really wish I was there now... is Paul the MC or a ref or what?

[Rabbit222]

sooooooooo many days untill my competition. RRRRRRRRRRRRR can't wait. Looking @ those pics makes me want to leave right now! Sweet pics Elgin. ;)

[Elgin Clock]

Those are not my pictures, so I will take credit for finding them online, but not taking them and making them available to everyone.

That credit goes to Rochester FIRST.

[Ali Ahmed]

Can anyone tell me how well the volunteers are? Or more specifically, the student ones because most of them are from my team.

[Josh Siegel]

The event seems really well organized, and the volunteers are most helpful. I love the machine shop people there!
The summary of the game is fairly accurate. Few people had auto as of 5:00 on Thursday, but we'll see tomorrow. I'm very impressed with several of the teams, but watching them makes me realize what a tough challenge FIRST gave us this year. I'd say the average team probably gets 3-ish tetras per round, or 9 per alliance per round.

[Alex Cormier]

the practice field was a mess today. tomorrow will have rules; 15 minutes max at a time and only 2 bots out at a time. today there was average 3-4 and it is almost 1/4 the field so yeah a lot of no room and bots hitting people. yes the stacking of tetras has be amazing! and it is a lot of fun his year can't wait till tomorrow!

[Koko Ed]

Mike got his usually quality pics up on his site (http://robotphotos.org/2005-finger-lakes-day-1?page=1).
Good stuff.

[Elgin Clock]

More pics from Rochester.
http://www.team237.com/gallery/Rochester-2005

[Collmandoman]

how often did teams run the field and cap the other side?
what have the refs said about the loading zone?
Why am I not at one of these competitions yet?

[Josh Siegel]

how often did teams run the field and cap the other side?

Fairly often, though I'm not sure how intentional it really is. You just kind of go wherever you can quickly and cleanly, with rows coming as sort of a side-effect (for me, at least). Line of sight is critical! Non-agressive blocking was rampant, just by crowding a driver into lurching away and losing a tetra or something of the like.

what have the refs said about the loading zone?

They've been VERY picky. Make sure you have fringe!

[Collmandoman]

Re: First Week Regionals *Merged*
we should start a chatroom.. because this Q&A response thing is slow~ and ther eis alot of excitement out there~

so I'll make one

name

"FIRST Regionals" on AIM

come if you can -- hit yourself if you can't
__________________

[Elgin Clock]

And on that note, let's keep this thread exclusive to new information, and things happening at Rochester ONLY please..

Thanks.

Good luck to all the teams attending. And someone keep us all informed, so we are not all on the edge of our seats constantly refreshing CD, or racking up a huge cell phone bill calling my team looking for news (which I will be anyways).

[Matt Leese]

Can anyone tell me how well the volunteers are? Or more specifically, the student ones because most of them are from my team.
As far as I could tell, doing quite fine. I know that Wednesday there was some down time and they enjoyed playing in the snow outside.

Matt

[miketwalker]

I'm curious about how many people have an autonomous trying to cap the vision tetra. I saw a post in this thread about few with autonomous modes at all as of yesterday... has anybody been successful at all with a vision tetra yet? Good luck to all the teams!

[rachakate]

Schedules out. 66 matches, 33 teams - 12 matches per team.

10 minutes till Dean's on for opening ceremonies!

[Andy Baker]

There was a rumor that 217 and 229 were going to consolidate their pits, as they are right next to each other. Is this true? If so... can someone post a pic?

Thanks,
Andy B.

[Elgin Clock]

I'm curious about how many people have an autonomous trying to cap the vision tetra. I saw a post in this thread about few with autonomous modes at all as of yesterday... has anybody been successful at all with a vision tetra yet? Good luck to all the teams!From what I have been told over the phone:

Yesterday, 237 grabbed the vision tetra and drove over to the goal to stack it, only to have a code problem which didn't let the grabber mechanism release the tetra over the goal. Arghhh.. SO close.

Today, 237 has grabbed the tetra, and started to find the yellow and drive over to the goal, but the placement of the second vision tetra on the field has been a bad luck thing, and has gotten in the way of driving over to the goal in the 15 second time limit.

But I have faith in my team and they will get it done sooner or later. It is only a matter of time.



Oh, and by the way, I heard the high score in Rochester was 76 so far today with 4 rows and a bunch of randomly stacked tetras.
Can someone confirm that who is actually there?

[Corey Balint]

Latest from 237: 6 and 0. Two of their last 3 matches were won by one point and the other was 31-0 with the other alliance getting a 30 point penalty. I think their other matches had scores of 42-47-52. With the opponents not getting close enough.

[Mr.G]

Does anyone have the match results and standings yet? Nothing was working at the regional to be able to tell what place you are in.

[Alex Cormier]

Amazing day today! just some notes: X-cats 191 8-2, 273 looking great, 639 looking great, 38 looking great, 1559 looking amazing for rookie! a lot of big penalties at beginning of day now calmer due to having the jitters out of the system! can't wait till tomorrow, good luck everyone!

edit, 211 MAK is doing amazing and won an award because of their mecanum wheels!

[rachakate]

Oh, and by the way, I heard the high score in Rochester was 76 so far today with 4 rows and a bunch of randomly stacked tetras.
Can someone confirm that who is actually there?

It's true! 191, 340 and 639.

[Alex Cormier]

It's true! 191, 340 and 639.
whens the ranking coming up on their site!?

[rachakate]

Great article in the Democrat and Chronicle (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20050305&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=503050326&Ref=AR) today.

When I was leaving the social, I heard that the scoring was fixed, and that tomorrow should go much smoother, but I don't believe it was ready in time to get it to the webmaster. Be patient.

Speaking of the social - how about that karaoke?!? I for one had a great time at the social. Decent food, lines not too long, lots of options. Good times. :D

[Greg Needel]

Rank Team
1 237
2 217
3 191
4 494
5 326
6 1559
7 84
8 73
9 1567
10 1450
11 250
12 1591
13 1551
14 1507
15 174
16 1511
17 1405
18 378
19 1370
20 340
21 229
22 38
23 448
24 639
25 1518
26 1126
27 578
28 145
29 211
30 1509
31 284
32 772
33 1547



enjoy

[Matt Leese]

There was a rumor that 217 and 229 were going to consolidate their pits, as they are right next to each other. Is this true? If so... can someone post a pic?

Thanks,
Andy B.
They're actually back to back. And it looks like any other set of back to back pits. Not really as exciting as you may think. ;)

Matt

[Matt Leese]

When I was leaving the social, I heard that the scoring was fixed, and that tomorrow should go much smoother, but I don't believe it was ready in time to get it to the webmaster. Be patient.

Scoring was fixed last night. That includes everything from ranking to real time scoring. I believe the data is updated on FIRST's "hidden" site right now but I don't remember the URL for it.

Matt

[ScottWolchok]

They're actually back to back. And it looks like any other set of back to back pits. Not really as exciting as you may think. ;)

Matt

Yeah, we're not doing anything really special with respect to the back-to-back pits.

Speaking of the social - how about that karaoke?!? I for one had a great time at the social. Decent food, lines not too long, lots of options. Good times. :D

I steered clear of the kareoke for the most part - the comedian was great! The Martians got into the act a little bit and somebody from 340 got up for 2 minutes and told a joke with no punchline =)

[Mike]

Hey guys,
Haven't checked in a while, here's some info.

LOADING ZONE
-Make sure both feet are in the loading zone! That's probably the most common penalty.

AUTONOMOUS
-Team 237 will be capping by the end of the regionals. No other team is attempting to cap, the other autonomous modes are
A. Starting with a tetra and stacking a goal next to them.
or
B. Knocking down the tetra next to them.
or
C. Nothing (Most common)

EDIT:
191 knocked 217 out of 2nd place, but rumor has it 237 is picking 217 as their alliance partner . ;)

[Corey Balint]

Just out of Rochester, from the boys on 237, i hear 237 picked 217 and 340.
2nd seed is 191 with 494 and 639. I didnt ask anymore though, didnt want to waste their prep time.

I must say though, but those 6 teams would be an interesting finals.

[ScottWolchok]

Just out of Rochester, from the boys on 237, i hear 237 picked 217 and 340.
2nd seed is 191 with 494 and 639. I didnt ask anymore though, didnt want to waste their prep time.

I must say though, but those 6 teams would be an interesting finals.

It would be very interesting - 494 and 639 have been playing some tough defense on us. :)

[Corey Balint]

It would be very interesting - 494 and 639 have been playing some tough defense on us. :)
I traded 237 for 494...Best of luck to both. I wish 237 picked 494(no offence 217 lol)...but Ill just have to be torn in who to root for now.

[Corey Balint]

1) 237, 217, 340
2) 191, 494, 639
3) 1559, 1450, 1591
4) 1507, 229, 772
5) 1567, 1126, 145
6) 326, 84, 211
7) 1511, 378, 1509
8) 38, 1370, 174

stole that from elgin's IM.

In my opinion, if finals turn out to be 1 vs 2, it will pave the way for the rest of the alliance selections this year. From what I know-1st seed is 2 offensive and one defensive, while 2nd seed is two defensive and one offensive. If that is the finals, whichever style wins, would really make the game for the rest of the year.

[Elgin Clock]

stole that from elgin's IM.STOP THIEF!!! :rolleyes:
I hope it is right.. it is now 4th party information here on CD...

From a phone call to someone who is there, to a friend of mine, to me, to corey..

So.. .I hope nothing got lost in translation.. :ahh:

[ScottWolchok]

STOP THEIF!!! :rolleyes:
I hope it is right.. it is now 4th party information here on CD...

From a phone call to someone who is there, to a friend of mine, to me, to corey..

So.. .I hope nothing got lost in translation.. :ahh:

Those seeds are correct, I just got up and looked. ;)

[ScottWolchok]

update: 237, 217, and 340 just advanced from quarter finals.

[Corey Balint]

Through a poor cellphone signal, it sounded like 494's alliance advanced as well as 229's. I also might have heard that 237's alliance will be facing 229's next, which if they go highest seed advancing plays lowest seed advancing, means the third seed won as well. Dont quote me on this though.

I'm not sure if thats a rule, but in most Sports Tourneys, thats how it goes.

[ScottWolchok]

Through a poor cellphone signal, it sounded like 494's alliance advanced as well as 229's. I also might have heard that 237's alliance will be facing 229's next, which if they go highest seed advancing plays lowest seed advancing, means the third seed won as well. Dont quote me on this though.

I'm not sure if thats a rule, but in most Sports Tourneys, thats how it goes.

494 & co. advanced for sure.

EDIT: 237, 217, and 340 were just eliminated by 229 & co.

[Corey Balint]

237 eliminated :ahh:

Appearantly 237 had stacked about 8 tets, and then someone took a 30 point penalty, nullifying all 8 and 2 more. Jeez, the penalties are a bit much.

[Corey Balint]

494's alliance vs 229's in finals.

[Marc P.]

Congratulations to teams 494, 639, and 191 for winning the 2005 Finger Lakes regional!

[Corey Balint]

YES!!! FANTASY POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahah...

but great job 494, 191, and 639. I knew you guys had an excellent shot. Just tell us all how you played the game now. :D

[Koko Ed]

It was a great regional!
And not just because we won it all but I loved the atmosphere. The camraderie amongst the teams and the outright fun that everyone was having.
There were some amazing teams there.
First and foremost I want to thank 494 ( I forgive you for the ambush Kareoke :p ) and 639 for being great alliance partners. I guess the Angry Red Martian Cats pulled it out. You broken a 14 year drought and helped make a long time dream come true for us. Thank you so very much.
I want to congratulate team 1507. 772 and 229 for being such excellent opponents in the final. That last match was a doozy. I hope to see all of you guys down in Atlanta, in particular 229 who had an excellent robot and I was very disappionted to hear might not be going down because of funding. You guys deserve to be there so bend someone's arm to make it happen.
I want to congratulate 340 for winning the regional Chairman's Award. You are truly a leader in the Rochester FIRST community.
I also want to give a shout out to Rochester FIRST who put on a show from the aboved mentioned veterans and 211 MAK for another reward for their innovative robot to our impessive rookies from 1567 (my old school East High. I am so very proud of you guys), 1511 ( I guess your comming to the party after all) 1559( may this be the harbinger of bigger things for your program) , and 1551 (I hope it doesn't take 3 more years to get the funds you so richly deserve).
I want to congratulate 1450 for their amazing showing. I was so happy they did so well.
I would also like to commend 22 for comming from Cali to help out with the regional.
It was a great weekend. I can't wait to do it all again!

[Alex Cormier]

Congrats, a lil disappointed that we didn't get to play with you on the same side but at least a Xerox team is coming home with a Regional win once again! 3 years in a row xerox has one Regional win.

[Koko Ed]

Congrats, a lil disappointed that we didn't get to play with you on the same side but at least a Xerox team is coming home with a Regional win once again! 3 years in a row xerox has one Regional win.
It's XQ's turn to get the next one. :D

[Merv Burger]

It was a great regional!
And not just because we won it all but I loved the atmosphere. The camraderie amongst the teams and the outright fun that everyone was having.
There were some amazing teams there.
First and foremost I want to thank 494 ( I forgive you for the ambush Kareoke :p ) and 639 for being great alliance partners. I guess the Angry Red Martian Cats pulled it out. You broken a 14 year drought and helped make a long time dream come true for us. Thank you so very much.
I want to congratulate team 1507. 772 and 229 for being such excellent opponents in the final. That last match was a doozy. I hope to see all of you guys down in Atlanta, in particular 229 who had an excellent robot and I was very disappionted to hear might not be going down because of funding. You guys deserve to be there so bend someone's arm to make it happen.

Congrtulations on your winning. You guys were great opponents. I hope all of you continue this streak into other regionals and the nationals.

I'd like to thank teams #229 and #772 for being great alliance partners, and just basically a great group of people to be around. It's a shame our robot tipped the center goal's tetras, or things just might have been a little bit different.

Overall, the Finger Lakes Regional was great, and I hope many more great ones follow!

[KenWittlief]

that was the loooooooooongest time ever for judges to call the score, the final match at FLR, in the history of FIRST

I wasnt sure if they were calling Dave on the phone, or were going to tell us to come back sunday to see who won

it had to be a good 15 minutes, serious

I gotta say, whenever they get out the rulers and index cards to measure the stack and see who won, when its that close the Finalist have nothing to be ashamed of. I doesnt get any closer than it did today!

Congrats to all the teams, it was a great regional.

[Yan Wang]

191, thanks for picking us, and 494, thanks for defending us while we capped. I had a great time driving in the finals and the last match proved to be the most interesting of all. To 1507, 229, and 772, thanks for that awesome match. It was a great ending to a great regional.

I'll post more after I get some more sleep.

And we may or may not be going back to Canada again due to this ;)

[J Flex 188]

A couple of 188 members and myself had a great time in rochester just taking in the game for the first time, and though we werent competing, we were on the edge of our seats again during finals, cheering for our fellow Canadian team 772 =P. Great job by all. I dont think there was a single match in the eliminations that wasn't exciting. Congratulations to the winning alliance, 494 in particular for another excellent show of defence during that second match.

Exactly the final we had predicted. Good job all!

[rachakate]

It was a great regional!
I want to congratulate 340 for winning the regional Chairman's Award. You are truly a leader in the Rochester FIRST community.

From you, alright? We learned it by watching you!

I couldn't be happier that the XCats have won the inaugural home town regional. So a Xerox team wins the competition and a B&L team wins the chairmans. Man the sponsors must be happy!

Thanks, and congratulations!

[Ellery]

In the last 6 years I've been participating in this program the Finger Lakes Regional is by far the best I've been in. Everything was awesome (arena, pit size, Social (comedian, movie, kareoke, open gym) ( I told people that this would be the regional with the best food - catered by the RIT Hotel management school, it was true!) And most of all, every team was downright pleasant to be with. I'm glad to have met many of you guys I've chatted with online here in person especially Mr. JVN(229) and Paul Copioli(217) too bad we couldn't hang more but one night was great. This is what makes FIRST great!

As Ed already mentioned we had an awesome alliance at this Regional. Many thanks to the assistance of teams 494 (Martians) and 639 (Code Red- too bad you're not coming to Atlanta). This was one of the best complimentary alliances I've seen during this regional. The suspense made the win sweeter don't you think. The refs even reviewed the last five minutes of the match, I heard, to confirm the decision they've made.

Congrats to 1507, 229, and 772 for being the challenge that everyone expected the finals to be, it was a close battle.

[Joe Ross]

here are unofficial seedings, for anyone interested:

Rank Team RP QP W L T Matches
1 237 20 15 10 2 0 12
2 191 19 15 9 2 1 12
3 217 18 16 9 3 0 12
4 494 16 20 8 4 0 12
5 1559 16 18 8 4 0 12
6 1507 16 13 8 4 0 12
7 1567 16 13 8 4 0 12
8 326 16 10 8 4 0 12
9 1511 15 14 7 4 1 12
10 84 14 17 7 5 0 12
11 1450 14 16 7 5 0 12
12 38 14 13 7 5 0 12
13 174 14 12 7 5 0 12
14 73 14 11 7 5 0 12
15 378 13 15 6 5 1 12
16 250 12 15 6 6 0 12
17 1551 12 15 6 6 0 12
18 229 12 13 6 6 0 12
19 639 12 9 6 6 0 12
20 1405 12 9 6 6 0 12
21 1370 10 19 5 7 0 12
22 211 10 14 5 7 0 12
23 1591 10 13 5 7 0 12
24 1518 10 12 5 7 0 12
25 448 10 10 5 7 0 12
26 145 9 18 4 7 1 12
27 1509 8 17 4 8 0 12
28 340 8 13 4 8 0 12
29 578 7 17 3 8 1 12
30 1126 6 16 3 9 0 12
31 284 6 14 3 9 0 12
32 772 5 16 2 9 1 12
33 1547 2 13 1 11 0 12

[maikull]

Unfortunately, the link from Ed's post no longer works, because it was a temporary place-holder. You can see my 2005 Finger Lakes Regional photos here: http://robotphotos.org/2005-flr.

I've got Day 1 (practice) and Day 2 (first day of competition) sorted into folders and I've got Day 3 (last day of competition) left to do. That'll probably happen over the next week or so and once everything is sorted, I'm going to delete duplicates and keep only the most interesting of the photos.

Feel free to add comments if you want, but please don't post anything offensive or illegal.

[DarkFlame145]

w00t ROCHEST ROCKED MAN. T-RX FOREVER MAN we may not of wone but it was the funnest thing i'v ever done. (yes i am a rookie)

[Kims Robot]

Did anyone get, or know where we can get a full set of match results?

[hoag]

Unfortunately, the link from Ed's post no longer works, because it was a temporary place-holder. You can see my 2005 Finger Lakes Regional photos here: http://robotphotos.org/2005-flr.

I've got Day 1 (practice) and Day 2 (first day of competition) sorted into folders and I've got Day 3 (last day of competition) left to do. That'll probably happen over the next week or so and once everything is sorted, I'm going to delete duplicates and keep only the most interesting of the photos.

Feel free to add comments if you want, but please don't post anything offensive or illegal.

Your pictures are great! Thank-you!

[Yan Wang]

Did anyone get, or know where we can get a full set of match results?

Click Match Results under Finger Lakes Regional:
http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/2005/rgevents.htm

FIRST has yet to update it though :/

[Koko Ed]

It's been a week and no update for qualification matches and tournament matches.
I'm starting to get annoyed.
Is there anyone out there who has the information?

[Joe Ross]

2 years ago, FIRST never got the results from the first week regionals posted. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but give FIRST time.


Here are the first 2/3rds of the qualifying matches:

Match # Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue Score Red Score
1 191 284 73 1507 772 38 35 9
2 639 174 1591 84 1547 1370 30 3
3 211 1450 340 1567 326 378 6 38
4 217 1509 250 229 494 1559 36 41
5 1405 1511 1126 578 1551 237 28 41
6 73 1591 191 145 1518 448 30 14
7 378 639 284 1450 84 38 26 33
8 772 1559 340 229 1567 174 7 38
9 211 1507 578 237 217 1547 19 54
10 1370 326 1511 1405 494 1518 0 7
11 250 1551 448 1509 1126 145 23 14
12 229 284 1591 191 639 340 6 76
13 73 1547 1567 237 378 1559 9 58
14 174 326 578 1405 217 38 0 72
15 1507 448 1370 1551 494 1450 54 25
16 772 211 145 250 1511 84 0 16
17 639 1567 191 1126 1518 1509 6 0
18 73 326 1591 578 229 378 19 0
19 340 494 1405 1551 1547 38 20 7
20 1511 1450 1559 250 1507 174 30 8
21 284 1509 211 145 237 1370 20 21
22 1126 772 1518 448 84 217 24 25
23 229 1547 1551 1405 191 378 4 13
24 1567 494 73 250 639 578 18 11
25 1559 284 1591 145 1507 326 10 54
26 38 1370 340 1126 211 174 24 33
27 448 237 1450 84 1509 1511 34 0
28 1551 378 639 217 1518 772 0 41
29 1507 229 250 145 1405 1567 29 3
30 211 578 1126 174 191 494 27 30
31 340 73 1370 84 326 237 13 14
32 1511 217 1559 448 284 1547 32 0
33 1591 1509 772 1518 38 1450 4 62
34 1405 1507 639 250 378 1126 2 18
35 494 191 326 237 174 145 41 19
36 1559 84 1551 448 340 578 73 25
37 211 1450 73 1518 284 229 48 12
38 1370 1567 1511 772 1547 1509 35 28
39 250 237 378 38 217 1591 42 29
40 639 145 340 448 1405 174 65 12
41 84 191 1507 1518 1559 578 32 16
42 1450 772 1547 1370 229 1126 15 37
43 217 1511 1591 284 494 1567 28 20
44 211 38 73 326 1509 1551 0 6

[Joe Ross]

Here are the rest of the matches I have: Match # Blue 1 Blue 2 Blue 3 Red 1 Red 2 Red 3 Blue Score Red Score

45 1507 1518 237 448 378 174 20 0
46 191 1370 250 1405 772 1559 32 38
47 1547 145 1450 284 578 340 24 29
48 1551 211 217 73 1511 639 40 4
49 84 229 1126 1509 1591 494 26 29
50 448 191 250 326 1567 38 0 14
51 237 174 578 284 1405 772 49 0
52 145 1450 1559 73 217 1370 37 38

[neilsonster]

Sorry to bump this thread all the way from page 5 but does anyone have just the qualifying match list that was handed out to teams on the Saturday of that weekend? I know Joe Ross posted match results above but I am positive our team's last match was a tie because it was the only tie of the competition, so something is mixed up with some of the data near the end, and it would only be in the last few matches that there's an error.

The only reason I ask is I'm trying to gather some information to get corrections for team 1251's ranking website. Thank you!

[Joe Ross]

Sorry to bump this thread all the way from page 5 but does anyone have just the qualifying match list that was handed out to teams on the Saturday of that weekend? I know Joe Ross posted match results above but I am positive our team's last match was a tie because it was the only tie of the competition, so something is mixed up with some of the data near the end, and it would only be in the last few matches that there's an error.

The only reason I ask is I'm trying to gather some information to get corrections for team 1251's ranking website. Thank you!

I don't have data for all the matches. The tie occured after the ones I have. The seeding scores are for all the matches, though.