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Adam Y.

19-03-2005, 15:19

Can someone tell me what the standings are of the SPBLI regional? Im just curious how my former team is doing.

ahecht

19-03-2005, 19:37

Awards are up at http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Events/LI/awards.html.

Congrats to winners 527, 358, and 870, and chairman's award winner 358!

Matches (http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Events/LI/matches.html) and rankings (http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Events/LI/rankings.html) are also up.

[527]phil

19-03-2005, 20:45

527!!! lol, we owe it all to our amazing drivers, ken (robot driver) and me :D (arm operator) O and we couldn't have done it with our pit crew!! :ahh: . congrats to all our alliance partners(we rock!!), hope to see you at the nationals.

-Phil

Alex Cormier

19-03-2005, 20:55

what happened to the one UK team?

colt527

19-03-2005, 20:56

http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Events/LI/matches.html

They have the team numbers for all the alliances screwed up. They show the finals between

59
176
570

vs

329
28
884

... I tried to tell the ppl at the scoring table, but I got severly yelled at by them. The alliance colors and scores are right though at least. So, unless I've been living in an alternate reality all day, they have the team numbers screwed up.

PS: The UK team goes to the NYC regional not SBPLI. So, we shall see.

Rich Wong

19-03-2005, 20:56

[527]phil

19-03-2005, 21:15

Yeah it was awesome, we we're so we'll matched with our capabilities. my team was fast at capping and moving accross the feild (6 seconds from one end to the other without a tetra, 8 with a tetra), 870 was awesome at pushing and defense, and 358 was good at capping and utilizing the human loader stations. It also helped because 870 knocked down the tetra during autonomous and then joined the rest of us in the center, after that we went our seperate ways, and we wouldn't have lost the second match if the FIRST volunteer was restocking the autoloader instead of sitting down and staring into space!!!!!

Nationals or bust!!!

AIBob

19-03-2005, 21:25

Thanks
527 - For picking us for the finals, and being such great allies
870 - For being such a great and powerful ally

A funny thing about that.. look at the teams in each of the orders:
358, 527, 870:
(3 5 8 ) = 358
( 5 2 7 ) = 527
( 8 7 0) = 870

I was a bit scared in the last two matches with our robot breaking.... luckily our great mechanical/electronical teams fixed the arm
... the problems were in the pipes at the end cracking and breaking and the telescoping mechanism we have has springs and I believe one of them broke.

Congrats to all of the regional for all their great effort and great robots they built for the competition.

BaldwinNYRookie

19-03-2005, 21:53

Uh, hey, I'm noticing a pattern, why did the blue alliances win almost evrytime? Was there a reason? It happened to often to be a coincidence.

http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Events/LI/matches.html

ZZII 527

19-03-2005, 21:56

A funny thing about that.. look at the teams in each of the orders:
358, 527, 870:
(3 5 8 ) = 358
( 5 2 7 ) = 527
( 8 7 0) = 870

That is a bit scary. Also, did you notice that we were all sitting in the same section of the stands (358 in front, 527 behind (east), and 870 behind (west))?

The Lucas

19-03-2005, 21:59

Uh, hey, I'm noticing a pattern, why did the blue alliances win almost evrytime? Was there a reason? It happened to often to be a coincidence.

http://www2.usfirst.org/2005comp/Events/LI/matches.html
If you want to argue that, go to this thread (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36100&highlight=red+advantage)

Rich Wong

19-03-2005, 22:04

That is a bit scary. Also, did you notice that we were all sitting in the same section of the stands (358 in front, 527 behind (east), and 870 behind (west))?
(3 5 8 ) = 358 :eek:
( 5 2 7 ) = 527 :eek:
( 8 7 0) = 870 :eek:

This is really freaky!

ZZII 527

19-03-2005, 22:10

(3 5 8 ) = 358 :eek:
( 5 2 7 ) = 527 :eek:
( 8 7 0) = 870 :eek:

This is really freaky!

Anybody know the odds of this occuring randomly? I'm thinking roughly 6/1,000, but not sure. (1/10 * 1/10 * 1/10 for the three numbers that have to match * 6 different orientations of team numbers. This neglects repeated numbers and the fact that no two teams have the same number, as well as quadruple digit teams.)

colt527

19-03-2005, 22:19

Everyone behind the scorekeeper table were so impressed every time 527,358,870 marched out of their zone together during autonomous mode. The three bots looked like soldiers taking their position and getting ready for attack!
:cool:

Here is all of us after autonomous: http://nemesis2.com/phs/robotics/04-05/picview.php?id=19&num=72

Here is us and 358 crusing with tetras: http://nemesis2.com/phs/robotics/04-05/picview.php?id=19&num=73

All of the rest of the 110 pictures: http://nemesis2.com/phs/robotics/04-05/galleries.php?do=view&id=19

As for blue having an advantage, we had no problem with red. I think we were in Red 1 at least 6/11 qualifying matches and then in Red 1 for all 8 of the finals matches. So, The myth of Blue having an advantage is busted.

DarkJedi613

19-03-2005, 23:51

Yeah that looked awesome in autonomous mode! :)

Good job guys all.

Hopefully we'll see some of you at nationals!

[527]phil

20-03-2005, 08:31

I don't think one side had anymore chance than another. I think an awesome match was when we (527) we're paired up with 2 defensive robots, and the other team consisted of 3 capping robots (including the pobots) and we won by a point, that was the most tense I've been when waiting for the score to come up :D

laditek

20-03-2005, 09:58

Can someone tell me what the standings are of the SPBLI regional? Im just curious how my former team is doing.

Hey Adam,

We did awesome. We did make it into the finals.... We ranked 12 overall.
yipppppppppeeeeeeeeeeee.

Lang

Mark McLeod

20-03-2005, 10:30

I want to thank 527 for picking us and 870 for alliance partners.
Hey, Ken and Phil, you guys are a great drive team and we did work great together didn’t we?

I should say our coach Pat (DarkJedi), driver Chris (Revolverx7), arm operator Liz (RoboticsIsLife), all around great human Bryan (MobiusOne358), and autonomous Bobby (AIBob) all worked well with our alliance partners. You guys were fantastic! (Don’t get cocky, we have Philly in three days.)

I also want to complement all our opponents on well fought and exciting matches.
Finals was very, very exciting.

And Bobby that “string” was Spectra and is 700 lb test. Those were the repairs, so one of our pulleys was held on by $.70/ft “string” at the end!

DarkJedi613

20-03-2005, 11:45

phil']that was the most tense I've been when waiting for the score to come up :DThe most tense I was when we were waiting for the score to the final match. :ahh:

I'm gonna try to get a video up of our autonomous modes working together. I'll post it when I have it. :)

ZZII 527

20-03-2005, 12:36

I'm gonna try to get a video up of our autonomous modes working together. I'll post it when I have it. :)

Since I'm home on my spring break, I'll be doing video editing for 527 and will also post some as soon as I can. (I still have 3.1 gigs of video from my trip to BAE with Team 97 on my hard drive!)

DarkJedi613

20-03-2005, 13:57

Here's the video of the autonomous modes (http://www.team358.org/videos/SBPLI_Auto.wmv) which everyone thought looked cool. :yikes:

Bleh I just realized the font was messed up at the end and it goes from like really big to really small...I'll fix it later though. :(

Toolman

20-03-2005, 14:21

:) Thankyou to team 527. From TEAM R.I.C.E. 870. You guys put together a great alliance with us and 358 Hauppauge.

The finals were a true competition and the alliance was great. It was like a showdown at sundown the way the robots faced the opponents in auton.

Congrats to all teams competing at the regional as well. The teams were impressive and well versed in the FIRST experience. Lets all keep up the great work!

Team Leader
T. Kryl
Southold Robotics R.I.C.E. 870

colt527

20-03-2005, 14:39

Here is the video of the 3 finals matches:

http://www.plainedgeschools.org/hsrobotics/video/sbpli/finals1-1web.wmv
http://www.plainedgeschools.org/hsrobotics/video/sbpli/finals1-2web.wmv
http://www.plainedgeschools.org/hsrobotics/video/sbpli/finals1-3web.wmv

Shows from start of autonomous to final score. (Edited it out replays and random announcer comments).

Will have the Quarter Finals, Semis and the rest of our qualifying matches whenever I get time to capture them. (Yes, we have video of every match we were in =P, thanks Steve).

I also have the 2.1 Mbps versions which i can distribute via CD to ppl whenever I burn them. :]

Team 870, it was completly our pleasure to be with your team! You guys had an amazing robot that just had some bad luck in qualifying. :)

[527]phil

20-03-2005, 16:49

I think i was the most tense waiting for the second to last match when we won the first time, lost the second, and the third was too close to tell, but we won by 2 points!!, lol hope to see you guys at the nationals.

Revolverx7

20-03-2005, 17:10

Waiting for the score for the final match to come up was probably the worst wait I have ever experienced. But thanks to team 527 and 870, the best alliancce partners, we were able to take home the final match.

Hope to see you all in Atlanta!

ZZII 527

21-03-2005, 02:23

Anybody know the odds of this occuring randomly? I'm thinking roughly 6/1,000, but not sure. (1/10 * 1/10 * 1/10 for the three numbers that have to match * 6 different orientations of team numbers. This neglects repeated numbers and the fact that no two teams have the same number, as well as quadruple digit teams.)

Freaky 3 X 3 square of SBPLI winning alliance team numbers that reads the same horizontally as it does vertically (originally pointed out by AIBob):

3 5 8
5 2 7
8 7 0

Soooo, I did a brute-force statistical analysis on this, and here are the results:

From a computer program that randomizes three 3-digit team numbers, eliminating any combinations with repeated team numbers:

Using 10,000,000 sample combinations, the computed probability of hitting three team numbers that could line up in any order to form the 3 X 3 square that reads the same horizontally as vertically was: 0.60086%. I'd give this an accuracy of roughly +- 0.02%. This is close enough to say it's 6 out of 1,000.

Using the team list from SBPLI gives an absolute answer:
There are 40 teams, which can be combined into alliances of three in 9880 ways. Of these, only 3654 do not have a quadruple-digit team in them. (Double digits are okay;they get a leading zero.) Of the 3654, only 21 could be lined up into a 3 X 3 square that reads the same horizontally and vertically. (This is 0.575%, right as predicted.) They are:

028 028 028 028 287 352 352
270 271 287 287 871 527 527
806 810 870 871 711 270 271

352 353 353 353 358 358 358
566 527 545 545 500 527 527
263 371 352 358 806 870 871

358 527 533 545 545 545 884
570 271 352 417 496 496 871
806 711 329 570 564 566 417

The OVERALL probability of an alliance forming at random at SBPLI whose team numbers can be lined up into the 3 X 3 square thingy is 21/9880 or 0.21255%.

Conclusion: If you don't believe in fate, then this matchup is merely a 1 time out of 470 or so coincidence. Factor in that our three seating sections were lined up immediately adjacent to each other (forming one massive cheering section) and that this year's field layout is itself a 3 X 3 arrangement, and you could make a pretty convincing argument that this alliance was meant to be.

[527]phil

21-03-2005, 07:06

:eek:

DarkJedi613

21-03-2005, 08:23

Whoa that's crazy. :ahh:

Did any of you guys tape the awards ceremony? Specifically when we won the chairman's award? I'd like to get a copy of it if possible. :)

chinckley

21-03-2005, 10:51

How do we find the other regional standings, scores and winners.
I am interested in them all, but specifically the Detroit Regional (this past weekend) and West Michigan Regional (which is next weekend).

Thanks.

AIBob

21-03-2005, 11:10

Freaky 3 X 3 square of SBPLI winning alliance team numbers that reads the same horizontally as it does vertically (originally pointed out by AIBob):

3 5 8
5 2 7
8 7 0

Soooo, I did a brute-force statistical analysis on this, and here are the results:

From a computer program that randomizes three 3-digit team numbers, eliminating any combinations with repeated team numbers:

Using 10,000,000 sample combinations, the computed probability of hitting three team numbers that could line up in any order to form the 3 X 3 square that reads the same horizontally as vertically was: 0.60086%. I'd give this an accuracy of roughly +- 0.02%. This is close enough to say it's 6 out of 1,000.

Using the team list from SBPLI gives an absolute answer:
There are 40 teams, which can be combined into alliances of three in 9880 ways. Of these, only 3654 do not have a quadruple-digit team in them. (Double digits are okay;they get a leading zero.) Of the 3654, only 21 could be lined up into a 3 X 3 square that reads the same horizontally and vertically. (This is 0.575%, right as predicted.) They are:

028 028 028 028 287 352 352
270 271 287 287 871 527 527
806 810 870 871 711 270 271

352 353 353 353 358 358 358
566 527 545 545 500 527 527
263 371 352 358 806 870 871

358 527 533 545 545 545 884
570 271 352 417 496 496 871
806 711 329 570 564 566 417

The OVERALL probability of an alliance forming at random at SBPLI whose team numbers can be lined up into the 3 X 3 square thingy is 21/9880 or 0.21255%.

Conclusion: If you don't believe in fate, then this matchup is merely a 1 time out of 470 or so coincidence. Factor in that our three seating sections were lined up immediately adjacent to each other (forming one massive cheering section) and that this year's field layout is itself a 3 X 3 arrangement, and you could make a pretty convincing argument that this alliance was meant to be.
You forgot that we are in numerically increasing order while in the 3x3 block, which is less likely:

028 028 028 028
270 271 287 287
806 810 870 871

358 358 358
500 527 527
806 870 871

358
570
806
Which is 8/9880 = 0.0008097 or 0.08% or 1/1235

ahecht

21-03-2005, 14:38

You forgot that we are in numerically increasing order while in the 3x3 block, which is less likely:
You also forgot to mention that the two first teams have a third digit which is the sum of the first two digits (3+5=8, 5+2=7). The point is, there are an practically infinite number of interesting combinations, and while the odds of any one happening are small, the odds of any of them happening are quite large.

Mark McLeod

21-03-2005, 15:16

Wait, what about:

5+2+7 = 14
8+7+0 = 15
3+5+8 = 16

14+15+16=45 the score of our opponents in the one match we lost.

Must be kismet.

Revolverx7

21-03-2005, 15:23

Wait, what about:

5+2+7 = 14
8+7+0 = 15
3+5+8 = 16

14+15+16=45 the score of our opponents in the one match we lost.

Must be kismet.

Now thats just thinking too far into it.

AIBob

21-03-2005, 15:43

Now thats just thinking too far into it.
You can never think too far into anything, unless precious robotics time is on the line.

Tiki

21-03-2005, 17:04

yeah, My team (271) got into the finals at the SPBLI regional, we did relatively well, wouldve been better if we had gotten first though. Great job on everyones part, we lost by like 2 points, but our team mate knocked into us, causing us to drop a tetra before we could cap and win the final match.
Anyways, great job and Il'l see you at nationals (yes, team 271 is going). We are the mechanical marauders and we are usually the spiritless*, arrogant, villainous, tough guy team who, although it is contradicting to our personalities, help all other teams as much as we possibly can. Yes, even the adults have to be reminded to wear safety goggles on our team, but we will let you use our machine shop trailer, or borrow a wrench, or help you carry heavy things.
If ever you meet someone who has a "Bad Boys from Bay Shore" shirt on, don't be afraid to ask for anything, were here to act tough, and help.

*And when I mean spiritless, I mean that we don't dance, or bring mascots, or go crazy with decorations, but we have a hell of a lot of pride in our robot and our team.

Anyways, great job to the teams who won, but watch out for 271 in the nationals!

ZZII 527

21-03-2005, 17:37

Yea all that stuff about digits adding together and summing to scores I looked at and decided it was a bit of a stretch. If it was a magic square or something like that, then I think that would be proof that a higher power does exist.

[527]phil

21-03-2005, 17:50

As a great man once said "some things are better left alone"

Gusman1188

21-03-2005, 20:29

I have pulled some video that I had just gotten. It is the Final match of the finals at the SBPLI Regional featuring teams 358, 527, and 870 and at the end of the the video where it shows the final results, the score is correct but FIRST didn't put the correct team numbers up.
There is a low quality (4.5 meg) wmv and a high quality (30.5 meg) wmv. With the higher quality one you might be better off saving the target and then viewing it. If any teems are in need of the file at DV quality e-mail me at littler888*AT*hotmail.com or IM me: Gusman1188
Low Quality (http://crump.homedns.org:870/vids/SBPLI_Finals_Final_low.wmv)
High Quality (http://crump.homedns.org:870/vids/SBPLI_Finals_Final_high.wmv)

-Chris
Team 870 President

AIBob

21-03-2005, 23:05