2002 Divisions..

[Joel J]

YEEEESS!!! First has finally posted this years divisions for the championship event. They are here: http://www.usfirst.org/frc/public/FMPro?-db=team%20events.fp5&-lay=web&-format=team_list.htm&event=CMP&event%20year=2002&status=signed%20up&-sortfield=team%20id&-max=all&-find in the rightmost column..Fellow Newtoners, look out..hehe.

[Joe Johnson]

Really!

I am all butterflies inside.

Details, details, details.

1 week to obsess about it...

Joe J.

[Melissa Nute]

I'm exicted now...
one more week...

[Mike Soukup]

At first glance, it looks like FIRST did a decent job splitting up the divisions (skipping the obvious complaint that I would have loved to be in the same division as 60 or 469).

I don't agree with the way they divided the teams: take a block of 5-10 teams in numerical order and put them in division x, the next 5-10 in division y, etc, but it looks like it worked. I also noticed that 60 & 254 were in the same divsion so FIRST didn't necessarily split up teams that won regionals together.

Now I get to noodle over ways to get more QP than the Bomb Squad and pick out the best potential partners from the amazing crop of teams in Einstein (just in case we're fortunate enough to be picking).

Mike

PS - I wonder if being in Einstein means that we get to bake out in the sun more than the other divisions

[Bill Enslen]

They didn't make any attempt at all to spread out the Regional Champion teams. 16 are in Archimedes, including one 2-region winner, 11 in Curie, including two 2-region winners, and 7 each in Einstein and Newton.

[Dima]

intresting how its going to play out...

wonder if we get a rematch with 16 again!

[Bill Enslen]

After running the numbers through the MOE Supercomputer, it appears that, apart from the actual number of regional champions, each division is fairly equal. Here's the statistics, based solely on each team's results in regional Qualification Matches:
Newton Einstein Curie Archimedes
Avg Won/Loss % 53.2% 53.2% 49.2% 52.1%
Avg Highest QP 106.6 103.4 101.8 107.1
Avg QP 54.3 55.3 52.8 55.3

[Perseus]

if einstein is its own division this year, does that mean that the other three wont play any qualifiction matches on the big filed outside?

[Perseus]

look at the team list for the championship. If you look down the division column you will see that they is a repeated sequence of einstien, Arcimedes, curie, and newton. I know from the stats by bill that they are evn but can this be random??

[Dima]

I doubt that will happen i can already see some people being very unhappy if it does.

On the other hand i can the the first crew going "1.. 2.. 3.. NOT IT" i can already feel for them they are going to have to manage the field ALL DAY LONG BOTH DAYS

what i am wondering about is team sitting if FIRST is going to have us running all over the place that is going to make soo much traffic between the field its going to be craZy

[Ricky Q.]

Look out for the Newton Division, here we come!!! :D

[purplehaze357]

im soo excited i just cant hide it
im about to lose control
and i think i like it

Ok im done now...ive been waitng for this since....oOo mid-january...

Curie...Watch out Jester is in the house...well tent...same difference...you get the general idea

[Rick]

Originally posted by Joe Johnson
Really!

I am all butterflies inside.

Details, details, details.

1 week to obsess about it...


you should be scared 121 is in your division :D

[Raul]

Another way to look at the data that Ed Sparks provided to compare division strength:

Archimedes: 17 regional wins, 11 finalist, 3 #1-seed

Curie: 13 wins, 11 finalist, 7 #1-seed

Einstein: 9 wins, 6 finalist, 3 #-seed

Newton: 7 wins, 9 finalist, 4 #1-seed

From this we should conclude that Archimedes and Curie are the strongest divisions.

The amount of #1-seeds in Curie leads me to conclude that division will have the highest QP scores and the biggest battle for who gets to pick first.

[soap108]

Originally posted by Mike Soukup
Mike

PS - I wonder if being in Einstein means that we get to bake out in the sun more than the other divisions

Yes, but in case you haven't heard, all teams are to have a chance to play on einstein.....meaning we'll be playing some of our matches on an inside stage.

KA-108

[Joe Johnson]

I don't have any information, but I suppose that FIRST will have Einstien play on 1/4 of their matches on each field, while the non-Einstein divisions will play only on 3/4 of their matches on their home field and 1/4 on Einstein.

One way to do this would be to divide the seeding matchs up into 4 blocks (for example if there are 8 seeding matches per team, then matches 1 & 2 would be block 1, 3 & 4 would be block 2, and so on) and then have Einstein switch with each division in turn for blocks 1, 2, and 3, going to their home field only for the last block.

I know this is going to sort of stink for Einstein folks who will have to move 4 times while the other divisions will only have to move twice, but it seems silly to make others move just so that everyone is equally uncomfortable.

What do Einsteiners think?

Joe J.

[Chubtoad]

I've been waiting for the Nats since the closing ceremonies of last year's nats! Ask people on my team: I was like "CAN"T WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR WOOHOO!!!" I CANT" WAIT I CAN"T WAIT I CAN"T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STOP BY THE PIT AND SAY HI TO TIM JOHNSON!!!
If all goes well I'll have a sticker that says "HI MY NAME IS : CHUBTOAD" so everyone from CD can finally know who I am!!!
YEAHHH!!!!!!!!

[soap108]

what if:

assume:
120 matches / division

Scenario #1
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each division plays 30 matches on each stage.
Example:
Einstein: 1-30 on E, 31-60 on A, 61-90 on C, 91-120 on N.
Others likewise.

Bottom line: 25% of Einstein matches on Einstein


Scenario #2
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All divisions stay home, except for a one-time journey to Einstein.

Each team in the other 3 divisions plays at least once on Einstein (someone might play 2 just because of scheduling).
So, 72 teams / division means 72/4 = 18 matches per division on Einstein. (at most 19 for the odd-numbered team divisions)

minimum: 18 * 3 = 54 matches of non-Einstein gameplay on Einstein.

(120-54) / 120 = 55% of Einstein division matches played on Einstein.


your thoughts?
KA-108

[Raul]

The way it will work is explained in Update #8