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litchfieldc
01-12-2005, 10:25
After a recent quick trip to the first meeting at my school, my mind had a moment of clarity, and I came up with something :ahh:. Everyone, look at the Vex game. We may find that some of the hints can apply to that game. Banked ends (the slick surface), balls in goals (elements from old games), and 2 team alliances (maybe the relay thing everyones talking about). This could very well be the game. Or it could not be the game. I'm not sure.

Stu Bloom
01-12-2005, 11:58
I apologize in advance ... I know its just a typo but I just can't help myself ...

im contontent to wait and seeWell, I ... for one ... am glad you are not "in-contontent". :yikes:

KarenH
01-12-2005, 12:30
I think this is a legitimate clue that dave spoke about during build last year. I really don't know exactly what it means, but it is a potential clue. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=336815#post336815

What I'm thinking is, when FP messed up, and they are a great sponsor, don't get me wrong, but I think they offered us another deal of some sort. Thats how nice they are. They mess up a practical donation, then try to make up for it. Anyways, I feel that we may be able to look forward to new motor next year.
Quoting Dave from that post:
"Where FIRST has slipped up..."

THAT's our hint! "Slipped up," not "messed up." So, of course there will be a slippery surface. :D

sciguy125
01-12-2005, 14:40
I had a dream last night. The field will be octagonal. There will be 6 teams on the field at once. The scoring objects will be small balls (softball sized).

EricH
01-12-2005, 16:27
I had a scary thought last night. Remember earlier in this thread when several people were clamoring for the hint, Dave said, "You already have it," and someone said "start paging through his post history"? Well, I think we may have gotten it wrong. Remember the "Triple Replay" thread? Let's expand that to any FIRST game over the years. Before '99, they were 1v1v1. My scary thought was that the GDC has revised one of those games for 2v2v2, added something so we won't recognize it, and that is our new game. Scary, huh? But not all that unlikely. But unlikely just the same.

Alex Burman
01-12-2005, 17:59
I apologize in advance ... I know its just a typo but I just can't help myself ...

Well, I ... for one ... am glad you are not "in-contontent". :yikes:


thats what i get for posting before im fully awake
but if any of the ideas come true it would make for a very interesting game
p.s.i was just wondering...has anyone tried calling tammy? (sorry tammy for giving them the idea)

Rafi Ahmed
01-12-2005, 20:07
I had a scary thought last night. Remember earlier in this thread when several people were clamoring for the hint, Dave said, "You already have it," and someone said "start paging through his post history"? Well, I think we may have gotten it wrong. Remember the "Triple Replay" thread? Let's expand that to any FIRST game over the years. Before '99, they were 1v1v1. My scary thought was that the GDC has revised one of those games for 2v2v2, added something so we won't recognize it, and that is our new game. Scary, huh? But not all that unlikely. But unlikely just the same.

wow i never thought if it that way. Hmmmmm......

hey dave did u have to redesign the game yet? :D

Dan Petrovic
01-12-2005, 20:23
FLL and FRC seem to have some similarities. Like the ramp from 2003 games. And stairs from the following years.

Maybe 2006 will have a bit of Ocean Odyssey. Maybe flags? Or more ramps?

Flags seem to be most like batons. And maybe that's where the underwater rumor came from.

MattB703
01-12-2005, 22:33
I do not think we will see 1v1v1 or 2v2v2 again. Those who can remember 1998 will know what I am talking about. There was some very unfortunate situations that arose from that game design where 2 weaker teams would collaborate to eliminate the supposedly stronger team. It was the next year that alliances were introduced. At the kick-off either Dean or Woody said; "Last year some teams decided to work together, well, this year we are going to make you work together".

I don't think the game design committee would forget the problems with three competitors on the field at once.

Freddy Schurr
01-12-2005, 23:20
That would be kewl

Petey
02-12-2005, 00:46
any one want to add to this list?

Two possible truths:
1) Lower, more restrictive budget/more reliance on KOP
2) Shipment of Corechart programming software with each KOP

--Petey

Belldandyspaz
04-12-2005, 09:43
thanks mr. peterson. im assuming that KOP stands for Kit Of Parts. (i know im a n00b)

Petey
04-12-2005, 11:58
thanks mr. peterson. im assuming that KOP stands for Kit Of Parts. (i know im a n00b)

It does.

You're very welcome.

Looking for something to put in your sig? Permalink the list of knowns/unknowns. Here it is (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=419884&postcount=245).

Edit: A ha I just noticed you're from my team. True n00b, then, but good work on making this list! Enjoy HBHS. Tell Sabo to email me about the website and Janice that I said hi. I'll see you at kickoff.

--Petey

Richard Wallace
04-12-2005, 13:27
I have no insider information. But I do think it would be cool if the "hint" we already have turns out to be the current FVC game. Halfpipe Hustle with 130 lb. machines would be an exciting spectacle.

paul lathrop
04-12-2005, 17:34
You all are thinking way too much into these clues! The clues are to be a fun way to start our minds from being disabled over the season break.

Here is what I suggest about the new game:
1. 2 on 2
2. Old playing field dimensions
3. Relay Race between alliance members( one disabled at a time)
4. A lowered budget for the build season
5. The camera is going to come back I gar-entee it
6. The autonomous mode time will remain the same as it always has been
7. There will be aspects of the game that involve the camera ( remember how much it sucked with those vision tetras, double it)
8. No hovercraft, No water ( are you kidding me, what were you thinking?)

As for the rest of the game, I don't know but I got the team working on concepts that we missed out on last year
ex. DeWalt transmission, any arm idea that we can think of and just getting the new kids involve with the program.

I think the best thing to do is prepare for anything like a boyscout and just get some community service work done for the chairman's award.

You Know
Paul Lathrop
Team 1033
Chocolate Milk
Class of 2006

Levin571
04-12-2005, 21:19
seeing how Dave is an old fashioned kind of guy, I believe that this will be the reintroduction of "MAIZE CRAZE" and there will be tethers instead of radios and all the popcorn you can eat.

Or if i am going the wrong direction about this time travel thing, instead of going literally back in time, we will assume that the since Dave is a NASAite (or is it NASAian? I never get that right) the further we go away from earth, in theory time goes backwards (like if a tv emmision were to air here and someone went a few hundred trillion miles away from earth, he could watch it "live" in ten years) so what we must do is build robot that can fly so fast that it can catch a television news report with Dean Kamen still having a beard and Woody Flowers not wearing one of his imfamous student signed shirt. And if we still have time, we can watch the holy birth of JVN.

Andrew Blair
04-12-2005, 21:20
You all are thinking way too much into these clues! The clues are to be a fun way to start our minds from being disabled over the season break.

Here is what I suggest about the new game:
1. 2 on 2
2. Old playing field dimensions
3. Relay Race between alliance members( one disabled at a time)
4. A lowered budget for the build season
5. The camera is going to come back I gar-entee it
6. The autonomous mode time will remain the same as it always has been
7. There will be aspects of the game that involve the camera ( remember how much it sucked with those vision tetras, double it)
8. No hovercraft, No water ( are you kidding me, what were you thinking?)

As for the rest of the game, I don't know but I got the team working on concepts that we missed out on last year
ex. DeWalt transmission, any arm idea that we can think of and just getting the new kids involve with the program.

I think the best thing to do is prepare for anything like a boyscout and just get some community service work done for the chairman's award.

You Know
Paul Lathrop
Team 1033
Chocolate Milk
Class of 2006


I've got agree with you on everything but a few things. Namely, 1, 3, and 6. Three on three worked too well for FIRST to ditch it. Secondly, First (no pun intended) would not disable a team during the match because that would be even less play time in already short matches. Thirdly ( or sixthly??) the camera task has to be easier. Well, maybe not easier, but better thought out. Physically speaking, there was absolutely no margin for error in the autonomous. There simply wasn't time for it. FIRST never really thought out the time it'd take to finish the task in the time given. Ironic, considering how much effort they put into design. I guess they get just as excited as we do during build.

Winged Wonder
05-12-2005, 18:46
my brain hurts. perhaps i should have waited until after Exam Week to start looking through Chief Delphi again.

anyways...

Dave. You're cruel.
especially with your most recent post.

moving along, i like the ideas everyone has come up with... so far, i agree with a lot of what everyone else has come up with, but i'd like to elaborate more and hopefully bring some new ideas to the table from what i've gathered from Dave's hints without echoing whats been said before.

First of all, snow or ice or anything of that nature is highly unlikely, especially for those of us who live in areas that dont have snow or ice, since we are completely unfamiliar with that phenomina (those of you who saw the Pink Team in Denver last year saw for yourselves) and do not have an abundant supply of it during the months of January and early February.... however, perhaps there is a slick surface that the robot will have to deal with that has a coefficient of friction similar to that of ice against metal or something to that extent. Also, apparently there will have to be shelter from something... perhaps something like confetti will be involved. Especially if it is like those little squishy packaging things (that i have no idea what their name is) which would be relatively easy to clean up (sweep it!)... You all have been alluding to the vision cameras being used and the chicken coop... maybe there is a tunnel of some sorts that the robot has to go through... yet the drivers cant see it because it is placed perpendicular to their point of view, therefore the human player or the use of the camera must aid in getting from one point to another. Maybe the game involves cooperation by all of the teams involved (there is no loser), or maybe both sides of the field are NOT symmetric for once, giving each side a distinct advantage/disadvantage. nah.. that last one is too crazy, and its not based off of any hints. I dont even know what to think of the batons.... but quite frankly... i like the idea of not having fasteners or limiting fasteners on the final version of the robot (the one you ship and use for competition). even if we had last years game, we would most certainly have very different robots thanks to this rule. its not an impossible regulation... everyone just needs to think a little outside of the box and be more creative, not try to find loopholes or anything of that nature. :)

or maybe i'm just a crazy IB kid who's analyzing everything in far too much depth. ^^;

enjoy my 2 cents...

Jonathan Norris
05-12-2005, 22:39
I have played hockey for many years, and have regularly practiced on this fake ice surface which acts very much like ice. It is basically a very hard slick plastic surface which you can skate on. This could be a possibility for the ice like surface and it is relatively cheep, but definitely not as cheep as carpet or PVC.

litchfieldc
06-12-2005, 10:30
I think you may be onto something their. However, maybe the field won't be the slick surface everyone is talking about. Maybe the game objects will be made out of that slick plastic so that we will have a bigger challenge picking it up. Lets not rule out the possibility of a ramp either. That could be made out of something slick, so that when you go to get something from it (score multipliers, game objects, etc.) you slip down, unless of course you use your team mates to help you out. I can see the stratagies forming now. "Hey man, give me a boost so I can get up the ramp." :yikes:

Wetzel
06-12-2005, 10:34
"Hey man, give me a boost so I can get up the ramp." :yikes:

That happened in 2001. Some teams design allowed them help another team balance on the ramp.

Wetzel

Belldandyspaz
06-12-2005, 15:11
okay here is an updated hint list. i would edit the other hint list if i could but i can't.


Possible Truths
? Maybe an element of last year’s game will be in it
? Relay race type thing
? Points by time
? Maybe a horse type game
? 3 ways to score
? teams working together un-opposed to wrack up as many points
? vision by camera in game
? objects obstructing view of driver
? rods or sticks
? fine motor skills for robot
? different robots starting at different times
? event causing things to be released all over field (possibly packing peanuts or confetti)
? shelter areas for protection from something
? autonomous mode at end of game
? a difficult surface in the field somewhere, probably in the middle.
? Lower, more restrictive budget/more reliance on KOP
? Shipment of Corechart programming software with each KOP
? possibly slick objects that are hard to pick up
? Ramps

Possible hoaxes
? underwater game (picture of waterproof control thingy hoax)
? no metal
? no fasteners
? no water of any kind
? no snow


thank you to whomever i borrowed ideas from. as senora mireles always says "muchos puntos en mi corazon" keep giving ideas and ill keep posting every time i get 5 more ideas :D

Beta Version
06-12-2005, 18:49
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/MuffasaMini/atlantis5jpeg.jpg
of course we can do an underwater game, we've done it before ... dont you remember?

Belldandyspaz
06-12-2005, 18:51
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/MuffasaMini/atlantis5jpeg.jpg
of course we can do an underwater game, we've done it before ... dont you remember?

yeah... that was so photoshopped. i hate it when people do that it ticks me off :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Petey
06-12-2005, 20:20
yeah... that was so photoshopped. i hate it when people do that it ticks me off :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Calm down, young Skywalker. Of course it was photoshopped.

--Petey

Andrew Blair
06-12-2005, 20:24
yeah... that was so photoshopped. i hate it when people do that it ticks me off :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Heidi, if you can still read this, you'd better watch out....

Belldandyspaz
06-12-2005, 20:24
Calm down, young Skywalker. Of course it was photoshopped.

--Petey
i are sorry :( its just i think that people should be more productive with their posts instead of posting things that dont contribute to the topic.

Dan Petrovic
06-12-2005, 21:36
That robot looks a lot like ours

Winged Wonder
06-12-2005, 22:34
umm... lets get back on topic: 2006 Game Hints!

has Dave dropped any new hints lately or has anyone had an epiphany about the meaning of something lately?

litchfieldc
07-12-2005, 10:01
umm... lets get back on topic: 2006 Game Hints!

has Dave dropped any new hints lately or has anyone had an epiphany about the meaning of something lately?

Here here. Lets get back on track. By the way, nice photo, the last time I saw some technology underwater was when I dropped my old computer into an oil drum full of water at the dump. It was cool. No sharks however...

Petey
07-12-2005, 11:22
i are sorry :( its just i think that people should be more productive with their posts instead of posting things that dont contribute to the topic.

You mean like

yeah... that was so photoshopped. i hate it when people do that it ticks me off :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


Easy, bro. No hard feelings. We're on the same side. Just simmer down...this is a pretty welcoming Internet community to newbies, but there is a line, and you may be dancing close to it. I don't disagree with you...but the point may not need to be made.

A suggestion:

Continue making great contributions to the thread. Leave the police work to the mods.

--Petey

Belldandyspaz
07-12-2005, 15:25
You mean like




Easy, bro. No hard feelings. We're on the same side. Just simmer down...this is a pretty welcoming Internet community to newbies, but there is a line, and you may be dancing close to it. I don't disagree with you...but the point may not need to be made.

A suggestion:

Continue making great contributions to the thread. Leave the police work to the mods.

--Petey


alright im sorry lets get back on track

jacob07
07-12-2005, 16:31
Has first let out any "hints"? Or is this all people walking around in the dark to find the light switch

billbo911
07-12-2005, 16:53
Has first let out any "hints"? Or is this all people walking around in the dark to find the light switch
It's not all that dark. We use IR to see clearly. Didn't you get the memo? :p

BTW, the switch is right behind you on the wall next to the bin of batons.

jdhawg
07-12-2005, 17:11
OK folks. Can anyone explain why Dave's hint from this thread was never discussed?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=419437&postcount=14

A "Song that never ends" implies a never ending circle, or a ring. My guess is that we'll be playing a form of ringtoss.

First a hurricane, and now ringtoss. Will the madness never cease!?!?

lukevanoort
07-12-2005, 17:37
OK folks. Can anyone explain why Dave's hint from this thread was never discussed?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=419437&postcount=14

A "Song that never ends" implies a never ending circle, or a ring. My guess is that we'll be playing a form of ringtoss.

First a hurricane, and now ringtoss. Will the madness never cease!?!?

Ahh!!!! the robots will have to be shaped like a Mobius strip, NOOOOOOOO!

Serciously, this fits perfectly, floppies on batons! It's like the '03 stacking, but you pick up a baton and stick floppies on it and place it in a slot! Maybe the floppies are raining down from the roof like snow?

EricH
07-12-2005, 17:46
OK folks. Can anyone explain why Dave's hint from this thread was never discussed?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=419437&postcount=14

A "Song that never ends" implies a never ending circle, or a ring. My guess is that we'll be playing a form of ringtoss.
Did you miss the caption contest before that one? This was fully explained there. It's not a hint.

ChrisH
07-12-2005, 19:22
Did you miss the caption contest before that one? This was fully explained there. It's not a hint.

Just because it wasn't marked or flowed from natural conversation does not mean that it is not a hint. Dave can be a devious guy.

If he was more straight forward then maybe people wouldn't feel they have to analyze every word he posts. He could just add the following disclaimer to all his non-hint posts. "There are no Game hints in this post. If any supposed hints should be found in this post after the release of the 2006 game, they were completely unintentional" We know we can trust Dave on this. While I have observed occasions where he may have allowed somebody else to talk themselves into something that wasn't quite true, I have never know him to be knowingly false.

There you go Dave, the path to freedom from over analysis. Isn't fame grand!

dlavery
07-12-2005, 19:29
This post contains absolutely no hints.

You can trust me on this.

-dave

Wetzel
07-12-2005, 19:33
This post contains absolutely no hints.

You can trust me on this.

-dave

Are we sure? He didn't use the recommended disclaimer...

Does this mean the we will have something along the lines of doing something to mislead the opposistion during the game?

Wetzel

Gerry Salinas
07-12-2005, 20:19
Are we sure? He didn't use the recommended disclaimer...

Does this mean the scoring will have something along the lines of doing something to mislead the opposistion during the game?

Wetzel

Joking aside, deception is just a part of competitive strategy. If I can get you to think that whatever you're doing will prevent me from accomplishing my goals, when it will not, then I've wasted your time and possibly done more.

Belldandyspaz
07-12-2005, 20:29
okay this may sound noobish but what are floppy's? are they like floppy disks? or something completely different.

Wetzel
07-12-2005, 20:32
okay this may sound noobish but what are floppy's? are they like floppy disks? or something completely different.
http://www.team116.org/1999/Pictures/Practice.jpg
The red thing in the picture is a floppy. They were the game objects in 1999. They are like funny shaped beanbags, with the black center and black ring being velcro.

Wetzel

CoreyGill
07-12-2005, 20:32
lol here it is u guys...it was just scrambled up..that wasnt even dave posting it was Tossd T Evy


This contains hints. You can use bolts on the manipulator.

-Tossd T Evy

hahaha

Belldandyspaz
07-12-2005, 20:36
http://www.team116.org/1999/Pictures/Practice.jpg
The red thing in the picture is a floppy. They were the game objects in 1999. They are like funny shaped beanbags, with the black center and blac ring being velcro.

Wetzel

okay Thank you! :D

DonRotolo
07-12-2005, 20:59
... Maybe the game objects will be made out of that slick plastic so that we will have a bigger challenge picking it up....

Perhaps the Batons will be made out of ICE ! After the game they'll just melt into the carpet and disappear, reducing clean up and field reset time. Maybe all those puddles are where the viking ship comes from??? ;-)

Don

Arkorobotics
07-12-2005, 23:09
This post contains absolutely no hints.

You can trust me on this.

-dave

Hmmmm... NOT SURPRISING!!!
:ahh:

I bet the truth is hidden in a kevlar case under Dave's bed.

litchfieldc
08-12-2005, 10:01
This post contains absolutely no hints.

You can trust me on this.

-dave

Once again Mr. Lavery has put out a hint that proves their will be team work. However, I think this may be a way of saying there will be teams, but you can also work for the other side if you know what I mean, wink wink, nudge nidge, hint hint :ahh:. If this is true, look for a lot of fighting in the pits come game time. Maybe first will ban power tools so we won't kill each other. :)

Alex Burman
08-12-2005, 10:44
Once again Mr. Lavery has put out a hint that proves their will be team work. Of course there will be team work. It is one of the many ideal's FIRST strives to achieve.

However, I think this may be a way of saying there will be teams, but you can also work for the other side if you know what I mean, wink wink, nudge nidge, hint hint That has always been there. If you think back to coopertition. Helping out your competitors. Thats why they have the ranking points where it is based off the other teams score to ensure a close game

ChrisH
08-12-2005, 11:11
Are we sure? He didn't use the recommended disclaimer...

Does this mean the we will have something along the lines of doing something to mislead the opposistion during the game?

Wetzel

It is close enough for me. Now the question is will we be graciously professional enough to take him at his word? Right now it doesn't look like it to me.

How unfortunate

EricH
08-12-2005, 14:15
I know--If Dave has a disclaimer of any sort about no intentional hints (or hints of any sort, etc.), nobody analyzes that post. If there is no disclaimer, it's up for analyzing. I think we can trust Dave to not put hints in posts with disclaimers. (And the other suggested disclaimer: "Any perceived hints in this post are jokes. Analyzing them will cause great hilarity on the part of everyone other than the analyzer.")

KarenH
08-12-2005, 23:22
I know--If Dave has a disclaimer of any sort about no intentional hints (or hints of any sort, etc.), nobody analyzes that post. If there is no disclaimer, it's up for analyzing. I think we can trust Dave to not put hints in posts with disclaimers.
Poor Dave! Being singled out to put disclaimers on his posts, under specifications which even I, the English major, find confusing!

Disclaimer: I'm posting within 24 hours after undergoing a medical procedure before which I was instructed not to attempt anything requiring my full mental faculties within 24 hours after the procedure. Therefore, I am not responsible for this post. ;)

FIRSTgurl93
09-12-2005, 15:56
I'm pretty sure about the CMU camera. I guess they will re-inroduce it. As far as the shape goes,..............hm...........Triangles . Cause if you look at the history of first, it was all about rectangles..........then squares....... and now Triangle.
I also heard a rumor about some water game..........but naaaa i don't think so.
So as of now......me and my programming team is really workin hard on autonomous and camera code.

Actually if you look at the history of the shapes it makes sense if you link it with the logo of FIRST (Triangle, Circle, Square) now if you remember going on 4 years ago they had the bins that you had to tip over and stack back up so that was squares. Then they moved on to balls with the "Raising the Bar" game and then last year with the triangle tetras. So if they are following suit then the next thing in the pattern would be squares again.

Henry_Mareck
09-12-2005, 20:27
when considering game scanarios you have to consider a couple things:
1) ease of transport and set-up (no water :( ) 2) ease of reset (no packing peanuts or confetti) . Saftey is also important, as well as not including game pieces that could easily damage the robot, like bowling balls.
I think some people are forgetting these things and it makes for some interesting and improbable scenarios. (who can pick up the most peanuts in two minutes? :eek: ) I have not been around long enough to give any merit to the square, circle or triangle pattern theory. the pattern part aside, it is difficult to imagine a game that did NOT have any square, circle or triangle pieces on it. (dodecahedrons would be kinda intersting, though)

EricH
09-12-2005, 21:02
Triangle, circle, square is an interesting, but old, theory. If you just look at the manipulated objects, it really only applies 2003-2004-2005 (squarish totes, balls, tetras). The vast majority of the games since 1997 (2003 and 2005 are the only exceptions) have had round objects to maneuver, mostly balls. The movable playing field elements have been hexagonal for the most part. If there is a triangle, circle, square set of elements, it will likely be with the circles as game objects and the triangles and squares and part of the field (as in 2000). Of course, I could be wrong and it's another way around. So, I think that any more discussion of this theory is pointless, especially because there are only 28 days left until kickoff, when everything will be revealed and we will kick ourseves for not getting Dave's hints right.

Belldandyspaz
11-12-2005, 18:25
hey guys here is my updated list for hints and hoaxes please keep on contributing hints


Possible Truths
? Maybe an element of last year’s game will be in it
? Relay race type thing
? Points by time
? Maybe a horse type game
? 3 ways to score
? teams working together un-opposed to wrack up as many points
? vision by camera in game
? objects obstructing view of driver
? rods or sticks
? fine motor skills for robot
? different robots starting at different times
? event causing things to be released all over field (possibly packing peanuts or confetti)
? shelter areas for protection from something
? autonomous mode at end of game
? a difficult surface in the field somewhere, probably in the middle.
? Lower, more restrictive budget/more reliance on KOP
? Shipment of Corechart programming software with each KOP
? possibly slick objects that are hard to pick up
? Ramps
? use of Easy C for programming
? possibility of a free for all
? possibility of deception being a strategy for winning

Possible hoaxes
? underwater game (picture of waterproof control thingy hoax)
? no metal
? no fasteners
? no water of any kind
? no snow


thank you to whomever i borrowed ideas from. as senora mireles always says "muchos puntos en mi corazon" keep giving ideas and ill keep posting every time i have alot more ideas. if you wish to contact me for errors or stuff please contact me via AIM (rikkufan123), my email adress ( rikkufan123@aim.com ), or by private messaging me.

Kyle Love
11-12-2005, 18:52
So, Dave, Where's our official hint!?!?!?!?:)

slickguy2007
11-12-2005, 19:14
You can trust me on this.

-dave

Does this imply a team game? You can trust your team member on top of something? Hmm.... maybe I am thinking too much into this one. :p

GO 1403!!!

lukevanoort
11-12-2005, 19:33
I think Dave is saying that he has been lying this whole time. Personally, I think he just makes (maybe) one post that has to do with the game. Then he makes random posts, and just hopes that there is a hint in them.

litchfieldc
12-12-2005, 10:01
Of course there will be team work. It is one of the many ideal's FIRST strives to achieve.

That has always been there. If you think back to coopertition. Helping out your competitors. Thats why they have the ranking points where it is based off the other teams score to ensure a close game

If you actually read think about what my post says, :mad: you will realize that I meant you can go Benedict Arnold during the game. I did not mean helping out your competitiors in the pits. I realize that gracious professionalism is a big goal of first, because we exercise it on our team as well.

Mike o.
12-12-2005, 10:35
The option to go and help another team during a compeition match has always been there. In fact i have seen it done before, hence again to ensure a close match and to make sure that the winning teams gains more points, since you rank is dependant on the losing teams score. Although i have never really seen a team that all out went against their own alliance, but once agian, the ability to do that has been here all along. is that now what you meant?

mike

Winged Wonder
12-12-2005, 19:33
OK folks. Can anyone explain why Dave's hint from this thread was never discussed?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=419437&postcount=14

A "Song that never ends" implies a never ending circle, or a ring. My guess is that we'll be playing a form of ringtoss.

First a hurricane, and now ringtoss. Will the madness never cease!?!?


Did you miss the caption contest before that one? This was fully explained there. It's not a hint.

just because something is "fully explained" doesnt mean its not a hint... and since no one tried to take a stab at figuring out what (if anything) that post by Dave means (since you all went off on a tangent to figure out which of Daves posts were valid and which ones werent).. i'm going to try:

he repeats the song that never ends (from the old tv show Lamb Chops , right? or something like that.. i'm not terribly sure, i vaguely remember it from when i was really little) SIX TIMES.. so that probably means six robots on the field... i'm not sure if the concept of forever has anything to do with it... but perhaps the game lasts longer than it used to.. maybe longer than battery life, and because of that, you'd have to conserve your battery by being able to shut off your robot at certain times? i dont know.. maybe i'm overanalyzing nothing.

I think Dave is saying that he has been lying this whole time. Personally, I think he just makes (maybe) one post that has to do with the game. Then he makes random posts, and just hopes that there is a hint in them.

nah. i doubt his posts are random. i'm pretty sure Dave has a reason behind every single one of his posts... whether it is to drive us all crazy with ambiguity in game hints or if its to share some words of wisdom... i'm almost positive that Dave thinks before he clicks "Submit Reply" in any thread.

ChrisH
12-12-2005, 19:49
... i'm almost positive that Dave thinks before he clicks "Submit Reply" in any thread. {emphasis mine}

I'm sure he appreciates that expression of condfidence ;)

Henry_Mareck
12-12-2005, 23:36
correct me if im wrong, but i count 8 times. 4v4 or 2v2v2v2 or 4v2v2?
i counted the word because because its cool and it has periods after it

edit: now that i think about it, 4v4, etc would be amazingly crowded unless the field get bigger, or the robots get smaller
preferably the first one

Birdman1011395
13-12-2005, 00:07
hey guys here is my updated list for hints and hoaxes please keep on contributing hints


Possible Truths
? Maybe an element of last year’s game will be in it
? Relay race type thing
? Points by time
? Maybe a horse type game
? 3 ways to score
? teams working together un-opposed to wrack up as many points
? vision by camera in game
? objects obstructing view of driver
? rods or sticks
? fine motor skills for robot
? different robots starting at different times
? event causing things to be released all over field (possibly packing peanuts or confetti)
? shelter areas for protection from something
? autonomous mode at end of game
? a difficult surface in the field somewhere, probably in the middle.
? Lower, more restrictive budget/more reliance on KOP
? Shipment of Corechart programming software with each KOP
? possibly slick objects that are hard to pick up
? Ramps
? use of Easy C for programming
? possibility of a free for all
? possibility of deception being a strategy for winning

Possible hoaxes
? underwater game (picture of waterproof control thingy hoax)
? no metal
? no fasteners
? no water of any kind
? no snow


thank you to whomever i borrowed ideas from. as senora mireles always says "muchos puntos en mi corazon" keep giving ideas and ill keep posting every time i have alot more ideas. if you wish to contact me for errors or stuff please contact me via AIM (rikkufan123), my email adress ( rikkufan123@aim.com ), or by private messaging me.


Umm, if "? no snow" is a possible hoax, wouldn't that make it a possible truth?

EricH
13-12-2005, 00:09
he repeats the song that never ends (from the old tv show Lamb Chops , right? or something like that.. i'm not terribly sure, i vaguely remember it from when i was really little) SIX TIMES.. so that probably means six robots on the field... i'm not sure if the concept of forever has anything to do with it... but perhaps the game lasts longer than it used to.. maybe i'm overanalyzing nothing.
Note: As I said before, you guys missed the caption contest before this. Dave posted this song THREE TIMES in that one thread (and each time had too many repetitions). Possibly (though I suspect I'm reading something in that wasn't there) this means that we will have three robots on a side again. Maybe the rounds will seem to go on forever (repetition) or maybe this is the official clue and it's being released early :ahh: ! Nahh--I better stop thinking for a while.

Henry_Mareck
13-12-2005, 01:02
overall, i cant see 8 robots at a time as option, and reverting back to 4 robots doesnt seem like and option either. hmmm. 26 days . . . .

edit: hmm. its tuesday already. 25 days, then

litchfieldc
13-12-2005, 10:02
I wouldn't put it past first to enlarge the field so we could have more robots on it. As well, with regards to the "song that never ends" hint, I think that maybe it will mean that robots will be stuck in autonomaus mode until a certain task is completed.

phrontist
13-12-2005, 10:11
I wouldn't put it past first to enlarge the field so we could have more robots on it. As well, with regards to the "song that never ends" hint, I think that maybe it will mean that robots will be stuck in autonomaus mode until a certain task is completed.

FIRST will not, under any circumstances, force rookies to do autonomus. Fuggetaboutit.

If anything, I'd say this means what I've wanted it to mean all along ( :D ), namely that this year's game will allow us to remain in autonomus mode as long as we want, with some sort of scoring incentive to do so.

Henry_Mareck
13-12-2005, 14:00
i think that you get bonus points for doing something autonomously, like the vision tetras, without the 15 second "Limit".
There will probably still be the statndard 15 seconds of autonomous, but maybe teams will be allowed to stay in autonomous the entire match, and you get 2x points or something for everything you score autonomously.

edit: hmmmm, I guess im kinda repeating phrontist.

lukevanoort
13-12-2005, 15:28
If first did go to more robots, I think IFI would need to make a new OI <--> FRC communication method. From what I hear the interference at nats last year was pretty bad with four fields/six robots a field.

Belldandyspaz
13-12-2005, 17:00
Umm, if "? no snow" is a possible hoax, wouldn't that make it a possible truth?

the term hoax means highly unlikely. this has been made for things backed up with fake evidence but can still be possible.

Henry_Mareck
13-12-2005, 18:46
i think you are misunderstanding what birdman was saying.
To clarify for all!
if a hoax is something highly unlikely, and the hoax is no snow
(highly unlikely) there will be (no snow)
nagatives cancel out = likley there will be snow :eek:
darn grammar . . . . .

artdutra04
14-12-2005, 09:52
The snow hint is not a hoax, but a truly valid clue. After all, if you go by previous statistics, there is about a 99.99% chance that snow will be involved this year. After all, when was the last year that anyone could remember when it was not snowing during the kickoff in New Hampshire? :p

As for snow being involved in the actual game, that's another story...

litchfieldc
14-12-2005, 12:33
Maybe we are looking at snow the wrong way. THink of it this way, snow covers everything in a blanket of white. Maybe we will need to remove a cover of some type from the game objectives. As well, snow also melts over time. Maybe our robots will have their power slowly turned down during the match, making you think about the order in which you will do things. It will also make all teams (my team is guilty of this to so don't get mad at me) need to consider making robots that can opperate on little power.

Paradox1350
14-12-2005, 12:49
The snow hint is not a hoax, but a truly valid clue. After all, if you go by previous statistics, there is about a 99.99% chance that snow will be involved this year. After all, when was the last year that anyone could remember when it was not snowing during the kickoff in New Hampshire? :p

As for snow being involved in the actual game, that's another story...

Heh, didn't the boradcasting van freeze last year or the year before? At some point there was at least a half hour delay at the kickoff due to sheer cold, which I'm sure was not hindered by the snow on the ground.

JamesBrown
14-12-2005, 13:56
If first did go to more robots, I think IFI would need to make a new OI <--> FRC communication method. From what I hear the interference at nats last year was pretty bad with four fields/six robots a field.

This maybe where the snow ties in, WHile I find it unlikly FIRST wil add more teams per match again I figured Id throw this out there

note: Snow is another term for disruptive interferences it comes from the static noise on radios and the white stuf on old tv's when you lose reception

Mike o.
14-12-2005, 15:44
aight, maybe i might just be a little crazy, but has anyone thought about an inverted version of stack attack?? I dont know, but i was just throwing that idea out there...................anyone besides me think that coule be possible

mike

Henry_Mareck
14-12-2005, 15:49
For those of us who were not aware FIRST even existed in 2003 :( could someone enlighen us to the game that year?
(2003 was stack attack, right?)

Mike o.
14-12-2005, 15:53
yes, stack attack was in 2003. The general set-up of stack attack was the regular playing field with a ramp and platform in the middle of the field, with a stack of sterilite storage containers on the platform. the object of the game was to make the highest stack (the multiplier) and the most amount of the boxes on your side. the platform was made of slick HDPE and the ramp was made of wire mesh. Robots would start on ground level beside the ramp opposite their player station. hope that clears some things up.

BRosser314
14-12-2005, 15:58
has the actual game hint been released from FIRST or are these just ideas and statements being posted?

EricH
14-12-2005, 16:03
has the actual game hint been released from FIRST or are these just ideas and statements being posted?
Hang on a couple weeks or so--FIRST will release the hint about a week before kickoff. You will know when someone finds it and starts a thread to deal with it. So far, these are possible hints from a game designer (or at least a game animator).

Henry_Mareck
14-12-2005, 16:20
yeah thanks
so when you say inverted, do you mean unstacking, or something with a ceiling or a roof?

Mike o.
14-12-2005, 16:31
basically stack attack, but a field similar to the VEX game this year. so now the platform would be at floor level and then have a ramp upwards and then the carpet that was at ground level is now an elevated platform, so now essentiall the robots are starting in the way of the players view and you have to score on the opposite side from you

Joe Matt
14-12-2005, 19:59
Didn't Dave mention something about snow at VCU last year? ;) :p

scitobor 617
14-12-2005, 20:11
Didn't Dave mention something about snow at VCU last year? ;) :p

Yup thats where this idea came from. My take on the possible snow hint is that this years game play could be like snow flakes, no two matches can be played the same way. For example, a scoring object that can be located at different places on the field at the start of a match, similar to the vision tetras or the reflective stacks in Stack Attack.

eiii
15-12-2005, 10:45
Something I recently got via email from my team leader...

the competition is apparently performed on carpet, so we need to take that into account when we design (i think like outdoor carpet)
dale yocum is the admin for this area, so he has seen the course--but he can't tell us anything--except that past courses have been 54x27 feet, and this year will not use anything as easy as the tetras of last year--he ominously noted that 'wood and diamond plate' would be needed to build a practice course.

coastertux
15-12-2005, 14:49
eiii, carpet is the usual field surface (as far as I know).
Also, I doubt that anyone except those creating this years game have seen the field.

Ian Curtis
15-12-2005, 14:55
Not to mention wood has been used by teams for a long time to construct parts of the field and Diamond Plate traditionally is used for the Operator Area barrier thing-a-ma-bobber. :D

EricH
15-12-2005, 15:01
eiii, carpet is the usual field surface (as far as I know).
Also, I doubt that anyone except those creating this years game have seen the field.
Right on both counts. Carpet (low pile, much like a lot of places might use in a lobby) is the traditional field material, with HDPE appearing a couple of times in small areas. And I would be very surprised if someone other than the GDC (Game Design Committee) and the field building crew has even had a glimpse of the field yet.

Alan Anderson
15-12-2005, 15:44
eiii, carpet is the usual field surface (as far as I know).
Historically, it's been a specific carpet named Sequoia 20 (in "ground pepper" color). We'll find out in just over three weeks if that'll be the case again for next year's game.

Erin Rapacki
15-12-2005, 15:58
Didn't Dave mention something about snow at VCU last year? ;) :p

Hmmm, it seems that snow has been done, maybe he's alluding to an ice storm, freezing rain, or hail. There could be surfaces with low friction, spherical objects that bounce and put dents into things, or maybe gun that sprays goop that sticks onto everything!

I hope for no goop though, that'll be a pain to clean up after a competition is over :rolleyes: .

erin

Elgin Clock
15-12-2005, 16:22
And is that the 2004-era Blue-robot-with-an-obscenely-huge-jointed-arm in the background?


Yup.

That reoccurring robot was in the 2003 animation as well.. It reached in at the last minute in an incredible gravity defying feat and put a tote from one end of the field to the other while on top of the ramp.]


edit: I only read the first 15 pages so far.. I'll have more to comment on when I finish the rest I'm sure.

dlavery
15-12-2005, 16:48
That reoccurring robot was in the 2003 animation as well.. It reached in at the last minute in an incredible gravity defying feat and put a tote from one end of the field to the other while on top of the ramp.

Nope. That was a different robot. It was similar, but not the same one. The 2003 version had four single-DOF dual-bar joints on the arm, while the 2004-2005 version had five three-DOF single-strut joints.

-dave

Greg Needel
15-12-2005, 17:05
Right on both counts. Carpet (low pile, much like a lot of places might use in a lobby) is the traditional field material, with HDPE appearing a couple of times in small areas. And I would be very surprised if someone other than the GDC (Game Design Committee) and the field building crew has even had a glimpse of the field yet.


i doubt this is true...most of the official kick-offs have a field, or at least a portion of one build by a private group of people ( non associated with a FIRST team) and at this point i would almost guarantee that those people have seen the field plans and are probably building right now.

Stu Bloom
15-12-2005, 17:05
Nope. That was a different robot. It was similar, but not the same one. The 2003 version had four single-DOF dual-bar joints on the arm, while the 2004-2005 version had five three-DOF single-strut joints.

-dave
Oh no ... here we go again ...

DAVE ... STOP THAT !! :yikes: :ahh:

Now everyone will be trying to figure out your "new clue" ...

Winged Wonder
15-12-2005, 18:35
i dont think that post Dave just made has a clue in it... i think for once he's just elaborating on the robot used in the animation.

eiii
15-12-2005, 21:11
eiii, carpet is the usual field surface (as far as I know).
Also, I doubt that anyone except those creating this years game have seen the field.
I wasn't talking about the carpet-- I was talking about the wood/diamond plate.

Belldandyspaz
16-12-2005, 08:50
Nope. That was a different robot. It was similar, but not the same one. The 2003 version had four single-DOF dual-bar joints on the arm, while the 2004-2005 version had five three-DOF single-strut joints.

-dave
this is probably just dave being silly although it may be a hint as to a possible way of constructing the robot for ease of use.

Belldandyspaz
16-12-2005, 08:59
OK guys here is yet another list of hints for y'all. i hope i have cleared up most of the confusion between hoaxes and all that. thank you all for contributing to this. if i missed anything please contact me directly. my contact information is below.

more likely
? Maybe an element of last year’s game will be in it
? Relay race type thing
? Points by time
? Maybe a horse type game
? 3 ways to score
? teams working together un-opposed to wrack up as many points
? vision by camera in game
? objects obstructing view of driver
? rods or sticks
? fine motor skills for robot
? different robots starting at different times
? event causing things to be released all over field (possibly packing peanuts or confetti)
? shelter areas for protection from something
? autonomous mode at end of game
? a difficult surface in the field somewhere, probably in the middle.
? Lower, more restrictive budget/more reliance on KOP
? Shipment of Core chart programming software with each KOP
? possibly slick objects that are hard to pick up
? Ramps
? use of Easy C for programming
? possibility of a free for all
? possibility of deception being a strategy for winning
? longer match times (possibly over battery life)
? six robots on field (from last year)
? being able to shut your robot off remotely and start fast
? being able to steal something from the opposing team/robots (thank you for clarifying the "fox is in the hen house" hint Janice)


less likely
? underwater game (picture of waterproof control thingy hoax)
? no metal
? no fasteners
? no water of any kind
? no snow

if you wish to contact me for errors or stuff please contact me via AIM (rikkufan123), my email address ( rikkufan123@aim.com ), or by private messaging me. :)

Alex Burman
16-12-2005, 16:24
Hey maybe they FIRST will take a twist and go with a themed game like FLL does.

in all of Dave's posts he has My OTHER CAR (http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/home/index.html) is still on Mars!!! on the FRC website they had a link to this http://robotics.nasa.gov/courses/fall05/
and if anyone remembers at Atlanta 2005 at the vex celebration they had that RC mars rover on the simulated mars terrain.

we could have a mars theme possibly especialy with nasa's anouncement of returning to space

Andrew Blair
16-12-2005, 16:32
Hey maybe they FIRST will take a twist and go with a themed game like FLL does.


I really hope not. What would FIRST be without grey ( I know, Sequoia #something) carpet, diamond plate and Lexan?

The plus side would be we could attach everything with that neat plastic velcro type stuff they use...:D

Alex Burman
16-12-2005, 16:49
speaking of FLL i was just looking around on the site at the game and http://www.firstlegoleague.org/sitemod/upload/Root/images/2005Challenge/mission_pipeline.jpg
that kinda looks like a baton

EricH
16-12-2005, 23:10
I wasn't talking about the carpet-- I was talking about the wood/diamond plate.
Noting your team number, I don't blame you for this, but if you have any match videos or photos from previous years, look at them. If you see the player station, what is the lower half made out of? Diamond plate. If you see a practice field from a couple years ago, you will see: plywood. In the game, what is plywood in practice was diamond plate or HDPE or something similar. This is probably not a hint, as most of the teams know that they will likely need plywood to build a practice field. Most teams might not bother with the player station unless it is a game object, and maybe not even then.

The field plans traditionally included with the game use a lot of wood. 2x4s, 1/4" plywood, little blocks of whatever...the list goes on.

Jon Jack
16-12-2005, 23:21
i doubt this is true...most of the official kick-offs have a field, or at least a portion of one build by a private group of people ( non associated with a FIRST team) and at this point i would almost guarantee that those people have seen the field plans and are probably building right now.

Aren't those plans are available for anyone who hosts a kick-off, signs a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) AND is over the age of 25.

Beta Version
17-12-2005, 01:25
? use of Easy C for programming

The easier C++ programming is probably just the labView pilot program thats going on for those that submitted an application

Courtneyb1023
17-12-2005, 11:33
Aren't those plans are available for anyone who hosts a kick-off, signs a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) AND is over the age of 25.

NOTE:The following is actually a post by NoRemorse!! (I don't want to sign off my girlfriends account on her laptop)

I was unaware of the age limit.... You need to Sign an NDA and not be on a team. Trust me on this.

Richard Wallace
17-12-2005, 17:16
I have not signed an NDA nor do I have any advance information on the 2006 game. I can confirm that some folks involved in planning our local kick-off event (STL) have received information to help them purchase materials and construct game pieces, field elements, etc. Two of our regional committee members brought the topic up during a planning meeting earlier this week -- before they disclosed any details, several of us who are connected with teams excused ourselves and left the meeting.

vic burg
18-12-2005, 14:23
speaking of FLL i was just looking around on the site at the game and http://www.firstlegoleague.org/sitemod/upload/Root/images/2005Challenge/mission_pipeline.jpg
that kinda looks like a baton


yes but with that peice, they have to push it in another direction and push another peice into it... way too much and takes up about a good 20-30 second with those little things.. imagine frc sized robots......

but yes, maybe something similar... having to do with bringing down something else onto the field would make sense... or maybe igniting another part of the field actice.. who knows?!

Alex Burman
18-12-2005, 21:17
I was thinking that the part would be weighted but the robots would be able to pick it up or push it, there could be a ramp in the middle and the alliance get bonus points if they push or carry it up the ramp
there could be various tiered smaller platforms on the sides of the ramp each worth different point values if the object it placed on them, and on the left and right of the ramp would be a zone where the robots can push the object.

Rampant Hero
21-12-2005, 16:08
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Richard Wallace
21-12-2005, 16:12
|-|3y h45 7h3r3 833n 4ny upd4735, 4nd wh3n w1|| 7h3 0ff1(14| h1n7 (0m3 0u7No updates yet. See earlier posts above: official hint may come out next week, or maybe during the week before kickoff.

nice use of l33t

Matt Krass
21-12-2005, 23:09
nice use of l33t

Not really...it's kind of obnoxious....

Anyways, I wanna see toroids, we're over due for a game object like that and that'd be fun to manipulate, hang, stack, throw, roll...oh the possibilities!

litchfieldc
22-12-2005, 09:58
Anyways, I wanna see toroids, we're over due for a game object like that and that'd be fun to manipulate, hang, stack, throw, roll...oh the possibilities!

What is a toroid.

Richard Wallace
22-12-2005, 10:00
What is a toroid.Think of a donut, hula hoop, or inner tube.

Jon Jack
22-12-2005, 11:23
Well Matt might be getting his way this year:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40955

Travis Hoffman
22-12-2005, 13:48
If first did go to more robots, I think IFI would need to make a new OI <--> FRC communication method. From what I hear the interference at nats last year was pretty bad with four fields/six robots a field.

http://www.elabtronics.com/CorechartFR_FRC_Example_Manual.pdf

On Page 3, under the "Select Controller Model" dialog box, tell me if you see anything of interest listed there.....

By the way, since the Core Chart people are based in Australia, and Australia has Aborigines, where you have to go (out) back to see them, and Aborigines throw boomerangs, and boomerangs are flat and not too dissimilar from batons, and a boomerang's flight path is a continuous loop which never ends, the field object will undoubtedly be boomerangs. Robots will release the boomerangs in autonomous like the balls in 2004, and the human players will score points by throwing the boomerangs at life sized cardboard cutouts of Billfred while skating on HDPE. But beware, the robots will most likely be very dexterous themselves, and they can use their complex manipulators to chuck boomerangs back at the human players. In addition, the 2006 game will be marked by the return of the placebo in the form of a robot painted MOE-green that will wander randomly about the field. Any robot who successfully detects the placebo with its CMU-CAM and hits it with a boomerang gets another 30 seconds in the amazing gee whiz super bonus final autonomous robot disco dance competition round at the end of each match.

:rolleyes:

Peter Matteson
22-12-2005, 14:19
Anyways, I wanna see toroids, we're over due for a game object like that and that'd be fun to manipulate, hang, stack, throw, roll...oh the possibilities!

I'm hoping for a moebius loop. :D

I also think calvinball-esque rules would be a nice twist http://www.simplych.com/cb_rules.htm

Pete

phrontist
22-12-2005, 16:17
Toroids? Again? (http://www.firstwiki.org/Toroid_Terror)

Andy Baker
23-12-2005, 00:17
I'm hoping for a moebius loop. :D

Pete

Eh... no problem. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28213&page=1&)


AB

litchfieldc
23-12-2005, 09:57
Mobius Strips? AAAAAAAAUUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!!


I know what a mobius strip is



*I hope this is a joke.

Wetzel
23-12-2005, 12:06
Some overheard tidbits.
"Inner tubes" - first in a list of prior game pieces.
"blah blah blah IFI doing something else I can't talk about blah blah blah"


Wetzel

Travis Hoffman
23-12-2005, 12:27
Some overheard tidbits.
"Inner tubes" - first in a list of prior game pieces.
"blah blah blah IFI doing something else I can't talk about blah blah blah"


Wetzel

For those of you who might have missed my innuendo in my previous post in this thread, I believe there may be a new RC this year ("IFIRC 2006"), based upon a clue provided in the CoreChart .pdf file I linked to. No idea whether this will actually be the case or what, if any, new capabilities of such a revamped RC would be....

Jon Jack
23-12-2005, 13:34
Some overheard tidbits.
"Inner tubes" - first in a list of prior game pieces.
"blah blah blah IFI doing something else I can't talk about blah blah blah"


Where is this list of prior games pieces?

phrontist
23-12-2005, 13:44
Where is this list of prior games pieces?

FIRSTwiki's entry on games (http://www.firstwiki.org/FRC_Games)

phrontist
23-12-2005, 13:49
I think the game piecs are going to be toroids, specifically inner-tubes ala Toroid Terror (http://www.firstwiki.org/Toroid_Terror) ! :D

Think about it, at VCU 2005 Dave talked about snow... "tubing" is done on the snow. It's also one of the game peices that hasn't been "recycled" yet. A "baton" of some sort may form a barbell-esque configuration. :ahh:

Wetzel
23-12-2005, 14:18
Some overheard tidbits.
"Inner tubes" - first in a list of prior game pieces.
"blah blah blah IFI doing something else I can't talk about blah blah blah"
Where is this list of prior games pieces?

It was overheard, as it said.

Wetzel

lkdjm
23-12-2005, 15:52
:D



Or did they?



Exactly.

Man, this is going to piss off so many of the hard core command line people. Egalitarian code! What nonsense!

--Petey
http://www.elabtronics.com/CorechartFR_FRC_Example_Manual.pdf

I think this would make programming FAR too easy! It is like FLL again. This could potentially eliminate programmers! While this would be far easier, it is not the real world. You don't learn anything when you are using icons a 10 year old could figure out. Unless you know what is going on in the background, there is no learning experience! I am a little pissed, and am not even close to being a "hard-core programmer"

phrontist
23-12-2005, 17:01
http://www.elabtronics.com/CorechartFR_FRC_Example_Manual.pdf

I think this would make programming FAR too easy! It is like FLL again. This could potentially eliminate programmers! While this would be far easier, it is not the real world. You don't learn anything when you are using icons a 10 year old could figure out. Unless you know what is going on in the background, there is no learning experience! I am a little pissed, and am not even close to being a "hard-core programmer"

If you're code can be easily reproduced in core chart, you weren't a very good programmer anyway.

Gene F
27-12-2005, 13:47
Hey! Has anyone noticed the picture added to Dave's header. It shows him at the Box Car Willy Memorial overpass. This too could be a hint. All those posts stating they weren't hints didn't mean that the header wasn't a hint. Maybe we'll be on a track this year? Maybe we'll need some sort of "boxcar" to carry things around. Maybe there will be some sort of overpass ala 2001, 2003. In the verbage that is with the picture he talks about the '70s. Will we have to wear bell bottoms? Wait!!! "Water Gate" was in the '70s, maybe there will be water! What do you think?

Gurdian
30-12-2005, 19:50
In the verbage that is with the picture he talks about the '70s. Will we have to wear bell bottoms? Wait!!! "Water Gate" was in the '70s, maybe there will be water! What do you think?

I beleive that this reinforces the threads that are associated with Joe Montana. Remember Montana played for the 49ers during the 70's...

Elgin Clock
31-12-2005, 02:41
I beleive that this reinforces the threads that are associated with Joe Montana. Remember Montana played for the 49ers during the 70's...

Actuallly, he was only with the 49'ers one year in the 70's. Yep, the same year I was born. 1979. So, he's as much a 49'ers 70's player as I am a 70's kid. (re: Not that much)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Montana

1979-1992 San Fran. 49ers

Cory
31-12-2005, 02:43
I beleive that this reinforces the threads that are associated with Joe Montana. Remember Montana played for the 49ers during the 70's...

Actuallly, he was only with the 49'ers one year in the 70's. Yep, the same year I was born. 1979. So, he's as much a 49'ers 70's player as I am a 70's kid. (re: Not that much)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Montana

For all practical purposes, 1979 didn't even count. He threw something like 25 passes all year.

If indeed something in the hint is referring to Joe, and the time period in which he played, it's almost certainly referring to the 80's.

Mr.G
31-12-2005, 09:36
Hey! Has anyone noticed the picture added to Dave's header. It shows him at the Box Car Willy Memorial overpass. This too could be a hint. All those posts stating they weren't hints didn't mean that the header wasn't a hint. Maybe we'll be on a track this year? Maybe we'll need some sort of "boxcar" to carry things around. Maybe there will be some sort of overpass ala 2001, 2003. In the verbage that is with the picture he talks about the '70s. Will we have to wear bell bottoms? Wait!!! "Water Gate" was in the '70s, maybe there will be water! What do you think?

If you click on the picture in Dave's header is hasn't been modified since last June. I don't think that is a clue.

1075master
04-01-2006, 14:17
having fun guys?? i'm not even bothering to figure it out.. but just to let u water ppl know something.. water and robots don't mix!!! water + electricity = lots of fried robots and lots of danger!!! also for u ppl thinking about a first controlled bot.. FIELD CAN EASILY BE REPLICTAED WITH CHEAP STUFF FROM LOCAL HARDWARE STORE!!! a first robot already costs thousands.. if each team wanted to build another robot as a field part it would cost tons more and u can't buy one at ur local hardware store.(case and point: another rc and oi would be needed thats already really expensive and u can't buy them at a hardware store!!) also this would be unfair as this FIRST controlled bot could side with teams making it unfair for the other team!!

Dave Scheck
04-01-2006, 14:37
I'm in the camp of trying to not read too much into the hint. None of the previous years' hints have given away enough of the game to make a difference.

I don't know if it's been brougnt up....has anyione compared the hint to poetry? It's been a long time since I learned that stuff, but the syllable structure reminds me of a haiku. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku) In comtemporary English haikus, one of the rulesUse of three lines written in 5-7-5 syllablesThe only thing is that the hint has a 7-9-7 structure. Then I came across this thread (http://www.spiritualexpression.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=135&sid=bc5c4a2a294027167080f20d28d58a9a) that says that 7-9-7 can be used as well.

The other thing I see is that the first line has 5 words, the middle has 8, and the last has 5...very symetrical...very diamondlike

Oh well, we'll all know in a few days.

AmyPrib
04-01-2006, 15:18
Dave, you mean you didn't read the 40pgs of game hint thread? :p Yeah, someone brought up the poetry aspect, but I don't know if anyone's made a good relationship. Actually, someone here at work, who's been involved in the past but not for several years, came up with the poetry idea also. Maybe the robots have to recite poetry while holding hands, skipping across the field....

Rohan_DHS
04-01-2006, 15:36
Actually, someone here at work, who's been involved in the past but not for several years, came up with the poetry idea also. Maybe the robots have to recite poetry while holding hands, skipping across the field....
lol awwwww :p that'd be pretty funny actually

techie_Britt
04-01-2006, 15:46
five 'bots tangling with pasta
a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
and seeing Montana's green heights

that's our game clue on First...hmmmm.....I wonder...any ideas?

Madison
04-01-2006, 15:51
five 'bots tangling with pasta
a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
and seeing Montana's green heights

that's our game clue on First...hmmmm.....I wonder...any ideas?

I don't think anyone's really given it any thought yet. ;)

Eko
04-01-2006, 16:57
God forbid, actually analyze the official first hint...

It was centered on the page where it first appeared...
........................five 'bots tangling with pasta
..................a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
......................and seeing Montana's green heightsThat looks hexagonal to me, and 5/8/5 (words), while reminiscent of a haiku, would be the perfect proportions for the ends and diameter of a hexagon. The syllable counts also prove interesting: 7/10/7
~Kyle

Zach Purser
04-01-2006, 17:07
God forbid, actually analyze the official first hint...

It was centered on the page where it first appeared...
........................five 'bots tangling with pasta
..................a game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
......................and seeing Montana's green heightsThat looks hexagonal to me, and 5/8/5 (words), while reminiscent of a haiku, would be the perfect proportions for the ends and diameter of a hexagon. The syllable counts also prove interesting: 7/10/7
~Kyle

Eh... kinda looks like a football to me.

EricH
04-01-2006, 18:24
You know, you could be discussing this in the official thread (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=41013). All 40+ pages of it. And everything except the shape of the hint has been thrashed to bits already...

This particular thread (the one we are in) was created to discuss possible, unofficial hints from one particular member of the GDC *coughcoughdavecoughcough* and any other unofficial hints that were uncovered.

aaeamdar
04-01-2006, 21:08
Usually around this time of year someone hears a rumor then Gary saw something he shouldn't have, but won't say. Then speculation begins as Dave has a field day spreading his little bits of confusing hints. I always have fun trying to tie it all together, but last year some people nailed the pyramid guesses, triple plays and 3 team alliances.

That's really surprising to me that people figured that out last year. I wasn't around. Why is this year different? Anyway, speculation about teams, based on five bots & pasta:

All possible:

1v1v1v1v1
2v1v1v1
3v1v1
4v1
5v clock (I think this is /unlikely/ considering what happened the other time they tried this)
2v2v1
2v3

I think that's all the simple ones. You could come up with some pretty convoluted arrangements, with things like two bots teamed up against one, who has some kind of advantage, and then two more bots teamed up with each other just racing the clock. Just doesn't seem likely to me.

Anyway, my views in short:
1v1v1v1v1: to chaotic... also, alliances were a hit. Likelyhood: * (out of 5*)
2v1v1v1: a little weird, but could be workable if the 2 robot team had different objectives. But again, not much in the way of alliance. Likelyhood **
3v1v1: Similar to above. Would the two 'ones' be losers? Also, there's a concern they might end up teaming up against the three somehow. Likelyhood: */**
4v1: This one seams a little more likely to me (gut feeling, which I'm now regretting). It has the "advantage" if you will of only 2 teams. Obviously, the team with one robot would have some major advantage. Likelyhood: **/***
5v clock: See above Likelyhood: *
2v2v1: This has a similar problem of several of the others. Anything with more than two teams risks degenerating into /larger/ alliances. I don't see any way of making rules that say, "You have to beat up on team A just as much as on team B". I suppose you could have point incentives for stopping teams from accomplishing goals. Likelyhood: */**
2v3: Again, only two teams. Seems the /most/ likely to /me/.

Alright, I'm done hedging my bets. When it comes out on Sat, I'll be back to tell you all how wrong you were and how right I was. Until then, farewell.

Just my 2cp.
The Idle Speculator strikes again! Buuutt kiking for \goodness\! I mean, no reason.

1075master
04-01-2006, 22:46
You know, you could be discussing this in the official thread (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=41013). All 40+ pages of it. And everything except the shape of the hint has been thrashed to bits already...

This particular thread (the one we are in) was created to discuss possible, unofficial hints from one particular member of the GDC *coughcoughdavecoughcough* and any other unofficial hints that were uncovered.

This is a good show of people not searching before posting!!! 2 threads on the EXACT same topic!!! hmm try and do a bit of searching guys!! There is an OFFICIAL thread for this topic.. by making a second thread on the same topic u waste space on the servers causing slower searching and what not!!