2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

[Billfred]

Well, we discussed it earlier this year. And I think that we're just crazy enough to actually do it. The idea of a Pre-Kickoff league was based off some long-forgotten discussion about teams and their reputations. Let's put it to the test.

The league runs just like any other Fantasy FIRST league, with a few modifications:

1) Any team competing in the 2006 FRC is fair game.
2) All trading, drafting, and other methods of picking a team cease at 11:59 PM the night before Kickoff.
3) The score that a team receives will be the average of the scores received at each event, including the Championship.

Unless the 2006 game requires serious revisions to it, the scoring system will be as follows:

Regionals:

(Seeding before selections)
20....1st seed
12....2nd and 3rd seed
6......4th through 8th
3......9th through 12th
2......12th through 16th

4......Quarter finalists
10.....Semifinalists
20.....Finalists
30.....Winners

42.....Chairmans
36.....Engineering Inspiration Award

15.....Rookie All-Star
10.....Rooke Inspiration
8......Woodie Flowers

2......Win(s)
-2.....Loss(es)
1......Tie(s)
8.......Highest score / Highest Rookie Seed

5....... Judges Award
2.......for every non-placement award, except previously mentioned

For the Championship:

(Seeding before selections)
20....1st seed
12....2nd and 3rd seed
6......4th through 8th
3......9th through 12th
2......12th through 16th

Selections
picked by first round...points 2nd round
1st...8.....4
2nd..7.....3.5
3rd...6.....3
4th...5.....2.5
5th...4.....2
6th...3.....1.5
7th...2......1
8th...1.....(.5)

5......Quarter finalists - Division
10....Semifinalists - Division
15....Finalists - Division
25....Divisional Winners

15.....Semifinalists - Einstein field
25.....Finalists - Einstein Field
35.....Winners - Einstein Field

80.....Chairmans - Nationals
45.....Engineering Inspiration Award - Nationals
25.....Rookie All-Star
20.....Rookie Inspiration
15......Woodie Flowers

2......Win(s)
-2.....Loss(es)
1......Tie(s)
10.......Highest score / Highest Rookie Seed

10.......for every non-placement award, except previously mentioned

We'll have signups from now until the 17th, with no real limit on entrants.

Who's game?

[Elgin Clock]

As defending champion in 2005's Championship event FF, I feel it is my duty to sign up for this Mega-FF edition.

I'm in... Anyone else game??

[Corey Balint]

Selections
picked by first round...points 2nd round
1st...8.....4
2nd..7.....3.5
3rd...6.....3
4th...5.....2.5
5th...4.....2
6th...3.....1.5
7th...2......1
8th...1.....(.5)


I'm game of course.
The one adjustment id make though...
Selections
picked by first round...points 2nd round
1st...8.....4
2nd..7.5.....3.5
3rd...7.....3
4th...6.5.....2.5
5th...6.....2
6th...5.5.....1.5
7th...5......1
8th...4.5.....(.5)

[Ian Curtis]

Just look at the sig. :D (Not the terrible scores in other leagues of course, but the fine red print)

[Greg Needel]

ummm....I'm game!

[Steve Howland]

I'm in.

[Billfred]

I'm game of course.
The one adjustment id make though...
Selections
picked by first round...points 2nd round
1st...8.....4
2nd..7.5.....3.5
3rd...7.....3
4th...6.5.....2.5
5th...6.....2
6th...5.5.....1.5
7th...5......1
8th...4.5.....(.5)
Fair enough.

As for the number of teams, I'm up for staying with three, unless someone has a moving reason for us to go to four.

[Jay Trzaskos]

Count me in guys.

[Lisa Perez]

Me, too!

[Ted Boucher]

I think it is time for me to try my luck at FF.... I AM IN!!!!!!!!!

[Drew]

wel i can tell you all one thing its probably gunna have to do something with a square or a cube cuz think two years ago it was a sphere or circle (First logo) and last year was a triangle or tetra (first logo) and 3 years ago it was boxes (first logo) so were guessing boxes but we could be terribly wrong. lets just wait and find out ehhh

[Ian Curtis]

A list for your drafting/signing up convenience.

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher

[Alex Cormier]

oh yeah i shall break my personal best of 3 wins and 2 runner ups.

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier

greg-thanks for the heads up.

[Matt_Kaplan1902]

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan

[Jay Trzaskos]

w00t for Lucky #7 im feeling good about this FF. i went home with an 8th place finish in the Buckeye FFL last year, im looking to get a couple of wins this year.

[Holtzman]

I'm in.


1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman

[Edit] This seems to me like a massive undertaking to score this event.... especially with no cap on the amount of participants. These fantasy first drafts often go unscored, and are merely a waste of time for the participants(the IRI Fantasy FIRST (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38258&highlight=iri+fantasy) draft for example). That being said, I'm still in.

[Steve Horn]

I'm in.

[Conor Ryan]

Can I be 14?

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. _____ ____

Oh and to help out with Holtzman's suggestion that this would be a massive under taking to score this, it would be a good idea to score this weekly so we get an idea of who is where, and so we don't have to do it all at once.

[Ian Curtis]

[Edit] This seems to me like a massive undertaking to score this event.... especially with no cap on the amount of participants. These fantasy first drafts often go unscored, and are merely a waste of time for the participants(the IRI Fantasy FIRST (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38258&highlight=iri+fantasy) draft for example). That being said, I'm still in.

Actually, IFI did get scored, but due to various unfortuneate circumstances it was never posted, but a winner was determined. That being said I'm all for helping score if you want help Billfred.

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Me me me

[Adam Richards]

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. _____ ____
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards

[Koko Ed]

Aw geez this was the big project I had in mind.
Way to steal my thunder, Billfred! :p
Ah well, I'm in.

[JackN]

this is gonna be sweet you can count this little old sophmore from goodrich in

[Jay Trzaskos]

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy


i was thinking guys, how about limit it to 35 people, 5 choices each?

[Mike Schroeder]

Count me in

[Tim Delles]

Count me in on this.

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy
19. Tim Delles

[Billfred]

i was thinking guys, how about limit it to 35 people, 5 choices each?
Just to keep the drafting from going on for a month, I'd think it wiser to limit it to four rounds.

I'd like to use this league to experiment with drafting a bit. In essence, it's like the one I posted in the suggestions thread. Step one will involve setting the draft order:

Round 1: Names from a hat (or similar randomization device)
Round 2: Same, backwards.
Round 3: New names from the metaphorical hat
Round 4: The new names, backwards.

Once the draft order is set, we'll set a timetable for reasonable hours (say, 8:30 PM until 11:30 PM Eastern each night). Every ten minutes, someone will gain the opportunity to draft. They don't have to draft in that ten minutes (although that makes the most sense strategically), but they do have to draft before the trading deadline. Each empty slot at the trading deadline is a 25-point penalty. (The penalty exists because it's possible for someone to lose points on a team that they drafted correctly. It should be impossible, however, for a team that competes to lose 25 FF points.)

Trading your time slot is just like trading teams--one for one. Package deals with a team and a time slot are considered fair game, so long as both parties are switching equal numbers of teams and time slots.

Thoughts?

[Jay Trzaskos]

I can see where you are going with deadkines on draft picks and such, so 4 rounds sounds like a great idea. But what about a limit on people? This could potentially lead to fewer headaches when it came to scoring AND drafting. I know that the draft date is TBDand the 17th is the end last day to sign up, but any tentative time frame running trough your mind for drafting?

JT
229

[Alex Cormier]

of course, tim messes it up already.

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy
19. Big Mike
20. Tim Delles

[Billfred]

I can see where you are going with deadkines on draft picks and such, so 4 rounds sounds like a great idea. But what about a limit on people? This could potentially lead to fewer headaches when it came to scoring AND drafting. I know that the draft date is TBDand the 17th is the end last day to sign up, but any tentative time frame running trough your mind for drafting?

JT
229

I guess I wasn't clear--I'm perfectly content capping the list at 35 people. That's 140 draft picks, with (assuming a new drafter is eligible every ten minutes) eighteen picks per night with a three-hour window of new drafting each night. So if we start drafting 12/18, we'd finish on 12/27 (eight days of drafting, with no clock-based draft going on 12/24-25). If the list fills up beforehand, or if we don't have a full roster, that timeline will naturally change.

That said, expect the drafting process to start a night or two after signups close.

[dez250]

Oh me me me, I wanna play!

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy
19. Big Mike
20. Tim Delles
21. Dez

[Marc P.]

Oh me me me, I wanna play!


Ditto.


1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy
19. Big Mike
20. Tim Delles
21. Dez
22. Marc P.

[Cory]

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy
19. Big Mike
20. Tim Delles
21. Dez
22. Marc P.
23. Cory

[Swan217]

Second post in two months? I've been slacking. Or this has been the worst school term ever. Either one. I'm in.

1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy
19. Big Mike
20. Tim Delles
21. Dez
22. Marc P.
23. Cory
24. Dan Swando

[Ian Curtis]

Billfred, how are drafting lists going to be dealt with?

[coastertux]

Count me in!
(Updated List)
1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy
19. Big Mike
20. Tim Delles
21. Dez
22. Marc P.
23. Cory
24. Dan Swando
25. Steve (aka coastertux)

[Billfred]

Billfred, how are drafting lists going to be dealt with?

Simple. PM me your list (and be sure to put in some safeties on that list), and I'll make sure to catch when your time comes.

On the subject of drafting, even if we fill it up early, the draft is officially on hold until I can get my laptop back from Apple (as it's headed off tomorrow for service).

Seeing as how I had to send in my Dell laptop this time last year, I'm wondering if there's a laptop out there that is Billfredproof.

[Vince lau]

(Updated List)
1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy
19. Big Mike
20. Tim Delles
21. Dez
22. Marc P.
23. Cory
24. Dan Swando
25. Steve (aka coastertux)
26. Vince Lau

[Billfred]

Alright, so the signup deadline is tomorrow night. Apple says my iBook has been fixed (...again...), and they ship everything next-day. Next-day to DHL means Monday. Therefore, the draft will begin on Monday night unless the world ends or the Lake Murray Dam bursts. (At that point, I have bigger problems.)

Additionally, I'm going to make one revision to the scoring system: There will be no highest score category, for the simple reason that I'd have to look through every match of every regional to determine the thirty-something high scores for all the regionals and the Championship. I'm just not that motivated. (Everything else, however, will remain unchanged.)

[Corey Balint]

Alright, so the signup deadline is tomorrow night. Apple says my iBook has been fixed (...again...), and they ship everything next-day. Next-day to DHL means Monday. Therefore, the draft will begin on Monday night unless the world ends or the Lake Murray Dam bursts. (At that point, I have bigger problems.)

Additionally, I'm going to make one revision to the scoring system: There will be no highest score category, for the simple reason that I'd have to look through every match of every regional to determine the thirty-something high scores for all the regionals and the Championship. I'm just not that motivated. (Everything else, however, will remain unchanged.)
Aw, come on! I'd do that. I scored over 10 leagues myself last year, its not that bad :p .

Anyhoo, if you want any scoring categories that you feel are too much work, i'll do them. I got nothing better to do.

[Conor Ryan]

Ok deadline is passed for sign ups, we need to start talking draft times now, wednesday at 7 EST sound good, 10 Minute rounds? Someone give me more of an idea

Final List
1. Billfred
2. Elgin Clock
3. Corey Balint
4. iCurtis
5. Greg Needel
6. Steve Howland
7. Jay Trzaskos
8. Lisa Perez
9. Ted Boucher
10. Alex Cormier
11. Matt Kaplan
12. Holtzman
13. Steve Horn
14. Conor Ryan
15. Jeff Rodriguez
16. Adam Richards
17. Koko Ed
18. 1derboy
19. Big Mike
20. Tim Delles
21. Dez
22. Marc P.
23. Cory
24. Dan Swando
25. Steve (aka coastertux)
26. Vince Lau

[Billfred]

Ok deadline is passed for sign ups, we need to start talking draft times now, wednesday at 7 EST sound good, 10 Minute rounds? Someone give me more of an idea
I intended to start the draft tonight, starting around 8:00 PM Eastern (which handily translates out to 5:00 PM Pacific) and ending at 11:00 PM Eastern. New drafting spots will open up every five minutes due to the large number of people. If you're next to draft even if it's early, go for it. Non-drafters will just have a blank space that can be filled later; lists will be consulted just before the next person is scheduled to draft.

For example, suppose Ed and Conor both want to draft Redateam. Even after 8:05 (and thus in Conor's time), if Ed can get his pick of Redateam in before Conor's, then Ed gets Redateam. If Conor gets it in before Ed, however, then Ed's just going to have to settle for Bluateam.

Round 1:
Koko Ed
Conor Ryan
Greg Needel
Billfred
Dez
Corey Balint
Jeff Rodriguez
coastertux
Ted Boucher
Adam Richards
iCurtis
Lisa Perez
Marc P.
1derboy
Vince Lau
Steve Howland
Jay Trzaskos
Matt Kaplan
Tim Delles
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock

Round 2:
Elgin Clock
Big Mike
Steve Horn
Alex Cormier
Cory
Dan Swando
Holtzman
Tim Delles
Matt Kaplan
Jay Trzaskos
Steve Howland
Vince Lau
1derboy
Marc P.
Lisa Perez
iCurtis
Adam Richards
Ted Boucher
coastertux
Jeff Rodriguez
Corey Balint
Dez
Billfred
Greg Needel
Conor Ryan
Koko Ed

Round 3:
Corey Balint
Holtzman
Greg Needel
Jay Trzaskos
Tim Delles
Alex Cormier
Matt Kaplan
Cory
Steve Horn
Elgin Clock
Lisa Perez
Adam Richards
Vince Lau
Conor Ryan
1derboy
Billfred
Marc P.
Dan Swando
coastertux
Jeff Rodriguez
iCurtis
Dez
Big Mike
Steve Howland
Koko Ed
Ted Boucher

Round 4:
Ted Boucher
Koko Ed
Steve Howland
Big Mike
Dez
iCurtis
Jeff Rodriguez
coastertux
Dan Swando
Marc P.
Billfred
1derboy
Conor Ryan
Vince Lau
Adam Richards
Lisa Perez
Elgin Clock
Steve Horn
Cory
Matt Kaplan
Alex Cormier
Tim Delles
Jay Trzaskos
Greg Needel
Holtzman
Corey Balint

I should have a URL to check the status of the draft later today.

[Greg Needel]

wow the random number generator really likes to put me in position 3...not that i am complaining.

[Koko Ed]

Can I make my pick now?

[Billfred]

Sure. The schedule for tonight should go up around 7:00 Eastern.

[Koko Ed]

Sure. The schedule for tonight should go up around 7:00 Eastern.
I want team 1511. Rolling Thunder.

[Conor Ryan]

Might as well keep it going,

I'll go with Team 254, the Cheesy Poofs

Round 1:
Koko Ed 1511
Conor Ryan 254
Greg Needel 233
Billfred 71
Dez 1114
Corey Balint 25
Jeff Rodriguez
coastertux
Ted Boucher
Adam Richards
iCurtis
Lisa Perez
Marc P.
1derboy
Vince Lau
Steve Howland
Jay Trzaskos
Matt Kaplan
Tim Delles
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock

[Greg Needel]

I want team 1511. Rolling Thunder.

you can't have my team :-P


i want team 233

[Billfred]

As Gary Dillard once said, they could field a refrigerator and we'd still pick them. I pick 71.

[coastertux]

I pick 365.

[Ted Boucher]

Alright, I just got off the phone with dez and he is picking 1114

[Corey Balint]

25 :cool:

[Jay Trzaskos]

Your a little early there Steve...

Round 1:
Koko Ed 1511
Conor Ryan 254
Greg Needel 233
Billfred 71
Dez 1114
Corey Balint 25
Jeff Rodriguez ...
coastertux If Jeff doesn't pick 365, they are all yours

just don't get over excited ;)
Jay

[Corey Balint]

Jeff Rod just texted me his pick....157, the Aztechs.

[Ted Boucher]

I will pick 126. They make great robots every single year....

[Conor Ryan]

Adam called in 179


Round 1:
Koko Ed 1511
Conor Ryan 254
Greg Needel 233
Billfred 71
Dez 1114
Corey Balint 25
Jeff Rodriguez 157
coastertux 365 (wait a bit next round)
Ted Boucher 126
Adam Richards 179
iCurtis
Lisa Perez
Marc P.
1derboy
Vince Lau
Steve Howland
Jay Trzaskos
Matt Kaplan
Tim Delles
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock

[coastertux]

OK, sorry about that. I'm new to Fantasy FIRST. Any rough estimate for when the next round will start?

[Billfred]

Jeff picked 157, and coastertux picked 365.

You can check the state of the draft at http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html

Tonight's schedule:

8:00 Ted Boucher
8:10 Adam Richards
8:20 iCurtis
8:30 Lisa Perez
8:40 Marc P.
8:50 1derboy
9:00 Vince Lau
9:10 Steve Howland
9:20 Jay Trzaskos
9:30 Matt Kaplan
9:40 Tim Delles
9:50 Holtzman
10:00 Dan Swando
10:10 Cory
10:20 Alex Cormier
10:30 Steve Horn
10:40 Big Mike
10:50 Elgin Clock

As you may note, I upped the spacing to ten minutes between people. With the way the off-hours drafting has gone, this should still get us done in plenty of time.

[Ian Curtis]

Well then, I guess that makes me next.

Ian would like to invite a team hailing from Ambler, Pennsylvania 341, Miss Daisy! *crowd goes wild*

(This format makes it easier to keep picks in line)
Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........179
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez
Marc P.
1derboy
Vince Lau
Steve Howland
Jay Trzaskos
Matt Kaplan
Tim Delles
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock

[Billfred]

Adam has traded 179 for 190. The site (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html) has been updated.

[Koko Ed]

Well then, I guess that makes me next.

Ian would like to invite a team hailing from Ambler, Pennsylvania 341, Miss Daisy! *crowd goes wild*

(This format makes it easier to keep picks in line)
Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........179
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez
Marc P.
1derboy
Vince Lau
Steve Howland
Jay Trzaskos
Matt Kaplan
Tim Delles
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock
Awww man!
341 was going to be my round 2 steal!

[Ian Curtis]

Awww man!
341 was going to be my round 2 steal!
They were going to be my round 1 steal last year, except that Kyle stole them from me! :(

[Lisa Perez]

Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........179
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez..............67
Marc P.
1derboy
Vince Lau
Steve Howland
Jay Trzaskos
Matt Kaplan
Tim Delles
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock

[Marc P.]

I'll take 494.

[Tim Delles]

Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........190
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez..............67
Marc P. .................494
1derboy
Vince Lau
Steve Howland
Jay Trzaskos
Matt Kaplan
Tim Delles
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock

[Koko Ed]

Boy has this thing slowed down.
Are we planning to get this done tonight?
I have to get up a 5 tomorrow for work.

[Billfred]

I figured it'd take a couple of days, by virtue of us drafting over 100 teams total.

Vince Steve is currently up. 1derboy and Vince can draft a team whenever they get in. Keep checking here (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html) for updates.

Edit: Steve sent in a list, and is picking 111. Jay is up.

[Jay Trzaskos]

Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........190
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez..............67
Marc P. .................494
1derboy.................
Vince Lau...............
Steve Howland........111
Jay Trzaskos...........65
Matt Kaplan
Tim Delles
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock

[Billfred]

Matt is now up. Then Tim at 9:40, then Holtzman, then Dan Swando, Cory, Alex, Steve Horn, Big Mike, and Elgin. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

[Matt_Kaplan1902]

Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........190
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez..............67
Marc P. .................494
1derboy.................
Vince Lau...............
Steve Howland........111
Jay Trzaskos...........65
Matt Kaplan............45
Tim Delles
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock

[Tim Delles]

Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........190
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez..............67
Marc P. .................494
1derboy.................
Vince Lau...............
Steve Howland........111
Jay Trzaskos...........65
Matt Kaplan............45
Tim Delles...............173
Holtzman
Dan Swando
Cory
Alex Cormier
Steve Horn
Big Mike
Elgin Clock

[Karthik]

Holtzman's writing an exam tonight. He sent me a list, and he's taking the most underrated team in FIRST, 980.

[Billfred]

Done deal.

Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........190
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez..............67
Marc P. .................494
1derboy.................
Vince Lau...............
Steve Howland........111
Jay Trzaskos...........65
Matt Kaplan............45
Tim Delles...............173
Holtzman...............980
Dan Swando...........GO!
Cory.....................10:10 PM
Alex Cormier.........10:20 PM
Steve Horn............10:30 PM
Big Mike................10:40 PM
Elgin Clock.............10:50 PM

Details (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

[Cory]

I'm going to go with 330.

[Alex Cormier]

i'll go with thee Robonauts 118, make me proud guys!!

[Koko Ed]

i'll go with thee Robonauts 118, make me proud guys!!
ARRRGH!http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/explode.gif

[Billfred]

ARRRGH!http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/explode.gif
Hehehe...

Steve Horn has listified 176. Big Mike is up now. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html) Afterwards, Elgin can draft twice.

[Alex Cormier]

ARRRGH!http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/explode.gif
:p :p :p :p

[Tim Delles]

Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........190
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez..............67
Marc P. .................494
1derboy.................
Vince Lau...............
Steve Howland........111
Jay Trzaskos...........65
Matt Kaplan............45
Tim Delles...............173
Holtzman...............980
Dan Swando
Cory.....................330
Alex Cormier...........118
Steve Horn............176
Big Mike................10:40 PM
Elgin Clock.............10:50 PM

[Koko Ed]

:p :p :p :p
http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/catfight.gif
Have you checked your Fantasy score recently?

[Greg Needel]

ARRRGH!http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/explode.gif


i was trying to sike him out because they were on my "i hope someone doesn't pick them list also"

[Cory]

http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/catfight.gif
Have you checked your Fantasy score recently?

he's winning, actually.

By about 0.50 points.

Better hope Favre throws a few more picks, or Mason catches a bomb :)

[Elgin Clock]

Afterwards, Elgin can draft twice.

Are we doing this whole thing tonight?

Or is my second selection meant for the start of tomorrow's picks?

[Koko Ed]

he's winning, actually.

By about 0.50 points.

Better hope Favre throws a few more picks, or Mason catches a bomb :)
If Mason catches one good pass and Farve continues to struggle I could sneak away with this one just like I did in 2003!
Fear me.

[Vince lau]

i would like to pick team 503

[Elgin Clock]

Koko Ed...............1511
Conor Ryan............254
Greg Needel............233
Billfred....................71
Dez.....................1114
Corey Balint.............25
Jeff Rodriguez..........157
coastertux..............365
Ted Boucher...........126
Adam Richards........190
iCurtis...................341
Lisa Perez..............67
Marc P. .................494
1derboy.................
Vince Lau...............503
Steve Howland........111
Jay Trzaskos...........65
Matt Kaplan............45
Tim Delles...............173
Holtzman...............980
Dan Swando..........
Cory.....................330
Alex Cormier...........118
Steve Horn............176
Big Mike................
Elgin Clock.............175 BUZZ
_____________________________

End round 1 (sort of) with: 1derboy, Dan Swando, & Big Mike all still having 1 pick left for round one to fully conclude.

[Mike Schroeder]

I want team 1923

[Alex Cormier]

If Mason catches one good pass and Farve continues to struggle I could sneak away with this one just like I did in 2003!
Fear me.
Don't worry i will win. well atleast i now know how it feels to be cory in the other league. sorry for that.

ahum thee only both league Champ right here!

[Billfred]

Well, that concludes the first day of official drafting. Elgin can draft again whenever he so chooses. The site (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html) has been updated. Expect tomorrow's drafting schedule around 7:00 PM.

[Koko Ed]

Don't worry i will win. well atleast i now know how it feels to be cory in the other league. sorry for that.

ahum thee only both league Champ right here!
Are they taking Farve out.
Ooooooooooooooo! :D

[Cory]

Are they taking Farve out.
Ooooooooooooooo! :D

One more catch from Mason, and you're money.

[Alex Cormier]

One more catch from Mason, and you're money.
http://forums.xbox.com/emoticons/emotion-9.gif

unbelievable, in both leagues #8 takes out the coveted #1 spot. what's with that!?

[Elgin Clock]

Are they taking Farve out.
Ooooooooooooooo! :D

C'mon guys stay focused...

TITLE:
2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

Not fantasy other things... lol

[Alex Cormier]

C'mon guys stay focused...

TITLE:


Not fantasy other things... lol
:p

[Swan217]

Well, that concludes the first day of official drafting. Elgin can draft again whenever he so chooses. The site (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html) has been updated. Expect tomorrow's drafting schedule around 7:00 PM.

:mad: ::Annoyed that Dan missed draft::

I'll take my former team of 217. I expect them to do much better now that I'm not holding them back :D.

[Koko Ed]

http://forums.xbox.com/emoticons/emotion-9.gif

unbelievable, in both leagues #8 takes out the coveted #1 spot. what's with that!?
As the immortal Maxwell SMart would say : Missed it by that much.
Two words to why I lost: Paul Edinger.

[Alex Cormier]

As the immortal Maxwell SMart would say : Missed it by that much.
Two words to why I lost: Paul Edinger.
http://forums.xbox.com/emoticons/emotion-4.gif
i'll win this just as i won that match ed.

[Billfred]

Alright, I went ahead and posted the schedule (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html) for here on out. I wedged in one more draft per night to finish on Friday.

As always, I'm happy to take in lists. Just PM 'em and I'll handle it for you.

(Say, maybe for another league I'll run all-list.)

[Elgin Clock]

I'm starting a little early.. But oh well. I had enough time to decide on my second pick.
With that said.. let the second round begin for tonight.


Tuesday (12/20):
8:00: Elgin Clock.......Team 69, H.Y.P.E.R.
8:10: Big Mike
8:20: Steve Horn
8:30: Alex Cormier
8:40: Cory
8:50: Dan Swando
9:00: Holtzman
9:10: Tim Delles
9:20: Matt Kaplan
9:30: Jay Trzaskos
9:40: Steve Howland
9:50: Vince Lau
10:00: 1derboy
10:10: Marc P.
10:20: Lisa Perez
10:30: iCurtis
10:40: Adam Richards
10:50: Ted Boucher
11:00: coastertux
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html

Mostly up to date.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Mike Schroeder]

gonna hafta take 75 The RoboRaiders

8:00: Elgin Clock.......Team 69, H.Y.P.E.R.
8:10: Big Mike........ Team 75 Roboraiders
8:20: Steve Horn
8:30: Alex Cormier
8:40: Cory
8:50: Dan Swando
9:00: Holtzman
9:10: Tim Delles
9:20: Matt Kaplan
9:30: Jay Trzaskos
9:40: Steve Howland
9:50: Vince Lau
10:00: 1derboy
10:10: Marc P.
10:20: Lisa Perez
10:30: iCurtis
10:40: Adam Richards
10:50: Ted Boucher
11:00: coastertux

[coastertux]

As always, I'm happy to take in lists. Just PM 'em and I'll handle it for you.

I PMed you a list.
Thanks!

[Steve Horn]

I will pick team 236.

8:00: Elgin Clock.......Team 69, H.Y.P.E.R.
8:10: Big Mike........ Team 75 Roboraiders
8:20: Steve Horn........Team 236 Techno Ticks
8:30: Alex Cormier
8:40: Cory
8:50: Dan Swando
9:00: Holtzman
9:10: Tim Delles
9:20: Matt Kaplan
9:30: Jay Trzaskos
9:40: Steve Howland
9:50: Vince Lau
10:00: 1derboy
10:10: Marc P.
10:20: Lisa Perez
10:30: iCurtis
10:40: Adam Richards
10:50: Ted Boucher
11:00: coastertux

[Alex Cormier]

8:00: Elgin Clock.......Team 69, H.Y.P.E.R.
8:10: Big Mike........ Team 75 Roboraiders
8:20: Steve Horn........Team 236 Techno Ticks
8:30: Alex Cormier......Team 469 Las Guerrillas
8:40: Cory
8:50: Dan Swando
9:00: Holtzman
9:10: Tim Delles
9:20: Matt Kaplan
9:30: Jay Trzaskos
9:40: Steve Howland
9:50: Vince Lau
10:00: 1derboy
10:10: Marc P.
10:20: Lisa Perez
10:30: iCurtis
10:40: Adam Richards
10:50: Ted Boucher
11:00: coastertux

[Billfred]

All the picks thus far are online: http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html

Just a request: If you're sending me a list, do me a favor and format your numbers in a four-digit format (i.e. 0025, not 25). Thanks!

(Side note: If you sent it the other way, I fixed it.)

[Corey Balint]

All the picks thus far are online: http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html

Just a request: If you're sending me a list, do me a favor and format your numbers in a four-digit format (i.e. 0025, not 25). Thanks!

(Side note: If you sent it the other way, I fixed it.)
25!!!! hahaha. sorry had to.. :D

[Karthik]

Just got a text message from Cory, he wants 33.

[Billfred]

He sure likes threes. (His last pick was 330.)

Dan is up now.

[Holtzman]

I'll take 1503

[Swan217]

I'll pick 229

BTW: Post # 217 for me :)

[Billfred]

I'll pick 229

BTW: Post # 217 for me :)

Division by Chickens indeed. Tim is up. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

[Tim Delles]

I would like team 177.

[Matt_Kaplan1902]

I'll take Team 60

[Jay Trzaskos]

I'mgoing to take 121. definitley a second round steal.

So here it is:
8:00: Elgin Clock.......Team 69, H.Y.P.E.R.
8:10: Big Mike........ Team 75 Roboraiders
8:20: Steve Horn........Team 236 Techno Ticks
8:30: Alex Cormier......Team 469 Las Guerrillas
8:40: Cory................ 33
8:50: Dan Swando...... 229
9:00: Holtzman.......... 1503
9:10: Tim Delles......... 177
9:20: Matt Kaplan...... 60
9:30: Jay Trzaskos..... 121
9:40: Steve Howland
9:50: Vince Lau
10:00: 1derboy
10:10: Marc P.
10:20: Lisa Perez
10:30: iCurtis
10:40: Adam Richards
10:50: Ted Boucher
11:00: coastertux

[Billfred]

Steve listifies Chiefy D--47.

Vince 1derboy Marc P. is up.

[Marc P.]

I've got a good feeling about 237 this year.

[Billfred]

Done. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

Lisa is next.

[Lisa Perez]

8:00: Elgin Clock.......Team 69, H.Y.P.E.R.
8:10: Big Mike........ Team 75 Roboraiders
8:20: Steve Horn........Team 236 Techno Ticks
8:30: Alex Cormier......Team 469 Las Guerrillas
8:40: Cory................ 33
8:50: Dan Swando...... 229
9:00: Holtzman.......... 1503
9:10: Tim Delles......... 177
9:20: Matt Kaplan...... 60
9:30: Jay Trzaskos..... 121
9:40: Steve Howland...47
9:50: Vince Lau..........
10:00: 1derboy..........
10:10: Marc P...........237
10:20: Lisa Perez.......27
10:30: iCurtis
10:40: Adam Richards
10:50: Ted Boucher
11:00: coastertux

[Ian Curtis]

Ya know, I always wanted to be a Sigm@Cat!

8:00: Elgin Clock.......Team 69, H.Y.P.E.R.
8:10: Big Mike........ Team 75 Roboraiders
8:20: Steve Horn........Team 236 Techno Ticks
8:30: Alex Cormier......Team 469 Las Guerrillas
8:40: Cory................ 33
8:50: Dan Swando...... 229
9:00: Holtzman.......... 1503
9:10: Tim Delles......... 177
9:20: Matt Kaplan...... 60
9:30: Jay Trzaskos..... 121
9:40: Steve Howland...47
9:50: Vince Lau..........
10:00: 1derboy..........
10:10: Marc P...........237
10:20: Lisa Perez.......27
10:30: iCurtis............108
10:40: Adam Richards
10:50: Ted Boucher
11:00: coastertux

[Billfred]

Adam picks 20. Ted is up. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

[Ted Boucher]

And for my second pick.... I choose team 56!

[Billfred]

Coastertux listifies 1676.

Due up tomorrow night:

Wednesday (12/21):<br>
8:00: Jeff Rodriguez<br>
8:10: Corey Balint<br>
8:20: Dez<br>
8:30: Billfred<br>
8:40: Greg Needel<br>
8:50: Conor Ryan<br>
9:00: Koko Ed<br>
<b>-Start Round Three-</b><br>
9:10: Corey Balint<br>
9:20: Holtzman<br>
9:30: Greg Needel<br>
9:40: Jay Trzaskos<br>
9:50: Tim Delles<br>
10:00: Alex Cormier<br>
10:10: Matt Kaplan<br>
10:20: Cory<br>
10:30: Steve Horn<br>
10:40: Elgin Clock<br>
10:50: Lisa Perez<br>
11:00: Adam Richards<br>

[Vince lau]

i would like to pick team 48

[Billfred]

Done.

I'm uploading a beta version of the results page: http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/results.html

If anyone can figure out an easy way to find what events a team is signed up for, please let me know. (I'll get the job done, but I can't say it'll be pretty going through the list of the regionals.)

[Tim Delles]

And for my second pick.... I choose team 56!

I was so hoping to slide them in 3rd round. o well :P

[Jeff Rodriguez]

I'll take team 716

[Corey Balint]

Well, im deciding between a bunch of teams, i have a list of 14 very strong candidates...i have this pick down to three teams...hmm, its a tough one.
But i think im gonna have to go with the guys and gals outta Long Island on this one, Team 0358.

[Billfred]

Done. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

The remaining schedule for tonight:

8:20: Dez<br>
8:30: Billfred<br>
8:40: Greg Needel<br>
8:50: Conor Ryan<br>
9:00: Koko Ed<br>
<b>-Start Round Three-</b><br>
9:10: Corey Balint<br>
9:20: Holtzman<br>
9:30: Greg Needel<br>
9:40: Jay Trzaskos<br>
9:50: Tim Delles<br>
10:00: Alex Cormier<br>
10:10: Matt Kaplan<br>
10:20: Cory<br>
10:30: Steve Horn<br>
10:40: Elgin Clock<br>
10:50: Lisa Perez<br>
11:00: Adam Richards<br>

[Ted Boucher]

and i just got off the phone with dez again.... he picks team 191

[Billfred]

And I select the ever-popular SPAM.

Greg is up.

[Alex Cormier]

And I select the ever-popular SPAM.

Greg is up.
greg chooses 358.

[Cory]

greg chooses 358.

Corey already chose them.

[Alex Cormier]

Corey already chose them.
395 then.

[Corey Balint]

greg chooses 358.
Pwned. :p

[Conor Ryan]

For my second pick I'll take 16, now i have 254 and 16, not a bad combo.

For Billfred, 0016

[Cory]

For my second pick I'll take 16, now i have 254 and 16, not a bad combo.

For Billfred, 0016

ARGH, you suck!

I seriously cannot believe BBS fell so far.

[Koko Ed]

I'll take team 79 the Navigators.

[Corey Balint]

Yeah...i regret reminding conor of 16...whoops.

Anyhoo, Im gonna take my alliance outta the east now, and make a move to the south, deep in the heart of Texas, I'll take team 231.

[Holtzman]

I'll take 302

[Alex Cormier]

who's next?

[Corey Balint]

9:30: Greg Needel<br>
9:40: Jay Trzaskos<br>
9:50: Tim Delles<br>
10:00: Alex Cormier<br>
10:10: Matt Kaplan<br>
10:20: Cory<br>
10:30: Steve Horn<br>
10:40: Elgin Clock<br>
10:50: Lisa Perez<br>
11:00: Adam Richards<br>

[Greg Needel]

after long and specific thinking i will take team 1305


and for all those people who told me to hurry up i am going to attack you with my battle bot...when Alex fixes it :-P

[Alex Cormier]

after long and specific thinking i will take team 1305


and for all those people who told me to hurry up i am going to attack you with my battle bot...when Alex fixes it :-P
you crazy mofo. i wanted that team. i will attack you with tetracide.

[Conor Ryan]

Jay just phoned in Team 66

[JackN]

since i get two picks im going to take teams 245 and 70. sorry for messing this up i havent checke cd in about oh a week.

[Alex Cormier]

i'll take team 22. ps. it's been longer then ten minutes from jay's pick.

[Billfred]

Technically, Tim's pick is at 9:50. I'll put down 22 at 10:00, however.

The rest of the night's schedule:

9:50: Tim Delles<br>
10:00: Alex Cormier<br>
10:10: Matt Kaplan<br>
10:20: Cory<br>
10:30: Steve Horn<br>
10:40: Elgin Clock<br>
10:50: Lisa Perez<br>
11:00: Adam Richards<br>

[Corey Balint]

Tim PICK 22! :D

[Tim Delles]

i'll take team 22. ps. it's been longer then ten minutes from jay's pick.

Don't i have until 10? o well doesn't effect my pick.

Who loves Cyber-Blue?

Yup thats right my pick is 234.

[Billfred]

Done. Matt is up.

[Tim Delles]

And since Alex can't read I will clearify things.

My pick is 234.
Alex picks 22

Matt your up.

[Matt_Kaplan1902]

I'll take 269

[Cory]

I'll take team 68.

[Steve Horn]

Team 839 Rosie Robotics

[Elgin Clock]

For my 3rd pick, I'm going with The Robowranglers, Team 148 from TX.

[Lisa Perez]

1213 for me

[Billfred]

And Adam picks 312.

Tomorrow night:

8:00: Vince Lau<br>
8:10: Conor Ryan<br>
8:20: 1derboy<br>
8:30: Billfred<br>
8:40: Marc P.<br>
8:50: Dan Swando<br>
9:00: coastertux<br>
9:10: Jeff Rodriguez<br>
9:20: iCurtis<br>
9:30: Dez<br>
9:40: Big Mike<br>
9:50: Steve Howland<br>
10:10: Koko Ed<br>
10:20: Ted Boucher (Twice)<br>
<b>-Start Round Four-</b><br>
10:30: Koko Ed<br>
10:40: Steve Howland<br>
10:50: Big Mike<br>
11:00: Dez<br>
11:10: iCurtis<br>

The site (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html) is updated.

[Vince lau]

since i'm first pick tomorrow night, can i pick now? since i won't be home tomorrow

[Billfred]

Go for it.

[Vince lau]

i would like to pick team 1241

[Conor Ryan]

I'll take 103

hehe, 3 Championship Chairman's winners, with great performing robots

[Greg Needel]

I'll take 103

hehe, 3 Championship Chairman's winners, with great performing robots


yea but they probably wont win the championship chairmans again..so you are going to miss the big points :-P

[Ian Curtis]

yea but they probably wont win the championship chairmans again..so you are going to miss the big points :-P

Won't? They cannot win the Championship Chairman's award again, and it has been that way for a while, so don't expect it to change.

[Conor Ryan]

Won't? They cannot win the Championship Chairman's award again, and it has been that way for a while, so don't expect it to change.

That Does Not mean they build and use great robots, and win with them, which is the easiest way to gain points in FF, chairman's sometimes comes down to luck of the draw

[Elgin Clock]

That Does Not mean they build and use great robots, and win with them, which is the easiest way to gain points in FF, chairman's sometimes comes down to luck of the draw

Not only chairman's, but FF in general comes down to luck sometimes.

I submit exhibit A: my random pick that was given to me in FF for the Championship event in 2005, Team 67.

And we all know how 67 did at the Championship Event, and how many points they gave me for FF. :)

Anyways, who's up next?

[Billfred]

That Does Not mean they build and use great robots, and win with them, which is the easiest way to gain points in FF, chairman's sometimes comes down to luck of the draw

The way I see it, go with whatever you think will get you the points. Will another team pull a 67? Perhaps. Will 254 or 22 or 47 or any of the other past Chairman's winners come back next season and win the Championship? Entirely possible.

(Diverging from the topic a bit, has anyone besides 67 won both a Championship and a Chairman's, even in separate years?)

Edit: Conor's up next.

[Koko Ed]

The way I see it, go with whatever you think will get you the points. Will another team pull a 67? Perhaps. Will 254 or 22 or 47 or any of the other past Chairman's winners come back next season and win the Championship? Entirely possible.

(Diverging from the topic a bit, has anyone besides 67 won both a Championship and a Chairman's, even in separate years?)

Edit: Conor's up next.144

[Koko Ed]

Not only chairman's, but FF in general comes down to luck sometimes.

I submit exhibit A: my random pick that was given to me in FF for the Championship event in 2005, Team 67.

And we all know how 67 did at the Championship Event, and how many points they gave me for FF. :)

Anyways, who's up next?
I disagree with the thought that the CHairman's Award is won by "mistake".
All those HOF teams worked hard to eran their right to be there and while a robot is a tangeble object that is easy to assess it's value .
The Chairman's award requires alot of work and effort of these teams and actually you can see over the years when they become CHairman worthy teams (Like 118 the odds on favorites this year, 341 and 79)
I heavily reccomend going to the HOF at the Championship and check out what these teams do for the FIRST community and you'd be impressed with the amount of work these guys do off the field as they do on the field.

[Ian Curtis]

When HOT was announced as the winner last year the announcer said they had a $20,000 self-supporting Engineering Outreach program (at least I'm pretty sure that's what the announcer said). Now if that isn't dedication, what is?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get back to my evil plan of waiting to draft two certain teams who have somehow managed to slip through the draft process to the third (and hopefully fourth) rounds. :ahh:

[Billfred]

The Chairman's award requires alot of work and effort of these teams and actually you can see over the years when they become CHairman worthy teams (Like 118 the odds on favorites this year, 341 and 79)
I think that's what they were getting at in the whole discussion. Each of those teams has the ability to win Chairman's in Atlanta. However, in a situation with so many teams at that level, it's really hard to determine which one team will actually do it. That's the element of chance.

On a side note, is anyone opposed to adding a 45-point category for Chairman's Honorable Mentions? (That would put it on par with winning EI at the Championship.)

[Koko Ed]

I think that's what they were getting at in the whole discussion. Each of those teams has the ability to win Chairman's in Atlanta. However, in a situation with so many teams at that level, it's really hard to determine which one team will actually do it. That's the element of chance.

On a side note, is anyone opposed to adding a 45-point category for Chairman's Honorable Mentions? (That would put it on par with winning EI at the Championship.)
Sounds good to me.

[Corey Balint]

I dont know really, 45 points sounds a bit high, but i also think the Chairmans and awards points are already too high. I'm not sure what scores i would propose instead, but i just want to make sure that no one will get lucky like elgin did last year(no offence elgin) and have the game completely dominated by one team. Yes I know if could be because the person drafted well...but i dont know, i think the awards are scored to highly as of now.

[Billfred]

Looking back at the scores, 80 points does seem a bit steep in relation to every other scoring category out there (world champions get 35).

So how about this:

Champions: 35 points
Chairman's HM: 45 points
EI: 45 points
Chairman's: 55 points

Still a big amount of points, and well worth one's while, but it's not utterly dominating.

And Conor is still up.

[Ian Curtis]

I would argue it should be utterly dominating. The winning team is the pinnacle of FIRST. (Also, remember the score will be brought down becuase it is an average of all events they attend, and they'll be attending at least 2.)

[Billfred]

Like a fool, I missed Conor's pick (103) in all the discussion.

1derboy is up, followed by yours truly.

After much deliberation, I'm going to pick the Burning Magnetos, team 342.

Marc P. Dan Swando is up.

And the rest of the night's schedule:

8:50: Dan Swando<br>
9:00: coastertux<br>
9:10: Jeff Rodriguez<br>
9:20: iCurtis<br>
9:30: Dez<br>
9:40: Big Mike<br>
9:50: Steve Howland<br>
10:10: Koko Ed<br>
10:20: Ted Boucher (Twice)<br>
<b>-Start Round Four-</b><br>
10:30: Koko Ed<br>
10:40: Steve Howland<br>
10:50: Big Mike<br>
11:00: Dez<br>
11:10: iCurtis<br>

[Billfred]

Coastertux listifies 484. Jeff is up.

[JackN]

alright since i missed my pick again (man how do i miss three picks) i going to take team 910 the Foley freeze to keep Michigan connection going strong.

[Billfred]

Done. iCurtis is up now. (Marc P. and Jeff can draft whenever they get on.)

And remember, everyone from Curtis onward tonight will be drafting twice (although for everyone but Ted, at separate times.) So stick around. :)

Update: Curtis listifies 40. Dez is up.

[Ian Curtis]

Billfred, can I change my pick to 1251?

[Billfred]

Sure thing. (I was just going on the list.)

Dez is still up.

[Billfred]

Big Mike listifies 303.

Steve Howland is up listifies 433.

Ed is up.

(Dez, Jeff Rodriguez, and Marc P. can all draft at will.)

[Koko Ed]

I want team 1507. The Warlocks.

[Billfred]

Done.

Ted drafts twice to end round three and start round four, then it's Ed again.

[Billfred]

Ed is now up again.

(Dez, Marc, and Jeff can all draft whenever they're ready. Ted can draft twice whenever he's ready.)

[Koko Ed]

Ed is now up again.

(Dez, Marc, and Jeff can all draft whenever they're ready. Ted can draft twice whenever he's ready.)
I'll take 1126 ( Hey, if I can't have my own team I'll take the next best thing)

[Billfred]

And Steve Howland listifies 179.

And Big Mike listifies 343.

Which brings us back to Dez.

[dez250]

im taking 222 right now and finalizing my 4th pick and for my 4th pick team 88. Well i guess since Ted stole my 4th pick which somehow slipped through, im going to go with another team that has slipped through the cracks of this draft, Team 61!

[Ted Boucher]

i will take 88 and 116 to fill up my drafts

[Billfred]

And curtis will round out the night.

[Jeff Rodriguez]

I'll take 383 the brazillian machine

When is 4th round? When can I go?

[Billfred]

And the next team on Curtis' list is 571.

Tomorrow night's schedule (although if everyone ahead of you has gone, go when you please):

8:00: Jeff Rodriguez<br>
8:10: coastertux<br>
8:20: Dan Swando<br>
8:30: Marc P.<br>
8:40: Billfred<br>
8:50: 1derboy<br>
9:00: Conor Ryan<br>
9:10: Vince Lau<br>
9:20: Adam Richards<br>
9:30: Lisa Perez<br>
9:40: Elgin Clock<br>
9:50: Steve Horn<br>
10:00: Cory<br>
10:10: Matt Kaplan<br>
10:20: Alex Cormier<br>
10:30: Tim Delles<br>
10:40: Jay Trzaskos<br>
10:50: Greg Needel<br>
11:00: Holtzman<br>
11:10: Corey Balint<br>

Also, the site (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html) has been updated.

[Jeff Rodriguez]

The steal of the draft...
Team 93, New Apple Corps

[Ian Curtis]

Reminder to self- Don't use a list next year.

Anyways I'd like to change 571 to 1519, Mayhem.

[Billfred]

Reminder to self- Don't use a list next year.

Anyways I'd like to change 571 to 1519, Mayhem.
Done.

[Marc P.]

I'll take 38 for my 3rd pick.

[Holtzman]

Looking back at the scores, 80 points does seem a bit steep in relation to every other scoring category out there (world champions get 35).

So how about this:

Champions: 35 points
Chairman's HM: 45 points
EI: 45 points
Chairman's: 55 points

Still a big amount of points, and well worth one's while, but it's not utterly dominating.

And Conor is still up.


With all due respect to the organizers of this draft, changing the scoring ¾ of the way through the draft is a terrible idea. It completely throws off the reasoning behind each pick. While I personally think the Chairman’s points were too much, changing the scoring now is ludicrous...and takes away from people who choose strong Chairman’s teams as opposed to strong performing robot teams. Its only fair to keep it the way it is.

[Billfred]

With all due respect to the organizers of this draft, changing the scoring ¾ of the way through the draft is a terrible idea. It completely throws off the reasoning behind each pick. While I personally think the Chairman’s points were too much, changing the scoring now is ludicrous...and takes away from people who choose strong Chairman’s teams as opposed to strong performing robot teams. Its only fair to keep it the way it is.
Don't worry, it's not official yet. I'm just putting the feelers out.

[Cory]

Don't worry, it's not official yet. I'm just putting the feelers out.

I don't think you'll find much support for the idea.

[Steve Howland]

I'd feel bad leaving my own team out there - could I change 433 to 571? Thanks!

[Alex Cormier]

I'll take 1126 ( Hey, if I can't have my own team I'll take the next best thing)
:eek: ed, we must talk.

[Tim Delles]

I'd feel bad leaving my own team out there - could I change 433 to 571? Thanks!

And jeeesh :eek: i was going to get them in the 4th round if they were around. O well on to the next one i was going to pick.

[Kyle Love]

MAN! *thinks to self* There are some great teams left...like 447, 1501, 461 and 1547...*/thinks to self*

[Billfred]

I made Steve's switch for 571, and chucking out the notion of bumping down the Chairman's points.

Tonight's schedule:

8:10: coastertux<br>
8:20: Dan Swando<br>
8:30: Marc P.<br>
8:40: Billfred<br>
8:50: 1derboy<br>
9:00: Conor Ryan<br>
9:10: Vince Lau<br>
9:20: Adam Richards<br>
9:30: Lisa Perez<br>
9:40: Elgin Clock<br>
9:50: Steve Horn<br>
10:00: Cory<br>
10:10: Matt Kaplan<br>
10:20: Alex Cormier<br>
10:30: Tim Delles<br>
10:40: Jay Trzaskos<br>
10:50: Greg Needel<br>
11:00: Holtzman<br>
11:10: Corey Balint

[Billfred]

Coastertux listifies 99 1640 (as 99 has apparently disbanded), and Dan has sent me 639.

Marc is up, followed by me.

[Billfred]

I'll round out my picks with a team about as local as I can get: 1398 (Keenan HS Robo-Raiders).

1derboy is next.

[JackN]

Alright on time and ready i am taking team 279 to round out my aliance.

[Billfred]

And Conor Ryan listifies team 4.

Vince is next.

[Vince lau]

for my 4th pick i would like team 1006

[Billfred]

Adam is next.

[Adam Richards]

Since my original 4th round pick was taken by someone, and so was my backup, I guess I'll have to go for Team 0845 Cutting Edge.

[Billfred]

And with that, Lisa is up.

[Lisa Perez]

830 for me

[Elgin Clock]

Arghhh.. This is the most difficult decision I have had to make in this league so far.
(I wish I had 4 more picks left!! :ahh: )

That said, while I found a few new teams I am going to be keeping my eye on the whole season for various reasons, I will choose for my 4th pick, one of my favorite teams in FIRST since my rookie year in 2001.

Good luck in 2005 and beyond, my 4th and final pick for preseason FF;

Team 192 GUNN Robotics.

[Billfred]

Steve Horn is up next. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

[Billfred]

Steve listifies 230. Cory is up next. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

[Billfred]

Cory listifies 968. Matt Kaplan is next.

[Matt_Kaplan1902]

I'll take 107

[Billfred]

Now it's Alex's turn.

[Billfred]

Alex picks 1559. Tim Delles is next. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

[Tim Delles]

So i must say this was the hardest decision i had to go with. I had it down to 3 teams, and i guess i will have to go with the random pick.

To round out my alliance i would like team 340.... GRR

[Billfred]

Hmm...folks have drafted 340, 341, and 342. Anyone want to get 343 to complete the set? ;)

Jay is next. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)

[Billfred]

Jay listifies 1279.

Greg is up.

edit: Alex trades 1559 for 195.

[Billfred]

Greg passes, and will pick later.

Holtzman is up, then Corey will finish it out.

[Billfred]

Corey is up. (Greg, Holtzman, and Marc can all draft when they're ready.)

[Corey Balint]

Well, this would be Mr. Irrelevant...but some people didnt draft yet.

Anyhoo, looks like i shall round out my alliance with a Virginian team, 384.

[Corey Balint]

Hmm...folks have drafted 340, 341, and 342. Anyone want to get 343 to complete the set? ;)

Jay is next. (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html)
BTW, Big Mike took 343.

[Billfred]

Wow, I missed that.

That finishes up most of the drafting. Marc, Holtzman, and Greg can draft when they want. Trading is open until the night before Kickoff at 11:59 PM.

[Karthik]

Holtzman texted me, he wants 1002.

[Marc P.]

I'll take our partners from NYC last year, 555.

[Greg Needel]

To finish out the league i ask you when did Christopher Columbus sail the ocean blue?.....that would be 1492

[Tim Delles]

I'm going to change my last pick from team 340 to team 135

[Koko Ed]

I have a trade request from Alex Cromier.
He wants 1126 from me and I get 469.
Any problems?

[Billfred]

Well, the intent was to finish all trading/drafting/plotting/scheming/etc. before Kickoff, then let the chips fall where they may. Now that people have been capable of seeing the robots (especially at this phase of the season), I'm not too keen on it.

Anyone else want to provide some input?

[Alex Cormier]

:p

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Well, the intent was to finish all trading/drafting/plotting/scheming/etc. before Kickoff, then let the chips fall where they may. Now that people have been capable of seeing the robots (especially at this phase of the season), I'm not too keen on it.

Anyone else want to provide some input?

At first I didn't have a problem with it, but you have a great point.
Now, I agree with Billfred.
It just doesn't sit right.

[Tim Delles]

I have to agree with you Billfred. It did state in the rules all trading was to go on before Kickoff. Because the point of the pre-season FF is to go with teams you think will build a good robot, not teams you have seen that have good robots now.

And Alex only wants 1126 cause he thinks us and them are going to win FLR. Alex stop counting your chickens before they hatch, you never know who is going to win.

[Koko Ed]

I have to agree with you Billfred. It did state in the rules all trading was to go on before Kickoff. Because the point of the pre-season FF is to go with teams you think will build a good robot, not teams you have seen that have good robots now.

And Alex only wants 1126 cause he thinks us and them are going to win FLR. Alex stop counting your chickens before they hatch, you never know who is going to win.
All the more reason to let him have them. :p

[Alex Cormier]

SO IT'S ON SOON!!! Let's see who wil win. Who ya htink has the best Chance!!?

[Billfred]

Good question.

Cory seems to have a pretty balanced setup with his picks (look here (http://www.billfredinthenighttime.com/draft.html) for a memory-jogger), but Dez seems to have the two most-talked-about teams on ChiefDelphi between 1114 and 61. (We won't go into why, but needless to say a lot of eyes will be upon them.) I have to say, though--if Beatty's had time enough to make all those videos, then I'm gonna be collecting a heck of a lot of points by the end of this shin-dig.

That said, right now I wouldn't count anyone out. We've got five weeks of regionals plus a Championship to get through. I'll do my best to post updates after each week of competition, but just remember it's 96 teams I have to keep track of. :)

[Alex Cormier]

i know i got 3 out of my 4 bots already posted on cd and making a lot of people worry too.

[Steve Howland]

I'm feeling pretty good (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44812&) about (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44453) my (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pictures.php?s=&action=single&picid=12975&direction=DESC&sort=date&perrow=10&trows=10&quiet=Verbose) lineup. (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44488&) ;)

But with all the tough competition I'm sure someone will give me a run for my money.

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Only one of my team's (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pictures.php?s=&action=single&picid=13169&direction=DESC&sort=date&perrow=4&trows=3&quiet=Verbose) robots has been released, but I've seen one other. I'm also very confident in my other two teams.
This is going to be a very close competition.

[Tim Delles]

Well im pretty confident in my picks so far. I have only seen the design from 2 of the 4 teams but I still have faith.

RAGE (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pictures.php?&action=single&picid=12954)

CyberBlue (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pictures.php?&action=single&picid=13197)

[Elgin Clock]

175 Image: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pictures.php?&action=single&picid=13210

69 Movie: http://www.hyper-robotics.org/videos/robot6.wmv

148 Movie: http://www.robowranglers.com/multimedia/lonestar06alarge.wmv

192 is the only one of my 4 teams without a pic or vid released yet, but this gives me great hope for my FF team, and Team 192 as well.

After the fiasco surrounding the 2004-05 Gunn Robotics Team which caused the closure of the team, an overwhelming tide of supporive parents and determined students restarted team 192 in 05-06.

I can hardly wait.

:)

[Corey Balint]

I just realized something from an earlier post about the scoring...this year instead it should look like this for selection of bots point values.
picked by first round...points 2nd round
1st...8.....(,5)
2nd..7.5.....1
3rd...7.....1.5
4th...6.5.....2
5th...6.....2.5
6th...5.5.....3
7th...5......3.5
8th...4.5.....4

[Billfred]

I just realized something from an earlier post about the scoring...this year instead it should look like this for selection of bots point values.
picked by first round...points 2nd round
1st...8.....(,5)
2nd..7.5.....1
3rd...7.....1.5
4th...6.5.....2
5th...6.....2.5
6th...5.5.....3
7th...5......3.5
8th...4.5.....4
Fair enough.

Does anyone have a good source of match data for the past two weeks? I can't get data for week one from FIRST (they took it offline), and the stuff I'm hearing about GLR is not making me want to particularly trust it, either. If not, can anyone suggest a fair and equitable revision to scoring that can be implemented with what we do know for sure?

[Alex Cormier]

Fair enough.

Does anyone have a good source of match data for the past two weeks? I can't get data for week one from FIRST (they took it offline), and the stuff I'm hearing about GLR is not making me want to particularly trust it, either. If not, can anyone suggest a fair and equitable revision to scoring that can be implemented with what we do know for sure?
Looks like FLR is correct. i will take one last quick look.

/edit it's all correct but 340 had the WFA and Chairmans. also no Matches posted other then the elims. and yes that second finals match is correct it was an all out DefenSe match.

[Koko Ed]

Fair enough.

Does anyone have a good source of match data for the past two weeks? I can't get data for week one from FIRST (they took it offline), and the stuff I'm hearing about GLR is not making me want to particularly trust it, either. If not, can anyone suggest a fair and equitable revision to scoring that can be implemented with what we do know for sure?
FIRST is up to it's usual bad stat keeping habits this year.
THey're gonna kill Fantasy FIRST!

[Tim Delles]

I'm going to change my last pick from team 340 to team 135

The worst change ever. considering 340 were in the elims, WFA winner Jason Rees, and Chairmans winner. $@#$@#$@#$@# i'm kicking myself now. :(

[Koko Ed]

175 Image: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pictures.php?&action=single&picid=13210

69 Movie: http://www.hyper-robotics.org/videos/robot6.wmv

148 Movie: http://www.robowranglers.com/multimedia/lonestar06alarge.wmv

192 is the only one of my 4 teams without a pic or vid released yet, but this gives me great hope for my FF team, and Team 192 as well.



I can hardly wait.

:)
Your faith in 192 paid off handsomely.

[Koko Ed]

The worst change ever. considering 340 were in the elims, WFA winner Jason Rees, and Chairmans winner. $@#$@#$@#$@# i'm kicking myself now. :(
Worked for me! :D