Curfew [Archive] - Chief Delphi

Jon Lawton

06-05-2002, 14:53

Yeah, we had a curfew of 12:00AM, except the night before the team party, then it was ~10:30PM. The adults would often let us stay out of our room a little later than said time, but they wanted us in the immeadiate room area.

The teacher that was responsible for us insisted on *TAPING* the doors every night! Has any other team had this done? I thought it was crazy, so I opted to sleep in a room with adults (that wasn't taped).

Should I ever go to the Championship again I will either 1) Be an "adult" (>= 18) or 2) Go with a *small* team.

Jnadke

06-05-2002, 15:07

No curfew. The only rules are:
1. Be at the meeting area to go to the competition on time (or else stay at the hotel all day...).
2. Be able to perform.

Our mentors seem to see us as responsible students. Of course, we haven't let them down either.

purplehaze357

06-05-2002, 15:26

11:00 or 11:30 depending on what was going on that night...they didnt like us just "hanging" around the hotel though...

Jon K.

06-05-2002, 15:32

ours was eleven I think :confused: i am not sure since every night someone was somewhere past midnight usually and as long as there was a chaperone with us it didn't really matter. Usually we went to the pools at our hotel after we got back from the parks or whatever we were doing that particular day so we really could stay out until the chaperone said time to go back

Amy Beth

06-05-2002, 15:56

Our team is run more like a family....curfew was set each night by our head chaperones based on what time we got back to the hotel after comp., and what time we had to leave in the morning. Staying off site and not having disney passes, there really wasn't much to do after the pool closed. But just in case, i think we had a chaperone bang on our door at least once a night to make sure we were all where we were supposed to be.

D.J. Fluck

06-05-2002, 16:35

Ours was varied....

Wednesday night it was 10PM

Thursday was 11PM

Friday was 11PM

Saturday was 12PM

Sunday was 11PM

Anne George

06-05-2002, 16:45

my team did not really have a curfew though we did have a 11:00 meeting every night we could do whatever after it was done it was suggested that we be in bed by 12:00 though our sister team actually had a 10:45 meeting and had to be in their rooms by 12:00 for curfew

sidewinder

06-05-2002, 18:48

Its funny, our curfew was usually around 11 but our teacher usually got in about 1.......

We broke it a bunch a times but never left the resort after around ten.

We've never had a curfew before and it sux.

Oh yeah, to teh team with the tape.. where did u stay last year cuz one night me and a crew from my team and another went out and cut a tapes on first teams around our hotel.

Jeff Rodriguez

07-05-2002, 15:52

We had the best curfew. It was when the pool closed, but the pool never closed! You could stay out as late as you wanted. I never got checked but my shaparone.

Ragin_Kage

07-05-2002, 17:13

we were in our rooms and 'taped' in by 11 each night...it wasnt that bad, we usually stayed up to around 2 though, had to watch sports center, one night we ran over to 7-11 and got those caffeine drinks, i dont really remember sleeping that night, lol

David Kelly

07-05-2002, 17:18

this year at nats our curfew was 10:30 FL time and 9:30 IN time. boy did that suck

Chubtoad

07-05-2002, 18:18

11pm Meeting, 12 "curfew"
Curfew=Every Team Member be in Someone's room (on the team):D

Jon Lawton

07-05-2002, 18:30

Originally posted by sidewinder

Oh yeah, to teh team with the tape.. where did u stay last year cuz one night me and a crew from my team and another went out and cut a tapes on first teams around our hotel.

heh, I didn't know that other teams had to suffer with the tape...

Anways, this was 668's first year at Championship, so it wasn't us you were playing with. :P

IsabelRinging

07-05-2002, 19:02

Ours was 10:30 every night, IIRC... and they also had room checks to make sure we were all in there. I didn't mind it though. I needed the sleep.

And we didn't get tape on our doors, either. :p

Clark Gilbert

07-05-2002, 19:08

I remember seeing "tape" at the All-Star Music in 2001....

Me and a few of my friends just couldnt resist from taking it off the door...hehehee :D

sidewinder

07-05-2002, 23:20

This whole tape thing is dumb, So i propose that all teams remove any tape that u see at nationals or regionals, in order to stop this tyranical system.

WE MUST UNITE

Quain

08-05-2002, 11:27

haha.. sounds like a plan.. we'll all unite and align for next year...

Team238-aholic

08-05-2002, 11:41

I remember being taped into my room in 8th grade, when we went into our class trip to Washington, DC...but thats soooo random, taping in high schoolers?? Not fair...sorry you had to deal with that...

Alfred Thompson

08-05-2002, 11:51

As a chaparone I tend to wonder, what did the team do so that the adults did not think they could trust them to stay in their rooms?

MissInformation

08-05-2002, 12:27

As an adult who half the students tended to forget was an adult (not sure what that says about me) I heard stories about things that happened in 2001 despite the chaperones efforts... but they are not repeatable here...

MissInformation

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Joe Matt

08-05-2002, 12:34

Originally posted by MissInformation
As an adult who half the students tended to forget was an adult (not sure what that says about me) I heard stories about things that happened in 2001 despite the chaperones efforts... but they are not repeatable here...

MissInformation

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purplehaze357

09-05-2002, 16:56

Originally posted by sidewinder
This whole tape thing is dumb, So i propose that all teams remove any tape that u see at nationals or regionals, in order to stop this tyranical system.

WE MUST UNITE

as cool as this may be..it might not be a good idea...and trust me im against any form of imprisonment...we are there to have fun and how can we have fun if ur chaperones dont trust u enuff to tape the doors..its a stupid and primitive but you know what if u cant be trusted there might be a reason...

the chaperones dont like it too much...the kids that had the tape on the door also get in trouble so watch yourself...btw did anybody take any tape off this year?

Ragin_Kage

09-05-2002, 17:58

I would love to unite and liberate those of the imprisoning taping, I dont think our team really did do anything bad, im not sure why they wouldnt trust us or whatever...we got taped at regionals too...i can kinda understand it at Nats because we were staying in a motel that just opened up to the outside...but in st louis, hmmm, dont know why. At nats we were taped in with electrical tape, i guess thats all they had, think about it, electrical tape is quite stretchy and just peels off the door...not very good for detecting a midnite escape...lol.

DanLevin247

09-05-2002, 19:47

We didn't get to go to nationals ( couldn't afford it )....but when we were in cleveland....we had a curfew of around 12. But we sure as heck didn't stick to it. I got sick, and ended up with my own suite, but the other kids were running around the hotel, playing in the lobby at 4 am, and things of the sort. Um, I do however, remember going to Chicago in 9th grade ( not with first ), they duct-taped us into our room. Luckily, we had plastic knives in our room, and were able to cut ourselves out and go to the pool at 1 in the morning!!

Alfred Thompson

09-05-2002, 20:02

Chaparone: Hello, Mrs. X. Your son is in the hospital. Seem he and some friends went in the pool after closing and there was an accident.

Mrs. X: What was he doing in the pool after closing? I trusted you to take care of him.

Chaparone: Well, we told them to go to their rooms but we did not do anything to make sure they stayed there.

Mrs. X. What do you mean you didn't do anything? You know they snuck out at the regionals.

Chaparone: Well, yeah , but ....

Mrs. X: You have a good lawyer I trust. He will be hearing from mine.

David Kelly

09-05-2002, 20:07

Originally posted by Alfred Thompson
Chaparone: Hello, Mrs. X. Your son is in the hospital. Seem he and some friends went in the pool after closing and there was an accident.

Mrs. X: What was he doing in the pool after closing? I trusted you to take care of him.

Chaparone: Well, we told them to go to their rooms but we did not do anything to make sure they stayed there.

Mrs. X. What do you mean you didn't do anything? You know they snuck out at the regionals.

Chaparone: Well, yeah , but ....

Mrs. X: You have a good lawyer I trust. He will be hearing from mine.

thats a good reason to have the curfew rule. a few stupid kids can ruin it for everyone else. now you guys will be forced to have a strict curfew. trust me, i know from experience

Clark Gilbert

09-05-2002, 20:21

Do any other teams have to sign swimming forms and overall "field trip" release forms??

David Kelly

09-05-2002, 20:27

this year after nats we had to sign some medical release forms because we had one of our students (robot operator:( ) get really sick and go to the hospital. we had signed them in order to ensure that student can get emergency medical attention if needed and the school or teachers would not be held responsible.

Chubtoad

09-05-2002, 23:08

For the past two years (not this year) we stayed at Days Inn Suites Main Gate East, which is right next to "Old Town" and of course very near a great many fast food places. The adults trusted us and we could go out anytime to anywhere we wanted pretty much, they just got mad if we didn't make any scheduled meetings. I can tell you from experience, a One Liter Pepsi can go a long way at 8am in the morning on the sunday after competition when you have till the park closes (lasted me till 6pm when I finally needed some other nourishment plus several packets of bad tasting sugar):D

dets002

08-09-2002, 19:51

Well, Mr. Thompson (long time, no see), my thoughts:

Curfews are good for mitigating liability and keeping track of the students, but on the other hand, we were free to roam durring the day (assuming we had no responsibilites). Too, tired kids can cause all sorts of problems (e.g. Brent driving) so perhaps specifial restrictions for drivers to ensure they are well rested.

Also, while I though that perhaps a senior priveladge (s.p.?) letting seniors stay out later would be nice, but they may be coming back to a room with other people in it. To rebut that arguement, what says they will be asleep?

Your thoughts?

Alfred Thompson

08-09-2002, 20:00

Hey, Dets! Good to see you around.
I think you are right about kids being in the room but not sleeping. Different curfews for seniors might have been a problem with team morale too. You don't really want to single some people out for special rights on a team. At lest not on age alone. I've never been a big fan of "senior privalege" anyway.
Don't tell anyone but we'll probably go with a later curfew next year. Or at least one time when team has to be back at the hotel and a later one for in the room so that members can unwind in the pool etc. But that's still to be determined.
This topic has been very helpful to us in thinking about how to do things next year. Thanks to all who replied.

mtaman02

09-09-2002, 00:47

Our team hada curfew anywhere between 11 - 11:30 PM. all though the drivers and human player had to be in a weee bit earlier as to ensure we got proper rest for the important days to come. To Be truthful though me, the drive squad and human player stayed up with the rest of the team till curfew. Thankfully we were not mis behaving enough to have our curfew reduced. :)

MacZealot

02-11-2002, 02:23

LOL Taping?!

That's pretty funny... anyone can sneak under a piece of tape right?

Or were they doing something far more annoying? I can only imagine. lol.

Really, bah, who cares, I wouldn't feel like being out after dark anyway.

Only problem is, unless I don't have anything to do, it takes me an eternity to fall asleep IF I TRY!

*shrug* I can only say the outcome depends on how my teammates will/would act. I am a really mature person alone, but if there's someone I know, I'll be tempted to act stupid......

And thus the 'bad' things happen.

LOL.... my late night sleep could have nasty effects waaaaaay before the nationals....

Example: They try the new program I made and it makes the bot do stupid things... whoops typo!

Alfred Thompson

02-11-2002, 08:53

The tape connects the door and the doorpost. The trick is not getting out it is putting the tape back on the outside of the door from the inside of the room so that no one knows you left.

Jnadke

02-11-2002, 14:02

The tape is usually masking tape. Then you rip it a tiny bit so that when the door is opened, it rips the rest of the way.

Our team had to sign medical release forms that removed responsibility from the teachers and school district (it's a district-wide thing). Last year one person did get hurt... they were leaving one of the rooms and the hotel door closed on their thumb. It got pretty swollen so they took them to the hospital. Nothing was broken.

But... really, we didn't go out a whole lot after 12. We did wander between the rooms, but we had practically the entire floor to ourselves. We did note which rooms weren't ours and were careful to keep quiet. Our driver went to bed early voluntarily.

Heck, even the mentors went for a 1 o'clock swim :D :D

dlavery

02-11-2002, 22:28

The 1997 National Competition was our second year going to Orlando.

We had midnight curfew for all the students, with room checks at random times afterwards. The rule was the students had to be IN their rooms - no one ever said anything about being asleep. A few insomniac students decided to start a midnight poker game. This was soon followed by the brilliant idea "hey let's get 'Engineer X' (name withheld to protect the guilty) - I'll bet he has cash to lose!"

Step forward to about 2:30am. The lead teacher is making rounds, and comes to the door. Finds out that a poker game is going on, with full participation by one of the "adults" (heh!), and four of five students are down to their last five dollars of spending cash. The teacher yells at Engineer X for setting a bad example. Engineer X points out that he is up $60 and offers to split the pot. Engineer X learns that this is the WRONG response.

This was followed by the right response, which was: they were looking for a loophole in the rules, while carefully avoiding thinking about the INTENT of the rules [to make sure they were safe, and well rested for the competition in the morning]. When the students brought up the idea of the poker game, they could have just been told "No, don't do that, go to sleep" which would have made no impact and promptly been forgotten. Or they could learn that "beating the system" does not always mean that you win. And they could learn it in a way that they might remember for a while.

Lesson learned #1: "Engineer" is NOT automatically synonymous with "Chaperone"

Lesson learned #2: There is always more than one way to teach life lessons.

Lesson learned #3: Chris still owes me $20.

-dave

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I am always more aged than I should be, and less wise than I would like to be.

Mark Hamilton

12-11-2002, 22:32

Our curfew has been lax (or non-existent) in previous years, but last year we had an 11'o'clock curfew because the teacher for the school we are parternered with insisted on it. The rule was always be at the hotel at a reasonable time, and as long as everyone behaves theres no official curfew. Unfortuneatly, we miss out on the swimming every year because of school board rules. Kinda silly, especially when you consider not being able to swim decently in Florida is synonomous with a death wish anyway.

Koko Ed

13-11-2002, 10:02

While many of you have disdain for curfews they are there for a reason. Your parents have entrusted us with your safety when that trust is broken and something bad happens to you then bad things can happen to the whole team.
We X-Cats have been in FIRST from the beginning and have done alot of good things during those years but all it takes a an angry parent with a liability lawsuit because their kid decided to have some late night fun that got them hurt or in trouble and all those good things go away forever.
That's just not worth it and it's not fair to the other kids on the team.

Shana

14-11-2002, 18:07

Our team last year had an 11pm curfew but lights out at 1am I do believe, I may be wrong though but its about that. This, although seeming silly at first, was a good idea because it allowed the teachers to know that nobody had been hurt, kidnapped, or left behind somewhere that day. Also it was a very good idea a while back because our team use to have a lot of girls and guys on other teams liked us and those guys liked to follow us(*hint* although flattering we make fun of most of you). So our teachers had to make sure A.) a girl who gave the wrong impression to some was not anywhere inappropriate(ie. guys room, even though innocent) and B.) to give the girls an excuse to get away from the guys that would not leave.
By 11 the parks were all closed and you should be back to ur hotel, if not something must have been wrong was our chaperones mentality. Afterwards though we were allowed to go get food, with permission, but for the most parts stayed in our rooms and called eachother or communicated via morse code:) It wasn't a bad thing and nobody really complained but I guess our teachers trusted us more than most because we didn't get taped in.
Personally I think curfews are a good idea, because we know most would stay out all night and fall asleep at the competition without them. Although I am happy that I will not be put under any of these restrictions this year because I am a mentor we will be suggesting to the chaperones though that a curfew be put in place.

~SHANA~
P.S. Go team 1011

Redhead Jokes

14-11-2002, 18:49

If championship moves to our backyard, team wants to spend the night, mentors want to skip the expense. Wondering what Florida teams did...

BionicAlumni

14-11-2002, 20:44

Originally posted by Shana
Also it was a very good idea a while back because our team use to have a lot of girls and guys on other teams liked us

Ahhh the memories

Jnadke

14-11-2002, 21:39

Originally posted by Shana
By 11 the parks were all closed and you should be back to ur hotel, if not something must have been wrong was our chaperones mentality.

One word: IHOP

Nighttime breakfast is the best kind :D

purpledaisy

19-11-2002, 12:45

well, see, those guys you made fun of... some of them were probably on my team... we made fun of them too... curfew is a good idea, I think. But taping people in their rooms is a bit extreme, in my opinion. In some cases, yeah, I can see that it might be needed, but for the most part, no. We had a curfew of 10 at the hotel and 11 in rooms with lights out. The teachers would come around and check. I think it was good, as we were forced to get a decent amount of sleep, but it wasn't exactly always great, since the other teams around us definately didn't have a similar curfew. One thing I didn't like, though, was as soon as my roommate and her boyfriend got back to the hotel... I didn't dare enter my room until curfew. They were generally appropriate, but he doesn't like me. Perhaps a policy where we can eject non-residents from rooms at the request of the residents without hard feelings... naah, not possible. Guess I'll just have to stay outside or in the bathroom again this year... lol.

(Hi Mike... didn't know you posted here!)