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Robocardgrl5
05-08-2002, 04:05 PM
Team 5 from Melvindale High School is about to be no more. As a team we had no wear to build or store our robot,practice field,goals, or tools. That is until we got approval to use the garage of our school that nobody else used. It was unheated and dreary looking but we made it our headquarters. So with that we had a place to build and to get our jobs done. Well now it appears that they want to give our "robotics lab" to the athletes and make it an exercise room. It's bad enough that our teams aren't the best but they have a gym, a weight room, and the wrestling room. What more do they need? I too participate in sports but without a place of our own robotics will have no where to go. That will just give the message that sports are more important than academics. I know I personally have learned alot from the experience of FIRST that I could never fully get out of a book. So please help support our cause. Write letters or call our school and superintendent. Tell them why robotics is so important and that we need to have a lab of our own.

Superintendent Cora Kelly (313) 389-3300
Principal Michael Reynolds (313) 389-3320
Melvindale High School
18656 Prospect
Melvindale, MI 48122

Jim Giacchi
05-08-2002, 04:21 PM
Same thing happened to our autoshop. I tried to stop them, but it was the football parents who pushed it through.
My advice for you is to get as many parents as possible and have them start going to board meetings. If you get enough parents to complain you can get anything done. The board fears the parents use it to your adcantage.

kane
05-08-2002, 04:38 PM
Unfortunatly most people and parents think that the football team is the most important thing in the school and other clubs should bow down in their presence. Too bad only one out of every 10 million or so will ever play pro football. Where as there is always a need for more engineers, scientists, programmers, builders, and machineists. Most of the students involved aren't considered the coolest kids around, but hey just remember you have a much better chance of succeding at what your doing then what they are doing. Try telling your school that. We to have had some problems keeping our space but now since we've won a few things i think they are going to let us keep it.

YOur only problem is that robotics is not widely accepted yet, nobody really knows about it so most of them think theres another place for you to work. I hate it when a school give favoritesim to teams who win one or two games a season but not people who can desing and build a functioning robot in six weeks.

BSMFIRST
05-08-2002, 04:45 PM
Make sure you let Dean know about this; he's not afraid of flexing his muscles.

Joe Matt
05-08-2002, 05:49 PM
Hey that would be funnny. Dean comming in on a Segway to a school board meeting. I can see it now.

Get as many companies (big ones) and parents behind you as possible. Trust me, it is needed. Football/all sports parnets have no life and will pigen-hole you more than a old-conservative on race relations in the 1950's. They are snooty, and the last thing you want to be is that too.

Remember, Gracious Professionalism.


PS I will help as much as I can, give me a PM or email and I'll write.

gniticxe
05-08-2002, 05:57 PM
While it might be an inconvenience, don't forget that you don't necessarily need to meet at your school. Our team is from multiple schools and we don't hold meetings at any of them. Our main sponsor provided us space and a lot of help. It may not be easy to get another sponsor generous enough, but if your school bails on you, it is an alternative.

Abi
05-08-2002, 07:41 PM
If your team plans on fighting this at a school board meeting, I'm sure several members of 470, myself included, will be more than willing to come out and back you up. We really enjoyed partnering with you at GLR and we wouldn't want to see your team disbanded. So let me know if you need any help.



AIM: LilGenkiGirl
e-mail: abi470robo@hotmail.com


-Abi Schmidt
Team 470

hurdler544
05-08-2002, 08:21 PM
The only reason football parents care so much is because they are involved. I do not know about your school, but I know at our school and others with the FIRST program in the area, football gets the whole neighborhood to a game. This allows for everyone to get pumped up about football. But because there is no were even close to the amount of people from the neighborhood at a FIRST event, they have no idea of what the robot does. There are usually just a handful of parents. If you could get the neighborhood involved as much as the do with football, then you might not have these problems. I just dont know why your school would need an exercise room if you have a weight room already.

Sabina
05-08-2002, 08:22 PM
I would go to the local newspaper and radio station letting the community know about this problem.

GregT
05-08-2002, 08:25 PM
This thread just goes to show how important it is FIRST becomes more widely known. FIRST is working on it, TV would be a very large help.

If its a school board meeting see if you can't get some water there ;)

Robocardgrl5
05-08-2002, 08:53 PM
I appreciate it Ben. And for everyone else I'll get the school website address on here tomorrow...that is for all you high-techers that don't use snail mail anymore. Thanx for the ideas I appreciate them. Abi I'll be contacting you soon. Wish us luck.

Rachel
Team 5

Ben Mitchell
05-08-2002, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by Sabina
I would go to the local newspaper and radio station letting the community know about this problem.

That would be good, i'd have kids with the robot do a demo for the paper, and maybe get it on the front page, if is a small enough local one.

Who has control over building? Do the athletics people have more power than normal teachers?

Its unjust, but hunting for a new place might be a good idea. Maybe someone has a garage or a shop that you could utilize.

Of course, with my roaming-free cell phone, ill spam their answering machines:D

Ian W.
05-08-2002, 10:03 PM
my school is facing similar problems.

first of all, it's really two schools in one. there's the 10 - 12 building, and then the "9th grade annex". the 9th grade building used to be a middle school, and the 10 - 12 was one of two high schools. then, the district moved everything around, so all four grades are in two buildings, but still on the same campus.

now, the room we were in this year was in the FC (freshmen campus). i'm not sure if we can use it next year, because the teacher isn't going to be in the club next year, even though that shouldn't matter. now, at the 10 - 12 building, the admin is being as stupid as possible. they're knocking out half of the wood shop to put in an ISD room! then they're ripping all of the servers out of the current storage place (one of the admin offices) and moving all of the school's servers across the building, rewiring the entire network along the way. nowhere, is the thought of a room for technology/metalworking/ROBOTICS/etc.

luckily, next year we'll have a few seniors at a local college (SUNY Stoney Brook), so we *may* be able to get a room there (if we're nice, and the seniors are nice too :p). if all else fails, we'll be working in someone's garage for 6 weeks. not the best, but we made do without any fancy tools this year (all our parts went out for machining). i just wish we could get a place outside of the school's jurisdiction, cause it's quite frankly getting annoying.

i just wish that learning was more important than ISD. this is the reason why the person who invented politics should burn in hell forever. :D

DanL
05-08-2002, 10:29 PM
On another note, instead of building support in the community, have you guys actually tried explaining to the board meeting why FIRST is important to you? My suggestion is to get a few students - some seniors, some freshmen, and have them talk at the board meeting on how FIRST has changed their high-school expierience. Also try and actually get the robot there as a demonstration of what you have built using that room. If they actually SEE how much work you guys have done and if they actually HEAR first-hand how the club has changed students' expieriences, they might reconsider what is more important to them: sports, which is an after-school activity, or a way to constantly expand the educational expierience of the students beyond just the classroom.

Harrison
05-08-2002, 11:14 PM
I personally would suggest walking into a board meeting and talk to them almost like your doing a Sponsorship pitch (i guess you kinda are).

Bring the bot, few kids, a teacher, a parent...I would bring your teams' animation video, the chairman's award...

One thing that my team is doing for our sponsorship pitches is that we're making an 'advertisement' almost...It's about 2 mins long, and breifly shows why the program deserves support: Community involvemnt, opens doors for students, advertise (the school, the board, etc), and gives kids a chance to learn useful stuff.

One person that you might want to think about bringing along with you (if you can) is someone who was in the FIRST programme at your school in a past year that has gone on and graduated, and get them to come in and say something like "FIRST helped me get where I am today...Please give the students at the school now the same oppurtunity".

Also, I suggest to everyone here: Pick up the phone and call Superintendent Cora Kelly at (313) 389-3300 and urge her to keep the FIRST programme alive at Melvindale High School. We're talking about a 30 second phone call that can SERIOUSLY help the school.

Additionaly, a suggestion to you Rachel to try to make the programme more appealing to the school: Try to come up with some sorta thing that will help the school out. Like at my school the Robotics team has "Movie Days" - we basically put a movie on in the auditorium during the lunch period to keep kids outa the halls and stuff. Helps with supervision, makes it easier for the teachers, and the kids enjoy a movie (which of course has a Robotics ad at the begining instead of a movie ad :)). These people are greedy, if having the programme remain will somehow help them, they might be more inclined to go along with it.

Hope this helps...and REMEMBER EVERYONE: CALL 313-389-3300!!!

purplehaze357
05-08-2002, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by Sabina
I would go to the local newspaper and radio station letting the community know about this problem.

go anywhere you can with this...be LOUD stand strong...you worked hard for that room dont let the jocks take it away...go to the school board meetings and get involved there contact Deano definitely...and finally get ur parents, mentors and anybody that knows ANYTHING about FIRST to stand up for u too...this is not a war that is going to be easily won....its going to take a combined effort from everyone on your team and the community....

Sports teams already have names for themsleves...and unfotunately to those teams we are just a bunch of geeks that do this for fun....the truth is they dont know the half of it and they wont be compaionate...im sorry to all the Jocks that are on the teams and this is not directed at you...because i am a jock too but this has gone too far...where do u draw the line at how much sports mean to a school....since when do sports get the average kid a scholarship to a college, since when does sports inspire kids to even go to college and finally since when does sports give you a real world look at the way people work together towards a common goal...

im sorry but i get angry when i read these type of posts because we are miunderstood...i hate to sound preechy and nerdy and like ima hXc dork but there are just some tings that need to be said and need to stay in the school sytem FIRST robotics is one of them...!!

Have a Good Day!

-Joe Troy
Team 357
Royal Assault
"Dare to do mighty things"

Digo
05-08-2002, 11:32 PM
The Brazilian Machine played with team 5 in 2001 in VCU and Nationals. There are really nice people in this team, always ready to show their robot's features and talk. Their robot was pretty good too (our high score last year happened playing with them)!

Rachel, if you post here the school's e-mail address I'll write to them trying to help your team, but I can't call or write a letter. Please give us the right contact for that purpose.

No FIRST team must end, specially a team with such a low number. If you don't manage to use that room, please do your best to find another one. Some teams work in the garage of one of the students, for example.

Good luck!

Robocardgrl5
05-09-2002, 07:32 AM
The school website is http://www.melnap.k12.mi.us/ scroll down to Melvindale High School and click on that. Then click on staff webpages at the top. Then a schoolplanner.com thing will appear on the side of the screen. Scroll down to M. Reynolds and click on my planner. and then email the teacher. he's really the principal though.

:D You guys have some great ideas.

Rachel
Team 5

A. Snodgrass
05-09-2002, 12:55 PM
Something I havent seen anybody mention but can make a big difference...get the city council involved. Sometimes that is possible and sometimes it isnt, but when they say something to the school superintendent...they tend to at least pay a little more attention. Also get some of the science and math teachers on your side, not to mention the technology teachers. Let THEM say how benificial they find this program. Also try to get one or two of them to go to the board meetings. Parents and teachers encouraging something together normally turns into a very effective strategy. You get enough people to stand strong together...and the sports teams dont have as much leverage to stand on.

Matt Attallah
05-09-2002, 12:59 PM
OK this gets even better. The whole reason why they want to give up our lab is because of a school bond. Our school is going to bid for a bond so our school can be rebuild. In the process a company came to our school and said they'd give us 2 million dollars worth of exercise equipment. all the school has to do is take measurements and staticistics of the users. So they're trying to act like this will benefit everyone involved. First off, we have a weight room and only the athletes use that and the weight room is suppossedly "opened to anyone". Secondly, the school is valuing free money and athletics over robotics. Just bc we are a minority group at our school. What's the chances of becoming an enginner or an inventor or whatever over being a pro athlete? This is stupid and another example of athletics being favored of education.

Robocardgrl5
05-09-2002, 01:03 PM
The next school board meeting is on Tuesday. That means 5 days to prepare what we're going to say and how we're presenting our case in a calm mature manner...even if we are furious. If things don't go well are any MI teams willing to back us up and come protest with us? Thanx for your support again.

Rachel
Team 5

Abi
05-09-2002, 01:14 PM
I'll try to round up my team to come on out. E-mail me w/ detail

Robocardgrl5
05-09-2002, 01:21 PM
Thanx alot we appreciate. Again your team has come through for us just like GLR. I'll email you soon with details. If you want you can IM me my sn is Leeroy48122. Hope to talk to you soon.

Rachel
Team 5

Joe Matt
05-09-2002, 01:27 PM
Remember to remind the School Board, the Parents of the Football People, and yourselves: GRACIOUS PROFESSIONALISM. Just say that explain why FIRST supports it and all that other stuff, and they will get weak in their knees.

Andy Baker
05-09-2002, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Matt Attallah
[B. What's the chances of becoming an enginner or an inventor or whatever over being a pro athlete? This is stupid and another example of athletics being favored of education.

LET'S GO RED WINGS! [/B]

Matt,

I wish you well and good luck with getting the support that team 5 deserves. You guys are an awesome team and your "ball popper" mechanism that you guys came up with this year was great. If I were in the area, I'd be there to help discuss things with the school board.

But... I just gotta point out the irony in your above post. While you are frustrated with the support for athletics and the weight room situation, your signature and Avatar both enthusiastically support a professional athletic team.

hmmmm....

Andy B.

DanL
05-09-2002, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Andy Baker

But... I just gotta point out the irony in your above post. While you are frustrated with the support for athletics and the weight room situation, your signature and Avatar both enthusiastically support a professional athletic team.

Nothing wrong with athletics. I personally could care less about sports, but the thing is that the school is valuing a recreational activity over FIRST. What it comes down to is, as a school, what do they value more: kids having fun WHILE gaining a unique educational expierience that will help them beyond just high school, or simple recreational activities.

BTW, I tried calling just now, but apparently your peeps don't have answering machines. So, I send Mr. Reynolds a nice e-mail explaining his school's conflict between education and recreation.

ggoldman
05-09-2002, 07:19 PM
Im with Joe and every one on this post. I am going to e-mail our regional director with the link to this thread. I'll see what she can do to help. Maybe she can get the ball rolling to get Dean involved...

wish me luck

Gabe

Little Lee132
05-09-2002, 10:13 PM
I just sent a very long email to our school principal, hopefully he'll reconsider, If any of you guys wanna check it out just PM me or let me know and I can copy and paste the letter to you.

Little Lee132
05-09-2002, 10:17 PM
I just got a good idea, how about we bring a bunch or past robotics members who are now engineers????????? Wouldn't that be great, they could tell them how much robotics did for them!!!!!!!!!

DanL
05-09-2002, 10:25 PM
Yep, that would also be a great idea. Show 'em just how beneficial the program is. After all, can the sport teams bring in any pro-athletes? :) Actually, I think Harrison suggested something like this when he posted...

Originally posted by Harrison

One person that you might want to think about bringing along with you (if you can) is someone who was in the FIRST programme at your school in a past year that has gone on and graduated, and get them to come in and say something like "FIRST helped me get where I am today...Please give the students at the school now the same oppurtunity".

robotstoo
05-10-2002, 11:38 AM
I'd like to post a suggestion on behalf of the regional staff in Richmond that Gabe contacted. While I have seen a lot of passion on the part of the student team members, there is a very vital piece missing from the effort: the adults who work with your team. While it is important to demonstrate in person what kind of change that FIRST has made in your lives, I cannot stress enough how very crucial it is to get the adults involved - The teachers, engineers, alumni, and most importantly, your parents.

With six years' history, you have to have some pretty impressive statistics and stories to tell. Take the next few days and get them together. Your team alumni should be getting home from college starting this weekend. Contact them directly and enlist their help. While it is great to have testimonials from other FIRST teams to help support your case, without clear, visible support from the adults on your own team, your effort may not succeed.

Best of luck to you all. Go out there and fight the good fight.

Dave...
05-10-2002, 05:29 PM
Thanks to everyone for their input and support in our efforts.

Team #5 has experienced many trials over the past few years, and potentially losing our robotics lab is yet another blow to our team. Having just completed its 5th year in the FIRST event, we are glad to have endured this past year. Let me try to explain some of the problems that we have encountered and overcome:

At the end of the 2001 school year, our robotics teacher resigned to take an administrative position at a neighboring school district. Having started the team back in 1997-98 and working as a special project within the Physics class for the first two years, he expanded the program to include a semester long robotics class in the third year. Engineers from AFL, the sponsoring company, came over to help teach the class and build a foundation for which the teacher could use to teach future classes. In the fourth year, the class was expanded to become a yearlong robotics class. Engineers again came over to the school to help teach the class on occasion and to present additional material. In the fall, the class helped to start FIRST Lego League teams at our local middle schools. Unfortunately, little else occured within the class for the remainder of the schoolyear and a golden opportunity was lost. I can only imagine what colleges must think when they see "Robotics" on a high school transcript. "Wow, really? What did you learn?"

Upon the teacher leaving the high school, a new teacher was asked to be the robotics instructor and to take on the role of leading the robotics team for 2001-2002. This was made known to the team before the start of the school year, and little planning for the year was able to be conducted. Thankfully, several parents stepped forward when they heard the robotics teacher was leaving, and were interested in keeping the program running. They have been extremely helpful in organizing the activities of the robotics club which is open to all members of the student body meeting outside of school hours. The class, however, was left to the new teacher who ultimately resigned after 2 months. So, in October, we were again left without a teacher.

A teacher who had been with the school for several years was asked to take over the robotics class and the extra-curricular robotics lab. Unfortunately, she stepped into the program midstream with little background information and only a glimpse of what the program has to offer. As any FIRSTer can attest, it is not until you attend a Regional, experience the enthusiasm and meet other people who are genuinely interested in science and technology that you finally realize the impact the FIRST and these robotics programs can have on young people's lives. She stuck through the year and saw firsthand the importance of the robotics program (class and/or club) and is now excited about being able to teach the class from the beginning of next school year.

Not only did our team suffer from a lack of consistent teacher presence, but they also had to endure several financial burdens.

With the slowing economy, our sponsoring company had to significantly reduce their funding. This leaked out in the spring/summer of 2001 and soon the students were under the impression that the company was bailing out completely. This was not the case, but what a way to spend a summer! The students thought the sponsor and teacher had both left the robotics program. I can't even imagine what they were thinking would happen to the robotics class that they look forward to so much.

As previously stated, we started this past fall with a new teacher and very little funding. The parents and students came up with many different fundraisers and worked feverishly to raise the money. This was recognized at the Canadian Regional as we were presented the Entrepreneurial award. Passing out flyers, collecting pop cans, working concession stands, selling pizza kits, conducting raffles and knocking on doors of local businesses for their support were instrumental in raising the cash needed for the year.

I am proud of what this team has done. Having less than 15 students (only 2 of which are males), we accomplished far more than what people might want to give credit.

The students put in close to 1000 hours in fundraising.
The engineers and machinists worked over 1700 hours.
The team raised over $30,000.
The teacher and parents participated in countless ways.

Now, we are in jeopardy of losing our robotics lab. Without a lab and a place to build, drive and test a robot on a playing field, it doesn't really matter how much time and effort the team members put into this program.

Our school district boasts of a grand Technology Plan. The FIRST program motivates and teaches students, supplies powerful software tools such as Autodesk Inventor, 3D StudioMax, Microsoft Office and Frontpage and lets students meet CEO's, Chairmen, and directors of organizations such as NASA, Delphi, Visteon and General Motors. This certainly helps to achieve this goal.

Sports and athletics are important, but so are academics. Woody is right when he says there is something wrong about naming an engineering marvel, the tunnel connecting Boston Logan Intíl airport to the city, after a baseball star (Ted Williams).

This is why I, too, am concerned about losing our robotics lab to yet another physical fitness endeavor. The athletic teams in our school have support (like all other schools across the US), and we need to keep what little resources we have.

The number of students who will actually continue into college and eventually make a career in professional sports is very slim compared to the number of students who could continue on after high school, attend college and land a job in a technical profession.

A number of our graduates have entered engineering and related fields in college due to our program, and several have continued as interns and co-ops with our sponsor.

The dreams have to start somewhere. The FIRST team shows students that they can achieve whatever it is that they put their mind to.

Without our lab, I'm afraid that it will be very difficult for Team 5 to exist and have continued success.

Let me close by thanking the other teams for their kind words. It is always our privilege to help out other teams and explain how our robots operate. We enjoy working with you just as much, and look forward to seeing those familiar faces and teams at the competitions while making new friends as well. It is nice to feel the support from all over the nation and as far away as Brazil!

Please do all that you can to keep your team alive and well.

Sincerely,
David Bryer
Engineer and mentor,
Team #5

Ben Mitchell
05-11-2002, 02:10 PM
If you need an essay, please, feel free to use this. I wrote it as part of a presentation, about my experiance's with FIRST. Hopefully, It'll be one of many you can show them to demostrate the impact FIRST has had.

Good Luck, and have you tried talking to the FIRST staffers in your area?
********************************************

Last year was my first year of involvement in FIRST robotics. In the six weeks of building, and the actual competitions, I had the privilege of working with some intelligent, creative, and caring adults. In the course of the year, I worked closely with engineers, parents, as well as business people, and the FIRST staff. I was transformed by the experience, from someone who knew nothing about engineering, to one who loves the field. The engineers at Bihler, our corporate sponsor, were instrumental in helping me learn about the engineering process. No matter how late, or busy, they could always spare a minute to explain something, or to listen to an idea. Being a part of the team introduced me to a world I had never before seen: the world of engineering.

When the opportunity arose for me to mentor elementary school students with LEGO Mindstorms, I jumped at the opportunity. I had bought a Mindstorms set during the year, and I found building with it had quite a bit in common with building a big robot for the FIRST competition, but was safer, and easier to use. I wanted to share my knowledge with the younger kids, and mentor them in the same manner I was mentored by the adults of team 303.

We gave the kids a challenge every day, and they had to build a robot to complete it. Most had never used a Mindstorms set before, and it was amazing seeing the wonder on their faces as they built their first robot. They couldnít believe it. They spent a few hours every day, explaining to each other about the different robots, and talking about drive systems. The mentors of the Summer Robotics Challenge, managed to get twenty elementary schoolers excited about engineering. So excited, in fact, that they would rather work on their robot than eat lunch. It was then we knew we had something special. FIRST could work even on an elementary level, with LEGO parts. The messages and programs of FIRST bring technology and engineering to children in a fun and engaging way. Since the program, unlike an athletics event, always has room for improvement a design, as well as infinite approaches to the same problem, FIRST can teach far more than just a single task or game or event. It teaches ideas and values that are used just as often off the playing field: Gracious professionalism, as well as creative thinking.

FIRST has changed my life, and I will continue to try and give others the same experience by expanding the FIRST program to a many places as possible. No matter how glamorous sports programs may seem, only a fraction of students can earn a living as playing sports. There is a future in engineering, and FIRST helps bring this future to young people across the country. FIRST has made me love teaching young students, and helping to introduce them to one of the most important professions in the world. . It felt like I was making a difference. I was introducing these children, whether they realizing it or not, to the field of engineering. They loved it. It was something they could do, and could continue to do, years from now, and still not learn it all. It would help bring kids out of dead-end lives, and into a successful world of knowledge, and education. It will allow them to be independent thinkers, and break the mold that society may have branded for them. It doesnít matter how strong you are, or even how smart you are, in FIRST. Itís about ideas and learning, and that never stops at the end of season.

Thank you, FIRST, for changing my life around.

Benjamin Mitchell
Bridgewater-Raritan High School
FIRST Robotics Team 303
*********************************************

Little Lee132
05-11-2002, 06:06 PM
Our High schoool has a mission statement for our school district:
The mission of Melvindale-Northern Allen Park Public Schools is to provide an educational enviornment which will challenge students and prepare them to become productive members of a global society. We are dedicated to continuously improving the quality of education through cooperative efforts of school personnel, students, their families and members of our community. We believe that all students can learn and achieve personal success.



Doesn't robotics get us ready for a global society? We have already been to Canada, we have met people from Brazil and Bossnia. It shows us how to get along w/ other people by using GRACIOUS PROFFESIONALISM. Also robotics helps improve our education in science and technology. And I'm almost positive that everyone on our team has achieved personal success. So if our robotics team goes along w/( and reaches way past )our mission statement, then why do they want to get rid of it? Maybe that's omething we should ask them.......

CheckeredSkaKid
05-12-2002, 09:29 PM
Hi, this is Les from team 5. Once again, I can't thank all of you enough for all of your support and ideas and everything else you hace contributed.
With all of your help, I believe that we have prepared a fine presentation that we, tomorrow, will present to the school board.
Thanks again for all of your contributions, emails, phones calls, ect..., we surly couldn't have done this well with out you all.
I'll update you later tomarrow, after the meeting to tell you how it went.
Thanks once again.

Abi
05-12-2002, 09:41 PM
I thought the board meeting was on Tues.

Dave...
05-13-2002, 04:43 PM
Thanks again to everyone for their support.

Please be advised that the high school and board office has heard our concerns. We will be making a presentation to the school board in the near future and we ask that you please refrain from any further emails and phone calls.

Similar to spam and telemarketers, an overwhelming amount of support can quickly become tiresome and even burdensome.

Have a great summer!

On behalf of Team #5
Dave...

Abi
05-13-2002, 04:58 PM
so no board meeting tomorrow?

DanL
05-13-2002, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by Dave...
we ask that you please refrain from any further emails and phone calls.

I take it thats a good sign for you guys in terms of support?

Robocardgrl5
05-14-2002, 07:51 AM
Yes, you guys can take Dave's message as a good sign. The principal is working with us and not against us. No matter what we'll still be Team 5. we just might be relocating but nothing is set as of now. Thank you for your support. We all appreciate it.

Rachel
Team 5

DanL
05-19-2002, 10:55 PM
Bringing back long-lost threads, what's going on with you guys and your room? How's the fight going for you guys?

Raven_Writer
07-28-2003, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by SuperDanman
Bringing back long-lost threads, what's going on with you guys and your room? How's the fight going for you guys?
Ok, to do the same....we got a new room (sadly it's the In-School Room). It's quite nice....when school starts again, I'll take a picture of it and post it up here. We did a lot of nice things to it.

[NOTE: Mod's - Sorry about re-covering this thread...I just sorta figured I'd inform people].

Amanda Morrison
07-28-2003, 08:52 PM
Some teams never have any space as it is. My suggestion would be to fight for what you have to the death... but in the instance that you lose the space to athletics, work in a basement/see if a local business will loan you space/do anything you can.

It's very possible to have a team without the space you are trying to claim - it's just how hard you work to adapt to what you have.

It's great that you've found a space for now, but should you ever lose it, don't let your team die just because nobody decides to leave room for you. Show them that you are more than just a school team or school club, and find your way around them.

sanddrag
07-28-2003, 08:53 PM
One idea I had was that if there is a YMCA near they usually have a few empty rooms. You could try to work out a deal with them to use one.

DanLevin247
07-28-2003, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by JosephM
Hey that would be funnny. Dean comming in on a Segway to a school board meeting. I can see it now.




....Complete with a bad arse flame paint job, and an ontorage of members of the FIRST community.


As for team 5, I'm lucky enough to have a good friend from that team, Matt Attallah. Matt is a great guy, and I've had the pleasure of having him over to my place before, another member of team five is Eric (ravenwriter), another cool guy. It's a real shame to hear that ANY first team is being put out by anthing, even moreso an athletic program. I'd be happy to do anything and everything in my power to ensure that the robocards stay around. Great team, with some great members.

As someone mentioned above, robotics isn't know widley enough yet, and that's a major problem all teams will always have to face, coming out of the shadows and making ourselves known is a good thing for every team to strive for. It's obvious...FIRST members will take over the world someday.


As for team 5, I hope that all goes well with your'e efforts to prove to your'e school board that the robocards are very worthy of staying where you are, good luck!

Raven_Writer
07-28-2003, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by DanLevin247
....Complete with a bad arse flame paint job, and an ontorage of members of the FIRST community.


As for team 5, I'm lucky enough to have a good friend from that team, Matt Attallah. Matt is a great guy, and I've had the pleasure of having him over to my place before, another member of team five is Eric (ravenwriter), another cool guy. It's a real shame to hear that ANY first team is being put out by anthing, even moreso an athletic program. I'd be happy to do anything and everything in my power to ensure that the robocards stay around. Great team, with some great members.

As someone mentioned above, robotics isn't know widley enough yet, and that's a major problem all teams will always have to face, coming out of the shadows and making ourselves known is a good thing for every team to strive for. It's obvious...FIRST members will take over the world someday.


As for team 5, I hope that all goes well with your'e efforts to prove to your'e school board that the robocards are very worthy of staying where you are, good luck!
Well, we have a small room, and our principal (former team member btw) isn't to good w/ us right now. It took us a year (and then some) to just get the guy to let us use a trophy case, now we have to get one. FIRST is great for meeting people (*wink* *wink*). The only problem now is that our team will be bigger (for the start, anyways), and our room didn't do to good holding 20+ kids alone.

Maybe I'll start doing some school stuff, and try to convince people to give us the old room back.

sanddrag
07-28-2003, 10:31 PM
The robotics team is our school's sports team pretty much. However, our old room is being converted to a video studio and our new room is much smaller and hasn't a window. They did buy us a bunch of cool tools and stuff to go with the move so I'm not complaining.

Matt Attallah
07-29-2003, 12:33 AM
...and this got resurrected how?

It's all good for now. We have room to store our robots/tools and enough place to build a playing field...

It's better than some teams! :)

KWachowski27
07-29-2003, 01:42 PM
Look, this thread isn't about your personal gripes against atheltic sports. Face it, there are more athletic team members in your schools than FIRST members, if that is untrue, you have an interseting school. It is obvious, that those of you who even post about how inferior you believe atheltics are, have never participated in them. You obviously have no idea that it actually takes a bit more effort to do something that you have less of a chance succeeding in along side maintaining high academic grades. Yes, there is a significantly lower probability of entering professional sports as a profession, but, like most sports (including FIRST) , some more than others, do help build people's character and confidence. i also find it somewhat ironic that you complain about how everyone stereotypes FIRST students as goofy, strangely dressed nerds with no lives, when you're ready to label an athlete or athletic supporter as a macho, egotistical dullard who wants to push FIRST and other academic organiztions off the board.

Sorry about that, i was getting irritated.
Anyways, like many of you have said (those of you who actually had some sort of positive feedback), getting the community involved in FIRST is one of the quickest ways to gain recognition.

Raven_Writer
07-29-2003, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Matt Attallah
...and this got resurrected how?

It's all good for now. We have room to store our robots/tools and enough place to build a playing field...

It's better than some teams! :)
I found this in someone's profile (the "Last Post" section).

KWachowski27> I'm pretty sure if it was easy enough, we could. But we don't have many who actually wanna put the umph into helping out the team (this is just in my views).