2006 Championship Divisions

[SizzelChest330]

Its kinda early...
Inspired by last years thread ;)

Archimedes Curie Galileo Newton


1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 79 85 86
87 88 93 108
111 118 120 121
122 125 126 128
135 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 179
180 190 191 192
195 201 203 204
207 211 217 223
224 226 228 231
233 234 236 237
247 254 269 279
292 295 302 304
308 312 322 326
330 337 340 341
343 345 346 348
357 358 359 365
371 375 378 386
395 397 401 405
406 418 435 440
444 447 461 462
468 469 476 486
494 499 503 519
525 527 540 546
555 563 573 585
610 614 618 647
650 662 665 686
714 716 752 768
803 809 815 816
830 836 842 846
862 868 869 888
896 900 922 928
945 967 971 973
980 989 999 1002
1023 1024 1033 1038
1057 1089 1102 1103
1114 1126 1138 1187
1188 1250 1251 1262
1272 1280 1289 1302
1323 1324 1350 1366
1367 1368 1379 1394
1402 1403 1422 1425
1446 1448 1450 1452
1481 1482 1492 1502
1503 1506 1507 1508
1511 1523 1538 1541
1549 1560 1563 1567
1592 1595 1604 1616
1617 1626 1646 1654
1675 1680

[Koko Ed]

Its kinda early...
Inspired by last years thread ;)

Archimedes Curie Galileo Newton

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 27
25 33 38 45
40 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
66 69 70 74
71 79 85 86
87 88 93 108
111 118 120 121
122 125 126 128
135 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 179
180 190 191 192
195 201 203 204
207 211 217 223
224 226 228 231
233 234 236 237
247 254 269 292
279 295 302 304
308 312 322 326
330 337 340 341
343 345 346 348
357 358 359 365
371 375 378 386
395 397 401 405
405 406 418 435
440 444 447 461
462 468 469 476
486 494 499 503
519 525 527 540
546 555 563 573
585 610 614 618
647 650 662 665
686 714 716 752
768 803 809 815
816 830 836 842
846 862 868 869
888 896 900 922
928 945 967 971
971 973 980 989
999 1002 1023 1024
1033 1038 1057 1089
1102 1103 1114 1126
1138 1187 1188 1250
1251 1262 1272 1280
1289 1302 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1394 1402 1403
1422 1425 1446 1448
1450 1452 1481 1482
1492 1502 1503 1506
1507 1508 1511 1523
1538 1541 1549 1560
1563 1567 1592 1595
1604 1616 1617 1626
1646 1654 1675 1680
1685
heh.
I actually was thinking of starting one on Friday.

[Corey Balint]

I really do hope they get creative this year and do some sort of randomization. Bracket teams together by years participating in FIRST, then assign an equal amount to each one of the four divisions. All random assignments though.
I really dont like that we are basically guaranteed to not participate against the likes of RUSH or BUZZ or 22 or 20.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I'll raise my hand as the first to agree with Corey. We've only been to Nationals twice, but it seems we had a bunch of the same teams in our division each time. Maybe divisions could be arranged by a point system?

A regional participation gets you 1 point. Being one of the Top 8 teams is 2 points. Regional finalist is 3 points. Regional Winner is 5 points.

After all points are distributed, teams could be sorted the same way they are now, starting with the top ranked team and going down the list, assigned each team the next division. (In case of a tie in points, teams can be sorted by team number, or randomly.) This system would assure every division is fun to watch and compete in.

[Bharat Nain]

I'll raise my hand as the first to agree with Corey. We've only been to Atlanta twice, but it seems we had a bunch of the same teams in our division each time. Maybe divisions could be arranged by a point system?

A regional participation gets you 1 point. Being one of the Top 8 teams is 2 points. Regional finalist is 3 points. Regional Winner is 5 points.

After all points are distributed, teams could be sorted the same way they are now, starting with the top ranked team and going down the list, assigned each team the next division. (In case of a tie in points, teams can be sorted by team number, or randomly.) This system would assure every division is fun to watch and compete in.

Exactly what Shaun and I were thinking. We discussed this last season too. I think if a lot of us put out a word for this FIRST will respond because this idea makes sense.

[nuggetsyl]

I'll raise my hand as the first to agree with Corey. We've only been to Atlanta twice, but it seems we had a bunch of the same teams in our division each time. Maybe divisions could be arranged by a point system?

A regional participation gets you 1 point. Being one of the Top 8 teams is 2 points. Regional finalist is 3 points. Regional Winner is 5 points.

After all points are distributed, teams could be sorted the same way they are now, starting with the top ranked team and going down the list, assigned each team the next division. (In case of a tie in points, teams can be sorted by team number, or randomly.) This system would assure every division is fun to watch and compete in.
i agree 100% with you. I was just talking with a friend about something simlar to your idea. Your system is neater. My idea was to do it off one of your reagional rankings (seeding).

shaun

[Corey Balint]

I'll raise my hand as the first to agree with Corey. We've only been to Atlanta twice, but it seems we had a bunch of the same teams in our division each time. Maybe divisions could be arranged by a point system?

A regional participation gets you 1 point. Being one of the Top 8 teams is 2 points. Regional finalist is 3 points. Regional Winner is 5 points.

After all points are distributed, teams could be sorted the same way they are now, starting with the top ranked team and going down the list, assigned each team the next division. (In case of a tie in points, teams can be sorted by team number, or randomly.) This system would assure every division is fun to watch and compete in.
I love the idea Tom, but i doubt FIRST would do something as slightly complex as that is. They seem to like to take the simple ways. I also think alot of teams/individuals wouldn't agree with the ranking idea because sometimes teams get lucky or go to an easier regional or more regionals, and all sorts of things like that.

[Koko Ed]

I really do hope they get creative this year and do some sort of randomization. Bracket teams together by years participating in FIRST, then assign an equal amount to each one of the four divisions. All random assignments though.
I really dont like that we are basically guaranteed to not participate against the likes of RUSH or BUZZ or 22 or 20.
Hey we'll never be in a division with 190., 192 or 195.
FIRST aint changing it for nuthin'. It aint broke so they aint fixin' it.

[Corey Balint]

Hey we'll never be in a division with 190., 192 or 195.
FIRST aint changing it for nuthin'. It aint broke so they aint fixin' it.
It might not be broke, but it is very lame, and very dry.

[SizzelChest330]

I was hoping for a straight up Random drawling of divisions

Just completely randomly paired

[Corey Balint]

Id agree with you there, but you would get complaints saying that some divisions were walkovers, and some were impossible...basically, not enough parity.

[Karthik]

Corey,

How about these divisions...

1 20 9 11
4 59 22 49
16 122 38 74
25 125 70 86
27 148 120 87
33 166 151 128
40 174 168 155
45 201 203 159
47 211 207 192
48 224 228 204
60 226 247 223
65 295 302 231
66 337 308 304
67 345 340 326
69 375 346 341
71 397 359 348
79 405 378 365
85 406 401 371
88 440 418 386
93 444 447 405
108 468 462 435
111 486 499 461
118 519 527 476
121 525 546 540
126 555 563 573
135 610 614 585
173 647 662 618
175 650 716 665
176 714 768 686
179 803 809 752
180 830 836 815
190 846 868 816
191 862 926 842
195 945 967 869
217 1002 971 888
233 1033 1023 971
234 1038 1057 999
236 1103 1102 1024
237 1187 1138 1089
254 1289 1188 1126
269 1302 1323 1250
279 1366 1350 1324
292 1394 1367 1368
312 1422 1402 1379
322 1425 1446 1403
330 1452 1450 1448
343 1502 1481 1482
357 1507 1511 1492
358 1508 1538 1506
395 1541 1549 1523
469 1563 1592 1560
494 1567 1617 1595
503 1616 1675 1604
980 1654 1685 1626
1114 1262 1272 1280
1251 973 1646 989
1503 896 900 922
1680

[Koko Ed]

Id agree with you there, but you would get complaints saying that some divisions were walkovers, and some were impossible...basically, not enough parity.
Archie is looking pretty nasty as of right now.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Corey,

How about these divisions...


The first division looks really boring. You would need to distribute more well known teams into it. :rolleyes:

[Koko Ed]

Corey,

How about these divisions...

1 20 9 11
4 59 22 49
16 122 38 74
25 125 70 86
27 148 120 87
33 166 151 128
40 174 168 155
45 201 203 159
47 211 207 192
48 224 228 204
60 226 247 223
65 295 302 231
66 337 308 304
67 345 340 326
69 375 346 341
71 397 359 348
79 405 378 365
85 406 401 371
88 440 418 386
93 444 447 405
108 468 462 435
111 486 499 461
118 519 527 476
121 525 546 540
126 555 563 573
135 610 614 585
173 647 662 618
175 650 716 665
176 714 768 686
179 803 809 752
180 830 836 815
190 846 868 816
191 862 926 842
195 945 967 869
217 1002 971 888
233 1033 1023 971
234 1038 1057 999
236 1103 1102 1024
237 1187 1138 1089
254 1289 1188 1126
269 1302 1323 1250
279 1366 1350 1324
292 1394 1367 1368
312 1422 1402 1379
322 1425 1446 1403
330 1452 1450 1448
343 1502 1481 1482
357 1507 1511 1492
358 1508 1538 1506
395 1541 1549 1523
469 1563 1592 1560
494 1567 1617 1595
503 1616 1675 1604
980 1654 1685 1626
1114 1262 1272 1280
1251 973 1646 989
1503 896 900 922
1680
That first division (Archimedes?) looks greusome.
No way, Jose.
Needs to be more balanced than that.

[Corey Balint]

Corey,

How about these divisions...
25
71
1114
That's all i need to see...

[Corey Balint]

That first division (Archimedes?) looks greusome.
No way, Jose.
Needs to be more balanced than that.
I would assume there would be many teams crying the day those divisions would be announced.

[Koko Ed]

I would assume there would be many teams crying the day those divisions would be announced.
You mean not all of them would?

[Corey Balint]

You mean not all of them would?
I could not be happier with those divisions. I say, if you are gonna win, you want to beat the best, not take the easy route.

[SizzelChest330]

I think you should rename those divisions to

IRI Curie Galileo Newton

[Bharat Nain]

I think you should rename those divisions to

IRI Curie Galileo Newton

That's quite funny but true.

[SizzelChest330]

Ive made the corrections to the list on the first page
980s back in Archimedes ;)

[Dan Petrovic]

Archie is looking pretty nasty as of right now.

And Newton

[Rick TYler]

As long as you've left out 492, your list is wrong. :)

[Nuttyman54]

I just looked at the list of registered teams for the event. How do you check which division you're in? or did you just take them in numerical order and sort them?

[Ricky Q.]

Divisions aren't officially released till the week before Atlanta. But this sorting is the way that it has been done for the past couple years.

[George A.]

Yeah...in the revision archemedes is absolutely stacked...the original divisions were pretty even, but i'd give the toughest nod to newton...i hope they randomize it, but I know they won't

[GaryVoshol]

What if they randomize it within each block of 100 team numbers? Put teams 1-100 in a "box" and "draw" them out. Then do the same for 101-200, 201-300, etc. It could easily be computerized.

[Conor Ryan]

archmeides was stacked, the division championships would be tougher than Einstein.

What if it worked out like
A C G N
1 9 16 22
4 11 20 25
27 38 45 48
33 40 47 49
59 65 67 70
60 66 69 71
74 85 87 93
79 86 88 108
ect. ect.

Basically 2 teams go to Archimedes, then 2 to Curie, then 2 to Galileo and then 2 to Newton. This way you'd get to see some teams that are side by side without completely stacking the competition like Karthik. (notice how he had all the Niagra FIRST teams in the same division)

[Koko Ed]

So here's the divisions before the week 1 regionals begin.
230 teams


1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 79 85 86
87 88 93 100
108 111 118 120
121 122 125 126
128 135 138 148
151 155 159 166
168 173 174 175
176 179 180 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 231 233 234
236 237 247 254
269 279 292 295
302 304 308 312
322 326 330 337
340 341 343 345
346 348 357 358
359 365 371 375
378 386 395 397
401 405 406 418
435 440 444 447
461 462 468 469
476 486 494 499
503 519 525 527
540 546 555 563
573 585 610 614
618 647 650 662
665 686 714 716
752 768 803 809
815 816 830 836
842 846 862 868
869 888 896 900
922 928 945 967
971 973 980 989
999 1002 1014 1023
1024 1033 1038 1057
1089 1102 1103 1114
1126 1138 1187 1188
1250 1251 1262 1272
1280 1289 1302 1323
1324 1350 1366 1367
1368 1379 1394 1402
1403 1422 1425 1446
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1507 1508 1511
1523 1538 1541 1549
1560 1563 1567 1592
1595 1604 1616 1617
1626 1646 1654 1675
1680 1685

[SizzelChest330]

That actually looks pretty balanced as of now

Newton might have a slight lead..

[Koko Ed]

Here are the division before week 2 begins:
245 teams
1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 135 138
148 151 155 159
166 168 173 174
175 176 179 180
190 191 192 195
201 203 204 207
211 217 223 224
226 228 231 233
234 236 237 247
254 269 279 292
295 302 304 308
312 322 326 330
337 340 341 343
345 346 348 357
358 359 365 371
375 378 384 386
395 397 401 405
406 418 435 440
444 447 461 462
468 469 476 486
492 494 499 503
519 525 527 540
546 555 563 573
585 610 614 618
647 650 662 665
686 714 716 752
753 768 803 809
815 816 830 836
842 846 862 868
869 888 896 900
922 928 945 967
971 973 980 989
999 1002 1014 1023
1024 1033 1038 1057
1089 1102 1103 1114
1124 1126 1138 1187
1188 1250 1251 1262
1272 1276 1279 1280
1289 1302 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1390 1394 1402
1403 1422 1425 1446
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1507 1508 1511
1519 1523 1538 1539
1541 1547 1549 1560
1563 1567 1592 1595
1598 1604 1610 1616
1617 1626 1646 1654
1675 1680 1685 1778
1885

[Conor Ryan]

This is how i see them in order of Toughness

1. Newton
2. (Tie) Curie
2. Archimedes
4. Galileo

But who knows about that, it's the beginning of week 2 and it's Atlanta, anything can happen.

[Alex Cormier]

Any updates form this weeks events?

[Koko Ed]

Any updates form this weeks events?
Ask and ye shall recieve!
1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 190 191
192 195 201 203
204 207 211 217
223 224 226 228
229 231 233 234
236 237 247 254
269 279 292 295
302 304 308 312
322 326 330 337
340 341 343 346
348 357 358 359
365 371 375 378
384 386 395 397
401 405 406 418
435 440 444 447
461 462 468 469
476 486 492 494
499 503 519 525
527 540 546 547
555 563 573 585
610 614 618 647
650 662 665 686
714 716 752 753
768 803 809 815
816 830 836 842
846 862 868 869
888 896 900 922
928 945 967 971
973 980 999 1002
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1114 1124 1126
1138 1187 1188 1250
1251 1262 1272 1276
1279 1280 1289 1302
1323 1324 1350 1366
1367 1368 1379 1390
1394 1402 1403 1422
1425 1446 1448 1450
1452 1481 1482 1492
1502 1503 1506 1507
1508 1511 1519 1523
1538 1539 1541 1547
1549 1560 1563 1567
1592 1595 1598 1604
1610 1616 1617 1626
1646 1649 1654 1675
1680 1685 1718 1723
1743 1778 1807 1885

252 Teams.

[George A.]

That fourth division looks pretty stacked...granted they all do, but the fourth one (whichever it's named) is going to be intense.

[Corey Balint]

That fourth division looks pretty stacked...granted they all do, but the fourth one (whichever it's named) is going to be intense.
I like a challenge. :cool:

[George A.]

I like a challenge. :cool:


Big shocker there ;)

Good luck in Vegas

[Freddy Schurr]

How do you come up with the divisons and how each team is rank for it.

[SizzelChest330]

How do you come up with the divisons and how each team is rank for it.

The last few years FIRST has just counted them off

Archimedies Galileo Curie Newton

1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 etc.

So thats how were coming up with these divisions ;)

[Heretic121]

someone please tell me who its so hard to pull 1-4 out of a hat for each team and set a limit for x amount of teams per division??? how long would it take to write a VB or java program that did that??? an hour or two!?!?

GET UN LAZY FIRST!!! =D

* i mean hell ill make the app!!! *

[Rick TYler]

someone please tell me who its so hard to pull 1-4 out of a hat for each team and set a limit for x amount of teams per division??? how long would it take to write a VB or java program that did that??? an hour or two!?!?

GET UN LAZY FIRST!!! =D

* i mean hell ill make the app!!! *

Ummm, why? What makes that better than the current method? No need to overcomplicate a simple problem -- and this method guarantees an even mix of older and younger teams in each division.

[Heretic121]

Ummm, why? What makes that better than the current method? No need to overcomplicate a simple problem -- and this method guarantees an even mix of older and younger teams in each division.
well so would the new way really *not over complicate things*... it would also allow teams 121 to face teams like 122 and 125 in nationals... and teams like 25 to face 27 and 33...

honestly its you make a program that says give # 1 2 3 4 --> XXX teams that are competeting in nationals an a b c or d in random order and once this many # of a's hits xx then stop giving out that letter... not hard... not random... and it would work for endless seasons to come since its randomly generated just like thier match lists... =D... easy...

so yes it would be meaningful and no it wouldnt over complicate things...

i think i answered everything =D

[Koko Ed]

well so would the new way really *not over complicate things*... it would also allow teams 121 to face teams like 122 and 125 in nationals... and teams like 25 to face 27 and 33...

honestly its you make a program that says give # 1 2 3 4 --> XXX teams that are competeting in nationals an a b c or d in random order and once this many # of a's hits xx then stop giving out that letter... not hard... not random... and it would work for endless seasons to come since its randomly generated just like thier match lists... =D... easy...

so yes it would be meaningful and no it wouldnt over complicate things...

i think i answered everything =D
Like FIRST is really concerned about things like that.
All they care about is getting the divisions out not appeasing the whims of some teams to work with other teams ( if it's really that big a deal dig deep in your pockets and go get in whatever regional they're in). FIRST has no reason to change the system so they won't. It's not even worth argueing about.

[nuggetsyl]

hey at least this way you can kinda scout nationals

shaun

[Peter Matteson]

Ummm, why? What makes that better than the current method? No need to overcomplicate a simple problem -- and this method guarantees an even mix of older and younger teams in each division.

I don't like the fact our team will never be in the same division as 174, 175, 176, 178, 179, 180 no matter what happens. These are the other UTC sponsored teams and I would like to actually have the opportunity to be located in a close pit to them and compete with/against them. We always have 173 (Rage another UTC team) next to us but I'd be willing to give that up for some variety. Particularly 179 and 180 who are down in Florida and we never get to see up here in NE. Theoretically, right now we can only conceivably ever play each other in Einstien!

[Jon K.]

I still want them to bring back the 02 style of the 5 team chunks. It allowed me to find out about other teams plus with this format you do end up with the same teams year after year.

[Freddy Schurr]

Archimedes Curie Galileo Newton


A C G N
1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 190 191
192 195 201 203
204 207 211 217
223 224 226 228
229 231 233 234
236 237 247 254
269 279 292 295
302 304 308 312
322 326 330 337
340 341 343 346
348 357 358 359
365 371 375 378
384 386 395 397
401 405 406 418
435 440 444 447
461 462 468 469
476 486 492 494
499 503 519 525
527 540 546 547
555 563 573 585
610 614 618 647
650 662 665 686
714 716 752 753
768 803 809 815
816 830 836 842
846 862 868 869
888 896 900 922
928 945 967 971
973 980 999 1002
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1114 1124 1126
1138 1187 1188 1250
1251 1262 1272 1276
1279 1280 1289 1302
1323 1324 1350 1366
1367 1368 1379 1390
1394 1402 1403 1422
1425 1446 1448 1450
1452 1481 1482 1492
1502 1503 1506 1507
1508 1511 1519 1523
1538 1539 1541 1547
1549 1560 1563 1567
1592 1595 1598 1604
1610 1616 1617 1626
1646 1649 1654 1675
1680 1685 1718 1723
1743 1778 1807 1885

[Nawaid Ladak]

that idea scares me.....

is this how they have done the divisions EVERY YEAR?

[JJG13]

This might involve a little work but...

How about ranking every team by the average amount of points they have scored each match they have played. In the case of a tie use something like number of wins or the flip of a coin to break the tie. Then the highest ranked team by this process goes to Archimedes, the second to Curie, the third to Galileo, the fourth to Newton, the fifth to Archimedes again, etc.

This ensures that each division is about equal (more equal than the current method), and ensures that a different assortment of teams are in each division, each year.

[Allison K]

Is it just me or are the teams currently listed in a bit of a random order on the FIRST site?

http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=CMP

A division sort from that list may fix the issue of teams never getting to see the three teams on either side of them. Though Murphy may see it as the perfect opporutunity - fixing one problem will cause three new ones.

~Allison

[Koko Ed]

Is it just me or are the teams currently listed in a bit of a random order on the FIRST site?

http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=CMP

A division sort from that list may fix the issue of teams never getting to see the three teams on either side of them. Though Murphy may see it as the perfect opporutunity - fixing one problem will cause three new ones.

~Allison
I think this is the order teams signed up for the championship.
Here is how the order would look:

47 254 16 175
365 4 70 406
190 842 148 191
118 67 341 151
126 540 330 45
846 610 665 69
204 815 397 207
809 503 519 525
211 226 928 1124
971 166 1390 87
686 1302 348 1262
1452 9 862 1368
418 1448 1057 585
25 121 1038 33
816 494 74 1114
66 79 217 499
716 563 71 27
128 1 312 322
1350 233 555 340
292 469 180 358
1089 967 111 1002
195 155 173 1567
48 868 269 1188
85 302 527 1251
1503 830 1507 1511
337 159 573 1126
203 1549 1403 375
237 980 88 236
1502 546 343 174
1604 108 93 1560
49 234 1024 38
279 486 59 1538
1450 1541 65 435
1482 1272 1675 614
1280 1523 179 461
1446 100 768 378
304 228 395 1626
247 447 922 86
386 714 224 1033
476 192 135 20
1595 60 346 1680
1506 803 11 650
1250 231 176 1402
945 999 647 223
359 357 1508 900
1492 662 1654 618
888 836 22 1379
1023 1323 1138 1685
326 440 444 1592
168 122 973 401
1289 308 40 1481
371 1646 295 869
468 125 120 462
405 1102 1394 1425
201 1366 1324 1563
1617 752 896 1187
1367 1616 1422 138
1539 1014 1922 1279
1598 75 1610 384
753 1885 492 1547
1778 1276 1519 133
1807 1714 1718 547
1743 1723 1727 177
229 989

[BandChick]

Now, THAT, is pretty random! Why wouldn't that work?

[SizzelChest330]

Now, THAT, is pretty random! Why wouldn't that work?

Because Curie (3rd division) would kill :D

[Koko Ed]

Here is the listing before week 4 regionals begin.
272 teams:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 38 40 45
47 48 49 59
60 65 66 67
69 70 71 74
75 79 85 86
87 88 93 100
108 111 118 120
121 122 125 126
128 133 135 138
148 151 155 159
166 168 173 174
175 176 177 179
180 184 190 191
192 195 201 203
204 207 211 217
223 224 226 228
229 231 233 234
236 237 247 254
269 279 280 292
295 302 304 308
312 322 326 330
337 340 341 343
346 348 357 358
359 365 371 375
378 384 386 395
401 405 406 418
435 440 444 447
462 468 469 476
486 488 492 494
499 503 519 525
527 540 546 547
555 563 573 581
585 610 612 614
618 647 650 662
665 686 714 716
752 753 766 768
803 809 815 816
830 836 842 846
862 868 869 888
896 900 922 928
945 967 971 973
980 989 999 1002
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1114 1124 1126
1138 1187 1188 1241
1250 1251 1262 1272
1276 1279 1280 1289
1302 1323 1324 1350
1366 1367 1368 1379
1390 1394 1402 1403
1414 1422 1425 1448
1450 1452 1481 1492
1502 1503 1506 1507
1508 1511 1519 1523
1538 1539 1541 1547
1549 1560 1563 1567
1592 1595 1598 1604
1610 1616 1617 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1675 1680 1685 1700
1714 1718 1719 1723
1727 1743 1746 1756
1778 1807 1810 1868
1885 1887 1922 1941

[BobC]

The first division looks really boring. You would need to distribute more well known teams into it. :rolleyes:

What are well known teams?? :confused:

[DjAlamose]

What are well known teams?? :confused:
In my opinion, if you can recite their name and number then describe their robots from other years, then they are a well known team.

But aside from that, I really don't mind how FIRST does the selections for divisions. I have never really seen a need for splitting up the divisions further and doing more complicated selections. But as someone said above, they could just do it as when teams sign up.

[Travis Hoffman]

Here is the listing before week 4 regionals begin.
272 teams:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 38 40 45
47 48 49 59
60 65 66 67
69 70 71 74
75 79 85 86
87 88 93 100
108 111 118 120
121 122 125 126
128 133 135 138
148 151 155 159
166 168 173 174
175 176 177 179
180 184 190 191
192 195 201 203
204 207 211 217
223 224 226 228
229 231 233 234
236 237 247 254
269 279 280 292
295 302 304 308
312 322 326 330
337 340 341 343
346 348 357 358
359 365 371 375
378 384 386 395
401 405 406 418
435 440 444 447
462 468 469 476
486 488 492 494
499 503 519 525
527 540 546 547
555 563 573 581
585 610 612 614
618 647 650 662
665 686 714 716
752 753 766 768
803 809 815 816
830 836 842 846
862 868 869 888
896 900 922 928
945 967 971 973
980 989 999 1002
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1114 1124 1126
1138 1187 1188 1241
1250 1251 1262 1272
1276 1279 1280 1289
1302 1323 1324 1350
1366 1367 1368 1379
1390 1394 1402 1403
1414 1422 1425 1448
1450 1452 1481 1492
1502 1503 1506 1507
1508 1511 1519 1523
1538 1539 1541 1547
1549 1560 1563 1567
1592 1595 1598 1604
1610 1616 1617 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1675 1680 1685 1700
1714 1718 1719 1723
1727 1743 1746 1756
1778 1807 1810 1868
1885 1887 1922 1941

This one would be very interesting because a.) 1114, 1503, and 1680 (I wonder if they like being called the "Triplets"?) will all be in the same division, and b.) we'd be there with them.

[Peter Matteson]

I like the current split because it puts us in Galileo. We like Galileo. See 2001 and 2004 if you don't understand. :D

[AmyPrib]

What do you think about having 6 divisions (including einstein)?

I have an inkling. :yikes:

[Peter Matteson]

What do you think about having 5 divisions?

I have an inkling. :yikes:

But how do you structure Einstien then? How do you determine who competes in the play in? We aren't seeded in that sort of way.

[AmyPrib]

But how do you structure Einstien then? How do you determine who competes in the play in? We aren't seeded in that sort of way.

(I changed my original message, I think it'd have to be 6 divisions). But if you had 6 divisions, you would have 6 winning alliances that go on to play for the final championships.... It could happen.

[Collin Fultz]

1714 1718 1719 1723
1727 1743 1746 1756
1778 1807 1810 1868
1885 1887 1922 1941

1747 - Harrison Boiler Robotics qualified at Boilermaker and will be in attendance. Not sure when the registration/payment went through though.

[Koko Ed]

What do you think about having 6 divisions (including einstein)?

I have an inkling. :yikes:
If they were going to do that why not make it 8?

[AmyPrib]

If they were going to do that why not make it 8?
Available space? We know the dome has space for 5 right now, and I think there's a 6th spot open and waiting......(not sure where FLL and VEX will be crammed to though)...
Plus if 8 fields, with roughly 300 teams (maybe more), you'd have "relatively" small divisions... which could be nice... but... i think space is more the limitation.

[Koko Ed]

Available space? We know the dome has space for 5 right now, and I think there's a 6th spot open and waiting......(not sure where FLL and VEX will be crammed to though)...
You can put a field in each end zone. Boot Vex and FLL to the pits and that'll be the fifth field and Einsitein would be number six.

[Greg Needel]

yes there is probably room for it but lets think what it would take to make a few more fields.

1) fields - they already have them this year with 8 regionals
2)Field people - more skilled people to run the field
3)field reset, cuing, refs - another whole set of refs for each additional field
4) more radio channels - i think that the IFI system can only support 30 teams running at the same time
etc.

For every additional person they need down there they need to provide a t-shirt, food, etc.

The more fields you have the less time you have in between matches, would you really like to make that 15 min walk from the pits to the field every 30 mins?

and the real reason they should never do it is because they will take away our conga line space http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/f06/f0600eca14dc0bdac55154842ce2a04c_m.jpg

[Koko Ed]

yes there is probably room for it but lets think what it would take to make a few more fields.

1) fields - they already have them this year with 8 regionals
2)Field people - more skilled people to run the field
3)field reset, cuing, refs - another whole set of refs for each additional field
4) more radio channels - i think that the IFI system can only support 30 teams running at the same time
etc.

For every additional person they need down there they need to provide a t-shirt, food, etc.

The more fields you have the less time you have in between matches, would you really like to make that 15 min walk from the pits to the field every 30 mins?

and the real reason they should never do it is because they will take away our conga line space http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/f06/f0600eca14dc0bdac55154842ce2a04c_m.jpg
Yeah but remember seconds after that happened FIRST in their ultimnate Killjoy vibe offically banned having Conga lines on the championship field.

[Nuttyman54]

I'm a little unsure how 5 or 6 divisions would work for the eliminations. As far as i know, you need powers of 2 to make the current system work. An odd number could be downright painful...

[Tom Bottiglieri]

and the real reason they should never do it is because they will take away our conga line space http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/f06/f0600eca14dc0bdac55154842ce2a04c_m.jpg
Oh yeah. We started that. :)

(Thanks for the friendly reminder.. I almost forgot that happened!)

[AmyPrib]

Well, maybe the 6 aren't necessarily all for FRC. I suppose it's possible 2 of the fields are used for FLL and VEX. But, I'm not a fan of having 80 teams per division. Sigh.

[nuggetsyl]

Here is the listing before week 4 regionals begin.
272 teams:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 38 40 45
47 48 49 59
60 65 66 67
69 70 71 74
75 79 85 86
87 88 93 100
108 111 118 120
121 122 125 126
128 133 135 138
148 151 155 159
166 168 173 174
175 176 177 179
180 184 190 191
192 195 201 203
204 207 211 217
223 224 226 228
229 231 233 234
236 237 247 254
269 279 280 292
295 302 304 308
312 322 326 330
337 340 341 343
346 348 357 358
359 365 371 375
378 384 386 395
401 405 406 418
435 440 444 447
462 468 469 476
486 488 492 494
499 503 519 525
527 540 546 547
555 563 573 581
585 610 612 614
618 647 650 662
665 686 714 716
752 753 766 768
803 809 815 816
830 836 842 846
862 868 869 888
896 900 922 928
945 967 971 973
980 989 999 1002
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1114 1124 1126
1138 1187 1188 1241
1250 1251 1262 1272
1276 1279 1280 1289
1302 1323 1324 1350
1366 1367 1368 1379
1390 1394 1402 1403
1414 1422 1425 1448
1450 1452 1481 1492
1502 1503 1506 1507
1508 1511 1519 1523
1538 1539 1541 1547
1549 1560 1563 1567
1592 1595 1598 1604
1610 1616 1617 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1675 1680 1685 1700
1714 1718 1719 1723
1727 1743 1746 1756
1778 1807 1810 1868
1885 1887 1922 1941
is 33 going because there not on the list you just posted last
shaun

[Sila741]

I feel stupid asking this, but what is Einstien? Is it some kind of division?

[Koko Ed]

is 33 going because there not on the list you just posted last
shaun
http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smackhead.gif

[Allison K]

Here is the listing before week 4 regionals begin.
272 teams:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 229 231 233
234 236 237 247
254 269 279 280
292 295 302 304
308 312 322 326
330 337 340 341
343 346 348 357
358 359 365 371
375 378 384 386
395 401 405 406
418 435 440 444
447 462 468 469
476 486 488 492
494 499 503 519
525 527 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 618 647 650
662 665 686 714
716 752 753 766
768 803 809 815
816 830 836 842
846 862 868 869
888 896 900 922
928 945 967 971
973 980 989 999
1002 1014 1023 1024
1033 1038 1057 1089
1102 1103 1114 1124
1126 1138 1187 1188
1241 1250 1251 1262
1272 1276 1279 1280
1289 1302 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1390 1394 1402
1403 1414 1422 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1492 1502 1503 1506
1507 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1592 1595 1598
1604 1610 1616 1617
1626 1629 1646 1649
1654 1675 1680 1685
1700 1714 1718 1719
1723 1727 1743 1746
1756 1778 1807 1810
1868 1885 1887 1922
1941

There all fixed. 33 Included.

[Nuttyman54]

I feel stupid asking this, but what is Einstien? Is it some kind of division?
Yes. There are four divisions at the Championships: Newton, Curie, Archimedes and Einstien. Each division plays like a regional.

[Allison K]

Yes. There are four divisions at the Championships: Newton, Curie, Archimedes and Einstien. Each division plays like a regional.

The four divisions are Newton, Curie, Archimedes, and Galileo. :)

Einstein is the fifth field where the division champs play for the finals.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe prior to 2003 (or maybe 2002) the four divisions rotated through the Einstein field, so they had five fields in use instead of four, and could fit more matches in.

~Allison

[Nuttyman54]

whoops, my bad...
I'd switched Einstein and Galileo.

[Chris Fultz]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe prior to 2003 (or maybe 2002) the four divisions rotated through the Einstein field, so they had five fields in use instead of four, and could fit more matches in.

~Allison

You are right. The total number of teams was smaller. Teams played in their division, but could be on different fields, including Einstein out under the big partial dome. Fans had to move around to see their team compete.

[Koko Ed]

You are right. The total number of teams was smaller. Teams played in their division, but could be on different fields, including Einstein out under the big partial dome. Fans had to move around to see their team compete.
The main reason I hate watching FIRST at Disney.
The park was awesome but FIRST has definately improved when it comes to the actual event and unless Disney sudeenly builds a 60,000 seat domed stadium with a 2,000,000 square foot convention center attatched to it I really see no reason for them to ever go back.

[Cory]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe prior to 2003 (or maybe 2002) the four divisions rotated through the Einstein field, so they had five fields in use instead of four, and could fit more matches in.

~Allison

Einstein was also it's own division (now replaced by Galileo).

[Tetraman]

Yes. There are four divisions at the Championships: Newton, Curie, Archimedes and Einstien. Each division plays like a regional.

When Steven Hawking dies...do you think his name might make a fifth Division?

[JJG13]

Why does he have to die first? There is no law saying you can't dedicate something to a living person.

[AmyPrib]

When Steven Hawking dies...do you think his name might make a fifth Division?

I think we'll see Da Vinci first... he might serve VEX rather than FRC though.

[George A.]

If I remember correctly DaVinci was the name of the FVC field last year...but they could always change that around.

[DanDon]

is there an updated list of teams by division including the teams now attending from last weeks regionals

[Alex Burman]

not fully updated but the alignment had been bothering me
1____4___9____11
16___20__22___25
27___33__38___40
45___47__48___49
59___60__65___66
67___69__70___71
74___75__79___85
86___87__88___93
100__108_111__118
120__121_122__125
126__128_133__135
138__148_151__155
159__166_168__173
174__175_176__177
179__180_184__190
191__192_195__201
203__204_207__211
217__223_224__226
228__229_231__233
234__236_237__247
254__269_279__280
292__295_302__304
308__312_322__326
330__337_340__341
343__346_348__357
358__359_365__371
375__378_384__386
395__401_405__406
418__435_440__444
447__462_468__469
476__486_488__492
494__499_503__519
525__527_540__546
547__555_563__573
581__585_610__612
614__618_647__650
662__665_686__714
716__752_753__766
768__803_809__815
816__830_836__842
846__862_868__869
888__896_900__922
928__945_967__971
973__980_989__999
1002 1014 1023 1024
1033 1038 1057 1089
1102 1103 1114 1124
1126 1138 1187 1188
1241 1250 1251 1262
1272 1276 1279 1280
1289 1302 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1390 1394 1402
1403 1414 1422 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1492 1502 1503 1506
1507 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1592 1595 1598
1604 1610 1616 1617
1626 1629 1646 1649
1654 1675 1680 1685
1700 1714 1718 1719
1723 1727 1743 1746
1756 1778 1807 1810
1868 1885 1887 1922
1941

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Division 4...

25, 40, 66, 71, 118, 173, 177, 190, 233, 469..

OUCH!

[Koko Ed]

is there an updated list of teams by division including the teams now attending from last weeks regionals
Ask and ye shall recieve:

Week 5
295 teams.
1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 229 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 254 269 271
279 280 292 295
302 304 308 312
322 326 330 337
340 341 343 346
348 357 358 359
365 375 378 384
386 395 397 401
405 406 418 435
440 444 447 461
462 468 469 476
486 488 492 494
499 503 519 525
527 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 618 647 650
662 665 686 710
714 716 752 753
766 768 803 809
812 815 816 830
842 846 852 862
868 869 888 896
900 922 928 945
967 968 971 973
980 989 999 1002
1006 1014 1023 1024
1033 1038 1057 1089
1102 1103 1108 1114
1124 1126 1138 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1262 1266 1272
1276 1279 1280 1289
1302 1305 1306 1323
1324 1350 1366 1367
1368 1379 1390 1394
1402 1403 1414 1422
1425 1448 1450 1452
1481 1482 1492 1502
1503 1506 1508 1511
1519 1523 1538 1539
1541 1547 1549 1560
1563 1567 1568 1592
1595 1598 1601 1604
1610 1616 1617 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1662 1675 1680 1685
1700 1714 1717 1718
1719 1723 1726 1727
1743 1746 1747 1756
1761 1778 1807 1810
1816 1834 1846 1868
1880 1885 1887 1897
1922 1941

[Rick TYler]

Ask and ye shall recieve:
Week 5
295 teams.


Did you notice that the Poofs and Johnny Five (254 & 968) are in the same division on that list? You might get to see at least one set of twins team up in Atlanta.

[Nawaid Ladak]

Ask and ye shall recieve:

Week 5
295 teams.
1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 229 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 254 269 271
279 280 292 295
302 304 308 312
322 326 330 337
340 341 343 346
348 357 358 359
365 375 378 384
386 395 397 401
405 406 418 435
440 444 447 461
462 468 469 476
486 488 492 494
499 503 519 525
527 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 618 647 650
662 665 686 710
714 716 752 753
766 768 803 809
812 815 816 830
842 846 852 862
868 869 888 896
900 922 928 945
967 968 971 973
980 989 999 1002
1006 1014 1023 1024
1033 1038 1057 1089
1102 1103 1108 1114
1124 1126 1138 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1262 1266 1272
1276 1279 1280 1289
1302 1305 1306 1323
1324 1350 1366 1367
1368 1379 1390 1394
1402 1403 1414 1422
1425 1448 1450 1452
1481 1482 1492 1502
1503 1506 1508 1511
1519 1523 1538 1539
1541 1547 1549 1560
1563 1567 1568 1592
1595 1598 1601 1604
1610 1616 1617 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1662 1675 1680 1685
1700 1714 1717 1718
1719 1723 1726 1727
1743 1746 1747 1756
1761 1778 1807 1810
1816 1834 1846 1868
1880 1885 1887 1897
1922 1941
hey, does this include all the pending teams. because most likely. they should get in.

[Koko Ed]

hey, does this include all the pending teams. because most likely. they should get in.
Nope.
When they sign up I'll put them in.

[ScoutingNerd175]

Oh god, duck and cover :ahh: lol, our division is pretty scary as of now.

[akshar]

so the last set of regionals are over, any idea when the Championship Divsion Team list will be coming out?

[Cory]

so the last set of regionals are over, any idea when the Championship Divsion Team list will be coming out?

Probably not for a week or two. teams who qualified this weekend still have time to sign up, and teams who are currently signed up can still submit payment.

[JamesBrown]

Probably not for a week or two. teams who qualified this weekend still have time to sign up, and teams who are currently signed up can still submit payment.

All of the regionals aren't over yet, Las Vegas is still in QF (time zones make it easy to watch the finals)

[Rob2713g]

Everyone keeps speaking about 4 divisions, but if you go to http://demo-first.blogspot.com/ it shows 6 fields in the first photo. I've never been to championships, so I was wondering what the other 2 fields are for (practice maybe?), or is this a hint that there will be 6 fields?

[Ian Curtis]

Yep, theres six. 4 for FRC divisions (Galileo, Newton, Curie, Archimedes). 1 for FRC finals/FLL competition (Einstein) and one for FVC (Da Vinci).

My PVC Pirate-eth post!

[Dan Petrovic]

Oh god, duck and cover :ahh: lol, our division is pretty scary as of now.

Ahh I feel your pain, man. We've got both 254 and 968. 121, 69, 229 and 1126.

At least we don't have to worry about any of the NiagraFIRST triplets or 494 and 70.

[StephLee]

Well, here's my list...it's including all the registered teams, pending teams, and all the teams who qualified from week 5 regionals. I know some of them might not get to go, but...what else was I supposed to do, I want to know what our division's going to look like!! :p

1 4 8 9
11 16 20 22
25 27 33 38
40 45 47 48
49 59 60 65
66 67 69 70
71 74 75 79
85 86 87 88
93 100 103 108
111 118 120 121
122 125 126 128
133 135 138 148
151 155 159 166
168 173 174 175
176 177 178 179
180 184 190 191
192 195 201 203
204 207 211 217
223 224 226 228
229 231 233 234
236 237 245 247
254 269 271 279
280 291 292 296
295 302 304 306
308 312 322 321
326 330 337 340
341 343 346 348
354 357 358 359
365 375 378 383
384 386 395 397
399 401 405 406
418 433 435 440
444 447 451 461
462 468 469 476
481 486 488 492
494 499 503 514
519 522 525 527
537 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 618 647 650
662 665 686 710
714 716 752 753
766 768 803 809
812 815 816 830
836 842 846 852
862 865 868 869
888 896 900 904
922 926 928 935
945 967 968 971
973 980 987 989
999 1002 1006 1014
1023 1024 1033 1038
1057 1089 1102 1103
1108 1114 1124 1126
1138 1155 1158 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1262 1266 1270
1272 1276 1279 1280
1281 1289 1302 1305
1306 1319 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1390 1394 1398
1402 1403 1414 1421
1422 1425 1448 1450
1452 1481 1482 1492
1502 1503 1506 1508
1511 1519 1523 1538
1539 1541 1547 1549
1560 1563 1567 1568
1574 1577 1592 1595
1598 1601 1604 1610
1616 1617 1625 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1657 1662 1675 1680
1685 1700 1712 1714
1717 1718 1719 1723
1726 1727 1730 1743
1745 1746 1747 1756
1761 1778 1784 1803
1807 1810 1814 1816
1834 1846 1868 1880
1885 1887 1897 1902
1906 1918 1922 1941
1942 1955 1977

[Joe Ross]

so the last set of regionals are over, any idea when the Championship Divsion Team list will be coming out?

2 years ago, it came out the Thursday after the last regionals. Last year it came out the second Monday after the last regionals.

[Nuttyman54]

well if that list doesn't change, 1114 and 1503 are in the same division. Watch out

[JackN]

If the aliances end up like this, Archimedes looks like it might be the strongest division by a lot.

[George A.]

ok this is going to sound like a stupid question...but let's say that they make the divisions...and it goes

A C G N
1 2 4 5


and so on...and then team 3 qualifies and registers...do they go inbetween 2 and 4 like they're numerically supposed to, or are they randomly assigned to another division?

[Allison K]

They get added in numerical order. That's why people have been continually updating the list, because every time a new team is added it changes.

[jgannon]

ok this is going to sound like a stupid question...but let's say that they make the divisions...and it goes

A C G N
1 2 4 5


and so on...and then team 3 qualifies and registers...do they go inbetween 2 and 4 like they're numerically supposed to, or are they randomly assigned to another division?
Divisions won't be assigned until registration for Atlanta is closed.

[Nuttyman54]

let's say that they make the divisions...and it goes

A C G N
1 2 4 5


and so on...and then team 3 qualifies and registers...do they go inbetween 2 and 4 like they're numerically supposed to, or are they randomly assigned to another division?

They'd bump 4 to Newton and 5 to Archimedes so it would become

A C G N
1 2 3 4
5

[George A.]

Thanks for the speedy respones...so i'm also assuming that these lists are comprised of teams that qualified, not necessarily going...for example

team 433 won (and most deservedly so) the EI at Philly today, and since registration is closed on Tuesday (correct me if I'm wrong) then they won't be going to atlanta, and thus the lists will shift again...so i guess we'll just have to wait and see when registration closes.

[Nuttyman54]

I thought teams had 2 weeks to register. I know when we won SVR back in 2004 that's what we had, and we needed all of it to scrounge up the money.

[Cory]

well if that list doesn't change, 1114 and 1503 are in the same division. Watch out

I highly doubt that 254/968 1114/1503/1680 or 494/70 end up in the same division.

[GaryVoshol]

I highly doubt that 254/968 1114/1503/1680 or 494/70 end up in the same division.Seeing as 1680 isn't on the list yet, at least 1/3 of your prediction will be true.

[StephLee]

Seeing as 1680 isn't on the list yet, at least 1/3 of your prediction will be true.


1 4 8 9
11 16 20 22
25 27 33 38
40 45 47 48
49 59 60 65
66 67 69 70
71 74 75 79
85 86 87 88
93 100 103 108
111 118 120 121
122 125 126 128
133 135 138 148
151 155 159 166
168 173 174 175
176 177 178 179
180 184 190 191
192 195 201 203
204 207 211 217
223 224 226 228
229 231 233 234
236 237 245 247
254 269 271 279
280 291 292 296
295 302 304 306
308 312 322 321
326 330 337 340
341 343 346 348
354 357 358 359
365 375 378 383
384 386 395 397
399 401 405 406
418 433 435 440
444 447 451 461
462 468 469 476
481 486 488 492
494 499 503 514
519 522 525 527
537 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 618 647 650
662 665 686 710
714 716 752 753
766 768 803 809
812 815 816 830
836 842 846 852
862 865 868 869
888 896 900 904
922 926 928 935
945 967 968 971
973 980 987 989
999 1002 1006 1014
1023 1024 1033 1038
1057 1089 1102 1103
1108 1114 1124 1126
1138 1155 1158 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1262 1266 1270
1272 1276 1279 1280
1281 1289 1302 1305
1306 1319 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1390 1394 1398
1402 1403 1414 1421
1422 1425 1448 1450
1452 1481 1482 1492
1502 1503 1506 1508
1511 1519 1523 1538
1539 1541 1547 1549
1560 1563 1567 1568
1574 1577 1592 1595
1598 1601 1604 1610
1616 1617 1625 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1657 1662 1675 1680
1685 1700 1712 1714
1717 1718 1719 1723
1726 1727 1730 1743
1745 1746 1747 1756
1761 1778 1784 1803
1807 1810 1814 1816
1834 1846 1868 1880
1885 1887 1897 1902
1906 1918 1922 1941
1942 1955 1977

They're on the list, but not in the same division as 1503 and 1114.

[Joe Ross]

ok this is going to sound like a stupid question...but let's say that they make the divisions...and it goes

A C G N
1 2 4 5


and so on...and then team 3 qualifies and registers...do they go inbetween 2 and 4 like they're numerically supposed to, or are they randomly assigned to another division?

Once FIRST officially releases the divisions, the teams don't get added in the middle. The get added at the end. In your example, team 3 would get added to A. The next team would get added to C.

A C G N
1 2 4 5
3

Like Joey Gannon said, the Divisions won't come out until registration closes, so there may be no changes, or if there is a team added from the waiting list, it won't mess everyone up.

[jgannon]

Six more teams added today. 1114, 1503, and 1680 are all in separate divisions. 254 and 968 are separate, but 70 and 494 are together. The fourth division looks to be the strongest.

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 229 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 254 269 271
279 280 292 295
302 304 308 312
322 326 330 337
340 341 343 346
348 357 358 359
365 375 378 384
386 395 397 399
401 405 406 418
433 435 440 444
447 451 461 462
468 469 476 486
488 492 494 499
503 514 519 525
527 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 618 647 650
662 665 686 710
714 716 752 753
766 768 803 809
812 815 816 830
836 842 846 852
862 868 869 888
896 900 904 922
928 945 967 968
971 973 980 989
999 1002 1006 1014
1023 1024 1033 1038
1057 1089 1102 1103
1108 1114 1124 1126
1138 1155 1184 1187
1188 1241 1250 1251
1261 1262 1266 1272
1276 1279 1280 1289
1302 1305 1306 1323
1324 1350 1366 1367
1368 1379 1390 1394
1402 1403 1414 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1568 1592 1595
1598 1601 1604 1610
1616 1617 1626 1629
1646 1649 1654 1655
1662 1675 1680 1685
1700 1714 1717 1718
1719 1723 1726 1727
1743 1746 1747 1756
1761 1778 1807 1810
1816 1834 1846 1868
1880 1885 1887 1897
1918 1922 1941

[SizzelChest330]

Is anyone else seeing alot of the same teams in thier division again this year? not just from the updated list, but in all of them nearly the same pattern.

[vadyr]

103 isnt on there :( ...we just registered so im sure it will take a little while for FIRST to get our name on the books

[Travis Hoffman]

103 isnt on there :( ...we just registered so im sure it will take a little while for FIRST to get our name on the books

**Why do we all keep doing this when we KNOW the list is going to change? Humans are funny.

Here are the divisions with all pending teams included:


1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 103 108 111
118 120 121 122
125 126 128 133
135 138 148 151
155 159 166 168
173 174 175 176
177 179 180 184
190 191 192 195
201 203 204 207
211 217 223 224
226 228 229 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 254 269
271 279 280 292
295 296 302 304
306 308 312 322
326 330 337 340
341 343 346 348
354 357 358 359
365 375 378 383
384 386 395 397
399 401 405 406
418 433 435 440
444 447 451 461
462 468 469 476
481 486 488 492
494 499 503 514
519 525 527 537
538 540 546 547
555 563 573 581
585 610 612 614
618 647 650 662
665 686 710 714
716 752 753 766
768 803 809 812
815 816 830 836
842 846 852 862
868 869 888 896
900 904 922 926
928 945 967 968
971 973 980 987
989 999 1002 1006
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1108 1114 1124
1126 1138 1155 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1261 1262 1266
1272 1276 1279 1280
1281 1289 1302 1305
1306 1319 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1390 1394 1402
1403 1414 1421 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1568 1592 1595
1598 1601 1604 1610
1616 1617 1625 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1655 1662 1675 1680
1685 1700 1714 1717
1718 1719 1723 1726
1727 1743 1745 1746
1747 1756 1761 1778
1784 1803 1807 1810
1816 1834 1846 1868
1880 1885 1887 1897
1902 1906 1918 1922
1941

[nuggetsyl]

:( 233 is now not in our division. but we did get 111 :D

[Tim Delles]

175 and 254 are both in our division as of right now :D

[Andy Baker]

:( 233 is now not in our division. but we did get 111 :D

How do you know FIRST will select divisions this way?

I really hope FIRST has some creativity and mixes up the division selection this year. They could do it a number of ways:

ABCD

1st 10 (or another number) are in 1 division, next 10 in another, next 10 in another, next 10 in another

Geographically: west, east, south, north

Team colors: Red & Orange, Yellow & Green, Blue & Indigo, Violet & Black
(that would be HILARIOUS!!)

Time in FIRST: 15-10 years, 9-6 years, 5-3 years, 2-1 years

Team names: All teams with "Robo" in one division, all teams with "Techno" in another, All teams with "bot" in the third, and the rest for others. OK... that would not work too well.

Random selection, Wednesday night @ Championships: We all gather in the dome while Dean and Woodie draw numbers from a lotto machine. Numbers go on the big screen and teams cheer. Forklifts go crazy in the pits shuffling crates back and forth. Mass hysteria ensues. Silliness prevails.

The 4 Field m/c's are "team captains". They pick which teams are in their divisions, like on the elementary school playground before a kickball game. The last team picked in each division automatically is partnered with the #1 seed in the finals.

oh... this is getting fun...

FIRST counts up the number of calls and emails from each team. The teams with the most calls and emails asking for assistance all get placed into one division, as the teams who never call or email are placed in another. Teams who call only sometimes are put into two other divisions. The one division with all of the "communicators" has a riot midway through the Q matches on Friday.

All Chairman's Award finalists, spirit award winners, and teams with WFFA winners are placed in the same division. All other teams are strewn about the three remaining divisions. The CA, spirit, and WFFA division winners are determined by which teams are the loudest and the most helpful. The matches in this division stop midway through Friday, as everyone forms a group hug and then proceeds to do the Cha Cha Slide for the rest of the day.

... or, they can just do the ABCD method.

Andy B.

[Sam Lipscomb]

Originally Posted by Andy Baker
Team colors: Red & Orange, Yellow & Green, Blue & Indigo, Violet & Black

that would rock! except what happens to team pink and the queens? :p

as a member of a team that is not attending nationals, i feel left out. :( good thing i plan on being there anyway to cheer for all of new england's representatives! chea nerd!

[Andy Baker]

that would rock! except what happens to team pink and the queens? :p

We can put them in with the red & orange division.

Also... teams with multi-colors (tie dye, rainbow, etc.) must play in all divisions in this scenario. That should be no problem.

[Barry Bonzack]

Man it'd be nice if my two teams were in the same division... leave less running between pits for me. Looks like chances are slim though.

[Meredith Rice]

Team 433 won (and most deservedly so) the EI at Philly today, and since registration is closed on Tuesday (correct me if I'm wrong) then they won't be going to atlanta, and thus the lists will shift again...so i guess we'll just have to wait and see when registration closes.

The Firebirds were scrambling for the money to register for the championships, but the school graciously offered to cover the registration fee on Tuesday (today) provided they promise to reimburse the money. I heard some good news from Karen (on 433) that they found an additional sponsor who will hopefully be able to reimburse the school for the registration fee. So the Firebirds will most definitely be at Atlanta this month! :D (even though I won't attending with the team, I'm really siked for them; I'll be with them in spirit)

[GaryVoshol]

How do you know FIRST will select divisions this way?

I really hope FIRST has some creativity and mixes up the division selection this year. They could do it a number of ways:

//snip//

... or, they can just do the ABCD method.

Andy B.How about a - gasp! - serpentine selection: ABCD, DCBA, ABCD, etc.

[Greg Needel]

How do you know FIRST will select divisions this way?


they can just do the ABCD method.

Andy B.


personally i would like to see FIRST just to 2 at a time. Like AABBCCDD etc. There are too many teams that are right next to each other in numerical sequence that never get to play each other.

like when i was on 73 we always were with HOT (67) but never with beaty (71)...it would just help mix things up a bit and it isn't that hard to implement

[Alex Cormier]

uhoh, i dont really do much in the rumor mill but.

I see one dominate team in the first division. we shall see if they stay that way.

[Chris Fultz]

How do you know FIRST will select divisions this way?

Geographically: west, east, south, north

Andy B.


I was told, by a very reliable source (of course, I cannot disclose the name :ahh: ), that is was going to be by geographic location, with the N - S- E - W division borders determined by the locations of teams.

I understand that this decision has been made because the continual debate on which region is toughest is eating up too much space on Chief Delphi and makes the moderators work soo hard editing obsenities from posts. So, Brandon Martus convinced Woody and Dean to resolve it once and for all by having a showdown in the finals. This will finally answer the question on the playing field.

To make it a real test of the best, AFTER the division finals, the winning alliance captain can then re-select the other two teams to compete for the Championship out of everyone in their division. And, if they are truly full of GP, they could even give their captaincy to another team if they felt that would provide the BEST - BEST alliance for the Einstein matches.

It's all true, or Andy Baker is not my cousin. :)

[akshar]

I was told, by a very reliable source (of course, I cannot disclose the name :ahh: ), that is was going to be by geographic location, with the N - S- E - W division borders determined by the locations of teams.

very interesting. if divsions were picked by region, wouldnt it be like a super regional? most of the teams you compete aganst would be teams you saw during regionals (unless you went to a different region ie. 233 to boston). and where do international teams fit in

then if you were to :

To make it a real test of the best, AFTER the division finals, the winning alliance captain can then re-select the other two teams to compete for the Championship out of everyone in their division. And, if they are truly full of GP, they could even give their captaincy to another team if they felt that would provide the BEST - BEST alliance for the Einstein matches.

technically, wouldnt the winning alliance be the bst in their division? y would they want to change the alliance?

ps. i wouldnt mind having divsional championships

[AcesPease]

How do you know FIRST will select divisions this way?

I really hope FIRST has some creativity and mixes up the division selection this year.

Andy B.


I agree with Andy. Lets mix it up.

[nuggetsyl]

i hope first mixes things up but there is a saying if it is not broken do not fix it. Besides at the reagionals i went to i heard a bunch of teams complain about who they were with and against. I think someone from 48 talked about how he wished he was with or against us once.


shaun

[Travis Hoffman]

i hope first mixes things up but there is a saying if it is not broken do not fix it. Besides at the reagionals i went to i heard a bunch of teams complain about who they were with and against. I think someone from 48 talked about how he wished he was with or against us once.


shaun

Ah yes, that would have been me. We never faced or allied with 25 at New Jersey. We found that to be...disappointing.

Even in later regionals, we faced teams multiple times while not ever seeing others. I still think this can be improved upon.

Match list generation is a completely separate topic from the divisional selection criteria, because no matter which teams populate the division, the problem of facing teams multiple times while never seeing others will still be there.

I know a certain Canadian UFH and Head Referee who created a certain match list generation routine that was used very briefly in a few competitions but was then inexplicably discarded. His algorithm worked very well to reduce and/or eliminate the problems mentioned above. I have no idea why FIRST chose to abandon it.

[AcesPease]

Ah yes, that would have been me. We never faced or allied with 25 at New Jersey. We found that to be...disappointing.

Even in later regionals, we faced teams multiple times while not ever seeing others. I still think this can be improved upon.

Match list generation is a completely separate topic from the divisional selection criteria, because no matter which teams populate the division, the problem of facing teams multiple times while never seeing others will still be there.

I know a certain Canadian UFH and Head Referee who created a certain match list generation routine that was used very briefly in a few competitions but was then inexplicably discarded. His algorithm worked very well to reduce and/or eliminate the problems mentioned above. I have no idea why FIRST chose to abandon it.

There has been a lot of discussion about "Random" Match List Generation on this forum (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46060&highlight=alliance) , tough issue with no easy answer.

[Chris Fultz]

technically, wouldnt the winning alliance be the bst in their division? y would they want to change the alliance?



maybe, but not always - the winning alliance was the best combination of three teams from the way the draft is set up, but not necessarily the three "best" teams in the division to go forward and play. Think about it like Little League baseball. There is a season champion team, but then players from all of the teams become the all-stars.


Its all in fun, anyway.

[Mike Schroeder]

a little birdy told me they would have 6 fields running at Championships this year....

[Nawaid Ladak]

great, now if all the triplets are on one feild......ALL of them will most likely go to Eninstine......

how would a six feild system work

5 Divisions?????

and if the feilds are based on regions....then where do Great Britin, Brizil, Mexico, Equador, and Isreal fall into......

if the last statement is true.......i mean divisions by region..... that means most likely the first will be true as welll

This means trouble.......BIG TROUBLE
(If this is true)

[Ted Boucher]

a little birdy told me they would have 6 fields running at Championships this year....

Alright so seeing as it is really slow at Home Depot right now, and in a continuing effort to look busy i was browsing through the computer system to see if 200 Bedford Street had any recent orders and the only thing i saw scared me alittle, i printed out a copy but for the obvious reasons, i cannot keep my job and post it on the Internet, but an order was made for 2000 Mailboxes.... I don't know what this means, but it is an very interesting element indeed
( http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41123&highlight=mailbox )


Did this little birdy deliver 2000 mailboxes at FIRST HQ and overhear this?

lol just kidding! I would really like to see 6 fields this year, the more matches the better.

[Jake177]

Yep, theres six. 4 for FRC divisions (Galileo, Newton, Curie, Archimedes). 1 for FRC finals/FLL competition (Einstein) and one for FVC (Da Vinci).

6 divisions wouldn't really work. What would you do when it came time for the finals? Since 6 is not a power of 2, you would have to give 2 division champs byes. How would you figure out which two wouldn't have to play the first round?

Now 8 divisions...

[pathew100]

6 divisions wouldn't really work. What would you do when it came time for the finals? Since 6 is not a power of 2, you would have to give 2 division champs byes. How would you figure out which two wouldn't have to play the first round?

Now 8 divisions...

He was actually referring to the amount of fields they have set up on the floor of the Georgia Dome. There are 4 for the 4 FRC divisions, one for Einstein (the finals and awards are done here) and one area for FLL and FVC.

[DanDon]

Here are the divisions as of 18:48 EST on Tuesday 4/4 with 307 teams registered:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 229 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 254 269 271
279 280 292 295
302 304 308 312
322 326 330 337
340 341 343 346
348 354 357 358
359 365 375 378
384 386 395 397
399 401 405 406
418 433 435 440
444 447 451 461
462 468 469 476
486 488 492 494
499 503 514 519
525 527 538 540
546 547 555 563
573 581 585 610
612 614 647 650
662 665 686 710
714 716 752 753
766 768 803 809
812 815 816 830
836 842 846 852
862 868 869 888
896 900 904 922
928 935 945 967
968 971 973 980
989 999 1002 1006
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1108 1114 1124
1126 1138 1155 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1261 1262 1266
1272 1276 1279 1280
1289 1302 1305 1306
1323 1324 1350 1366
1367 1368 1379 1390
1394 1402 1403 1414
1425 1448 1450 1452
1481 1482 1492 1502
1503 1506 1508 1511
1519 1523 1538 1539
1541 1547 1549 1560
1563 1567 1568 1592
1595 1598 1601 1604
1610 1616 1617 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1655 1662 1675 1680
1685 1700 1714 1717
1718 1719 1723 1726
1727 1730 1743 1746
1747 1756 1761 1778
1807 1810 1816 1834
1846 1868 1880 1885
1887 1897 1918 1922
1941 1942 1977

[Kirk]

Where did you find the list on Firsts site? Or is your list still a guess?

[DanDon]

Where did you find the list on Firsts site? Or is your list still a guess?

No, FIRST didn't release the divisions yet. My list is still a guess :(.

Oh well, all we can do is speculate until they do release the list......I'll just keep updating every day with the new team lists.

[DanDon]

As I posted here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=483087#post483087) according to the FIRST site, the deadline for payment is April 14. Which means we probably have until then to speculate....all the more time for "as of now" division lists......yay!! :D

[Koko Ed]

Lord have mercy! I just spent a good portion of the night trying to organize the divisions by east, west, north and south like Andy suggested. Waaaay too many East Coast and Northern (basically Midwestern) teams to pull off.
That was a complete waste of time. :rolleyes:

[AmyPrib]

a little birdy told me they would have 6 fields running at Championships this year....

Heh, musta been the same birdy I heard back on pg4. :D I do wish they'd find a good way to reduce number of teams per division though.

[Lil' Lavery]

6 divisions wouldn't really work. What would you do when it came time for the finals? Since 6 is not a power of 2, you would have to give 2 division champs byes. How would you figure out which two wouldn't have to play the first round?

Now 8 divisions...
They could just extend the Einstein play. Have a round robin style ranking system for the alliances, the top 2 ranked alliance then get round 1 byes int he elimination rounds. Who wouldn't want more awesome play on the Einstein field?

[Jon Jack]

I wonder if FIRST would want to build an extra playing field. After all they already have 8 playing fields built, and if they built 1 more they could make each of the 8 playing fields a division with the new field used a the Einstein field. This way the amount of teams playing on Einstein is a power of 2. Also, each division would only be about 43 or so teams.

Then again would there be enough space on the floor of the GD to hold 8 playing fields?

[Ricky Q.]

I wonder if FIRST would want to build an extra playing field. After all they already have 8 playing fields built, and if they built 1 more they could make each of the 8 playing fields a division with the new field used a the Einstein field. This way the amount of teams playing on Einstein is a power of 2. Also, each division would only be about 43 or so teams.

Then again would there be enough space on the floor of the GD to hold 8 playing fields?

FIRST actually has 10 fields.

I think we will see the same old system, 4 divisions, ABCD style.

[pyroslev]

Same Divisions. The question now is how will the order in them be decided.

The White paper that someone posted helps. Update as you go

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/1812

[Sam Lipscomb]

I feel stupid asking this, but what is Einstien? Is it some kind of division?

Einstien is the name of the field for finals. Division winners, an alliance each from Archimedes, Curie, Galileo and Newton, all compete on Einstien for the Championship Winners title. Semifinals between the four divisions, then two left to go for the gold!

[Elgin Clock]

Einstien is the name of the field for finals. Division winners, an alliance each from Archimedes, Curie, Galileo and Newton, all compete on Einstien for the Championship Winners title. Semifinals between the four divisions, then two left to go for the gold!

To add to what Sam said, Einstein is also where Opening and Closing cermonies take place.

[Mr.G]

The Pit Map on the First's web site still shows 4 divisions, but there is a red and a blue section for each. So it will be 4 or 8 fields.

[pyroslev]

The Pit Map on the First's web site still shows 4 divisions, but there is a red and a blue section for each. So it will be 4 or 8 fields.

Just noticed that. Probably four divisions. Red/Blue might be part of the location system for the volunteers or for station setup on the field. Who knows.

315 teams and counting. My list has shifted at least four times today.

[Peter Matteson]

I'm now thinking they'll do divisions like the pits at the events I've been to this year.

Highest and lowest numbers in A
2nd Highest and 2nd lowest numbers in B
3rd Highest and 3rd lowest numbers in C
etc...

Won't be a huge shift if they do it but something like that or a serpentine type of division selection would be nice.

[Nawaid Ladak]

There is a new opener on the FIRST website, it says 6 feilds

4 divisions, einstin and davinchi

[AmyPrib]

Here's the agenda with their flowchart of activities.
http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/2006/regional/agenda/At-a-Glance_Agenda.pdf

DaVinci for VEX. Einstein for FLL and FRC finals.

[Laura 1547]

Here's the latest list!! What can i say...I got bored :rolleyes:


1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 229 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 254 269 271
279 280 291 292
295 302 304 308
312 322 326 330
337 340 341 343
346 348 354 357
358 359 365 375
378 384 386 395
397 399 401 405
406 418 433 435
440 444 447 451
461 462 468 469
476 486 488 492
494 499 503 514
519 525 527 537
538 540 546 547
555 563 573 581
585 610 612 614
647 650 662 665
686 710 714 716
752 753 766 768
803 809 812 815
816 830 836 842
846 852 862 865
868 869 888 896
900 904 922 928
935 945 967 968
971 973 980 987
989 999 1002 1006
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1108 1114 1124
1126 1138 1155 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1261 1262 1266
1270 1272 1276 1279
1280 1289 1302 1305
1306 1319 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1390 1394 1402
1403 1414 1421 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1568 1574 1577
1592 1595 1598 1601
1604 1610 1616 1617
1626 1629 1646 1649
1654 1655 1657 1662
1675 1680 1685 1700
1714 1717 1718 1719
1723 1726 1727 1730
1743 1746 1747 1756
1761 1778 1807 1810
1814 1816 1834 1846
1868 1880 1885 1887
1897 1902 1906 1918
1922 1941 1942 1977


That's with 320 teams registered. There's still plenty more to come. :)

[DanDon]

And here are divisions were all the pending teams to pay:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 103 108 111
118 120 121 122
125 126 128 133
135 138 148 151
155 159 166 168
173 174 175 176
177 179 180 184
190 191 192 195
201 203 204 207
211 217 223 224
226 228 229 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 254 269
271 279 280 291
292 295 296 302
304 306 308 312
322 326 330 337
340 341 343 346
348 354 357 358
359 365 375 378
383 384 386 395
397 399 401 405
406 418 433 435
440 444 447 451
461 462 468 469
476 481 486 488
492 494 499 503
514 519 525 527
537 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 647 650 662
665 686 710 714
716 752 753 766
768 772 803 809
812 815 816 830
836 842 846 852
862 865 868 869
888 896 900 904
922 926 928 935
945 967 968 971
973 980 987 989
999 1002 1006 1014
1023 1024 1033 1038
1057 1089 1102 1103
1108 1114 1124 1126
1138 1139 1155 1158
1184 1187 1188 1241
1250 1251 1261 1262
1266 1270 1272 1276
1279 1280 1281 1289
1302 1305 1306 1319
1323 1324 1350 1366
1367 1368 1379 1390
1394 1398 1402 1403
1414 1421 1425 1448
1450 1452 1481 1482
1492 1502 1503 1506
1508 1511 1519 1523
1538 1539 1541 1547
1549 1560 1563 1567
1568 1574 1577 1592
1595 1598 1601 1604
1610 1616 1617 1625
1626 1629 1646 1649
1654 1655 1657 1662
1675 1680 1685 1700
1714 1717 1718 1719
1723 1726 1727 1730
1743 1745 1746 1747
1756 1761 1778 1784
1803 1807 1810 1814
1816 1834 1846 1868
1880 1885 1887 1897
1902 1906 1918 1922
1941 1942 1977

That's a total of 335 teams (320 teams registered and 15 teams pending).

Team list: here (http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=CMP&year=2006&area=)

[coldfusion1279]

Here's the latest list!! What can i say...I got bored :rolleyes:


1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 229 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 254 269 271
279 280 291 292
295 302 304 308
312 322 326 330
337 340 341 343
346 348 354 357
358 359 365 375
378 384 386 395
397 399 401 405
406 418 433 435
440 444 447 451
461 462 468 469
476 486 488 492
494 499 503 514
519 525 527 537
538 540 546 547
555 563 573 581
585 610 612 614
647 650 662 665
686 710 714 716
752 753 766 768
803 809 812 815
816 830 836 842
846 852 862 865
868 869 888 896
900 904 922 928
935 945 967 968
971 973 980 987
989 999 1002 1006
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1108 1114 1124
1126 1138 1155 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1261 1262 1266
1270 1272 1276 1279
1280 1289 1302 1305
1306 1319 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1390 1394 1402
1403 1414 1421 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1568 1574 1577
1592 1595 1598 1601
1604 1610 1616 1617
1626 1629 1646 1649
1654 1655 1657 1662
1675 1680 1685 1700
1714 1717 1718 1719
1723 1726 1727 1730
1743 1746 1747 1756
1761 1778 1807 1810
1814 1816 1834 1846
1868 1880 1885 1887
1897 1902 1906 1918
1922 1941 1942 1977


That's with 320 teams registered. There's still plenty more to come. :)

Yeah but hopefully itll stay that way because that puts us (1279) in with our old friends team 25 and 375, both of which we wouldnt mind playing against ( or with ;) ) again

[Nawaid Ladak]

Look on the bright side. the triplets are together in the regestered list, but the dark side to this situation is the pending list

[DanDon]

With 323 teams registered:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 229 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 254 269 271
279 280 291 292
295 302 304 308
312 322 326 330
337 340 341 343
346 348 354 357
358 359 365 375
378 384 386 395
397 399 401 405
406 418 433 435
440 444 447 451
461 462 468 469
476 486 488 492
494 499 503 514
519 525 527 537
538 540 546 547
555 563 573 581
585 610 612 614
647 650 662 665
686 710 714 716
752 753 766 768
803 809 812 815
816 830 836 842
846 852 862 865
868 869 888 896
900 904 922 928
935 945 967 968
971 973 980 987
989 999 1002 1006
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1108 1114 1124
1126 1138 1155 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1261 1262 1266
1270 1272 1276 1279
1280 1281 1289 1302
1305 1306 1319 1323
1324 1350 1366 1367
1368 1379 1390 1394
1402 1403 1414 1421
1425 1448 1450 1452
1481 1482 1492 1502
1503 1506 1508 1511
1519 1523 1538 1539
1541 1547 1549 1560
1563 1567 1568 1574
1577 1592 1595 1598
1601 1604 1610 1616
1617 1625 1626 1629
1646 1649 1654 1655
1657 1662 1675 1680
1685 1700 1714 1717
1718 1719 1723 1726
1727 1730 1743 1746
1747 1756 1761 1778
1784 1807 1810 1814
1816 1834 1846 1868
1880 1885 1887 1897
1902 1906 1918 1922
1941 1942 1977


With 336 teams (323 registered and 13 pending):

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 103 108 111
118 120 121 122
125 126 128 133
135 138 148 151
155 159 166 168
173 174 175 176
177 179 180 184
190 191 192 195
201 203 204 207
211 217 223 224
226 228 229 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 254 269
271 279 280 291
292 294 295 296
302 304 306 308
312 322 326 330
337 340 341 343
346 348 354 357
358 359 365 375
378 383 384 386
395 397 399 401
405 406 418 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 468
469 476 481 486
488 492 494 499
503 514 519 525
527 537 538 540
546 547 555 563
573 581 585 610
612 614 647 650
662 665 686 710
714 716 752 753
766 768 772 803
809 812 815 816
830 836 842 846
852 862 865 868
869 888 896 900
904 922 926 928
935 945 967 968
971 973 980 987
989 999 1002 1006
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1108 1114 1124
1126 1138 1139 1155
1158 1184 1187 1188
1241 1250 1251 1261
1262 1266 1270 1272
1276 1279 1280 1281
1289 1302 1305 1306
1319 1323 1324 1350
1366 1367 1368 1379
1390 1394 1398 1402
1403 1414 1421 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1568 1574 1577
1592 1595 1598 1601
1604 1610 1616 1617
1625 1626 1629 1646
1649 1654 1655 1657
1662 1675 1680 1685
1700 1714 1717 1718
1719 1723 1726 1727
1730 1743 1745 1746
1747 1756 1761 1778
1784 1803 1807 1810
1814 1816 1834 1846
1868 1880 1885 1887
1897 1902 1906 1918
1922 1941 1942 1977

[pyroslev]

Four slots left officially.

(eight times since tuesday my divs have changed)

[Nawaid Ladak]

Hope that pending list isn't that bad.

You got 25,71 and 111 plus 987 in Newton
and two of the three triplets in Gallelao

yay, my division is gona be strong

GO BIG OR GO HOME

[themagic8ball]

I don't know if this is a fluke on the first website or not but the team list for the championship is no longer ordered by team number. It appears it is in some random order and if you try to sort by team number it won't let you.

[Zoheb N]

I don't know if this is a fluke on the first website or not but the team list for the championship is no longer ordered by team number. It appears it is in some random order and if you try to sort by team number it won't let you.

once in a while the first website does that but it will fix itself in a little bit

[Dylan]

When does FIRST release the official team division list?

[Pat Fairbank]

When does FIRST release the official team division list?
Last year it was released on the Monday of the week before the Championship. So I'm expecting it a week from this coming Monday, on April 17th.

[DanDon]

With 339 teams (323 registered and 16 pending):

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 103 108 111
118 120 121 122
125 126 128 133
135 138 148 151
155 159 166 168
173 174 175 176
177 179 180 184
190 191 192 195
201 203 204 207
211 217 222 223
224 226 228 229
231 233 234 236
237 245 247 254
269 271 279 280
291 292 294 295
296 302 304 306
308 312 322 326
330 337 340 341
343 346 348 354
357 358 359 365
375 378 383 384
386 395 397 399
401 405 406 418
433 435 440 444
447 451 461 462
468 469 476 481
486 488 492 494
499 503 514 519
522 525 527 537
538 540 546 547
555 563 573 581
585 610 612 614
647 650 662 665
686 710 714 716
744 752 753 766
768 772 803 809
812 815 816 830
836 842 846 852
862 865 868 869
888 896 900 904
922 926 928 935
945 967 968 971
973 980 987 989
999 1002 1006 1014
1023 1024 1033 1038
1057 1089 1102 1103
1108 1114 1124 1126
1138 1139 1155 1158
1184 1187 1188 1241
1250 1251 1261 1262
1266 1270 1272 1276
1279 1280 1281 1289
1302 1305 1306 1319
1323 1324 1350 1366
1367 1368 1379 1390
1394 1398 1402 1403
1414 1421 1425 1448
1450 1452 1481 1482
1492 1502 1503 1506
1508 1511 1519 1523
1538 1539 1541 1547
1549 1560 1563 1567
1568 1574 1577 1592
1595 1598 1601 1604
1610 1616 1617 1625
1626 1629 1646 1649
1654 1655 1657 1662
1675 1680 1685 1700
1714 1717 1718 1719
1723 1726 1727 1730
1743 1745 1746 1747
1756 1761 1778 1784
1803 1807 1810 1814
1816 1834 1846 1868
1880 1885 1887 1897
1902 1906 1918 1922
1941 1942 1977

[DanDon]

With 326 registered teams:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 223 224 226
228 229 231 233
234 236 237 245
247 254 269 271
279 280 291 292
295 302 304 308
312 322 326 330
337 340 341 343
346 348 354 357
358 359 365 375
378 384 386 395
397 399 401 405
406 418 433 435
440 444 447 451
461 462 468 469
476 486 488 492
494 499 503 514
519 525 527 537
538 540 546 547
555 563 573 581
585 610 612 614
647 650 662 665
686 710 714 716
744 752 753 766
768 772 803 809
812 815 816 830
836 842 846 852
862 865 868 869
888 896 900 904
922 928 935 945
967 968 971 973
980 987 989 999
1002 1006 1014 1023
1024 1033 1038 1057
1089 1102 1103 1108
1114 1124 1126 1138
1155 1158 1184 1187
1188 1241 1250 1251
1261 1262 1266 1270
1272 1276 1279 1280
1281 1289 1302 1305
1306 1319 1323 1324
1350 1366 1367 1368
1379 1390 1394 1402
1403 1414 1421 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1568 1574 1577
1592 1595 1598 1601
1604 1610 1616 1617
1625 1626 1629 1646
1649 1654 1655 1657
1662 1675 1680 1685
1700 1714 1717 1718
1719 1723 1726 1727
1730 1743 1746 1747
1756 1761 1778 1784
1807 1810 1814 1816
1834 1846 1868 1880
1885 1887 1897 1902
1906 1918 1922 1941
1942 1977

[Chris Fultz]

A little bird told me 383 was going to be there (Regional Chairmans at Boston).

[JJG13]

This should interest some peope...

I saw this thread (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46422) about offensive power ranking and decided to generate the rankings for each of the four divisions.

The four attached files contain the offensive rating of all the teams (sorted by team number and rank) and the average offensive rating for the corresponding four divisions. The offensive power ranking does not perfectly show the true strength of a team but it does give an indication.

Newton (not suprisingly) has the highest average rating but it also has the highest number of unrated teams. Galileo is the weakest division according to the average offensive rating.

[Chaychay]

As much as all this data is awesome, please use it with caution. If the data from the currently unrecorded regionals came through I think a lot would change.

I do appreciate everyone putting this data together! - but just keep in mind that a lot of teams do a lot better after their first regional (at least in our case)...and the biggest regional on the planet (GTA) is unrecorded.

$0.02 :rolleyes:

[Kris Verdeyen]

Interesting thing (stop me if you've heard this one) - if you go to last year's championship page on first's website:

http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/2005/chevents.htm

And click on the pages with the listings for the divisions, you'll see a list of teams, including some with numbers in the 1900's. I may be mistaken, but I think that new teams this year have numbers over 1750 or so, leading me to believe that, even if they are still in flux, the official FIRST division lists are up!

Of course, I could be wrong, it could be some weird internet fluke.

[Peter Matteson]

Interesting thing (stop me if you've heard this one) - if you go to last year's championship page on first's website:

http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/2005/chevents.htm

And click on the pages with the listings for the divisions, you'll see a list of teams, including some with numbers in the 1900's. I may be mistaken, but I think that new teams this year have numbers over 1750 or so, leading me to believe that, even if they are still in flux, the official FIRST division lists are up!

Of course, I could be wrong, it could be some weird internet fluke.

Well my team didn't go last year and is listed. Also it has this years dates!

[savage301]

Interesting thing (stop me if you've heard this one) - if you go to last year's championship page on first's website:

http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/2005/chevents.htm

And click on the pages with the listings for the divisions, you'll see a list of teams, including some with numbers in the 1900's. I may be mistaken, but I think that new teams this year have numbers over 1750 or so, leading me to believe that, even if they are still in flux, the official FIRST division lists are up!

Of course, I could be wrong, it could be some weird internet fluke.

You may have something here. My team last year 301 was in Curie. In the team list it is no longer there. This means that the lists have been updated. Still according to FIRST deadline sheet final payments are not due until April 14, so more team could still be added and the list is probably not finalized yet.

[George A.]

I definatly think that you have something there...because 11 was in Newton last year (which is the 2005 list) but that list has teams that weren't in our division yet...so I'm thinking those are the divisions...but like someone said before, we have to wait till registration closes until it's official...but good job on finding that!

[Travis Hoffman]

Well my team didn't go last year and is listed. Also it has this years dates!

Here are some quick spreadsheets. This "rumor" seems very plausible based upon what you see on the website, but you still can't count on it being 100% true. Great detective work, Kris! More to discuss!

[pyroslev]

My team is right where they should be on div list. THey might be testing the setup.

They might be messing with us. Who knows with them sometimes. :)

330 Registered and 10 pending.

340 teams

[Andy Baker]

Good work, Kris.

Divisional assignments look to be ABCD... yawn.

Oh, well. If FIRST did it a different way, some teams would email/call and complain like this:

(say this in a good witch voice, like Carol Kane in the Princess Bride)

"You did ABCD division selection the last 2 years, and this year it is DIFFERENT!! Why did you do that to us? aaaahhh! I'm melting!"

No... no one ever does that to the Team Support folks at FIRST!


Andy B.

[Pat McCarthy]

Wow, awesome find, if this list holds true, 67 will move from Newton, where we've been since divisions started, to Archimedes; which looks to be a very competitive division as well! Too bad Sir Charles will probably be on Newton if he returns. :p

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Oh man.. all the divisions look pretty even. Curie and Gal look to have a little more horsepower behind them though.

But another thing.. none of the triplets are together and 25 fills the 4th division. This should be interesting.

111 + 1114 ?
Deadly or just downright confusing?!

[Ricky Q.]

Oh man.. all the divisions look pretty even. Curie and Gal look to have a little more horsepower behind them though.

But another thing.. none of the triplets are together and 25 fills the 4th division. This should be interesting.

111 + 1114 ?
Deadly or just downright confusing?!

Definetley deadly. I've seen them both apart, together would just be something spectacular.

[Nawaid Ladak]

I found the REAL LIST!!!

go to last years championship page, click on one of the divisions team list, lool at the link for the sequence 2005, change it to 2006 and well....it's there, im saving the pages so first doesn't decide all of a sudden to take them off.

[Pat McCarthy]

I found the REAL LIST!!!

go to last years championship page, click on one of the divisions team list, lool at the link for the sequence 2005, change it to 2006 and well....it's there, im saving the pages so first doesn't decide all of a sudden to take them off.

Sorry to let you down, but it has already been found and posted eariler today.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=486237&postcount=173

[Mr.G]

I found the REAL LIST!!!

go to last years championship page, click on one of the divisions team list, lool at the link for the sequence 2005, change it to 2006 and well....it's there, im saving the pages so first doesn't decide all of a sudden to take them off.

You are 1 hour and 1 minute to late.

[Rich Kressly]

I found the REAL LIST!!!

go to last years championship page, click on one of the divisions team list, lool at the link for the sequence 2005, change it to 2006 and well....it's there, im saving the pages so first doesn't decide all of a sudden to take them off.

Be careful, there's a reason that FIRST hasn't posted publicly yet. This list will still change. I can guarantee there are a few very low numbers still in the pending area that can/will change things quite a bit.

[natis]

Here are the divisions with 330 teams registered

[Nawaid Ladak]

Be careful, there's a reason that FIRST hasn't posted publicly yet. This list will still change. I can guarantee there are a few very low numbers still in the pending area that can/will change things quite a bit.

I understand, i just noticed that 1902 has registered for the event, but yet, i don't see them in any division, that was a preempted statement i just made, please ignore my last statement.

Thank you

[Madison]

Sorry to let you down, but it has already been found and posted eariler today.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=486237&postcount=173


What he's saying is that, if you take the URL provided by the 'Team List' links on the 2005 Championship page -- say http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=CMP&year=2006&division=curie for example, and replace the 2005 variable with 2006, you'll see the 2006 division assignments.

They match what y'all found on the 2005 list, but they list the correct dates for the event as well.

Also, as Rich mentioned, as lower-numbered teams continue to register, the ABCD assignment scheme means that all of the teams after a given new registrant will shift one division.

[Eugenia Gabrielov]

Here are the divisions with 330 teams registered

You seem to be missing a big chunk of teams in the middle (about 133 to 280 is gone)

[Joel J]

Here are the divisions with the pending teams added in:
Arc Cur New Gal
1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 103 108 111
118 120 121 122
125 126 128 133
135 138 148 151
155 159 166 168
173 174 175 176
177 179 180 184
190 191 192 195
201 203 204 207
211 217 222 223
224 226 228 229
231 233 234 236
237 245 247 254
269 271 279 280
291 292 293 294
295 296 302 304
306 308 312 322
326 330 337 340
341 343 346 348
354 357 358 359
365 375 378 383
384 386 395 397
399 401 405 406
418 433 435 440
444 447 451 461
462 468 469 476
481 486 488 492
494 499 503 514
519 522 525 527
537 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 647 650 662
665 686 710 714
716 744 752 753
766 768 772 803
809 812 815 816
830 836 842 846
852 862 865 868
869 888 896 900
904 922 926 928
935 945 967 968
971 973 980 987
989 999 1002 1006
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1108 1114 1124
1126 1138 1139 1155
1158 1184 1187 1188
1241 1250 1251 1261
1262 1266 1270 1272
1276 1279 1280 1281
1289 1302 1305 1306
1319 1323 1324 1350
1366 1367 1368 1379
1390 1394 1398 1402
1403 1414 1421 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1568 1574 1577
1592 1595 1598 1601
1604 1610 1616 1617
1625 1626 1629 1646
1649 1654 1655 1657
1662 1675 1680 1685
1700 1714 1717 1718
1719 1723 1726 1727
1730 1743 1745 1746
1747 1756 1761 1778
1784 1803 1807 1810
1814 1816 1834 1846
1868 1880 1885 1887
1897 1902 1906 1918
1922 1941 1942 1977

Look at Galileo!

Interesting alliances, if this goes through:

1114+469!
254+968, lol.
25+111,

etc.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Here are the divisions with the pending teams added in:
Arc Cur New Gal
1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 103 108 111
118 120 121 122
125 126 128 133
135 138 148 151
155 159 166 168
173 174 175 176
177 179 180 184
190 191 192 195
201 203 204 207
211 217 222 223
224 226 228 229
231 233 234 236
237 245 247 254
269 271 279 280
291 292 293 294
295 296 302 304
306 308 312 322
326 330 337 340
341 343 346 348
354 357 358 359
365 375 378 383
384 386 395 397
399 401 405 406
418 433 435 440
444 447 451 461
462 468 469 476
481 486 488 492
494 499 503 514
519 522 525 527
537 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 647 650 662
665 686 710 714
716 744 752 753
766 768 772 803
809 812 815 816
830 836 842 846
852 862 865 868
869 888 896 900
904 922 926 928
935 945 967 968
971 973 980 987
989 999 1002 1006
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1108 1114 1124
1126 1138 1139 1155
1158 1184 1187 1188
1241 1250 1251 1261
1262 1266 1270 1272
1276 1279 1280 1281
1289 1302 1305 1306
1319 1323 1324 1350
1366 1367 1368 1379
1390 1394 1398 1402
1403 1414 1421 1425
1448 1450 1452 1481
1482 1492 1502 1503
1506 1508 1511 1519
1523 1538 1539 1541
1547 1549 1560 1563
1567 1568 1574 1577
1592 1595 1598 1601
1604 1610 1616 1617
1625 1626 1629 1646
1649 1654 1655 1657
1662 1675 1680 1685
1700 1714 1717 1718
1719 1723 1726 1727
1730 1743 1745 1746
1747 1756 1761 1778
1784 1803 1807 1810
1814 1816 1834 1846
1868 1880 1885 1887
1897 1902 1906 1918
1922 1941 1942 1977

Hrm.. look at Galileo.

Umm, look at Galileo.

Like, dude...

Interesting alliances, if this goes through:

1114+469!
254+968, lol.
25+111,

etc.

I'm liking this. I'm liking this alot.

If so, this puts my team in great 2nd round position!

[DanDon]

With 331 registered teams:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 222 223 224
226 228 229 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 254 269
271 279 280 291
292 293 294 295
296 302 304 306
308 312 322 326
330 337 340 341
343 346 348 354
357 358 359 365
375 378 384 386
395 397 399 401
405 406 418 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 468
469 476 486 488
492 494 499 503
514 519 525 527
537 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 647 650 662
665 686 710 714
716 744 752 753
766 768 772 803
809 812 815 816
830 836 842 846
852 862 865 868
869 888 896 900
904 922 928 935
945 967 968 971
973 980 987 989
999 1002 1006 1014
1023 1024 1033 1038
1057 1089 1102 1103
1108 1114 1124 1126
1138 1155 1158 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1261 1262 1266
1270 1272 1276 1279
1280 1281 1289 1302
1305 1306 1319 1323
1324 1350 1366 1367
1368 1379 1390 1394
1402 1403 1414 1421
1425 1448 1450 1452
1481 1482 1492 1502
1503 1506 1508 1511
1519 1523 1538 1539
1541 1547 1549 1560
1563 1567 1568 1574
1577 1592 1595 1598
1601 1604 1610 1616
1617 1625 1626 1629
1646 1649 1654 1655
1657 1662 1675 1680
1685 1700 1714 1717
1718 1719 1723 1726
1727 1730 1743 1746
1747 1756 1761 1778
1784 1807 1810 1814
1816 1834 1846 1868
1880 1885 1887 1897
1902 1906 1918 1922
1941 1942 1977

[dez250]

Like Rich said, much of this will still change, looking at the lists on the FIRST site now are as good as looking at the lists people have posted here. Expect the Actual Division lists to be finalized and Publicly released in about a week.

[Aren_Hill]

does anybody know when the actual final they'll never change anymore divisions come out? i would really like to know

[Eugenia Gabrielov]

does anybody know when the actual final they'll never change anymore divisions come out? i would really like to know

That's a good question - here's what I think happens...
Last year when I pitscouted, there were some teams that did seem out of place. it seems they let them in somehow, but they get put wherever there's room. That's the way it appeared at least.

[Laura 1547]

does anybody know when the actual final they'll never change anymore divisions come out? i would really like to know

I think they come out on monday

[Joel J]

Automation..

1. Open up FIRST's list of championship attendees.
2. Ctrl+a (select all)
3. Ctrl+c (copy)
4. open up http://www.joelster.com/divs.php
5. Ctrl+v (paste) into the text box.

I just whipped it up (and made it look pretty), so I could mess around with a few options. If you ctrl+end while the cursor is in the text box, you can delete some (or all) of the pending teams manually, to see how their presence (or non-presence) affects the divisions.

Its just for fun.. FIRST could end up not bothering with the 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 , which is what the script assumes is the order of Division drafts.

[StephLee]

Automation..

1. Open up FIRST's list of championship attendees.
2. Ctrl+a (select all)
3. Ctrl+c (copy)
4. open up http://www.joelster.com/divs.php
5. Ctrl+v (paste) into the text box.

I just whipped it up (and made it look pretty), so I could mess around with a few options. If you ctrl+end while the cursor is in the text box, you can delete some (or all) of the pending teams manually, to see how their presence (or non-presence) affects the divisions.

Its just for fun.. FIRST could end up not bothering with the 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 , which is what the script assumes is the order of Division drafts.

This is pretty sweet...what do the colors and bolds mean? It gave me red, green, and black bolds for different numbers.

[Dan Richardson]

Yeah the numbers are confusing me as well, without actually checking through all the regionals it looks like teams that were in finals or won regionals, or multiple regionals...

not sure tho.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Yeah the numbers are confusing me as well, without actually checking through all the regionals it looks like teams that were in finals or won regionals, or multiple regionals...

not sure tho.
I think thats just Joel's own "picks", seeing as 1114 is red and 1503 is green.

[Joel J]

yea, bolded is worth mentioning.. green is good.. red is spectacular.. IMO.

I designed the thing for myself, but then decided to post it.

I'm going to add in another box preloaded with my default picks, that you can change, to adjust the "power" of the divisions. eh..

[Dan Richardson]

yea, bolded is worth mentioning.. green is good.. red is spectacular.. IMO.

I designed the thing for myself, but then decided to post it.

I'm going to add in another box preloaded with my default picks, that you can change, to adjust the "power" of the divisions. eh..

Hehe nono its all good, I was just curious as to what it meant.

[Greg Needel]

yea, bolded is worth mentioning.. green is good.. red is spectacular.. IMO.

I designed the thing for myself, but then decided to post it.

I'm going to add in another box preloaded with my default picks, that you can change, to adjust the "power" of the divisions. eh..


hmmmm....sounds like a big part of the Fantasy FIRST system

[vic burg]

It could be extremely random to where they start out with the highest numbers and divide them by say, 7 5 and 2 and then as soon as they get 13 in each division, they switch it up to different numbers divisible or even the sum of the teams number divisible by 4 and 3 and then all the left overs are put into one division. That would be really extreme. I actually did just try to do that but, my computer shut down on me when I was half way through. lol.
Things would definately be mixed up if they did it like that. lol.

[Tim Delles]

Just for anyone that cares, Joel's page has been updated to highlight the Chairmans award winners now.

[DanDon]

With 333 registered teams:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 222 223 224
226 228 229 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 254 269
271 279 280 291
292 293 294 295
296 302 304 306
308 312 322 326
330 337 340 341
343 346 348 354
357 358 359 365
375 378 384 386
395 397 399 401
405 406 418 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 468
469 476 486 488
492 494 499 503
514 519 525 527
537 538 540 546
547 555 563 573
581 585 610 612
614 647 650 662
665 686 710 714
716 744 752 753
766 768 772 803
809 812 815 816
830 836 842 846
852 862 865 868
869 888 896 900
904 922 928 935
945 967 968 971
973 980 987 989
999 1002 1006 1014
1023 1024 1033 1038
1057 1089 1102 1103
1108 1114 1124 1126
1138 1155 1158 1184
1187 1188 1241 1250
1251 1261 1262 1266
1270 1272 1276 1279
1280 1281 1289 1302
1305 1306 1319 1323
1324 1350 1366 1367
1368 1379 1390 1394
1402 1403 1414 1421
1425 1448 1450 1452
1481 1482 1492 1502
1503 1506 1508 1511
1519 1523 1538 1539
1541 1547 1549 1560
1563 1567 1568 1574
1577 1592 1595 1598
1601 1604 1610 1616
1617 1625 1626 1629
1646 1649 1654 1655
1657 1662 1675 1680
1685 1700 1714 1717
1718 1719 1723 1726
1727 1730 1743 1745
1746 1747 1756 1761
1778 1784 1803 1807
1810 1814 1816 1834
1846 1868 1880 1885
1887 1897 1902 1906
1918 1922 1941 1942
1977

[DanDon]

With 334 registered teams:

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 222 223 224
226 228 229 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 254 269
271 279 280 291
292 293 294 295
296 302 304 306
308 312 322 326
330 337 340 341
343 346 348 354
357 358 359 365
375 378 384 386
395 397 399 401
405 406 418 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 468
469 476 481 486
488 492 494 499
503 514 519 525
527 537 538 540
546 547 555 563
573 581 585 610
612 614 647 650
662 665 686 710
714 716 744 752
753 766 768 772
803 809 812 815
816 830 836 842
846 852 862 865
868 869 888 896
900 904 922 928
935 945 967 968
971 973 980 987
989 999 1002 1006
1014 1023 1024 1033
1038 1057 1089 1102
1103 1108 1114 1124
1126 1138 1155 1158
1184 1187 1188 1241
1250 1251 1261 1262
1266 1270 1272 1276
1279 1280 1281 1289
1302 1305 1306 1319
1323 1324 1350 1366
1367 1368 1379 1390
1394 1402 1403 1414
1421 1425 1448 1450
1452 1481 1482 1492
1502 1503 1506 1508
1511 1519 1523 1538
1539 1541 1547 1549
1560 1563 1567 1568
1574 1577 1592 1595
1598 1601 1604 1610
1616 1617 1625 1626
1629 1646 1649 1654
1655 1657 1662 1675
1680 1685 1700 1714
1717 1718 1719 1723
1726 1727 1730 1743
1745 1746 1747 1756
1761 1778 1784 1803
1807 1810 1814 1816
1834 1846 1868 1880
1885 1887 1897 1902
1906 1918 1922 1941
1942 1977

[Kellen Hill]

Newton is pretty loaded with 111, 1114, 254, 70, and 494 just to name a few. A pretty tough alliance would come out of that pool.

[Jon Jack]

254 and 968!! Oh my!

[DanDon]

Hey Kellen, forgetting your bot? ;)

[pyroslev]

Six more teams are going into the gaps on those lists. With the changes those bring in the list, the divisions (by this system), look a bit different.

But as is...

Newton will be the (Poster-boy) powerhouse.
A few other combos stick out at me (good possibilities for divisional seeds)

We'll know in a few days :)

[DanDon]

With 335 registered teams: (we're getting there)

1 4 9 11
16 20 22 25
27 33 38 40
45 47 48 49
59 60 65 66
67 69 70 71
74 75 79 85
86 87 88 93
100 108 111 118
120 121 122 125
126 128 133 135
138 148 151 155
159 166 168 173
174 175 176 177
179 180 184 190
191 192 195 201
203 204 207 211
217 222 223 224
226 228 229 231
233 234 236 237
245 247 254 269
271 279 280 291
292 293 294 295
296 302 304 306
308 312 322 326
330 337 340 341
343 346 348 354
357 358 359 365
375 378 384 386
395 397 399 401
405 406 418 433
435 440 444 447
451 461 462 468
469 476 481 486
488 492 494 499
503 514 519 522
525 527 537 538
540 546 547 555
563 573 581 585
610 612 614 647
650 662 665 686
710 714 716 744
752 753 766 768
772 803 809 812
815 816 830 836
842 846 852 862
865 868 869 888
896 900 904 922
928 935 945 967
968 971 973 980
987 989 999 1002
1006 1014 1023 1024
1033 1038 1057 1089
1102 1103 1108 1114
1124 1126 1138 1155
1158 1184 1187 1188
1241 1250 1251 1261
1262 1266 1270 1272
1276 1279 1280 1281
1289 1302 1305 1306
1319 1323 1324 1350
1366 1367 1368 1379
1390 1394 1402 1403
1414 1421 1425 1448
1450 1452 1481 1482
1492 1502 1503 1506
1508 1511 1519 1523
1538 1539 1541 1547
1549 1560 1563 1567
1568 1574 1577 1592
1595 1598 1601 1604
1610 1616 1617 1625
1626 1629 1646 1649
1654 1655 1657 1662
1675 1680 1685 1700
1714 1717 1718 1719
1723 1726 1727 1730
1743 1745 1746 1747
1756 1761 1778 1784
1803 1807 1810 1814
1816 1834 1846 1868
1880 1885 1887 1897
1902 1906 1918 1922
1941 1942 1977

[Peter Matteson]

You realize when 103's registration goes through it will really throw the list off right?

[DanDon]

You realize when 103's registration goes through it will really throw the list off right?

Yea, but didn't they pay a while ago? I wonder why it didn't go through yet.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

You realize when 103's registration goes through it will really throw the list off right?
It should only affect 33 teams. All teams above them wil be shifted to the right one.

[Joel J]

I'll make a bet that all pending teams will end up at the nationals. If I were to win the bet, then Galileo would end up as the powerhouse division.

[Tim Delles]

I'll make a bet that all pending teams will end up at the nationals. If I were to win the bet, then Galileo would end up as the powerhouse division.

Id have to agree with you on that joel

[StephLee]

It should only affect 33 teams. All teams above them wil be shifted to the right one.

Shouldn't it shift the teams BELOW them?

[Tim Delles]

Yes but they all shift together. All the ones below them stay together while the ones above them stay together. so it really only affects one of the groups.

[JamesBrown]

if 1139 or 1398 register 1114 and 1503 are together. If bothe register then 1114 and 1680 are together.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Shouldn't it shift the teams BELOW them?
I meant above in the terms of team numbers.

1234 > 123, so 1234 is above 123.

[The Lucas]

You realize when 103's registration goes through it will really throw the list off right?
Last I talked to them (at philly) they were still thinking about it. They have the money if they want to go (as a HOF member and week 1 regional they qualified long ago) but they may be satisfied with 3 regionals and saving the money. I hope they come :)

[StephLee]

I meant above in the terms of team numbers.

1234 > 123, so 1234 is above 123.

Ah, I got it now. Thanks for the clarification.

[Bill Enslen]

You realize when 103's registration goes through it will really throw the list off right?

A really good source (a certain senior mentor who shall remain unnamed) told me that he's 99% sure that 103 WILL be going to the Championship Event.

[Travis Hoffman]

A little birdie in New England indicated over the phone that the 2006 divisions have already been finalized, and they are already generating practice lists for Thursday, among other things.

I hope this supports the divisions indicated in the 2005 list discovered by Kris earlier in this thread....

[Bill Moore]

A little birdie in New England indicated over the phone that the 2006 divisions have already been finalized, and they are already generating practice lists for Thursday, among other things.

I hope this supports the divisions indicated in the 2005 list discovered by Kris earlier in this thread....
It was pointed out to me that the division lists mentioned only account for 306 teams, so those lists should change in some manner before the event.

[Travis Hoffman]

It was pointed out to me that the division lists mentioned only account for 306 teams, so those lists should change in some manner before the event.

If they've locked down the divisions already, I imagine any additional teams would be appended to the end of the divisions they are placed in, as teams already in the divisions are etched in stone. The question is, when did FIRST make the cutoff?

[Freddy Schurr]

Which division do you will have the best matches or robots? Which division will be challenging?

Post your responses

[vic burg]

Yea, but didn't they pay a while ago? I wonder why it didn't go through yet.


On the FIRST website, they are still on the iffy list. I really do not think that the teams are finalized until say, monday before competition. At least, thats what I've heard around, so I could be wrong.

[Corey Balint]

Anyone else notice that 383 is now off the teams list.

[Tim Delles]

That just happened. When i checked about 15 minutes ago they were still on there.

[Ted Boucher]

http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=CMP

The offical divisions have now been posted, good luck teams!

GALI - LEO!

[Alex Cormier]

already, we shall battle!

NEW-TON!!

[Ted Boucher]

Since the page on usfirst.org does not want to load for many people... here it is

Team # Division
1 Galileo
4 Archimedes
9 Curie
11 Newton
16 Galileo
20 Archimedes
22 Curie
25 Newton
27 Galileo
33 Archimedes
38 Curie
40 Newton
45 Galileo
47 Archimedes
48 Curie
49 Newton
59 Galileo
60 Archimedes
65 Curie
66 Newton
67 Galileo
69 Archimedes
70 Curie
71 Newton
74 Galileo
75 Archimedes
79 Curie
85 Newton
86 Galileo
87 Archimedes
88 Curie
93 Newton
100 Galileo
108 Curie
111 Newton
118 Galileo
120 Archimedes
121 Curie
122 Newton
125 Galileo
126 Archimedes
128 Curie
133 Newton
135 Galileo
138 Archimedes
148 Curie
151 Newton
155 Galileo
159 Archimedes
166 Curie
168 Newton
173 Galileo
174 Archimedes
175 Curie
176 Newton
177 Galileo
179 Archimedes
180 Curie
184 Newton
190 Galileo
191 Archimedes
192 Curie
195 Newton
201 Galileo
203 Archimedes
204 Curie
207 Newton
211 Galileo
217 Archimedes
222 Curie
223 Newton
224 Galileo
226 Archimedes
228 Curie
229 Newton
231 Galileo
233 Archimedes
234 Curie
236 Newton
237 Galileo
245 Archimedes
247 Curie
254 Newton
269 Galileo
271 Archimedes
279 Curie
280 Newton
291 Galileo
292 Archimedes
293 Curie
294 Newton
295 Galileo
296 Archimedes
302 Curie
304 Newton
306 Galileo
308 Archimedes
312 Curie
322 Newton
326 Galileo
330 Archimedes
337 Curie
340 Newton
341 Galileo
343 Archimedes
346 Curie
348 Newton
354 Galileo
357 Archimedes
358 Curie
359 Newton
365 Galileo
375 Archimedes
378 Curie
379 Newton
384 Galileo
386 Archimedes
395 Curie
397 Newton
399 Galileo
401 Archimedes
405 Curie
406 Newton
418 Galileo
433 Archimedes
435 Curie
440 Newton
444 Galileo
447 Archimedes
451 Curie
461 Newton
462 Galileo
468 Archimedes
469 Curie
476 Newton
481 Galileo
486 Archimedes
488 Curie
492 Newton
494 Galileo
499 Archimedes
503 Curie
514 Newton
519 Galileo
522 Archimedes
525 Curie
527 Newton
537 Galileo
538 Archimedes
540 Curie
546 Newton
547 Galileo
555 Archimedes
563 Curie
573 Newton
581 Galileo
585 Archimedes
610 Curie
612 Newton
614 Galileo
647 Archimedes
650 Curie
662 Newton
665 Galileo
686 Archimedes
710 Curie
714 Newton
716 Galileo
744 Archimedes
752 Curie
753 Newton
766 Galileo
768 Archimedes
772 Curie
803 Newton
809 Galileo
812 Archimedes
815 Curie
816 Newton
830 Galileo
836 Archimedes
842 Curie
846 Newton
852 Galileo
862 Archimedes
865 Curie
868 Newton
869 Galileo
888 Archimedes
896 Curie
900 Newton
904 Galileo
922 Archimedes
928 Newton
935 Galileo
945 Archimedes
967 Curie
968 Newton
971 Galileo
973 Archimedes
980 Curie
987 Newton
989 Galileo
999 Archimedes
1002 Curie
1006 Newton
1014 Galileo
1023 Archimedes
1024 Curie
1033 Newton
1038 Galileo
1057 Archimedes
1089 Curie
1102 Newton
1103 Galileo
1108 Archimedes
1114 Curie
1124 Newton
1126 Galileo
1138 Archimedes
1155 Newton
1158 Galileo
1184 Archimedes
1187 Curie
1188 Newton
1241 Galileo
1250 Archimedes
1251 Curie
1261 Newton
1262 Galileo
1266 Archimedes
1270 Curie
1272 Newton
1276 Galileo
1279 Archimedes
1280 Curie
1281 Newton
1289 Galileo
1302 Archimedes
1305 Curie
1306 Newton
1319 Galileo
1323 Archimedes
1324 Curie
1350 Newton
1366 Galileo
1367 Archimedes
1368 Curie
1379 Newton
1390 Galileo
1394 Archimedes
1402 Newton
1403 Galileo
1414 Archimedes
1421 Curie
1425 Newton
1448 Galileo
1450 Archimedes
1452 Curie
1481 Newton
1482 Galileo
1492 Archimedes
1502 Curie
1503 Newton
1506 Galileo
1508 Archimedes
1511 Curie
1519 Newton
1523 Galileo
1538 Archimedes
1539 Curie
1541 Newton
1547 Galileo
1549 Archimedes
1560 Curie
1563 Newton
1567 Galileo
1568 Archimedes
1574 Curie
1577 Newton
1592 Galileo
1595 Archimedes
1598 Curie
1601 Newton
1604 Galileo
1610 Archimedes
1616 Curie
1617 Newton
1625 Galileo
1626 Archimedes
1629 Curie
1646 Newton
1649 Galileo
1654 Archimedes
1655 Curie
1657 Newton
1662 Galileo
1675 Archimedes
1680 Curie
1685 Newton
1700 Galileo
1714 Archimedes
1717 Curie
1718 Newton
1719 Galileo
1723 Archimedes
1726 Curie
1727 Newton
1730 Galileo
1743 Archimedes
1745 Curie
1746 Newton
1747 Galileo
1756 Archimedes
1761 Curie
1778 Newton
1784 Galileo
1803 Archimedes
1807 Curie
1810 Newton
1814 Galileo
1816 Archimedes
1834 Curie
1846 Newton
1868 Galileo
1880 Archimedes
1885 Curie
1887 Newton
1897 Galileo
1902 Archimedes
1906 Curie
1918 Newton
1922 Galileo
1941 Archimedes
1942 Curie
1977 Newton

*edit* I cleaned up the list, I hope I did not accidently delete any teams from it, if so then sorry but I was working fast.

[Bill Moore]

http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=CMP

The offical divisions have now been posted, good luck teams!

GALI - LEO!
That's right, post the link, so everybody rushing to get the divisions helps to crash the server! :D

[Tom Bottiglieri]

That's right, post the link, so everybody rushing to get the divisions helps to crash the server! :D
Yup..

I sure can't get to it!

[pyroslev]

I'm the only one at work.

I hade four computers, using Firefox and Explorer trying to get one page and it took me 10 minutes.

But it was worth! Archimedes.

There is one team at the bottom of the list that is marked pending, bringing our total to 85.

[Joel J]

I can't load the page up. Is the order 1,2,3,4?

[Nawaid Ladak]

THESE ARE NOT FINAL, THERE ARE STILL 4 TEAMS PENDING, SO HOLD OFF THE DIVISION CHEERING

BUT IF THERE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE 336 TEAMS

GO NEWTON

[Alex Cormier]

wow, newton is lookgin crazy.

25,66,71,85,111,176,195,254,322,340,379,968,1006,1 124,1503

[Kristian Calhoun]

Yup..

I sure can't get to it!
it wouldn't load for me in Firefox, but it did in IE. :confused:
wow, newton is looking crazy.
25,66,71,85,111,176,195,254,322,340,379,968,1006,1 124,1503
i would add 11 and 987 to that list too.

[pyroslev]

wow, newton is lookgin crazy.

25,66,71,85,111,176,195,254,322,340,379,968,1006,1 124,1503

That is what many many people said about Archimedes last year. (Just for reference.)

[Joel J]

Is it 1,2,3,4?!??!?!

[Nawaid Ladak]

Hey alex aren't you forgetting your own team in that catogory

[Chris Sturrock]

I've been waiting for this :)
after looking at the lists, i think there is a good chance of another world champ coming from newton this year.


LETS GO NEWTON!!!

[Greg Needel]

i think there is a good chance of another world champ coming from newton this year.




yup...a 25% chance

[Raul]

Is it 1,2,3,4?!??!?!
Yes, but notice that they left a spot in Archie for 103.

[Ted Boucher]

Is it 1,2,3,4?!??!?!

Yes, the list is posted here http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=487747&postcount=235

[Billfred]

Yes, but notice that they left a spot in Archie for 103.
Also appears they left a gap in Curie for 1398 (or some team between 1395 and 1401)...

1368 Curie
1379 Newton
1390 Galileo
1394 Archimedes
1402 Newton
1403 Galileo
1414 Archimedes
1421 Curie