Top five, FLR edition

[Jay Trzaskos]

With week two regionals comes FLR. So from what you have seen, heard, or read, what are your top five picks for the Finger Lakes Regional?

JT

[Tim Delles]

Top 5 teams:

1. 188
2. 1559
3. 1126
4. 639
5. 1507

Top 8 qualifiers

1. 1507
2. 188
3. 229
4. 639
5. 1126
6. 271
7. 340
8. 1511

[Koko Ed]

Haven't a clue.
Everybody seems to be hiding their robots. :rolleyes:
Get back to me on Thursday.
Friday for sure.

[Dylan Gramlich]

1. 365
2. 340
3. 1559
4. 229
5. 1126

(sry had to put my team in there)

[Cory]

Top 5 teams:

1. 188
2. 1559
3. 1126
4. 639
5. 1507

Top 8 qualifiers

1. 1507
2. 188
3. 229
4. 639
5. 1126
6. 271
7. 340
8. 1511

188 is going to be in LA in week 2.

[Dylan Gramlich]

188 is going to be in LA in week 2.

this was for last year but i figured i would start it up again. sry i should have mentioned that.

[Cory]

this was for last year but i figured i would start it up again. sry i should have mentioned that.

Oops. I didnt even notice the date was from 2006

[Koko Ed]

Need more input for a proper answer.

[Josh Goodman]

1: 1559
2: 73
3: 424
4: 1713
5: 1126

[Justin Montois]

Obvious bias aside...
1.1126
2.365
3.1559
4.191
5. 229

[kevin.li.rit]

596 will rock your socks off.

[(Click_Here)]

It's really hard to determine untill you see the robots in competition.

[Koko Ed]

596 will rock your socks off.

596 isn't at FLR.

[Alex Cormier]

365
1559
73
340
1713



;) notice a special team not on the list?:p

[rees2001]

365
1559
73
340
1713



;) notice a special team not on the list?:p



?????
no sparx?

[The Lucas]

365
1559
73
340
1713



;) notice a special team not on the list?:p

Shouldn't that be special teams :confused:

No Sparx, :ahh:
No Clarkson :eek:

[Alex Cormier]

Shouldn't that be special teams :confused:

No Sparx, :ahh:
No Clarkson :eek:

sadly, yes.

[Dylan Gramlich]

what no love for ur alumni teams? and u have even seen our bot.

[Alex Cormier]

what no love for ur alumni teams? and u have even seen our bot.

I don't like to spread the ego over the internet and place my alumus teams like that.;) :p

[Dylan Gramlich]

true true...valide point

[Jay Trzaskos]

Give me a little time to look over the FLR bots, and then I'll give you a list.

[Jeremytice]

340
1126
211
229
73

[Tim Delles]

365
1507
1126
639
1405

[Tim Delles]

It's really hard to determine untill you see the robots in competition.

Its not that diffucult once you have seen a design (as long as you completely understand how the game will unfold)

Also if you have been in FIRST long enough, you know what teams specialize in what, and from that you can make a really good assumption of who the strongest teams are at each regional.

[BRAVESaj25bd8]

Wow, no love for the second seeded team last year, 191.

My top 5 goes like this...
1. 191- they're now pretty consistent with amazing robots
2. 365- MOE is always an awesome competitor at any competition
3. 1126- Sparx proved last year that they make INCREDIBLE bots
4. 229- Clarkson excelled 2 years ago in a game very similar to this one
5. 84- Chuck had a solid drivetrain last year and I'd look for an even better one this year

I know I basically just picked the obvious teams who have done very well recently, but they are all known for building solid robots and doing very well as long as they don't get extremely terrible luck.

[Koko Ed]

Wow, no love for the second seeded team last year, 191.

My top 5 goes like this...
1. 191- they're now pretty consistent with amazing robots
2. 365- MOE is always a competitor at any competition
3. 1126- Sparx proved last year that they make INCREDIBLE bots
4. 229- Clarkson excelled 2 years ago in a game very similar to this one
5. 84- Chuck had a solid drivetrain last year and I'd look for an even better one this year

I know I basically just picked the obvious teams who have done very well recently, but they are all known for building solid robots and doing very well as long as they don't get extremely terrible luck.

and initial FLR winner.
But we like being under the radar.
Ignore us. We're not really there....;)

[Justin Montois]

and initial FLR winner.
But we like being under the radar.
Ignore us. We're not really there....;)

X-who?;)

[Koko Ed]

X-who?;)

X-WhAAAt!!!

[rees2001]

X-WhAAAt!!!

X-Where?

[Josh Goodman]

X-When.....you knew it was coming....

[Dylan Gramlich]

X-how........sry that just doesnt make sense...but i had to complete it.

[Alex Cormier]

X X champs?

[Joel J]

73
174
424
1126 (but what do they look like/do?)
1559

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(1713)

[Alex Cormier]

1126 (but what do they look like/do?)


sounds very familiar to many other's thoughts.

It is very amusing to know what the bot is like and such and not being able to tell anything but see everyone wanting to know!

[Dylan Gramlich]

dont worry u will all find out soon enough! and if u have time i encourage u to come and check out the bot in our pit and if i have time i will give u a lil tour!

[Jeremytice]

Haha yea I will be around the pits too if you have any questions about our bot this year.

[esquared]

sounds very familiar to many other's thoughts.

It is very amusing to know what the bot is like and such and not being able to tell anything but see everyone wanting to know!

Yes, the excitement is definitely building.
I am very excited to see it.

[jagman2882]

sounds very familiar to many other's thoughts.

It is very amusing to know what the bot is like and such and not being able to tell anything but see everyone wanting to know!

we arent trying to hide anything we just like to suprise.....it is quite funny that everyone only seems to be interested in our unposted robot....at least i think that it is rather humerous...but u guys know what the transmissions look like haha!!!

[Dylan Gramlich]

we arent trying to hide anything we just like to suprise.....it is quite funny that everyone only seems to be interested in our unposted robot....at least i think that it is rather humerous...but u guys know what the transmissions look like haha!!!

dont worry cory me and cormier find that amusing as well!

[Jay Trzaskos]

alright, from what I have seen, my list goes as follows.

73
174
316
424
772


1559 and 1713 are the best raamp bots in my opinion

[Tetraman]

alright, from what I have seen, my list goes as follows.

73
174
316
424
772


1559 and 1713 are the best raamp bots in my opinion

This guy does his research. haha

Last I went to see 174 their robot is great, but I am really scared about the tire-stops on their ramps. I don't know if any other robots are going to get over it.

[jagman2882]

1. 340
2. 1559
3. 424
4. 365
5. 1126 just cause...call me a homer if u want

[Jay Trzaskos]

Cory, I'll throw 1126 in the loop after I see them, but I'm sure they are somewhere towards the top 20 on my list ;)

[macsrbetter36]

639 is going to rock it there. We have new stuff that will make us unbeatable.

[Koko Ed]

639 is going to rock it there. We have new stuff that will make us unbeatable.

Unbeattable you say?
So you can take on three good robots all by yourself, san partners and win easily?
That is impressive.


Kid, I hate to break it to you but no team in FIRST has yet to build an unbeatable robot.
Not 71. Not 254. Not 233. 1114. 67. 217 or many many other great teams in FIRST. You need good drivers and strategy as well and you do need good partners as well who work well with your robot. This robot reminds me alot of their 2005 bot which was a top notch piece of machinary but it wasn't unbeatable.
You can't get such a bot in six weeks of building and I seriously doubt you could get one if you built it for years.
There's always a flaw.

[Tim Delles]

Unbeattable you say?
So you can take on three good robots all by yourself, san partners and win easily?
That is impressive.


Kid, I hate to break it to you but no team in FIRST has yet to build an unbeatable robot.
Not 71. Not 254. Not 233. 1114. 67. 217 or many many other great teams in FIRST. You need good drivers and strategy as well and you do need good partners as well who work well with your robot. This robot reminds me alot of their 2005 bot which was a top notch piece of machinary but it wasn't unbeatable.
You can't get such a bot in six weeks of building and I seriously doubt you could get one if you built it for years.
There's always a flaw.


Ed I'll second you on that note.

[The Lucas]

Unbeattable you say?
You can't get such a bot in six weeks of building and I seriously doubt you could get one if you built it for years.
There's always a flaw.

Plus you have a weight limit, size limit and underpowered motors. The closest I think we will ever see in the Alliance era was Beatty '02 (probably CD '98 before that (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39188)). It scored all 3 goals almost all the time and it was mathematically impossible to beat them if they did. Even they got Fluffied (180) in the finals. There always is a robot, group of robots, or strategy that is your perfect foil.

We will never see an unbeatable bot. The rules and ever-expanding level of competition are stacked against it.

[Joel J]

The closest I would say was 25 in 2006. I don't know if they had an unbeatable robot, but they sure went a long time (2 regionals + a while at nats) before their first loss.

[cool breeze]

Would anyone like to list thier top 5 now that the regional has come and gone.

I will offer my .02 after the fact, I think the SparkX, Moe, 424 and any other team that consistently scored during autonomous mode were ROBBED, they deserved more than 2 pts and probably would have advanced MUCH further in the competition if the pts were higher. Some other good teams showed what they were made of as well. All in all it was a very exciting competition that all teams should feel proud of. Way to go 1511 for the chairmans Award, 2228 for an outstanding showing all the other teams that made this AWESOME!

[Koko Ed]

I thinl it's safe to say no one would have expected alliance 3 to win the whole shebang.
Only 1713 earned remotely any compliments from anyone in the thread beforehand. Which shows you how absolutely useless these kind of threads really are.

[Josh Goodman]

1: 1559
2: 73
3: 424
4: 1713
5: 1126

I think my choices did quite well.

[kevin.li.rit]

I think my choices did quite well.

Didn't 73 and 1126 get knocked out by the 7th seed?

[Tetraman]

Didn't 73 and 1126 get knocked out by the 7th seed?

Yea. And first seed was taken out by 8th seed. Very much an overpowering by the underdogs. No one expected it all.

[Josh Goodman]

Eh, they still did well.

[Caseavong]

Yea. And first seed was taken out by 8th seed. Very much an overpowering by the underdogs. No one expected it all.

That is very true the underdogs did seem to take an upperhand.

[triggerhappy336]

Yea. And first seed was taken out by 8th seed. Very much an overpowering by the underdogs. No one expected it all.

I think it would've been an interesting 3rd round had our lift worked. Kudos to the 8th seed though. We just couldn't over-score that 2 bot lift.

[jagman2882]

I thinl it's safe to say no one would have expected alliance 3 to win the whole shebang.
Only 1713 earned remotely any compliments from anyone in the thread beforehand. Which shows you how absolutely useless these kind of threads really are.

listen to this man, he knows what hes talking about!

[Alex Cormier]

I thinl it's safe to say no one would have expected alliance 3 to win the whole shebang.
Only 1713 earned remotely any compliments from anyone in the thread beforehand. Which shows you how absolutely useless these kind of threads really are.

Who also called 340 and 1713 to be up there?

and i also do agree these thread are crap and useless untill we see what is goign on atleast on practice days...

[macsrbetter36]

Yea. And first seed was taken out by 8th seed. Very much an overpowering by the underdogs. No one expected it all.

The 8th seed took out the 1st and the 7th seed took out the 2nd seed. All 6 teams on the top seeded alliances were fantastic robots. However, as a team, they did not work together well because they all specialized in the same thing.

(Not to blow our own horn or anything) the reason that alliance 5 (639, 229, 1559) did as well as we did was because we worked well together. We had a bot that was good at scoring, we had a good defense bot, and we had a bot that could lift a robot 12" off the ground every time.

The moral of this story: pick teams based on their abilities, not on their ranking.

[GRaduns340]

The 8th seed took out the 1st and the 7th seed took out the 2nd seed. All 6 teams on the top seeded alliances were fantastic robots. However, as a team, they did not work together well because they all specialized in the same thing.

(Not to blow our own horn or anything) the reason that alliance 5 (639, 229, 1559) did as well as we did was because we worked well together. We had a bot that was good at scoring, we had a good defense bot, and we had a bot that could lift a robot 12" off the ground every time.

The moral of this story: pick teams based on their abilities, not on their ranking.

I disagree with the second seed statement. I think 316, 1126, and 73 was a great alliance that should have gone much farther than they did. I think that alliance was very well selected, just got unlucky in the eliminations. I thoroughly expected that alliance to make it to the finals.

[neilsonster]

I disagree with the second seed statement. I think 316, 1126, and 73 was a great alliance that should have gone much farther than they did. I think that alliance was very well selected, just got unlucky in the eliminations. I thoroughly expected that alliance to make it to the finals.

The 2nd allliance was indeed very well-rounded. I don't think they just got unlucky though. All they had to do to beat us was get on 316's platforms earlier (or at least be ready to be lifted in the last 15 seconds). By spending more time on the field they also drew penalties. I believe only two of the three robots on our alliance could reliably climb ramps, and one of the two (772) was the only robot on the alliance who could deploy two ramps, so we couldn't ever get more than 30 points.

I suppose this is all easier said than done, but you can't just lay it all on luck. You could say the same about any alliance who suffers an upset, but there's always a reason it happens.

[The Lucas]

The 2nd allliance was indeed very well-rounded. I don't think they just got unlucky though. All they had to do to beat us was get on 316's platforms earlier (or at least be ready to be lifted in the last 15 seconds). By spending more time on the field they also drew penalties. I believe only two of the three robots on our alliance could reliably climb ramps, and one of the two (772) was the only robot on the alliance who could deploy two ramps, so we couldn't ever get more than 30 points.

I suppose this is all easier said than done, but you can't just lay it all on luck. You could say the same about any alliance who suffers an upset, but there's always a reason it happens.

The QF 3-3 (between the 2nd & 7th alliances) was decided by a 10 pt penalty when 316's lifts broke the plane of the home zone when they were realigning after being pushed around. That was a close and hard fought match, and congrats to alliance 7 for figuring out a winning strategy with 3 ramp bots.

This game is all about strategy. At FLR, it was the undefended ramp that won in elims. The 2 most consistent double ramps/lifters (316 in qf, 1518 in f) saw defense and lost to a single ramp. Moral of the story, always have one partner playing defense on your opponents ramp in the elims (unless you have a insurmountable tube lead with a minute left). I think ramp defense is often neglected since penalties are enforced in the last 15 sec in the home zone. However, those penalties don't apply if you can keep those bots out of the home zone and very few alliances can consisently ramp in under 15 sec.

[kevin.li.rit]

I disagree with the second seed statement. I think 316, 1126, and 73 was a great alliance that should have gone much farther than they did. I think that alliance was very well selected, just got unlucky in the eliminations. I thoroughly expected that alliance to make it to the finals.

I think that 1405 772 and 1728 Just played better.

[kevin.li.rit]

The 2nd allliance was indeed very well-rounded. I don't think they just got unlucky though. All they had to do to beat us was get on 316's platforms earlier (or at least be ready to be lifted in the last 15 seconds). By spending more time on the field they also drew penalties. I believe only two of the three robots on our alliance could reliably climb ramps, and one of the two (772) was the only robot on the alliance who could deploy two ramps, so we couldn't ever get more than 30 points.

I suppose this is all easier said than done, but you can't just lay it all on luck. You could say the same about any alliance who suffers an upset, but there's always a reason it happens.

Yeah too bad only one of our bots could climb.

[CrosbyAR]

The moral of this story: pick teams based on their abilities, not on their ranking.

And i would add make plan that best suits them.

[KDawg]

596 isn't at FLR.

i was gonna say..didn't see them there..? ha

[kevin.li.rit]

i was gonna say..didn't see them there..? ha

Didn't you see the guy with the I'm with Nerd T-Shirt Walking around?