Official 2006 Championship Divisions

[Tom Bottiglieri]

It's that time you've all been waiting for...

http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=CMP

And just in case the lack of sorting by division annoys you..

http://www.team195.com/files/2006divs.xls <- Excel File

http://www.team195.com/files/2006divs.htm <- Web Viewable


:) 2 more weeks people.. 2 more weeks!

(Now stop reading this and go start your scouting!)

[Rick TYler]

254, 968 and 753 are all in the same division. There's one finals alliance. :]

[Tom Bottiglieri]

254, 968 and 753 are all in the same division. There's one finals alliance. :]
Not to mention 25, 66, 71, 111, 176, 229, 1503, and others...

[anna~marie]

woo thanks

[Tim Delles]

So what division does everything is the strongest now that they have been released.

I'm leaning toward Newton, but just take a look at the others.

[Joel J]

1. Newton (OMG!)
2. Galileo (494+[1625/1126])
3. Curie (1114+469!!?!?)
4. Archimedes (217+233)

[Rabbit222]

Sweet I can't wait! See ya Curie in 2 weeks.

(100th post)

[Travis Hoffman]

Anyone notice that FIRST did not follow the ABCD pattern all the way through? They did up to Team 93, then things get a little crazy.

[Joel J]

Anyone notice that FIRST did not follow the ABCD pattern all the way through? They did up to Team 93, then things get a little crazy.
It made sense, after looking at it.. wherever there was a gap, there was a pending team whose number fit right into place.

[Travis Hoffman]

It made sense, after looking at it.. wherever there was a gap, there was a pending team whose number fit right into place.

Gotcha. Columns shift down accordingly when they are inserted.

[CourtneyB]

YAY go Newton. I love you guys :yikes: :rolleyes:

-Court-

[geeknerd99]

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but remember how last year everyone predicted Archimedes to be the powerhouse?

Anyways, it looks like 401 is on Archimedes again...

[Joel J]

It was.. but in the quieter divisions, better alliances were able to be formed. If you have a powerful alliance going up against a powerful alliance, then its action, action, action, and anything can happen. But if a powerful alliance forms in one of the weaker divisions, then they may enjoy an easier ride to the Grand Elimination Rounds.

Archimedes looks like the weakest division, but you could have a 217+233 alliance. And you also have the 1114+469 possibility in Curie.

Newton being the supposed powerhouse, at this point, means it will be action packed throughout. But of all the possible high caliber alliances, only one can make it out.

I guess I agree with you, heh.

[vic burg]

1. Newton (OMG!)
2. Galileo (494+[1625/1126])
3. Curie (1114+469!!?!?)
4. Archimedes (217+233)

108 is in Curie again.... hrm.... anyways--

To add to Archimedes-179, 1279, and 1595
To add to Curie-22, 710, and 180
To add to Galileo-1, 190, 1700, and 399.
And Newton-900


At least, this in my opinion, to which teams are the greater ones that I know about. :)
This year is gonig to be insane! Anyone concur?

[Barry Bonzack]

GALI --- LEO

I jumped up and yelled when I saw both my teams in the same division. Less running for me in the pits. Thank you, Great Homie in the Sky!

[Joel J]

108 is in Curie again.... hrm.... anyways--

To add to Archimedes-179, 1279, and 1595
To add to Curie-22, 710, and 180
To add to Galileo-1, 190, 1700, and 399.
And Newton-900


At least, this in my opinion, to which teams are the greater ones that I know about. :)
This year is gonig to be insane! Anyone concur?
Yea, there are alot of good teams in these divisions. Those alliances are just my own personal picks as the most dangerous. Like, I'm still thinking about the 1114+469 doomsday.. I mean, that alliance has national champion written all over it.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Yea, there are alot of good teams in these divisions. Those alliances are just my own personal picks as the most dangerous. Like, I'm still thinking about the 1114+469 doomsday: that's a national champion alliance right there.
I'm a little more scared of the 25 + (111,254,968,1503) doomsday. ;)

[Joel J]

I'm a little more scared of the 25 + (111,254,968,1503) doomsday. ;)
yea, they'll be there too.

Galileo vs. Newton in the finals. IMO.

[J Flex 188]

469 1114. That alliance scares me beyond belief and it could quite easily happen with that kind of depth. 610 and 772 are also thrown in there.

The fields look a bit more balanced compared to what I remember from Archi in '04 but theres a lot of chance for Newton to take it. Someone has to pick between Beatty and Stang after all. Watch for 1006 doing well there as well.

With that being said, the more I look at Curie, the more I like it as a division, of course owing to the fact that I've seen robots there, but that there are a healthy mix of teams that have stepped their game in this season and in recent events. 1511, 1680

296 and 1241 will both be doing well in their divisions. To those who haven't seen 296 yet, they have their best robot by far in and they will be a good fit as a dependable turreting shooter. 1241 does everything quite well once again.

Ooh, also edit. Hyper 69 going to Nationals again!

Just a bunch of random thoughts cobbled to get here, but this is going to be one heck of a Championship. Curie vs. Newton finals?

[Joe J.]

Archimedes for 862 again, seems like it will be a good division, Chief, Killer Bees, Element, Beach Bots, X-Cats, and Gale Force.

[JJG13]

Now that we have the final division list from FIRST and the data gleaned from the Offensive Rating thread, I can update the division offensive rating lists.

The four attached text files contain the offensive ratings for all the teams in each division sorted by team number and by rating.

For all those people saying that Newton is toughest division, the divisions in order from highest average offensive rating to lowest is Curie, Galileo, then Newton, then Archimedes. Newton is the strongest division based on my own personal (and purely arbitrary) rubric because it has the most (5) teams with a rating over 40.

Check it out:

[Wayne C.]

I'm a little more scared of the 25 + (111,254,968,1503) doomsday. ;)

add 987 to that list- proven power

[Jaine Perotti]

GALI --- LEO

I jumped up and yelled when I saw both my teams in the same division. Less running for me in the pits. Thank you, Great Homie in the Sky!Yes! This was one of the first things I noticed. Both of Barry's teams are in the same division. Better yet, they are both in MY division!

I am very excited for this year's championships. Team 716 will be in the Galileo division for the first time. Finally, we will get to participate in the GALI-LEO chant!

Some of the top teams in Galileo which I noticed were:

16
27
74
86 - I think I have heard that they are strong shooters
118
135
173
177 - after they beat us a SECOND time in Philadelphia, we told them that we would pick them in Atlanta even if they were broken!
231
237 - our awesome alliance partners in Hartford
291
341 - great shooters at Philly
365 - our amazing partners in Philadelphia. Simply incredible.
399
494 - always have a strong robot
830
852
1038
1276
1625
1784 - a very promising rookie team

These are just a few which I have noticed through some preliminary scouting. You bet that we will be watching these great teams on Galileo. Good luck everyone! It's going to be a very exciting event.

-- Jaine

[Cody Carey]

We are in the same division as our alliance partners in philly... that is very

unlikely.

[David55]

WOW

I can't believe we are going to play with and against teams like 25, 111 and 254.
Another good robot to add to the Newton list is 1657. They won the Israeli regional with 16 straight wins and no loses. They can score up to 7-8 balls in autonomous, and they are very good.

Oh...and this is my 100th post. :D

[Greg Marra]

We are in the same division as our alliance partners in philly... that is very unlikely.

I noticed that too. Galileo is like Philly MkII. I'm going to miss some, but there's at least: 306, 291, 177, 365, 173, 1719, 716. That's a lot of teams it seems to me.

[Cody Carey]

Is the selection totally random?

[Jherbie53]

I am personally not going to Nationals, but from the looks of it team 85 is going to have some fun. :D Newton looks awesome! The other divisions are just as good, so just don't forget that. :D I will also be looking for team 1272 in any matches I see.

[randomness2289]

Now that we have the final division list from FIRST and the data gleaned from the Offensive Rating thread, I can update the division offensive rating lists.

The four attached text files contain the offensive ratings for all the teams in each division sorted by team number and by rating.

For all those people saying that Newton is toughest division, the divisions in order from highest average offensive rating to lowest is Curie, Galileo, then Newton, then Archimedes. Newton is the strongest division based on my own personal (and purely arbitrary) rubric because it has the most (5) teams with a rating over 40.

Check it out:


hey you said team 22 didnt attend a regional and we attended southern california but we didnt do that well at all....but we did go i just wanted to let you know ....and i looked at team 38 and they attended utc

[OZ_341]

I noticed that too. Galileo is like Philly MkII. I'm going to miss some, but there's at least: 306, 291, 177, 365, 173, 1719, 716. That's a lot of teams it seems to me.

Don't forget team 341.
Remember our high score match of 121 points?
Lets do that again!!

[Barry Bonzack]

Yes! This was one of the first things I noticed. Both of Barry's teams are in the same division. Better yet, they are both in MY division!

Some of the top teams in Galileo which I noticed were:

16
27
74
86 - I think I have heard that they are strong shooters
118
135
173
177 - after they beat us a SECOND time in Philadelphia, we told them that we would pick them in Atlanta even if they were broken!
231
237 - our awesome alliance partners in Hartford
291
341 - great shooters at Philly
365 - our amazing partners in Philadelphia. Simply incredible.
399
494 - always have a strong robot
830
852
1038
1276
1625
1784 - a very promising rookie team

-- Jaine

Yeah, 86 is incredible at rapidfire and picks up multiple balls extremely quickly.


Just by record alone I wouldn't count out 45, 67, 190, or 1403 either. geeeeeeeeeze.

[Andy Grady]

Does anyone else look at that Newton division and shudder at the thought of 25 and 111 teaming up? The good side to that is that there are a load of teams in that division that would actually have a shot at de-railing that runaway train.

And of course, I may be showing New England Favoritism, but how about that New England Division called Gallileo. Envisioning the crazy New England offensive/defensive powerhouse that would be 177, 237, and 1276...orrr you could plug in just about any other one of the new england teams there with the Bobcats and Tribe. Could this be the year of the NERD?

[Kristian Calhoun]

Does anyone else look at that Newton division and shudder at the thought of 25 and 111 teaming up? ... Could this be the year of the NERD?
Or we can wait and see how the MAVERICKS fare this year at Championships... :rolleyes:

[Joe J.]

Because I was board and curious here is a break down of the Archimedes Division teams by state or Province:

By State/Province:
MI: 14
CA: 9
NY: 9
NJ: 8
FL: 6
PA: 5
MD: 5
TX: 3
AZ: 2
MA: 2
IN: 2
VA: 2
GA: 2
WI: 2
NH: 1
CO: 1
SC: 1
AL: 1
CT: 1
RI: 1
WA: 1
MO: 1
IL: 1
MN: 1
QC: 1
RS: 1

I might do the other three later tonight.

[Josh Hambright]

Well i am definately excited about being part of the mighty Newton devision. Just looking at all the powerhouse teams, my old team, our aliance partner from Boilermaker regional.... The list of reasons why i'm excited about being in newton could go on and on... But they all look like they are great divisions. Guesse we will all just have to wait and see what happens in ATL.

Good luck to everyone and I'll see you all soon.

[Arefin Bari]

I see Newton on fire. Looks like this is going to be a great championship. Good luck to all the teams.

[Jon Jack]

Newton looks scary! :ahh:

I wonder what 254 and 968 would look like together in a qualifying match... :eek:

[John Gutmann]

So anyone see the finals at GTR? It looks like newton will end up being the same way. INTENSE matches all day long. This will definitely be a good show this year at championships. Also, it will be interesting to see what ones / how many of the triplets get to Einstein.

[jgannon]

Does anybody know why 383 doesn't have a division? They're on the list, but their division box is empty.

[Joe J.]

The list I printed earlier shows them in Archimedes.

Their box says Archimedes, on the FIRST site now.

[jgannon]

Their box says Archimedes, on the FIRST site now.
Wow, that was totally not there about 15 minutes ago. Thanks! (And yay for Archimedes!)

[Dan Petrovic]

People seem to be missing the fact that both 1114 and 1680 are in Curie.

[Kristian Calhoun]

People seem to be missing the fact that both 1114 and 1680 are in Curie.
ah, but 1503 is in newton.

[Dan Petrovic]

ah, but 1503 is in newton.

Yeah, but a bunch of people are saying "Oh! 1114 and 469!"

What about 1114 and 1680?

[natis]

is it possible for these divisions to be changed?

[Cory]

is it possible for these divisions to be changed?

Nope.

[Jonathan Norris]

Yeah, but a bunch of people are saying "Oh! 1114 and 469!"

What about 1114 and 1680?

Seeing the triplets in action, I am not as worried of a 1114 and 1680 alliance. 1114 and 1503 have won 3 regionals together, They truly know how to work together as a team. Where 1680 has been playing against them the whole time.

I am liking the strong Canadian content in CURIE: 610, 772, 865, 1114, 1305, 1680! That is defiantly an elite group of Canadian teams! There are a lot of teams there who know each others robots very well.

I wonder if the 'C' in Curie will stand for Canada this year :D!

[Tim Delles]

Yeah, but a bunch of people are saying "Oh! 1114 and 469!"

What about 1114 and 1680?

1114 will prolly not team up with 1680, unless 1680 gets a lot better (They are pretty good don't get me wrong), just in a lot of people's opinion 469 would make an overall better partner for 1114.

But just thinking about 1114 and 469. That would be a crushing alliance.

[Nawaid Ladak]

if you guys say 1680 isn't as good as it seems, wouldn't you think there could be the scary allince of shall i say

1114+469+1680, SCARY

[Jonathan Norris]

if you guys say 1680 isn't as good as it seems, wouldn't you think there could be the scary allince of shall i say

1114+469+1680, SCARY

Have you seen 1305, amazing defensive bot which would fit very nicely, also 865 did a very good job on defense for 1114 in GTR!

[Unglued]

Yes, 1305 is great at defense, they probably have more than 10 defensive autonomous modes. They're fast, I don't remember if we were ever pushing against them in the finals or GTR, but it would be interesting to watch.

I'm looking forward to seeing many Canadians at Curie, and many more American teams I never witnessed before, but have only heard about.

team 865, Brap brap!

[Karthik]

1114 will prolly not team up with 1680, unless 1680 gets a lot better (They are pretty good don't get me wrong), just in a lot of people's opinion 469 would make an overall better partner for 1114.

But just thinking about 1114 and 469. That would be a crushing alliance.

Who says 1114 will be picking first, or at all?

It's fun to post speculation in these threads, but we all need to slow down for a moment. There are no foregone conclusions in FIRST, especially at the Championship. With only 7 or 8 qualifying matches in divisions of 85, and 3 v 3 game, a lot of weird things will happen. I mean, how many people thought the 4 #1 seeds in 2005 would be 910, 1089, 245 and 337?

Team 1114 plans on working our hardest to earn that number one seed, but we're not assuming anything. If we don't grab that spot, we're hoping that someone above us will notice our robot and be gracious enough to extend us an offer.

Atlanta has been a weird place these past two years. I expect nothing else in 2006.

[Kim Masi]

Don't forget team 341.
Remember our high score match of 121 points?
Lets do that again!!

'twas amazing. cant wait to see you guys there! you had an awesome robot in Philly.

[Joe J.]

Here are the Galileo, Curie, and Newton Division breakdowns by State/ Province:
Archimedes Division breakdown can be found here (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=487873&postcount=34)

Galileo

CA: 12
MI: 11
FL: 8
CT: 7
NY: 4
PA: 4
IN: 3
TX: 3
WI: 3
VA: 3
NJ: 3
ON: 3
MA: 2
KS: 2
OH: 2
AR: 1
MA: 1
DE: 1
MS: 1
TN: 1
NV: 1
CO: 1
MO: 1
ME: 1
SC: 1
AB: 1
IL: 1
MD: 1
NM: 1
NH: 1

Curie

MI: 9
CA: 8
NJ: 8
FL: 7
VA: 6
ON: 6
OH: 4
NY: 4
CT: 3
AZ: 3
IL: 2
MA: 2
TX: 2
PA: 2
IN: 2
IA: 2
RI: 1
NH: 1
WV: 1
NC: 1
WA: 1
MD: 1
UT: 1
GA: 1
MS: 1
SC: 1
Northern Israel: 1
Central Israel: 1

Newton

MI: 14
NJ: 7
NY: 6
IN: 5
CT: 5
CA: 5
VA: 4
ON: 4
NH: 3
GA: 3
WI: 2
MA: 2
WA: 2
CO: 2
OR: 2
SC: 2
IL: 1
ME: 1
FL: 1
PA: 1
HI: 1
OH: 1
OK: 1
NC: 1
D.C.: 1
NV: 1
RI: 1
MD: 1
KS: 1
ID: 1
Central Israel: 1
Northern Israel: 1

[Freddy Schurr]

Can some make a breakdown of all the teams for each division, just numbers, nothing else? I don't have excel.

Also, who do you think are the best teams for each division?

Like Karthik has posted early, its alright to post speculation on the final alliances or whatever. However, take in consideration that each team gets 7 matches to prove what their robot can do and ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. 85 Teams for each division proves that basically it determines what happens in the match for you. EVERYONE HAS A SHOT!

[JackN]

Galileo Has 25 regional winning teams with 177 being the only two regional winner

Curie has 17 regional winning teams with 395 having two and 1114 having three.

Archimedes has 18 regional winners with no two time winners.

Newton has 22 regional winners with 25 254 and 111 all having two regional wins and 1503 having three regional wins.

My rank for the divisions goes as follows
Galileo
Newton
Curie
Archimedes

It will be fun to play on Galileo with all these great teams. Hopefully both Martian teams will Invade Einstein.

[Joel J]

so galileo has 26 gold, curie has 20, achimedes has 18, and newton has 27 gold?

newton
galileo
curie
archimedes

[Chris Marra]

Can some make a breakdown of all the teams for each division, just numbers, nothing else? I don't have excel.
Tom posted one in html (http://www.team195.com/files/2006divs.htm).

[Rick TYler]

The average team number for those participating at Atlanta is 828.8482143. Curie is the "oldest" division with at team number average of 820.5365854. Newton is the baby with an average team number of 837.9411765. The median team number is 730. The median team at the Championships is in its sixth season of competition.

[Kevin Kolodziej]

W00T! Both my teams in Archimedes. Hopefully right next to each other as well (that would be too convenient...wouldn't it!)...but we'll see if they layout the pits the same way they did at the regionals.

I'm excited. I see lots of possibilities everywhere. I think we are all winners already beacuse we are going to get one heck of a show no matter who's on Einstein!

Kev

[Joel J]

Something is bugging me now..

Does 254/968 have an autonomous mode that scores in the center (3pt.) goal?

Have they ever used it (successfully)?

[nuggetsyl]

Cant wait until we start play again. My biggest fear is having to go againts to great teams at one time with robots that can bearly run. All part of the game. Here is a question? How many teams in each division will go without a loss. I think this year if you see 4 per that will be alot. In past years if you were not undefeated you had no chance at top 8.

shaun

[Cory]

Something is bugging me now..

Does 254/968 have an autonomous mode that scores in the center (3pt.) goal?

Have they ever used it (successfully)?

No

[Joel J]

Are you planning on having one?

[J Flex 188]

Untrue, last year and in 2004, there were numerous teams that finished at 6-1 and in the Top 8 in their divisions. What is going to be intresting is how the Serpentine's going to affect it this time. Most of the time the Top 8 finishes something liek 7-0, 7-0, 6-1 x 6 and it comes down to QP. Even more important now with such depth!

Cant wait until we start play again. My biggest fear is having to go againts to great teams at one time with robots that can bearly run. All part of the game. Here is a question? How many teams in each division will go without a loss. I think this year if you see 4 per that will be alot. In past years if you were not undefeated you had no chance at top 8.

shaun

[OneAngryDaisy]

I'm amazed that everyone has just (overlooked?) 1126 in Galileo- I was working at the Finger Lakes regional (the only one they attended) and these guys were unstoppable- a turret on the top back end of their robot, unblockable, a floor helix loader- shame they could only attend one regional... they could've probably brought gold home at any regional they attended..

[Bill Gold]

Are you planning on having one?
What's an autonomous mode?

[Alex Cormier]

I'm amazed that everyone has just (overlooked?) 1126 in Galileo- I was working at the Finger Lakes regional (the only one they attended) and these guys were unstoppable- a turret on the top back end of their robot, unblockable, a floor helix loader- shame they could only attend one regional... they could've probably brought gold home at any regional they attended..
exactly what i was thinking. I see they will be a contender on Einstein or at least finalists for their division.

[The Lucas]

I'm amazed that everyone has just (overlooked?) 1126 in Galileo-
I noticed this as people were naming names in Galileo on this thread. They were the second team I noted when discussing Galileo with my team (494 was first one to jump out at me).

They have a good "flying under the radar" situation, unless the CD hype picks up. They dominated a small, relatively-new, Week 2 regional (FLR) and didn't attend any other Regionals. They have no Robot Showcase (that I've seen), although lots of great pictures are available on their site. They were only mentioned twice in the Pure Shooters Hall of Fame.

It doesn't help to walk into the pits Thursday with a target on your back (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=486798&postcount=87), although sometimes it is unavoidable. It is better to earn that target on Friday by posting a high score :D

[Koko Ed]

I noticed this as people were naming names in Galileo on this thread. They were the second team I noted when discussing Galileo with my team (494 was first one to jump out at me).

They have a good "flying under the radar" situation, unless the CD hype picks up. They dominated a small, relatively-new, Week 2 regional (FLR) and didn't attend any other Regionals. They have no Robot Showcase (that I've seen), although lots of great pictures are available on their site. They were only mentioned twice in the Pure Shooters Hall of Fame.

It doesn't help to walk into the pits Thursday with a target on your back (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=486798&postcount=87), although sometimes it is unavoidable. It is better to earn that target on Friday by posting a high score :D
1126 is very secretive about their robots (ala team 71) and it worked out as no one really had any answr for them and when they hooked up wit 229 they became a very tough combination to deal with. Ellery uploaded a bunch of FLR matches here. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2770769608280849239&q=%22x-cats%22&pl=true). It'll give you guys a good idea of what you are in for.

[jagman2882]

1126 is very secretive about their robots


SHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! :ahh: stop talking about us!!!!

im just kidding!!!!! :D

[pyroslev]

Who says 1114 will be picking first, or at all?
Atlanta has been a weird place these past two years. I expect nothing else in 2006.

I remember last year, mere moments after the list were out, people said the winner would come from one division with a slim chance from another. Turns out that another divisions winners overwhelmed the favored and won.

343&1610 are in Archimedes (2/3 from VCU winning alliance) A few other teams in there are just as powerful or better, making it anyone's game.

Atlanta has a wierd irony about her.

[nuggetsyl]

wait i do not see 103 on the list i hope that this is a mistake

shaun

[The Lucas]

wait i do not see 103 on the list i hope that this is a mistake

shaun
103 is still pending but it looks like they will go. It seems like FIRST left a spot in Archimedes for them (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=487765&postcount=248)

[CatchRothy22]

Archimedes is the most competitive division i've ever seen at nationals. Should be ridiculous.

[Phalanx]

Just some for for thought here. Having us (1089) be undefeated during qualifing rounds in Galieo was completely and totally unexpected for us.

To quote an old adage "Any Given Sunday".

Anything can happen, anyone can beat anyone on any given day. You can predict all you like, but you just never know.

[Kellen Hill]

I think there are a lot of great robots in Newton, but the alliance that comes out of Newton should be pretty even to the alliances that come out of the rest of the pools. Every pool has several great robots but Newton just came out with a few more than everybody else.

[ahecht]

And just in case the lack of sorting by division annoys you..

You can sort by division on the FIRST site by clicking on the Division heading (or going to http://www.usfirst.org/frc/map/index.lasso?page=event_teamlist&event=CMP&year=2006&area=&sort=division)

[pyroslev]

Anything can happen, anyone can beat anyone on any given day. You can predict all you like, but you just never know.
I could not agree more. I was one of the score keepers at VCU and we sat down with the bracket and picked which two alliances would win and be in the finals, but I don't think anyone predicted the winning alliance.

...but the alliance that comes out of Newton should be pretty even to the alliances that come out of the rest of the pools.

We were talking about the fact that all the "Big Boys" (not my term) were in one division. Someone pointed out that they could knock each other around to the point that the other divisions would catch them off guard to some extent.

Possible but not so much that the Newton boys come to the field rebuilding.

[vic burg]

If I am to assume correctly, and the way it is counted is by every 4 goes into a division, there are a few flaws in it..... also in saying that Curie is 3 teams short, and Archimedes one team short, of Newton and Galileo.... i didnt read every post to see if this was already pointed out but, it doesnt seem fair or right. maybe wrong count? or it's because of pending teams, right? im slightly confused here. or was it like that last year?

[VEN]

seems like 1281 is gonna need to try extra hard...

[Damian Manda]

I marked all of the regional winners, finalists and chairman's winners in the attached spreadsheet. The totals (at the bottom of the spreadsheet) are shown below. I may have missed some or marked incorrectly, please correct any mistakes.


Division Winners Finalists Chairmans
Archimedes 19 11 11
Newton 28 7 10
Galileo 25 9 4
Curie 22 11 7


I'm not going to risk drawing any conclusions about winners. However, it was interesting to notice how few regional finalists do not attend nationals (38%), as opposed to the high number of winners (94%).

The file was to large to upload so it has been placed here: http://www.alpinerobotics.com/docs/divisions.xls

[Nuttyman54]

I'm not going to risk drawing any conclusions about winners. However, it was interesting to notice how few regional finalists do not attend nationals (38%), as opposed to the high number of winners (94%).

Well finalists are only able to register of they've either preregistered or won an award that qualifies them.

Also, is it listed by number of regional WINS or regional WINNERS? I think regional wins would be more telling than the number of teams that have won 1 or more regionals.

[Damian Manda]

Also, is it listed by number of regional WINS or regional WINNERS?

Regional wins - i.e. if a team has 2 regional wins this counts as two points in the chart. However, this disregards the fact that some teams in an alliance are more effective than others, as all members carry the same weight.

[SoftwareBug2.0]

Regional wins - i.e. if a team has 2 regional wins this counts as two points in the chart. However, this disregards the fact that some teams in an alliance are more effective than others, as all members carry the same weight.
Here's my way of counting how tough the divisions are:

Number of event wins or finalist finishes as alliance captain:

Wins:
G: 7
N: 12
A: 2
C: 11

Finalist:
G: 3
N: 5
A: 5
C: 3

[mtaman02]

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but remember how last year everyone predicted Archimedes to be the powerhouse?

I see 217, 233, 522, 179, 191, 330, 375, 343, 1250 (wow 2 SI NY teams in the same division, I sense a war being put together) and maybe a couple of isreali teams - and thats just one division =)

[JamesBrown]

There is no doubt that any Division could beat any other in the finals. Every Division has enough high scoring shooters and decent defensive robots to put together a number of highly competitive alliances. It would be incorrect to assume that the division with more top tier teams will walk over the other teams. Only 3 robots make it to Einstein from each division, these three robots will have a gameplan that is effective and also have the fire power to score plenty of points. To assume that the Highest scoring teams will be in posisitions to pick would be a mistake as said earlier any one could seed high (It is even easier for a team to get some easy wins if they are in a division with teams that are better than them) While Newton may very well pump out some high scoring matches that will be tons of fun to watch once it gets to Einstein you will have some extremely effective bots with strategies coming from the best scouts, it will be any ones game.

[Nawaid Ladak]

i thought nationals holds 340 teams this year

but yet it says 337 regestered and 4 pending,

337+4=341

looks like these divisions can still change.

[Corey Balint]

i thought nationals holds 340 teams this year

but yet it says 337 regestered and 4 pending,

337+4=341

looks like these divisions can still change.
They already took this into account. The remaining pending teams already have spots in a division, as one division is missing 3 teams, and another just one.

[Greg Ross]

If I am to assume correctly, and the way it is counted is by every 4 goes into a division, there are a few flaws in it..... also in saying that Curie is 3 teams short, and Archimedes one team short, of Newton and Galileo.... i didnt read every post to see if this was already pointed out but, it doesnt seem fair or right. maybe wrong count? or it's because of pending teams, right? im slightly confused here. or was it like that last year?
Yes. It was explained (sort of) in other posts. The pending teams have already been assigned to divisions. If you fill them in, it all works out, and the divisions all have the same number of teams.

[vic burg]

Yes. It was explained (sort of) in other posts. The pending teams have already been assigned to divisions. If you fill them in, it all works out, and the divisions all have the same number of teams.

Thank you. And Corey Balint (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/member.php?userid=7406) for the clarification. I wasn't really into who was in what division last year. :o Off topic here but, it is nice to know that not all the divisions are named after male scientists. :o (please no one get mad at me for saying that)

[Freddy Schurr]

Off topic here but, it is nice to know that not all the divisions are named after male scientists

Yeah! You probably should wish that you have not that said that!

[Joe_Widen]

My prediction is that the #3 seed in Newton wins it all!

[Joel J]

My prediction is that the #3 seed in Newton wins it all!
I had the same thought! I saw 22 great teams in Newton (own personal opinion), leaving the 3rd seed with a great 2nd pick, but not the second or first. And since there are so many good first round robots in the division, the first pick of the 1-3 seeds are going to be on about the same level, assuming they all pick "well."

[Cory]

:o Off topic here but, it is nice to know that not all the divisions are named after male scientists. :o (please no one get mad at me for saying that)

Marie Curie, anyone?

[rees2001]

So when do we break each of these divisions off into thier own threads?

[sebas2mil]

TechTigers in Curie this year

I just wanted to point out that last year we were in a division with a lot of strong teams and it ended in a lot of strong teams not qualifying so high in the rankings

just a personal prediction on to what might happen to newton this year because of all the really outstanding robots

maybe we can see some of the medium rank teams picking high ranking teams?????

sebas

[thatphotochick]

awesome 1038 in galileo. has a lot of good teams from both of our regionals and a possible collaboration with MOE this time? lol. can't wait!!!

[JackN]

I know that a lot of goofy things can happen and unknown teams rise to the top of the charts while strong teams are ranked lower, but this years game tends to put stronger teams at the top of the rankings.

It will be interesting to see on Galileo because at least one team that one a regional won't be picked. I predict five regional winners won't be picked. I know I'm not Car Nack but with 16, 27, and 173 all not winning regionals I'm sure them and another mystery team will be picked, knocking 4 more teams out of picking.

[vic burg]

So when do we break each of these divisions off into thier own threads?


I believe that they already have... I have seen Curie and Newton so far as very active so..... just search for 'em!

[akshar]

I believe that they already have... I have seen Curie and Newton so far as very active so..... just search for 'em!

all 4 have indivual threads, they can be found in the championship event forums

[Freddy Schurr]

In this competition, you never know what could happen! I mean you could be pair with one highly capable strong robot for each match and basically win and be in the top 16!

I am always rooting for an underdog to pull out and win.

Take for instance, Team 1708,Natural Selection from last year. Basically had a chassis and drive system and all they did was play defense. Out of 85 Teams, they were rank 28th.

Who knows what will happen!

[Joel J]

Based on a modified OPR list, these are the average OPRs of the robots in each division:

Newton - 13.673465116279
Galileo - 13.592719965116
Curie - 12.765133023256
Archimedes - 12.677355232558

According to this, Newton and Galileo are almost identical in "quality," with Newton being a bit better. You then see a gap, after which follows Curie and Archimedes. It seems to be inline with what most people think.